kooldheart: Yes,I agree that court is a last resort,and from most indication,that's what it might be.but u know court cases don't come cheap and she might find it hard getting that kind of money as she is just a civil servant,and my dad controls all of the proceeds from the business.also am still aganist bringing people in to settle the matter,as most of these "elders"have the same,if not worst problems in their homes.imagine someone saying that my mom should do whatever my dad says because he is the man.this came from "an elder".would this be considered a real solution from an elder?

in marraiges financial weakness of d woman, whch is often the case gives the man all kind of power. And most men want/desire to keep things this way so tht they can control the woman.
One thing i know for sure, is drastc moves require drastic measures.
The people i want her to invite ar d more broad minded types who are sympathetic and respectful of women.
If ur father believes or reads the bible the passage about how husbands shud treat the wives shud b brought up to caution him.
But it sometimes reaches a stage where one party simply doesnt want to amend then you stop dialoguing and apply severe measures.
One is ur mothr irrefutably committed to renouncg catholicism?
If not, theres no point discussg further because a double minded person is unstable. But if her stand is final, then its clear.she will never adopt catholicism and her husband is tryg to force her.
If your dad is also not going to let her b then the solution is an unpleasant resolution.
Y i advocate outside parties are these.
She will announce her stand b4 them and her husband will announce his stand b4 them.
The next line of action is wat to do after wards. She can invite her pastors and your fathers catholics priest,its not a time to try to persuade each other to change religions etc but so tht her stand can b made public in a respectful manner.
Next, legal instruments like an injunction against violence and battery cud check ur father . Finally a separation and an injunction to allow her stay until she can conveniently leave her husband can b worked out.
Note tht your mum doesnt want a divorce or separation, she wud hav conveniently attend her church and your dad wudve been the catholic he is and thyd still continue lovg each other as husband and wife its very workable and the bible says how to handle such situations but because her husband is threateng her life are these safegaurds necessary.

POPE II: Wow this kambo is asking you to tell your mum how to beat or kill your dad may God help us all

ur a pope of foolishness. Here u go sensationalising and distortg facts.
I cud imagine d headline u cud conjure if u were a journalist.

kooldheart: Kambo,from your post I conclude that you're exposed to how its done in europe.you have to consider that this is africa,and we have a different way of doing things.I agree with most of your points and partially get what your trying to put through.they both have different bedrooms n all,buh ma guy to get "weapon of self defence"?she will just use it one day out of anger.

i understand ur fear but i'm just being practcal.
I mean a blunt weapon, something she keeps handy in her bedroom etc as a safegaurd against suprise flash attacks!
She shud also lock her room securely wen she's inside or asleep at night.
I dont mean gun or dagger but something for defence, like a club,that can knock him out cold wen gets irate or or ideally a stunner but she'll hav to import tht (and it maybe impossible or too much of a hassle for her)
A stunner would shock and immobilise him but not permanently hurt him.

kooldheart:
Kambo,is divorce the final answer?I mean if it ends in divorce,what does the woman get out of the marriage in terms of financial settlement.

first, if she makes it legal and goes to litigation (assumg she can afford it.), her husband wud hav more on his hands than he can cope with, your father isnt hoping things will escalate to that level,
a strong case against wife battery alone cud see him at risk of some significant amounts then a divorce proceeding cud see your mum with some compensation and rights ,like rights to visit or custody of some of her children.
Finally, she'll b emboldened in a way tht will command mor respect from her husband and make her respect herself more simply because she didnt take d cowards route - submit to her husbands threats to wrshp a false god, stomaching and therefore encouraging inhumane treatments.
First she shud make this issue public,bring in outsiders. Get a court injunction.
The court issue is a last resort.

POPE II:
Get lost heretic, see you asking a married woman to leave her marriage because of your business ventures .

marraige over God? I guess u'll advce for marraige because fools like u derve their self esteem from social appraisal.
Just shattap and suck ur rosaries in silence.

kooldheart: Call her pastor? Personally I don't think that will solve anything.I may even create more problems.

bros, theyre's no way to fester a problem than try to hide it and act like all is well. By the time the matter goes public it may b too late.
Already ur father is physcally abusg her and gettg bolder. At first it was anger and verbal threats now its outright bashg and u want to contain it? Ur mum wants to create d impression tht all is okay in her marraige? Wen she'll take a black eye about she'll lie out of love. Before thngs get out of hand let her check tht inconsiderate beast of a husband she married. (sorry i know his ur father but i gatta talk straight),
first her fear is tht she may lose her marraige.
Instead of cavg in to this fear she shud rather damn it.
It's God or ur marraige.
She'll never b happy cowing to fear and threats or wrshg those idols of catholicism.
Call in d police, get a court injunction, get a weapon for self defence, sleep separately and ask her pastor to intervene in prayers.
Ask neighbours to talk to the man.
Once this problem gets more public attention it will die faster.
If she wont do it you do it.

POPE II: see this mumu

see this fool who'd rather kiss a graven image.

How the tables turned!
But boko haram usually kills those who stick with Christ. So this leader was unusual.
This underscores the point, tht,
the typical church is full of hypocrites.

Tell ur mum to tell her unbendg husband to take his marraige and buzz off and she'll keep her God and peace of mind.
Its not by force to b married or bow 2 an idol.
She shud begin thinkg of packg out, shud sleep in a separate room (for her protection), and shud see a lawyer . Get an injunction against d physcal harrassment . Its not wen she's dead or maimed she'll begin thinkg straight.
You talk to her and strenghten her.

cynhamscakes: This is serious. Why did your mum quit going to Catholic church?
For peace to reign, she can combine the two
Attend Catholic on sundays and attend the penticostal church midweek fellowship.

I am a born Catholic and i love everything Catholic but am married to a non Catholic. He knows the only reason i attend his church is just for peace sake. I don't like the church one bit. I still say my Catholic prayers till date.

"i dont like his church one bit" = i dont like the truth one bit

"i still say my catholic prayers till date" = i still worship my (catholic) idols till date.

Idol wrshp is hard to break, even wen ppl are shown the truth they may still PREFER a lie.
If you're catholic, and accept the christian bible as true, you'd see scriptures contradctg common catholic practices BUT YOU MAY STILL LOVE d lie and pagantry. Then you are on your own. God cant even help you because He will never force you to accept His word.

@op
your mum shud stck to her guns .
Call in her pastor to intervene and engage in prayer for her husband and marraige instead of tryng to fight back physcally. It is going to b hard on her but she shudnt harbor resentment or hate her hussy. You do d same and dnt insult daddy o!
In time she may win her husband over.
I know how i'd feel if the woman i married made a shrine in my house and started offering food to the image and bowing down to it!
I guess this how ur dad feels.

This christianity sef: islam attackg on one side, catholicism bacstabbing on other side, tithe bickerers and perversions and scandals taintng from within,
capitalist tryg to turn it into a business instead of carng for the Lord's sheep.

Since fate is sealed at death,there is no point prayg r.i.p prayers over a departed one.
If he is in hell,he'll never know peace even for a second . If he is in heaven, he never know worry,anxiety even for a second.
Both places will be extreme undescribable superlative versions of their defining properties.
In heaven, the Lords of the place have peace for their names.
God of peace, prince of peace, Spirit of peace.
While the bible says of Hell as a place where the occupants hav no rest day and night and d smoke of of their torment goes up forever and ever..
R.I.P PRAyers are useless traditions.

The bible says "with the heart man believeth" . Babies believe in God but wen their reasong "mind" developed they become susceptible to doubtg His exstence.

worldbest:

I'm sure your project diary, logic notes etc involve the creation of a number of files (except there is something I don't know) which you can do in a regular IDE. Some IDEs have test libraries/plugins already integrated and I know most Jetbrain IDE allow you specify alternative folders as source directories. So..? Anyways, Its not wrong to not use an IDE, so ride on...abi your RAM low?

i blv many folks lov their ide's great but ide's are actually implemented opinions on how to create software not facts. And opinions ar just tht opinions. Exaltg an opinion to the status of a fact is dogmatism like the idea tht if u program u must use an ide.
In a wrk place i cud be frced to used one to keep my job . Otherwise i craft my own opinions .
I once had a programming job to do for sombody , he'd contracted anoda programmer,an aptech fellow, and the first thng on d fellows mind was how to download netbeans to get to work. This was pre internet data bundle days. It wud take hours to get his kit ready.
I also dnt use the ant build tool -it sucks terribly.

worldbest:

I'm sure your project diary, logic notes etc involve the creation of a number of files (except there is something I don't know) which you can do in a regular IDE. Some IDEs have test libraries/plugins already integrated and I know most Jetbrain IDE allow you specify alternative folders as source directories. So..? Anyways, Its not wrong to not use an IDE, so ride on...abi your RAM low?

i blv many folks lov their ide's great but ide's are actually implemented opinions on how to create software not facts. And opinions ar just tht opinions. Exaltg an opinion to the status of a fact is dogmatism like the idea tht if u program u must use an ide.
In a wrk place i cud be frced to used one to keep my job . Otherwise i craft my own opinions .
I once had a programming job to do for sombody , he'd contracted anoda programmer,an aptech fellow, and the first thng on d fellows mind was how to download netbeans to get to work. This was pre internet data bundle days. It wud take hours to get his kit ready.
I also dnt use the ant build tool -it sucks terribly.

If u like cut your two arms for love and give away ur kidneys . Sure hollywood may make a film about u but ur righteousness just wont cut with God.
Dnt get me wrng theyve been some highly commendable applaudable individuals . But with God only christ's righteousness counts. Only christ's blood cleanses sin. Only names in christ's
book will make it in.
That's d stark truth.
If u die savg anoda person's baby from d a burng buildg but u ddnt hav christ . U make backpage news and d state governor may visit ur family . Highly improbable. But u wnt make it in.
Only Jesus can save not gud wrks.
Actually it's grimmer. As an unbeliever watever acts of selflessness or love u perform stinks b4 God because its tainted with sin.

blank: I did. That is why when i saw him, i immediately knew he was the one.

bank tellers usually hav this gift.

abdolleez: Almost everybody complain about Nigeria on corrupt leaders, Poor education, Bad roads, unemployment, Poor energy and more Negative things. Do you pray for change in your prayers?

it shud be
"when last DID you pray for nigeria".
Correct ur topic.

All these deluded christianized pagans , combing the bible for anythg to backup their paganism.

Of course lying is completely biblical: abraham lied because of sarah and God overlooked it

in.cest is thoroughly biblical : lot's daughters slept with him wen there was no man and they had their babies

adultery is biblical if ur repentant.
Davd slept with bathsheba and behold she bore him the wisest man of his time-solomon

dont frget tht prostitution is thoroughly biblical- the spies of jericho hide in a prostitutes room wen they were chsed and she spared their lives.

Come to think of it is there anythg tht isnt biblical?
Of course u know homosexuality is biblical dnt u?

interestg readg. D stuff fantasy is made of. His boss and company,so considerate. This yankee folk na wa for una. Try this in naija...
A boss sayg "we'd like to hav him back" in naija! . It wud b mor like we'd like to hav u die so som1 else can hav ur job.
No wonder wen folks leave jungle cultures 4 humane places they dnt ever wanna come back.
Its not always about d dollars.

@teniyi and harbiola

NO ISLAM = no boko haram,
no al qaeida, no 9/11, no waste of 3 airplanes, no destruction of world trade center, no international mourning, no embassy bombings, no afghanistan search, no 2003 gulf war, no almajiris, no professional beggars, no ninja women in purdah, no heart breaks by marryng multiple wives , no domestic rivalry for husbands attention and jealousy and all that,
no irresponsible fatherg from men with too many wives - baby factories - without plan on how to cater for them .
Spawng litters who bcome fodder for machinations of evil men . Boko haram recruits, almajiris, political thugs etc.
No under development due to religious mindsets-islam controlled countries ar chronically backward,
no entrenched abuse of human rights- islamic strongholds have human right abuse symptoms as a glaring property. Egypt,iraq,iran,dubai - wherever there's islam there's suppression and subjugation.
No islam no poverty- i'm embarrassed to find grown men in the city who cant even understand basc english because the god fathers of their state ensures tht they dnt ever get educated so tht they can live as serfs to the high and mighty. Livg often in abject poverty so tht they cud b controlled like puppets by their overseeing lords.
So much for islam.
The wrld is better off without it.

Its a culture of disrespect and the church leadership is right to enforce discipline as they see fit.
These ppl wont dare visit a local government chairman in saggy jeans or attend a corporate event tartily dressed but with God anythg goes.
Soon theyll b agitatg for strobe lights in church and ashes will b solicitg customers there . It all strts wth a little leavn.

okeyxyz: The truth is that a lot of church dictates regarding sexual relationships today has nothing to do with the original christian doctrines. Most of what we have today are derived from traditions, through the roman catholic institutions after it officially absorbed christianity.

No where does the original; christian doctrine say that sex without marriage was a sin. It does stipulate faithfulness in marriage for people who choose to marry. Regarding those who choose not to marry, why should they be bound by the marriage law?? The choice not to marry does not in any way translate to the choice not to have sex. Celibacy has absolutely nothing to do with christianity, it is a pagan practice perpetuated by the roman catholic institution under the guise of christianity.

Fornication simply means: either unnatural sex or unlawful(without consent) sex. Simples!! No more, no less.

where did u get ur definition of forncation from.
And in light of ur relaxed view,
if the bible were in this light,how then cud it define sexual immorality and lasciviousness and uncleanness and debauchery which it condemns.
Y does d bible say the christians body houses the Holy spirit and stipulates stiff penalty for its defilement (which many believe includes pre marital sex) ..
If christians want to sleep around and ar tired of d restraint they re free but not try to justify it with the wrd. Mayb fornication means zoophilia, mayb God didnt mean men couldnt marry and the verse against gays needs to b read in context or in latin mayb mayb too many maybes. Its mayb tht made eve pluck the forbidden fruit.

javadoctor:
@kambo, u must be living under a rock.

wat dyu know yes-man. Your confidence is in ur conformity.
Ide's are restrctve and bloated to me. I dont call my source code folder src for one , while my work is in progress, i keep a prject diary, logic notes, and other notes while working. I keep a test folder and make test summaries. Tweakg an ide to suite my wrk flow wud b too much wrk so bye bye bloatware.

toniecutie: They havent gotten to your door that long that means you were hidden well o lolz

i'm not hidden at all.
Theyre not just rampant where i b at. Or mayb its d lazy ones tht abound in my area.
Those hypocrites and their adulterated bibles.

Bidam:
Ok..let me come a bit down to your level using science.

God is light.Who created light?

Light is a form of energy.Who created energy?

Can you answer these?

who made God? Thts d question the poster raised.
He or u shud anser it or shattap or admit ignorance.
How hard is tht? Digressg into where God lives or how we will meet him later is wat? An answer?
Ur askg me about light and energy is compoundg d foolishness.
Who created nairaland. Seun.
End of story. No long talk.
How did he create it?
Irrelevant. But i cud guess. He used some other forum software he downloaded from the internet for free . I dont know how he did it all (admittg ignorance) but bla bla bla.
How hard is tht?
Who made God?
God isnt made he pre-exists.
Even the question is wrong its a leadg question.
It should b "how did God to be".
Think b4 u and the poster post/reply.

Only ppl in gbile akani's church will make heaven?
Only ppl in this ideal church of urs hav d holy spirit.
Hmm. Ideal church indeed.

iamSi:

What you stated still doesnt make sense... Kindly be factual ....

it makes sense to some so kindly get off my page.

Sure he is angry but wat in his message is out of place.

"Nobody is as foolish and silly/st.upid as u ar (about d muslims) " - yeah its harsh but tru.
How many lives have islam/islamic nations wasted

"animalistic human being killing people as you ar killing ram " - is this an insult or a statement of fact?
A muslim is a blood thirsty devil. Anointed to kill at d slightest whim once he accepted islam.
Examples wud fill this page.
Islam is of d devil pure and simple thts y muslims emanate devilish bhviour.
- customer stabbed to death in festac because of one naira.
- 2 customers butchered in broad daylight in northern market because of objectg to meet seller.
Dyu ppl respect human lives?
"only God will punish all islam and give them .... "
- this is a prayer and a prophesy.

The rest of the trailg post is junk.
You cudnt kill ur ram urself so wat?
Some men cant slaughter chicken if their lives depended on it.
The plateau youths and d killings ar reactionary. People ar tired of watchg u beasts called northern muslims slaughter their loved ones like meat and d govnment does nothg. A nigeria with no north wudve been quiter and more prosperous . Breakg news wud b about one thievg politcal rat thts all not blazing buildgs and tribal decimation like wat boko haram is doing.
The bible said of ishmeal "his hand will b against every man.."
islam is a scourge.

Jehovah witness and their apostasy. Ive only had two visits by them in d past 4 years and they never returned . Wud like to engage one of them in a dialogue and argument about our beliefs.
They read that adulterated lie book of theirs they call their bible and soothe their sinful hearts with d bribe of annihilation and material destruction of soul . Ha i laff , theyll do their sins hoping to b erased like a formatted flash drive only to wake up in infernal heat of hell.

Q: who made God?
Ans: nobody or i dont know.
How has ur suggested answer addressed the question u raised? Completely off point and baseless.
You get into talking about where God dwells ... More bla ... The we shall meet him . Think b4 u post .

Who cares about ur personal views about church? Y shud they care?
Besides as u admitted u ar makg ur first post so ur ar a strk stranger with an opinion. Not a knwn voice. Y shud any1 care?