ooman: ^^Still doesnt mean your god is the true god.

agreed. But it seems the most plausble to the sceptc mind pick in a whole stack.

...

ooman: what if you have believed in the wrong god? your belief would then make no difference from disbelief. We are all atheists to gods we dont believe in.

it seems all wrld religions fall into a) apostate christianity b)true christianity c)non christianity
to the best of my knowledge no non christian religion makes the followg claims:
only way to God thru a certain person (only christianity does so)
.
Theyre all riddled with ambuity
and vagueness.

2. Tht gettg right with God isnt based on credits earned from Good deeds but based on trustg a person.

All others base gettg right with God on wat d adherents do. The adherents never know if theyve done enuff.
They hope theyve done well enuff.
With islam theyr rules like givg alms, prayg 3 times a day, fightg and killg to gain paradise etc

3. No other wrld religion tells you to love ur enemies i.e human enemies and forgve them no matter their offence even if they killed a persons mother and father . No other religion does because such bhviour is not human. It takes divine enablement fr somebody to live like ths.
So no other religion require this level of Love.
More like they'll encourage adherents to get even because gettg even is the natural way to assuaging hurt.
So based on this christianity is markedly incomparable.
With d bible in one hand its easy to dispatch apostate christianity.
Jw,catholocism,mormonism etc.

Is it a christian film? Sounds like a christian.

timothy001: @Kambo

They claim to be Man of God. Live Lavishly . Fixing relaxers on there hair. Going into dirty game politics, Still claiming to be man of GOD..
Selecting beautiful woman as wife then divorcing them as wish.

I think the man of GOD forget the bible says in Matthew 19:16-30,

VERSE 20: “All these I have kept,” the young man said, “What do I still lack?”

21 Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”

22 When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth.

23 Then Jesus said to his disciples, “I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24 Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”

Do you know about the RICHEST man in the WORLD ,He is not a Christian but he's giving 90% of his wealth to charity.
How about Oprah ..How about Warren buffet ..

Christianity Isn't a RACE btw you and your Fellow Pastor. Do you understand? Be an Example of Christ in all Aspect of your LIFE .
Go and read about them and learn .

i'm not endrsg practces of okotie etc just sayg his wealth and the wealth of som men of God,though immense by our standard mayb God rather thn theft as theyre accused of. And tht such wealth is not an impossibility fr God to bestow.
Besides, dnt b quick to exonerate bill gates and warren buffet. You may flay them seriously more thn okotie if u know their dirty secrets. I wont go into them here.
The picture of wat u read of d richest rich is often cosmetc. Dont b carried in by all tht there's more beneath the surface.

timothy001: @ kambo.

Most people point isn't how much a million dollar is worth either localy or internationaly.

But as a Christian...Luxury and Extravagant , Lavishness ( Things of the WORLD ) Meaning things the WORLD FANCY shouldn't be in a Christian Lifestyle. Shouldn't be part of our Life.Do you now understand?

The Source of his Income still comes from his Job..members contributed that Money?

Even if it's a Gift he should ave rejected it as it's luxury.

You're right by International standard $ 1m isn't really big.But in a country where the average people feed below 1$.It's really something.

i understand wht u sayg but i dnt thnk we cud reach agreemnt on ths issue.
A lot of the men of God in d lime light may b sufferg from poor self esteem. Y do i say so.
because, their ratg will drop among their fellow pastrs if they dont belong by owng the latest toy. You can bet God isnt behind such acquisitions even though it may be "scripturalized" - just find a scripture to back it up.
But outside of this if a christian is fervently pursuing God's business, the cravg for thngs begin to wane. Its automatc. Its like an athlete runng a race, he runs in light apparel. Or a mountain climber he doesnt climb with too much load.
The bible talks of the decietfulness of riches choking up d wrd of God. Ie money mindedness (how to get it,keep it,multiply it all the time) kills spiritual growth.
But on the other hand, while in God's will and mindg God's business and obsessg over wat God obsesses about - the salvation of mindkind, gettg his wrd out- there is no limit to the quality of life you can enjoy! The limit is your faith. There is nothg like too extravagant or too lavish or too rich at such levels. This is where we miss it. Actually, many christians cannot and will not enter these levels because they dnt qualify . If God gives them a glimpse of it ,they'll misbehave and derail. We see it all the time.
Pride,women and idolatry (wrshpg the good thngs of life) will take over but the converse of say the man of God who drives a 15 year old 504 isnt the biblical model of humility or right livg.
When you are fully pleasg God, He promises you Life morre abundantly. Health-the best, peace of mind -the best, car-make your pick.
Sometimes wen God is pleased, He grants extra ordinary gifts.
He was pleased with solomons answer and just like tht made solomon the richest man of his time.
He was pleased with job and gave him d most beautiful daughters in d land.
If a car can b too lavish (not like the doors and seats are encrusted in diamonds) wat about other thngs can they b excessive too. Live too long,be too healthy, be too peaceful,be too protected, b too beautiful(jobs daughtr) , b too intelligent. You cant even imagine it, it's only in money/material thngs this limits come in.

Wen d bible talks about the things of d wrld it is about a minset .

The enumeration is:
the lust of the eyes
the lust of the flesh
the pride of life.
The lust of d eyes drves d greediness . Enough is never enuff.
The lust of d flesh dictates the relaxation-orgies and sexual immorality is d favrite past time of sinner millionaire playboys
the pride of life from wat they hav and who they know caps it all up.
It doesnt apply to partcular physcal items. The aluminium in d private jet cud have been used to make cookg pots. Its just a thng. Thngs are not were d problem lies but the heart.

Divepen: After serving God for many years I do not see the gain in serving God































Then turning back into the world.
because I have a home and I have a good future...
I will die the earth wl remain But my remains migt not be found...yet i have heaven..
*singing*
If I ad known God was like this
I would have serevd im better than this

if i knew God was like this i would have not sin
If i knew That God will keep me and Make me a role model to the World i would have been holier than this before..
But e te sweetest name i know.
@ the name of Jesus atheist shall bow

Many christians pass/passed through these phases.
The difference is tht they held on and stayed strng. Today theyre encouraging others.
You cant make sense of God's plan many times until you are out of the tunnel then looking back you can nod and say with d wisdom of experience "i see i see ".
For example, joseph cud hv turned atheist in prison. If there was a God ddnt he pray to him. He did.
He was busy mindg his own busness wen a nympho house wife lied on him. He askd one of d prsoners to remember him wen he got out but tht 1 forgot.
He cud have logcally concluded "there is no God".
Christianity isnt easy - as some ppl try to make it seem. But at the end they proved God right. Mayb if u persisted and were patient u wudve had a different story to tell.

phayvoursky:


U KNOW NOTHING. BY THE TIME U GET TO KNW SOMTIN. THESE PASTORS MUST V WRECKED U BLACK N BLUE.

mister, as compelling as it seems to accuse them.Stay biblical if u want to get results in christianity.
Is the pastor the source of your wealth? No.
So how is he impoverishg you or the church members. How much do all these screamers even put in the offerg. How do they pay as tithe?
Most church folks dont tithe and their offerg is negligible yet theyre screamg fire down. Contrast ths with how much tax the governmnt takes from them to how much God takes - a sea of difference. Yet wen politicians loot (and politicians dnt loot in hundreds of millions of naira but billions) it doesnt make headlines.
A pastr loots (assumng he loots ) and see this.
A pastor was telling me of a request he made on the choir to buy forms for somethng. The forms cost how much? N50. Yet nobody bought.
How can God prosper financially this kind of ppl because God's principle for prosperity says give first and you shall recieve in the same measure you giv.
A christian who gives small will receive in bits. Do christians practce this consistently ? No.
To the choir example, they spend on other things far signifcant amounts yet not on God's wrk.
$1m is peanuts by any international weight u use to evaluate money. And God can giv far more than tht.
Far more but it's in accordance with his principles.
I'm not sayg it is God but i'm sayg it cud hav been God.

The poverty mentallity of the average poster here.
The combined cost of his two cars is less than $1m dollars.
This in a wrld where tobacco and porngraphy companies drug barrons cruize around in 3 figure million dollar jets and yatchs . No nigerian pastrs wealth makes international headlines.
Talkg of lootg the tithe and offerg and robbg ppl blind.
Its now impossible for God to prosper his ministers?
This is just a million dollars. Just a million.
And after 30 years..
Sure to a person in d country its a mind buggling sum but thts to ppl here.
Its nothg wen u place d amount on an international wrld scale.
If he stole it let God judge.
Wat wud happen if any pastor was wrth a $100m+ . He'd b lynched. A $1m collection and ppl want to kill themselves with envy.
Is too much for God to bless a man up to tht level?
The devil is givg his own ppl with more thn tht and theyr wrshppg him at d expense of their souls.

kmcutez:

I don't even know where to start from with this your reasoning, but may the god of okotie cure abi na heal your foolishness.

na today. You dnt know where to strt because you lack content. All you do is react senselessly and emotionally like the crowd.
God of okotie gave him an expensive car so thnks for d prayer. On ur part may God help u use ur head to think and to dscover d truth instead of prattling like a fool abt thngs you dont know.

ndiyeauwa:

Most of the major Christian revivals in History, where started by really poor men/women who thirsted for more of the Spirit of GOD. Even when they were rich or, inherited large fortunes from their families, they gave it ALL away to face the Higher Calling entrusted upon them by the Lord. *Matthew 10:5-10*. I have more respect and admiration for the CHRIST-LIKENESS of the Church cleaners than any modern-day "pastor". May GOD have Mercy on all of us!

they dedicated their lives to takg care of God's business. But for the revival to continue money was needed. They had to know how to believe God for money.
While some of them lived in poverty , their lifestyle of poverty is not the scripture. God ddnt say he honours lifestyles of men of God above his word.
It is Gods word and his dictates tht determine wat is permissible.
Many of those church fathers cud on d other hand have done Gods wrk and enjoyed d very best of life!
But they thought d best things were sin.
So they ignored them and the unbelievg wrld scooped them up for themselves.
Let me ask you.
Who did God create the silver and gold and diamonds for? Unbelievers who curse him to his face?
Wat difference does drivg a tokunbo car or d best car in d wrld mean- in d long run? Both get u to where ur going. So y not go for d better one?
Som ppl use iphones others n3000 nokia all make calls . But if sombody uses a high end stuff all of a suddenly Jesus preached poverty and havg all thngs in common . So who were d high stuffs created for!

litetias: People like you fail to understand Christianity. Jesus never accumulated wealth. He never owned anything and he always taught that you can't care about the things of this world and still be his disciple. Were his disciples wealthy and owners of property. No he took them away from their occupation and into his service. Jesus didn't have a horse for his movements but the pastors now have private jets. I am not saying pastors should be poor but you and I know their main goal nowadays is mansions, cars, jets, universities, political connections and so on and if you look at the situation of the country you'll realise that the people are farther from God than ever. Materialism has taken over and christians move from church to church to get jobs, marriage, promotion and so on.

Jesus never accumulated wealth because he was here on a short mission. He ddnt come to live but to die and solve the sin problem.
If u thnk he endorses poverty check out where he lives in heaven.
Its top down lavish. Pearls precious stones gold streets.
Its over the top.
If Jesus where to b on earth as a man , how dyu thnk he'll live? He'll b lavish. because He's vain? No.
because things will chase him.
Ppl will walk up to him and hand him million dollar cheques.
People will buy him the best car to preach d gospel in.
He and his crew will fly first class or private jet to preach the gospel in another country and all the while somebody wud b stealg from His treasury but the money wud keep comg.

Wat dyu think this things mean to God? He created them. He knows where they are.
God's heart is for man. Man is to Him wat money is to man.

Jesus used

There's no doubt some of the christian pastrs mayb shady but the bible is and never was anti wealth. Jesus is against covetousness puttg things over and above God. And for all u folks screechg , yes 120 is huge in nigerian currency but tht's under a $1M. This is in a wrld where people rent/buy yatchs for hundred times that.
Some jewlry go for a million plus.
Lastly, God regards this pastors as his employees and pays them commensurately.
Wats a million dollars to God?


One thng is certain Christianity is gettg unprecedented notice.
In the early days it was a shame to b a christian or pastor.
The church was booed and looked down on.
Now! Churches are boastg grand architecture, pastors well educated and spoken, livg large and lavish(whether them thief or not) - you cant deny it anymore "God is a RICH GOD".

AND for those of you who think there isnt a commensurate wealth in d church members think again.
It takes wealthy church members and partners to create a wealthy church.
Most church offerg cannot sustain this lifestyles cuz they go to maintaing overheads.

So some of the wealth of this people are supernatural. On the other hand many can b just d result of naked greed and looting.
Tht doesnt do away with d real.

rapture_ready: Crying is a simple human expression of pain/grief/sorrow.

Gen 6:5-6

5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6 And it repented the LORD that he
had made man on the earth, and it
grieved him at his heart.

Does God grieve too? Apparently yes.

As much as it will be a huge jump to speculate whether or not God has tear ducts, Jesus was God incarnated in the form of man. And man has tear ducts.

Jesus "weeping" was an expression of his human nature.

jesus experienced first hand wat it means to b human ant to b tempted and the vagaries of sin.
He was moved with compassion at d ravages of sin on his creatures e.g man wasnt created to die,b confused experience poverty etc.
Besides weepg aint a sign of weakness but of sympathy and empathy.

9jaSceptic: King James Bible
John 11:35 Jesus wept.
The above quote stated explicitly that Jesus cried this thread is opened not to dent anyone's belief or unbeliefs but to share knowledge, So I call on those that equate Jesus with God to come educate us on the possibilty of the Creator Crying , in my own opinion i find that unbecoming and disrespectful.

Implication of Jesus = God
1.There was a baby God
2.Baby God peed on his body deficated on it's body.
3.God was beaten,jeered at etc by his enemies , hanged on the cross.

I find these claims absurd when associated to the creator of the Universe, what do you think?

jesus was a human being , in a human body, so u do the math.
Put ur thinkg cap on.

God laughs , God sings. God gets dissapointed. God gets enraged.
Where dyu thnk ur emotions came from? Man is from God. Does god cry? Dont know. But Jesus weeps, the Holy spirit weeps. Dnt thnk Baba sheds a tear but i am sure he shakes his head at the daftness of man.

The active atheists here swing btween two main states of mind.
In one state they try to prove he isnt real and they believe in him .
This is the doubtful state.


In anoda state they attack the Bible insult Him and try to prove him evil usually with bible references to backup their attacks.


In a 3rd state they extend d attacks to christians: pastors ,prominent men of God etc.

The hateful state.


Most activities centre around 2 and 3 which underscores the obvious point any observer will make.
Atheists are trying to smother their belief in God.
If u ar angry with sombody and actually tryg to put the person or idea down then tht idea has created emotional attachments in you.
Only somethng percieved as real can do ths.
The kind of strong emotional reactions and the level of intensity
the christian God evokes in atheists
proves the atheists hate Him not doubt his existence going by their actions.

Tryg to show sombody tht the person they believe in is evil and immoral,assumg you convince them, doesnt make the so-called evil person unreal.

Continously postg insults against a person ,shows tht in your spare time ths person is on your mind,
this person is takg up your thought time, he pre occupies your thinkg!
Wats more he pre occupies so many atheists minds.
This is not the norm for a person who doubts the existence of somethg.
Sombody who truly doubts the existence of somthg doesnt accumulate strong emotions about it not to talk of always strvg to paint it black,scoff at it etc.
If somthg isnt believed to b real,
its importance in d thinkers mind is diminished and other thoughts of higher priority take its place. But if it pops up again its usually responded to in a trivial resigned manner. Not in a forceful energetc manner.

If you r nt a christian (born again ) . I dnt thnk prayer and all tht will wrk consistently,but God is merciful.so i cant say.

But if u are, set ur heart to overcome it. Pray fervently against it. Eventually you'll beginng to xperience some victory.
Also begin exercsg ur will power.
All d prayer and bible readg wont wrk if u dont exercse. Like u cant learn to ride a bike by readg a book so exercise ur will as you pray against it.

2buff:

I get the feeling you lack real world industry experience or you are still in school.
If you weren't, you wouldn't be disagreeing with what that gent was saying about "stop kidding yourself, use an IDE".

Experience will also help you understand that academia and industry are 2 absolutely different things.
Most lecturers know NOTHING about industry, and industry is what pays the bills. That a person is a lecturer does not make them a god on any subject. And it does not mean they know the first thing about architecting and developing robust software solutions. It only means that they can teach from the book and can make a few "hobby" programs. Hobby software doesn't quite cut it in the business world. It is not a product.

this is nothg but vague empty bluff. Bunkum talk.
Remember all the framewrks tht have come and gone. All the methodologies?
Wen the waterfall method was the dominant method people talked like you. Called it industry standards all watnot.
Now sombody has the mind to call ide usage the distinguisher btw a professional developer and a non professional dev.
Utter nonsense.
None of you proponents hav given any solid defence why ide connotes professionalism.
Some fanatc is ravg about a debugger he knows nothg about.
Lecturers advance industry. Industry ignores academia to its own peril . Eventually industry subscribes to academia 100 percent. Industry ignored garbage collection in the 60s only to implement as ground breakg technology in java in the 90s. 30+ years later. Who was behind actually- the lecturers or the industry.

Wat is an ide?
A composite program containg other programs mainly; a compiler, a debugger, and an editor. Thts all. Svn,mercurial,git support are whistles.
Some other goodies like intellisense,code completion basically labour savg devices.

Wat dyu need to craft software.
A compiler, an editor, a way to test and debug applications.
If you have the bascs you can develop.
The rest is a matter of preference.
One dev likes the tools in one place the other likes them separate.
Same functionality achieve same goals. Is the lack of havg them in one place the sign of amateurishness ? Wat kind of sck thinkg is this?
To buttress ur stands the talk changes to "real world", "industrial strenght" bla bla.
If you love your ide fine.
But dont try to claim tht real wrk cant b done other wise because thyre equally superb standalone tools . If ur grouse is the quick run button tht runs the app in or place or the code completion etc note tht productve people adapt and maximize their tools to get wrk done in time.
The rest of d debate for or against ide usage boils down to the benefits in terms of cost savgs.
Which boils dwn to how much difference it makes.
And this isnt as clear cut cuz the tool convenience vs the the costs ar weighed.
And each developer has his personal thresh hold.
You cant decide fr any1.

Jeffahead:

Step through every line of your code without you having to write a single line of extra out.print code
Inspect every local variable in the middle of a running program even ones that are not in the method that's running
Change the value of a local variable and then continue running from that point with the new value
Run through a method then go back to the beginning of the same method and step through it again

I could go on, but out.print and a debugger are two very different things.

this is the definition of a debugger- "a debugger or debugging tool is a program that is used to test or debug other programs"-wikipedia.
This is the conceptual definition. Wat u use in your ide is a model of d definitions . But in your confusion btw model and defintion you mistake wat you use as the definition.
Sorry bro , your ide usage ddnt increase your thnkg in this area. Your mind is the software.
Enuff philosophizg. This means any program tht fits this description IS A DEBUGGR.
Like javanian posited any tracer tht gives feedback on wat is happeng in code is a debugger.
Your assumption tht i dnt use a debugger is like i said narrow minded.
I'ved used tracg for debugg for years . And it has wrked for me.
Sophisticated tracg tht gives me the information i need to detect errors and home in on them. Again code to concept stop mistake tools for definitions.
If it does wat i need it delivers.
Proof tht it delivers is programs acting to expectation.

lordZOUGA:
Why do you prefer to use Notepad++ over say Netbeans or Eclipse?

nice question.but why is not usg an ide considered odd?
Tell me.
Cuz i dnt feel odd usg my tools.
I graduated from plain old windows notepad and programmg in it was hellish - hunting for line number of compiler error wen the editor has no line numberg facility!
But with notepad++ i dnt feel like i'm straing myself.
Convenience,ease,habit.
I've been with it since 2007.
Close to the machine light weight dev. Latest notepad++ is under 8mb. Eclipse and netbeans are gloriously large memory drinks.

Ides are prescriptve. E.g in notepad i type a class and package name unconsciously with netbeans eclipse i go thru this windws askg me if i want to make the class public main and all tht and i'm wonderg wat silliness is all tht.
Cus i cant stand seeing the netbeans progress bar load.
Cuz the drop dwn boxes and intellisense of eclipse netbeans are negligible to me.
Bracket completions , you dnt think abt tht when crankg out ur thots
cuz wen i'm coding i want the entire screen to b taken up with my source code, not one middle windw in a see of windows for source.
Cuz source editg is where d bulk of d wrk is and notepad++ does a far better job thn eclipse,netbeans,
notepad++ has a function list plugin for listg methods in a class so i can jump to it.and is extensible via plugins (though i dnt download them.)
Cuz i dnt check out or check in code a lot while wrkg makg the inbuilt svn clients redundant and i dnt use junit makig it redundant.
And i have source control clients available. Not an issue.
Cuz i dnt thnk i'm wrse off and feel very prodctve with my tools.
Cuz i write tools to make my dev life easier and more like wat i want instead of d other way round.

Bascally im comfortable and prdctve with it.
But i am nt against the ides.i hav them and hav been downloadg them since 2009 just not crazy over them.
In an active month i write thousnds of lines of code ( a few thousands) and my tools and culture hav held up.
I had plans on explorg them ides but codg a project always beckons or high disinterest turns me off. But the gui builder of netbeans is really compelling and eclipse is essential fr andriod dev outside tht ive not sold on them.
Bascally i dnt see wat the ide's giv me thts so awesomely different i have to switch.
Nada. I'm not alive to please nobody.
I lov the blinkg black screen.

@jeff
an ide= compiler,editor,debuggr
+ some bells and whistles all in one.

You meet anoda programmer who has:
compiler, debugger,editor in different boxes.

And you conclude tht the person without the tools in one box is unprofessional?
Javadctr says he's out of civilization.
Can you both make this statement on an international forum and retain any respect?
How dyu reasonably arrive at this conclusions?
Besides not being able to intelligently justify your statemnts.
You mistake wat a debugger is 4 the tool you see on ur ide not the concept it represents thn u preachg international standards to me.
Thnk b4 u remark. There may b international viewrs of this threads and such asinine remarks as produced by you and the other fellow isnt creatg a good impression of us.

First rchard dawkins and the poster wanted to prove tht the bible / God is evil then they combed the scriptures ardently until they found wat they where lookg for. Then AHA they now hav somthg to cast more smear on christianity.
Pathetc for its unobjectiveness.
First,by now all atheists on this forum wud agree tht their stand on the God issue is not derived from cold logcal reasoning.
On an even deeper level there is a difference btw provg God isnt Real - which is the pivot on what atheism/theism hangs on and proving GOD or God's people are imperfect/evil/etc.
Immorality in d bible?
If every page and character in d bible where immoral but the event narrated were true and God is real,then the reader has nothing other an ungarnished true account and a fact:God is real . It doesnt in any logical way automatically translate to God is not real.
If the poster is tryg to show atheists ar more moral, he shud also read d verses tht say their man made morality is not acceptable to God.
Poster you've made no point with this post.

Did dawkins and the poster read anythng encouragg in d bible?

Like jesus raisg the dead? U didnt one.
Or God deliverg a nation from years of captivity . Oops blinders on.
How about paul, shaking the snake tht bit him into the fire? Testimony of a miracle wrkg God.
Paul predctg the storm tht crashed the ship.
Paul prayg for the father of the governor of malta and him being healed - not in the bible you and dawkins read.
Oh. The sieve you both used was designed to catch any thng tht cud b used to smear.
So much for atheists objectvely concludg on d God issue.
An objectve assessment would b blind like the statue used to symbolise the law.
It wud dispassionately list the pros and cons. Then say which tips the scale.
How about the God who saved a family from famine and a widow from losing her sons to her late husband's creditors by a miracle?
I praise your objectivity but try harder . Mayb,Your big ball of mud will one day stck .

An atheist finally rationalises tht somethng draws him to christianity. Why? Y not islam?
He tries to rationalise.
Let me help you out.

Somthg draws the muslim to christianity. No matter how much he tries to ignore it. Christianity always pulls at them. In egypt, malaysia,iran etc the reactions ar the same. Somthg makes the muslim want to exterminate christianity. Y not other religions?

Somthg draws atheistc governments to christianity.
And the sight of believers merely singing hymns and prayg hushedly enrages the government.
They drown torture and kill in china,poland,ethiopia etc.

Wen d early church strted somthg drew the jews to attack "ppl of d way"- the attack got so intense ppl lost lives and property for threateng to topple the governmnt?no.
Christians fled to neighbourg nations.

Somethg drew the emperor of rome to christians. To help no?
To exterminate them. Christians were thrown into amphitheatres to battle wild beasts for d amusement of the pagan romans.
Help cud only b found if they renounced jesus? (sounds familiar?This is d boko haram remedy to?)

during the roman catholic era. The masses where forbidden from readg the bible. All enquiry were to b made from the priests. The catholic system became a powerful system for mind and religious control. Even today, catholics are discouraged and dont read the bible. Y? because if they do they'll discover the truth for themselves and be set free from centuries of slavery.
(sounds familiar?- china and many slavic countries in dictatorial grips outlawed d bible)

shortly after som1 discovered the truth,luther, the inquisition began.
Because ppl were realisg theyve lived under a lie for so long and they need to approach God thru a priest or any other man.
A gruesome blood bath began.
By d famed roman catholic church.
The escape route for the victim- renounce Jesus .Accept catholicsm.

Y this injunction to renounce Jesus by anti-christians?
Any rational explanation?

It's interestg to note tht
after the inquisition failed to stamp out protestantism, the dark ages came to an end.

Spiritual enlightenment brought economic and technological advancement!

Y? You may rationalise but if you understand the bible the answer is as clear as day.

Ephesians 6: we battle not against flesh and blood (human beings).
The devil was behind all this, he was behind the crucifixion of christ, the inquisitions,etc
all the opponents ar his pawns and on nl he's got the atheists.
Stop to think?
Y christianity really?
Sombody wants christianity blotted out.
Islamists, corrupt government offcials,dictatorial govnmnts, atheists,satanists,apostate christian sects.
If christianity isnt real. Y the furore and y has no obliteratory programme completely succeeded?

plaetton:

HHHmmm.
For a religious apologist you dissappoint me.
You are actually smart. lol

I agree 75% with everything you have said. ( The ubiquity of religion cannot, however, be ignored in the context of our many national ills)
God/evolution has endowed us with a brain and so we have an obligation to use it to build our world.

Therefore, man is the supreme master of his destiny, for good or for bad.

the bolded. God told adam to DOMINATE AND SUBDUE (to b the master). But since you dnt know the intent or plan of God, and you've seen d vagaries of religion (religion outside the bible. Dead routine) . You assume tht wat u see is bible endorsed. Before you begin your tirades understand the subject of your attack.

cold:
You've got to be kidding me. Hitler's principles of Aryan superiority were based on Christianity & the bible. Thus,your argument is invalid. Human conscience is enough restraining factor for any right thinking person. No god needed,no religion needed

"based on the bible " in what way?
Explain.
Tht hitler was a religious christian who found injunctions in the bible to do wat he did knowg it pleased God?
Like you'll find injunctions to pray without ceasing, avoid sexual immorality , bitterness etc.
Please be clear.

suneepet1: hello gurus in the house,i just got the book learn python the had way,and following the python setup instruction has not been successful. have downloaded python 2.7.msi and install to the C\python27 of my windows 7 system but the powershell and terminal has refused to recognize the python installation.can anyone give me a step by step instruction on how to get this done properly.

i think you need to add the bin directory in the installation directory : c/python27 to your system's Path variable. Then restart your system to register the change. (i'm assumg the there is a folder called 'bin' folder in the pthon folder).

Y didnt they consummate d union on d spot?

Thnk God 4 clothes.
Some bodies look ugly exposed. Can induce puking.

donstevewrites: Guys!!is there anytin wrong wit one knowing wat u know.6months is all I need.thnx @csharpjava and @koladata.

there's nothg wrng and nobody can stp u from knwg if u r determined. But it will take time to learn and longer to create professional level work.
A long time.
That's y you get suggestions to get professionals to implement ur idea for you, so you can quickly bring the product to market and hopefully,make money.
Tht's how enterprenuers think.
And as an accountnt/business professional tht kinda thinkg was expectd of u.

dsypha:


Its surprising how you would say this.

Isn't your being odd on this thread obvious enough?? everyone is either praising the op or advicing him. And you? what did you do? talking about how people do more web than desktop, how the op is more of a web person than mobile or desktop, how web is easier, how web is overhyped, how desktop geeks do it for fun. and I couldn't see how all this is related to this thread we are on
.

Just saying though. It is really none of my business. I might be helping someone. who knows?

i know where u comg from. It's like i came in as a wet blanket but if u read wat i said thts not so. Its more like a side talk many programmers who read the artcle wud say- though not publish it but i published it. C'mon face it. The money in freelance software is in web dev which ironically is less demandg thn enterprise/stand alone software dev.
I know some1 who's made millions and established himself from web dev(php,mysql,css,flash,html).
His first job was for N2m.
His job quotes are millions(though d market is diluted).
Development time is in weeks.(2-3) compare to standalone software tht counts in months.
I dnt see standalone software guys making it so. Mayb few.

You do the maths and see d trends.

javadoctor:

@kambo , I opened this thread page @wrk nd showed some of my developer colleagues@zenth,they simply shook their heads.all I can say after I smh is dat U still live under a rock, please come in civilization, 2014 is almost approaching.

this is funny."livg under a rock for not using an ide"?
Civilization = using an ide!

You and ur clique at ur wrkplace ar conformist and ur confdence comes frm not upsettg d status quo.
I opened google and made an ide related query and found proponents for and against IDE usage.
People who have 20 year+ experience in software dev and still use an editor . Wat wud your colleagues say to them (ppl who'v been programming b4 some ur colleagues were born! Hav seen it all. Hav done it all).
I shake my head at the ignorance and bigotry i see here.
I shake my head fr u and ur ignorant colleagues. Wake , There's more thn one way to do it.

Besides:
to be objectve use a wider more diverse statistical sample.
And zenith(the bank?) is a developmnt shop?

You and the fellow who made the statemnt abt debuggg reason emotionally as developrs ths shudnt be.