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rhymz: Guy, shove your dirty childish talk down your ignorant ass, I have no time for sentimental arguments What I posted was an excerpt from the IMSH committee report, it is common place if you care about facts and not stewpid sentiments, google is friend, so "sharap"

fictitious website, Govt propaganda arena, suitable for a fairy tale. Against LG Chairmen, the court condemned the mesmerizing Okocha before & it is going to happen again this time. LAWLESS OKOCHA Watch out for season 2!

[quote author=Akin-David]But he(Agbaso)went for the bait and it was glaring... [/quote]Ie based on facts or stories presented by apparently government sponsored Rhymz above. Okocha! A war oriented governor; at war with p. Obi, Sen. Anyanwu, all LG chairmen, chief judge Njemanze APGA, T. Orji...now Agbaso Soon Imo Assembly. If guilty EFCC would have arrested him b4 impeachment. Lets allow the court to weigh, if it is a set up, Game over for Okocha

Som ppl are begging the question seriously. Good roads are not more important than the law or constitution as the latter is the air on which the poor depend on 4 survival. If Okocha has dribbled it, let impeachment proceeding begin! Full stop.

A sauce for the goose is also a sauce for the gander, just like dep. Governor, a 7-man panel should be set up. Allow him to pass through the furnace of scrutiny just like PETER if he is a rock he cant crumble. Okocha a dribbler from Sen Anyanwu 2 P.Obi from APGA 2 APC,& now from J.Agbaso 2 Chief judge Njemanze, but if the state house of assembly slip from his hands, it would be game over! 2 yrs of throat sliting politics in Imo. Coming soon season 2.

More objectivity needed, as most responents here are traped in the slippery terrain of argumentum ad horminem. The question is ''did Rochas follow due process in spending''

Idi Amin: They better impeach Peter Obi than that achiever. pls leave Rochas alone

plzz... Leave PETER alone ! No trace of foresighted Peter on vodoo politics playing itself out in Imo. Instead Rochas <APC MAN>presence in APGA has stolen away our peace esp in Imo.

Catholic hatred all D way, trying to pieces christianity D mor...

This thread is truely objective. Since the invention of printing press in 16th century the bible became accessible to people, but adultration of God's word is now rampant and people now interpret personal, thereby becoming theologian to themselves, if everybody assume his/her interpretation is right, then every family would have a family church, with family doctrine. Its effect is clear "death of christianity" as sampled in Europe where it all started. The new testament of D bible is compiled in 4th century is meant to guide not teach since private interpretation is not God's intent(2Pet 1:20).

Logicboy03: You must be joking. The catholic church that held back science, torutured people and carried out wars on unbelievers? The same catholic church that encoded slavery into its canon law?

Total fallacy, we are moslems that torture unbelivers, quot the canon law if you have evidence, holding science while using education as number 1 means of envangelization. A brazen paradox! I'm sorry 4 ppl like you, who can't use logic 2 promote propaganda

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]shut up stu.id. we have older institutions founded by Pagans. so shut up. the world didnt begin with christ. in fact it ended with him. [/quote]The products of the world's greatest ever institution are insult-proof, but if the world ended with Christ are you pinging from the grave?

I cant imagine how a country can have a constitution without a supreme court, every citizen would interprete as he/ she likes, it doesnt make sense as chaos would surely be the order of the day The death on the cross would have been in vain if dat is the case.

Osgee: As much as will claim to be Bible scholars will know that no one verse in the Bible has a fixed meanin He will always teach you something new even if you read the Word a thousand times. Get this book by Benny Hinn The word of God is new every morning. It is dynamic.

The meaning of God's work does not change as He does not speak from both sides of His mouth

bamto: You must first realize that the books of the bible are not of the same genre. There are history, laws, letters, poems, teachings, reportorials etc. Then, there is a setting for each passage. This has only one distinct denotation and its called 'logos,' the letter of the law. But there is the revealed aspect that comes from the Holy spirit, it is called 'Rhema.' It is good to know the logos, but it is more important to allow the Holy Spirit reveal the Rhema to you as you meditate. Rhema is functional, not rigid. That is the living, sharp word of God. Jesus said 'the letter (logos) kills. The word that I speak to you (rhema) is spirit and life'
Watchman Nee's 'How

this is 20, 21st century invention. There is no private interpretation (2Pet 1:20).

SELFWORTH: Me am baffled by this o? There is no mention of catholic owning the copyright in the bible.

How can someone own God? You need to own God and the Holy Spirit to be able to say you own the Bible.

The catholic church have the holy spirit(Jn 16:12-13), thats why writing and interpreting our works is possible. Let dis be clear any written works by humans is an intellectual property, and so the issue of copyright is coming into play. Thats why you can't remove a single word from the koran (pirating) legally because it is a violation of copyright.

SELFWORTH: Me am baffled by this o? There is no mention of catholic owning the copyright in the bible.

How can someone own God? You need to own God and the Holy Spirit to be able to say you own the Bible.

The catholic church have the holy spirit(Jn 16:12-13), thats why writing and interpreting our works is possible. Let dis be clear any written works by humans is an intellectual property, and so the issue of copyright is coming into play. Thats why you can't remove a single word from the koran (pirating) legally because it is a violation of copyright.

larrymoore: l am interestd. I need further explanation pls.

In new testament context As the world's oldest institution, the catholic church has single-handedly written the bible, handpicked the ones divinely inspired from hundreds of books written by D apostles. Canonised it, thereby making it acceptable as not only holy but infalliable by all. Lets give her the benefit of doubt, in interpreting her works, as done for for 15 centuries b4 the coming of protestantism.

vandarsar: Ever noticed most of the bible we're reading in English and other languages apart from Hebrews have lost their true meaning? Hebrew is the correct interpretation of the holy bible

Most of D New testament was written in Greek so almost all pastors who hardly understand English talk more of Greek interpreting bible, is simply taking innocent people 2 hell. Even ordnary people interpreting it spell doom esp 4 protestants who pick & choose doctrines 4 demselves

k2039: So the bible writers were catholic,David who wrote Psalm was a catholic or Job who wrote the book of Job was a catholic.
Your claim is laughable.

Excuse me in christian context, esp with respect new testament, Peter acknowledged its interpretation is a big challenge(2Pet 3:16) and proferred a way out ie through the interpretation of the church(2Peter 1:20) guide by D holy spirit(16:12-13) since it is with spirit it was made in the first place. With common sense a copyright owner is the best interpreter of his works, if not the fallout will be exactly what Peter said in 2Pet 3:16 ie churches mushrooming with deleterious consequences against the will of God(Jn 17:20-21)

INNO18: The prob is those folks keep blasting us on the grounds that we 'worship' Mary. Such a dumb theory.

None of them get doctrine, or know their pastor's doctrine, only follow-follow. Even following gay ones

ACM10: Christianity is a religion, while Catholic is a denomination under Christianity. So Catholicism is not a religion.

Catholicism is christianity as there is no christianity without catholicism

charlsecy4: I was with a friend last Sunday. He said that the meaning of each verse in the Bible is non-specific, that it depends on "AS PER REVEALED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT" to the reader. He was like saying that two or more individuals could read a passage in the Scripture, and the Holy Spirit would reveal different meanings[/b]

Only the copyright owner has a righ to interpret.(catholic church). As there is only 1 truth nay interpretation.

charlsecy4: I was with a friend last Sunday. He said that the meaning of each verse in the Bible is non-specific, that it depends on "AS PER REVEALED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT" to the reader. He was like saying that two or more individuals could read a passage in the Scripture, and the Holy Spirit would reveal different meanings to the individuals.

So, let's discuss: Does Each Bible Text Have A Fixed Interpretation, or Does It Depend On What The Holy Spirit Reveals To The Reader?

Only the copyright owner has a righ to interpret.(catholic church).

inurmind: Wow! Ur signature sure implies a conservative ideology and practice.

Anyway, I think protestants are a very funny and highly confused people.
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They are just founded by humans, so the foundation is too weak, unlike Christ's own(Mat 16:18). So no matter how sweet a house might be provided it is built shaky foundation it must be brought down. What a pity. Mushrooming 2 bad.

As the world oldest institution, founded by Christ Himself (Mat 16 : 18) and the mother of any of every denomination that call itself christian, we are not an arm, but christianity itself which you are just priviledged 2 be part of.

Logicboy03: the same solomon that had 700 wives? see how foolish and wasteful your god and his people are?

Judaism is modified in christianity as we marry only 1 wife unlike most other religion

Logicboy03: How can you read history and still belong to the catholic church

I am proud of of the institution that made civilization what it is today, what if lslam conquered W.Europe, Sharia would be practise on every corner of D globe, no science, no technology. Thanks to D trailblazing religion orchestrated by the catholic church, molded with infalliable word of God(new testament of D bible) leaving other religions copy-cating its fallouts eg; democracy freedom of of speech, marry 1 wife etc. VENI! VIDI!! VICI!!!.

Logicboy: Furthermore, it is of no surprise that the catholic church is worth a billion dollars.

The house built by solomon 4 D Lord worth billions of dollars.

Hey guys, let lend some historical perspectives from D world oldest surviving institution(D Catholic church). In our 1979 years of existence we do not define truth unless errors abound on the matter(Act 5). There was no canon scripture in the early church, in other words there was no bible. The bible is the book of the church, she is not a church of the bible. It was the church; her leadership, faithful people guided by the authority of D spirit of truth(Jn 14: 16-17) which discovered D books inspired by God in their(apostles) writing. The church did not create the canon, she discerned the canon. The council of laodicea in 360AD produced a list of books similar to today's canon, but Pope Damasus in his decree listed the books of today's canon after the council of Rome in 382AD made a case for it. The council of Hippo created the list of both D new and old testament books in 393AD as it is today. The council of carthage(N.Africa) did D same in 397AD & 419AD. But D final infalliable definition of canonical books by D catholic church came from council of Trient in 1556AD, which upheld today's bible as it is. Only 27 from hundreds books written by the apostles. Contrariwise, Constantine who know only of Biblia(books) and not Bible(book) died on 22nd of May, 337AD. So your write up is based on malicious gossips & backed by no-facts or evidence, so no leg to stand on.

dagr8: Ask st. Timothy to pray 4 u
can you show me an example from the scriptures

Macc. 12:45

Oahray: What is more, the Roman Catholic Church was just a state religion of the pagan roman world Here are the facts: Emperor Constantine named it the Roman Catholic Church Ever heard of the council of Nicaea held in 325AD? Catholic is the first church? And Peter never had any successor.

The catholic church was founded by Christ Himself(Mat 16:18) by his sacrificial death(Act 20:28). Those days the church is name by its locations eg; the church in Ephesus, the church in Antioch etc. Building the first by 313 AD, 280 years after Christ exit does not mean the begining, rather a consolidation of a church dat has existed but remained illegal due to wicked Roman Emperors (Jesus was killed by D Emperor) for 280 yrs, and church is not sand and cement but a community of believers. Mary(whom u reject) and all the apostles are all catholic and not mere christians. Go to vatican and see how almost all the popes are buried in the same cemetry from St peter to Jahnpaul II (1st, 2nd & 3rd century popes inclusive). The council of Nicea (not Nicea but Nicea I) you cited proved you wrong as it explicitly stated that the the church is one, holy, catholic and apostolic. No mention of Roman b4 catholic which you protestants add today condescendingly.The catholic church is never a subject to any state in its 1979 years of its existence, rather states were subject to us, you ever heard of papal states, which halted Islamic invation of Western Europe in 16th century via the battle of Lepanto. If not, you will be a muslim today (if not B.haram) NB: There was nothing like new testament of the bible, until the 382 AD(after D council of Rome) when Pope Damasus canonized through a decree the 27 books which you have today and call Holy Bible, from hundreds of books written by the apostles, passed down through untrusted source. Yet yet you still doubt the infallibility of the pope & catholic church doctrine-wise. What a paradox!

Trex73: As for me I no get any problem with the Catholic church only the bowing down to images

when I was young dat was my only problem but now it is clarified. You did not see any form,do not mak an idol of any form. Deut 4:15-16. Then the word was the same as God,the word became a human being and lived among us(Jn 1:1-14. To cap it all Jesus said whoever has seen me has seen me has seen the father (Jn 14 : 9). 4 the catholic church we have seen God and we have His image. The unbroken chain of popes from St. Peter to Benedict XVI attest 2 dis. Then bowing 2 images I bow 2 my elders in greeting them, the Japanese do the same. During Igwe' s blessings I knel down, yorubas prostrate, u download images, you kiss d pics of ur girl friend in honouring and loving her. Ppl bow 2 Mary images, dat does not imply worship because, if so we are worshiping our elders, Obas, Igwes,teachers etc The church is clear on this & u agree we teach Mary is not God ! Respect ppl culture provided no doctrine is contradicted. Imagine dis, if there was camera then snaping him or videoing him would dat be a grave sin? Carved images & video image all the same.

Trex73: As for me I no get any problem with the Catholic church only the bowing down to images

when I was young dat was my only problem but now it is clarified. You did not see any form,do not mak an idol of any form. Deut 4:15-16. Then the word was the same as God,the word became a human being and lived among us(Jn 1:1-14. To cap it all Jesus said whoever has seen me has seen me has seen the father (Jn 14 : 9). 4 the catholic church we have seen God and we have His image. The unbroken chain of popes from St. Peter to Benedict XVI attest 2 dis. Then bowing 2 images I bow 2 my elders in greeting them, the Japanese do the same. During Igwe' s blessings I knel down, yorubas prostrate, u download images, you kiss d pics of ur girl friend in honouring and loving her. Ppl bow 2 Mary images, dat does not imply worship because, if so we are worshiping our elders, Obas, Igwes,teachers etc The church is clear on this & u agree we teach Mary is not God ! Respect ppl culture provided no doctrine is contradict. Imagine dis, if there was camera then snaping him or videoing him would dat be a grave sin? Carved images & video image all the same.