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@op
The Catholic church was not made for the bible, rather the bible was made by the Catholic church for the Catholic church.


Catholic church worshipped Jesus hundreds of years before they compiled the new testament of the bible where the words of Christ were authenticated.
So I am still amazed how some people out there would abandon the church because the church have produced an infallible book called bible, instead of proclaiming the church infallible.

The word of God is spirit, so it is only with spirit you will decode what God is saying. Christ sent the holy spirit to the Catholic church, which has led her to all thruth(john 16:13). The bible the Catholic church gave you is a piece of truth, the whole embodiment of truth is in the Catholic church.

Interpretation of the bible is not your job, the bible was written in Greek and Latin, so anything you try to do with translated versions especially English versions is bound to be wrong.

I pity some people who stay inside their room to produce interpretation of the bible, when they know the holy spirit cannot give two different interpretation of the same passage or contradict what it gave to the Catholic church 2000 years ago. Invention of churches is against the will of Holy spirit (John 17: 23), and it is a top scandal for the most holy cause.

@op do not listen to mushroom interpreters on this forum, they have no doctrine, but invent improvise doctrines to suit nomadic transitions. The word of God is static and Catholic doctrines are static, none has contradicted the other in its 2000 years in existence. So don't shake at all.

dolphinheart:
Is the pope the church, the church consist of members, did the pope condemn and expelled all members that killed and participated in the war? Both for hitler and otherwise ?

Yea yea. We read about the Spanish inquisition.

These people that orchestrated the war, did they publicly declared themselves Catholic, even Hitler, did you see him in Catholic church?.

Remember, these Germans are the ones that fought the Catholic church through Martin Luther, and have more protestants than Catholic. So the question goes back to you. Did the protestant denominations condemned hitler and his associates or is world wars not part of protestant reformation?

Secondly, during during Spanish inquisition, protestant reformation the state is more powerful than the church, so the church cannot stop them, even modern slave trade, when the Catholic church was the most powerful, it brought salve trade to an end, only for it to restart with protestant reformation.

So the Jews were safe, when the Catholic church is powerful than when protestants were powerful.

dolphinheart:
You dnt have the authority to instruct me Bro.
If you believe some where picked, list one or two that where not picked. Prove ur statement to be right. U dnt tell ur accuser to go and look for evidence to acquit you for you.

Why would you throw questions you have you have the answers? Are you Jamb? Don't you have pastor in your church? Take some of these questions to them and give us a reply.

dolphinheart:
Are you saying the church did not know that the book they compiled are inspired? Or that some of the authors of the book where not inspired cus we dnt know who wrote some of the book.?

The Catholic church knows nothing, the holy spirit knows everything, but since Christ sent the holy spirit to her church it has led her to all truth(John 16:13) The actions of spirit can only be authenticated with the help of spirit.

You keep asking questions but can't answer any one I asked you, by the way, what is the name of your church?. Is it led by holy spirit.

Please do not ask any Q again, if you cannot answer any one.

dolphinheart:
My question to you is
1. Are these books inspired.?
2. Why where they not added to the one the catholic said they compiled?

You have your work cut out by PastorAIO, I wonder why it is hard for you to throw Google questions to Google.

1. Any book that someone sits down to write, he is inspired by someone or something to write it.

2. They were not added because the holy spirit led the Catholic church not to do so(John 16:13). Is your church led by the holy spirit? If you say yes why?.

But why are you asking , do you accept what the Catholic church have given you hook, line and sinker or do you reject it(bible)?

dolphinheart:
I dnt want many, just mention a few . Some of the dropped scrolls you know.

if a book is not inspired, it wunt be in the scriptures, does not matter what the church says or do.
So even if the catholic church said they compiled the scriptures, any lay man could have achieved that cus all the scriptures are inspired. If it is not inspired , it wunt be there or picked.
So therefore, what did the catholic church do that is awe inspiring to call them perfect. Did they drop an uninspired book? Or did they not compile all inspired book. ?

Did you search Google as I instructed you? If you did you should be the one listing the books here.

Can you get get a book written 300 years ago and prove whom the author is talk more of if the holy spirit inspired it or not. Can you prove if the words of Nigerian politicians were edited or not before being published in the national dailies.

dolphinheart:
Yep, they where also perfect to support hitler during the war, perfect to do what they did in south America, perfect to support the crusade, perfect to kill galelio(?) .
How was mary compiled ?

Perfect to produce the bible means perfect in doctrine and not perfect in sports and politics, Perfect in religion and perfect in NairaBET are not samething.

Uses of Mary's image is written in books of Catholic doctrine. It is in the market but I wonder if your church have doctrine at all, you have been here picking holes in Catholic doctrine, without pointing to any better doctrines your church have to so that we Catholics can look at it as a reasonable alternative. Or mention the Name of your church so that I can Google it.


Do you say that the Catholic church supported hitler to kill Catholics, that statement is a paradox. Please quote any pope writing that support your accusations.

Mind you the Jews were safer when the Catholic church is more powerful especially before protestants came to existence.

dolphinheart:
So which scroll did they not pick and why? As you said they "picked some".

There are many written by Paul, Peter, multiple apostles etc Google can help you see few of them as most is destroyed already during Roman Empire prosecution.

Not all books are divinely inspired, e.g writing down all the route that will take Paul from Athens to Rome, or how best to preserve written script. That why some are picked through the guidance of the holy spirit which Jesus promised He would send to His church and which would be with the church till He return.

ByfireByfire:
As far as neither you nor I were there to witness it such claims are false especially when they are made by a backsliden, idolatrous church.

Thank God, he has shot himself on the foot, Any claim he didn't witness is fallacious, quoting the book of John which is fallacious is a double standard. He didn't witness John writing it, so speak from the both side of same mouth, heap fallacy upon fallacies. He just entered a cul-de-sac.

By now it is no longer obvious to everyone that this one is no longer lying in but prostrating in state.

ByfireByfire:
Go learn how to speak english and how not to lie. Afterwards we can talk.

Don't derail this thread, prove and disprove with fact and figure as Jesus did.

You appears to be strong on vitriol but weak on substance. How can you stand something on nothing and expect it to stand?

Still SHAME for you , you disagree with 20 percent of my claims with no substance to support your stand. Shameful indeed.

bxcode:
Obama didn't invite pope to seek his opinion on certain things, Obama invited pope to the US to get his approval and backing on his devilish and evil propositions.
Him who has ear let him hear.

Point of correction, Joe Biden, American v.president and also a Catholic invited the pope an not Obama as you claimed.

dolphinheart:
What is the correlation between compiling the bible and the use of mary's images?.

The answer is simple.
Since the Catholic church is perfect to compile a perfect bible, they are also perfect to compile the uses of Mary's image.
I drop my pen.

dolphinheart:
Which scrolls sis, can you mention them ?

The books of John, Peter and even all the epistles of Paul are all scroll, It is the Catholic church that picked some of them and called it bible.

They were called scroll because modern paper materials have not been put to use then.

ByfireByfire:
Catholic Church gave birth to God, breastfed him,put him in nursery and even wrote the Bible.
You lie better than the devil.

Can you quote me where I said these?

Heavenly hypocrisy! Derailment to the heaven s.

I smell jealousy and envy, keep twisting my post to suit your hypocrisy.

ByfireByfire:
Catholic Church gave birth to God, breastfed him,put him in nursery and even wrote the Bible. In fact the Catholic Church is greater than God.

Mary gave birth to Jesus(GOD) not church gave birth to Him, Dont betray yourself as a despirado, Quote me on this if you haven't lied on this.

The people that lived with Him, are they not Catholics?

The people that gave you the bible, are they not Catholics?

Do you know the bible more than Catholics that made it and gave it to you?

Out of 15 claims I made , you rejected 3 meaning I get it 80 percent spot on.

Shame for you!!!

ByfireByfire:
There's nothing you'll show me in history to make me believe Roman Catholics compiled the bible.


How can they compile a book they refuse to obey in totality. A book some Pentecostals they deride obey more than them.Some Catholics even claim they wrote the Bible. I laugh.


In the new testament we see examples of where Christ and apostle paul entered synagogues and opened old testament scrolls and taught from it. So you people imply the Catholics compiled those for Christ and Paul? I laugh.


What of the Churches Christ rebuked in the revelations(Rev. 2&3). Did the Roman Catholic compile their Bible for them? I see historical lies somewhere

To me the worst form of ignorance is ignorance of ignorance.

The Catholic church was not made for the bible, rather the bible was made by the Catholic church for the Catholic church. So I wonder why people cry more than the bereaved where they have no stake. (Claiming bible-stakeholder association)


For your information, all the Pentecostal churches got their bible from the Catholic church including Martin Luther, who was a Catholic priest.

What you are doing now is what Luther did 500 Years ago, knowing Jesus more than than than the people that gave birth to Him, breastfed Him, lived with Him, listened to Him, wrote His words on paper, lived with all that followed Him day by day, painted His pictures, Moulded Him and His parents, wrote different versions of his followers stories about Him, and even celebrated his birthdays thousand times before Luther was born.


There are other gospels of Christ, but the Catholic church gave you four, and yet you confuse yourself with only four, what if we give you another 20, I guess it is 20 times confusion. I pity your brainwork as if bible is brainwork

Catholic church worshipped Jesus hundreds of years before they compiled the bible.
So I am still amazed how someone would abandon the church because the church have produced an infallible book called bible, instead of proclaiming the church infallible.

I don't know if you know Jesus or the bible more than the Catholic church or the both.

Political certificate presented to RCCG local parish by a US MP at Ohio for hosting Adeboye.
MP trying to be in touch with Christian majority.

These are some of the reasons a private jet is necessary.

The bottom line remain, Madonna University is Catholic University QED.

Ramos16:
. if you feel aggrieved about the leadership of the Church, you seem like a smart person and I believe you can do something about that

SMART PERSON?

When he appears not to understand university education, let him go and seize churchs because the Catholics and Anglicans built their church on his papa land.
SMH

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Okanokan:
You just made me a PROTESTANT CATHOLIC. What we, Protestant Catholic are saying is that Catholic Church is an extraordinary neighbour, collecting tithes, offering, vows and other sundry charges for mass etc, and after charges a school fee that the average Nigerian cannot afford. What Nigerian are saying is that you cannot appropriate our land in communities across the nation to build schools that our children cannot attend. (Most land owned by the bigger churches of which the CATHOLIC CHURCH is the greatest beneficiaries were gotten free from the various communities with no form of encumberance), when they came into the country during the colonial era. What happen to CHARITY as a fundamental platform of catholism? Am of the opinion that the communities should enter into new agreement as done with oil companies, its time that communities whose land were given to these churches free be returned back, or renegotiated, 100year have passed since the church took control of our lives and land and force us pay for them.
Finally i am indeed a catholic and don't need to lie about it, there is nothing special calling oneself a catholic my grandfather brought catholic church to my community but am not proud of current leadership.

DEADLY SARCASM
Let me begin by drawing you back to the slippery terrain you created and seems to be running away from

Okanokan:
Its time genuine catholic get across to the pope and make him understand that what we call Catholic Church in Nigeria is a BIG BUSINESS CONCERN.

My question remain, is Catholic modus operandi in Nigeria different form what is obtainable in other countries around the globe?

Then on the issue of land, I will start by asking you if there is any Catholic university that the land it is built on was obtained free?

Secondly, that your grand-parents gave away land, was it by force or out of freewill?

Thirdly, when you give money or anything to God do you ask for it back fo any reason?

Fourth is which, human, institution,organization,country,church etc is better than the Catholic church when you talk of charity.

Let me remind you most of the primary and secondary schools in Nigerian is built by the Catholic church, In Anambra for example, more than 90% of primary and secondary schools is built by Catholic and Anglican church combined before the unpopular military government seizure of schools.
For your faith you remain ''protestant catholic'' a new denomination entirely.
Please choose one Faith you cant serve two masters at same time.

Redfruit:
Madonna is owned by an individual who happens to be a priest, Rev fr Edeh. But the first university to be set up by the catholic church as an organisation/Entity is Godfrey Okoye university in Enugu.
Besides, he Fr Edeh is not a mosignor.

Whatever belongs to a priest in the Catholic church, belongs to the Catholic church. The individual properties belongs to the Catholic church, if he dies nobody else would come and claim it than the Catholic church. MADONNA UNIVERSITY is a property of the Catholic church.

Okanokan:
I am a Catholic. Its time genuine catholic get across to the pope and make him understand that what we call Catholic Church in Nigeria is a BIG BUSINESS CONCERN.

You are not a Catholic.
Catholic church have many universities in every continent many in Rome. Catholic church have universities thousand years ago, their fees in Nigeria is not higher than it is in other countries.

If you want to be a protestant, you are free, dont wail because you see others wailing.

Understand the concept ''catholic university'' first and comment and no vice versa

Redfruit:
The first catholic University is in Enugu.....Godfrey Okoye University. opened in 2010

Please note:

The first private university in Nigeria is a Catholic University ; MADONNA UNIVERSITY OKIJA ANAMBRA
STATE. BY MONSIGNOR Edeh Established more than 15years ago.

Every body is shouting hypocrite as if this first is Catholic university.

In a nutshell, this is recipe for divorce
Thank God almost everyone on first page called it a joke or nollywood triller. Great Nigerians.

ebenice:
u stylishly avoided my questions ..now u claiming defunct ..who's defunct BTW me and you ?

Deliverance session loading..

[quote author=Empredboy post=39052694][/quote]I think @ebenice is defunct, lets move on and meet the next-generation of Christians.

ebenice:
. of what sin please.? . of what sin please.?

If you are too blind and can't see your sins on this thread, then Satan has a tight hold of you.
Then you need deliverance.
Et c'est maintenant.

ebenice:

REPENT

ebenice:
OK sir ...one more sensible person like you on this thread will make me use my intelligence quotient.. for now I think most fellows here just dont know what's up .

REPENT!!!

overcomersfaith:
My dear what happens to Jas 5:16.

John(20:23) did not contradict James(5:16)
So my dear, James epistle did not contradict the word of Christ, so do as Christ told you and you will have the peace of mind God reserved for you.
God bless you.

ebenice:
OK ....here is an example, what did the pope do when he was at the US senate just recently? ..I didn't quite understand his mission but I know well that out of all what he said that day he never mentioned the name of Jesus ...at least he could have even put it in this way..."it is He who only can save mankind from all troubles ..including praying to Him to help us on climate change " since climate change is what a whole christian respected largely place leader can say of all issues ..what happened to abortions,gay marriage etc? why couldn't he condemn that ?

"The Golden Rule also reminds us of our responsibility to protect and defend human life at every stage of its development."

"Yet I cannot hide my concern for the family, which is threatened, perhaps as never before, from within and without. Fundamental relationships are being called into question, as is the very basis of marriage and the family. I can only reiterate the importance and, above all, the richness and the beauty of family life."

These are pope Francis words to parliament verbatim.

It cant be more obvious that your motives are questionable, you go about seeking cheap blackmail, tainting papal image with embellished falsehood, combing-up imaginary accusations.
Repent my dear, go for confession