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Politics / Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Katsumoto: 9:53pm On Nov 17, 2015 |
IlekeHD: Buhari isn't being taken to task here; rather it's the governors, LG Chairmen, party leaders, etc. Buhari just started, the others have been in power for over 4 years. 2 Likes |
Politics / Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Katsumoto: 9:50pm On Nov 17, 2015 |
9jacrip: How many Naija politicians do benchmarking? What was the GDP between when I came and when I left? What was the GDP per income capita? What was the exam pass rate? Mortality rate? infant mortality rate? unemployment rate? No answer Instead, people are told how many elections are won? Who can win state, local or national elections? Who can eat amala with local people? who can punish civil servants who are late? Who can be outsmarted by others within the same party? APC loyalists should please provide proper indices; the old scare mongering tactic will not work. 5 Likes |
Politics / Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Katsumoto: 8:55pm On Nov 17, 2015 |
9jacrip: Obama won the election, why didn't he just sit on his arse arguing that Bush wrecked the economy and increased the budget deficit? As far as some folk are concerned, Tinubu should be worshipped because his party kicked out indolent thugs. And having said that, what did he really do? He outbid the other party; its not like people are loyal to Tinubu because of a magnificent ideology, the loyalty is out of 'who can pay more'. Yet some would make us believe it is something 'babara' (hope i got the spelling and usage right). Not much has changed for the average person; his lot isn't better. He isn't going to better schools or accessing better healthcare. Cronies or politicians are getting richer. Yet the average person will be on the hook for these loans that are being accumulated by these governors. What irks me even more is a comparison with Awo because Awo didn't become PM but Tinubu joined forces with Buhari to win an election against someone most Nigerians were tired of. Absolute balderdash. 7 Likes 1 Share |
Politics / Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Katsumoto: 8:43pm On Nov 17, 2015 |
Osomalo: I am not disputing the current situation; I am simply advocating for change so that there can be development. You can't carry on doing the same things and expect change. To change the situation, there must be a change in thinking and action. That's all I am saying. 2 Likes |
Politics / Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Katsumoto: 7:42pm On Nov 17, 2015 |
raumdeuter: So what should people do? The politicians who can make changes aren't making the necessary changes because the status quo suits them. If people demand more accountability, they will get more. This feudal system of grassroot politics isn't good for anyone. Which is why those who don't rely on stomach infrastructure should do what they can to force some changes. We shouldn't applaud Tinubu because he won elections; we should applaud him because the policies of his party are being felt by the average person. I am getting exasperated at the slow pace of change because the world is changing around us; resources are going to get scarcer in the next 20 years and Nigeria needs to be better prepared. And by resources, I mean water, meat, etc. Add to that the decreased revenue from Oil. We are already seeing the effects of mismanagement and corruption - state governments are borrowing more and still can't pay salaries. Soon Nigeria will be sold to the highest bidder and the country will be back will colonial masters - Chinese, Korea. 1 Like |
Politics / Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Katsumoto: 7:15pm On Nov 17, 2015 |
raumdeuter: You know what the issue is - some see the glass half full while others see it half empty. Your focus is on what obtains and which must be accepted while my focus is on what should obtain for there to be progress and development. Why can't the people change their focus from 'stomach infrastructure'? 3 Likes |
Politics / Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Katsumoto: 6:36pm On Nov 17, 2015 |
raumdeuter: You paint a dark picture so as to scare monger. Why should it be social critic who will take over from Tinubu? Why can't Fashola take over from Tinubu? Must the SW remain in the dark ages? Why can't the SW emulate places that practice 'real domocracy' like the Nordics? 3 Likes |
Politics / Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Katsumoto: 6:31pm On Nov 17, 2015 |
[quote author=Aigbofa post=40125130] Is this really katsumoto? Where have been? Long time. Nice to see you here again. [/quote Yes, it is I. I got really busy in the last couple of years and it coincided with the infestation of this board by political jobbers. So I will drop by from time to time. I hope you are keeping well brother. Good to see you too. 2 Likes |
Politics / Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Katsumoto: 6:29pm On Nov 17, 2015 |
superstar1: Why can't socialist ideologies survive today? I am a capitalist but I believe that ALL countries with free mineral resources should have socialist programs simply because free money will be stolen or mismanaged. 1 Like |
Politics / Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Katsumoto: 6:24pm On Nov 17, 2015 |
raumdeuter: Dayo Reality is what you make it to be. People deserve better than those you mentioned. Gani went into politics because there was a vacuum of credible leaders. Soyinka and Solarin had posts; not quite the same thing. Losing out to Saraki exposed Tinubu greatly. It showed that Tinubu is no more than a local champion. It was embarrassing to be schooled in that manner. I don't want to get into Awo with you for obvious reasons. You are an Akintola. We both know where we stand; so I will leave that alone. 3 Likes |
Politics / Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Katsumoto: 6:17pm On Nov 17, 2015 |
Gbawe: First, I never stated that you insulted the said men of honour; I stated that you sully their names. And I posit that you do so because you want to elevate or defend Tinubu. On this thread alone, you have mentioned their names severally. Why is that? Like I stated earlier, Fawehinmi, Soyinka, Solarin PROVIDED a social conscience for the nation at great risks to their lives, health, well being, finances. To reduce them to failed politicians to make a point is what I refer to as 'sully'. See below for one of several posts you made mentioning their names. Gbawe: Second, you do use Kashamu and other PDP rogues as a benchmark because you continue to remind us that without Tinubu, these would be the men in power. And like I stated earlier, it would be better to use other better indices which show the improvement in the lives of the people as benchmarks. When Obama supporters want to defend Obama's record, they point to GDP today as against when he came to power, they point to inflation, price of gas, teenage pregnancy, unemployment stats, etc. They don't tell us that if Obama didn't win, McCain would be president. It is better to use positives for benchmarking. Why focus on the bad? Third, that some political pigs want the entire political field to be a pigsty doesn't mean the rest of society has to accept it. This is where I disagree with you. I don't care for George, Kashamu, Daniel, OBJ and other PDP goons because they should never be the standards for governance. I may not be on the ground in Nigeria but I know what good governance is and know the drivers for good governance. Fourth, grass root politics is no more than 'stomach infrastructure' politics. It is a dirty way of controlling politics. It is a feudal type system. The peasants report to an area father who in turn pledges loyalty to godfather. People can't make their own decisions because they have to be subservient and obedient to someone higher in the hierarchy. Is this what learned and reasonable people should be promoting and defending? Shouldn't we be discussing ways to dismantle this archaic, unjust, corrupt, and unproductive system? Lastly, I am sorry but I have zero energy for negativity. I prefer to focus on what can be achieved and not what is real because our realities in this world is what we choose it to be. In addition, let us do away with name calling just because we have disagreements. I have disagreed many times with Dayo, Shymexx, etc but it is always respectful. Please ignore any typos. 11 Likes 4 Shares |
Politics / Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Katsumoto: 2:27pm On Nov 17, 2015 |
Gbawe Your argument is simple - you have made PDP in the SW a benchmark. You aren't providing any widely accepted indices as benchmark; instead your benchmark is Buruji, Bode George, Gbenga Daniel and other persons of low stock. Has the Yoruba stock fallen so bad that these persons are now the benchmark. Your strategy is similar to that used by parents in scaring kids with the bogeyman; in this case OBJ & George are the bogeymen. To mark matters worse, you sully the name of great men - Soyinka, Fawehinmi, Solarin, etc to make a point. Are those men politicians? They simply provide a social conscience for the nation. Why don't Indians compare their politicians to Gandhi? Yoruba are capable of much more and these scaremongering tactics are for the middle ages and not this age. Most of the posters here are well educated and intelligent folk. We know why Obama is better than bush visavis employment, GDP, Inflation, education, etc stats. To espouse the qualities of Tinubu, that is where you should start from. Leave pigs and thugs out of benchmarks. What really is the political ideology of Tinubu and the APC? Don't make him into a demagogue 8 Likes |
Politics / Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Katsumoto: 2:17pm On Nov 17, 2015 |
veraponpo: Please educate us on how Tinubu got more results than Awolowo. The same Tinubu who went to sleep and was outsmarted by Saraki. You chaps should stop this asinine comparison of Awo and Tinubu. They are not in the same league. 4 Likes |
Politics / Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Katsumoto: 1:36pm On Nov 17, 2015 |
Shymexx I will be back to answer your question on Tinubu. Well done on your positions so far. |
Politics / Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Katsumoto: 12:09am On Nov 17, 2015 |
raumdeuter: I am drawing obvious parallels here Communist dictators with Nigerian Military dictators - I don't expect much from the people. My comment is more about democracy; Eastern Europeans demand accountability from their politicians and have gone as far as attacking them. Even in Georgia, the people stormed the presidential palace and the president escaped through the window. |
Politics / Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Katsumoto: 11:47pm On Nov 16, 2015 |
modath: I agree - people will find a way to survive in the short term even if its through praise and worship of politicians. Its just that this is a chicken and egg scenario - which comes first Why can't Nigerians be more like Eastern Europeans who will lynch their politicians? |
Politics / Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Katsumoto: 11:43pm On Nov 16, 2015 |
Shymm3x: You are on the money. When people get to a state of hopelessness, they believe the solution lies in the unattainable. We have heard some blame the current malaise on power. And some believe that secession is the answer. Secession isn't going to happen and efficient power distribution can be obtained if SW sinators (my spelling) and reps agitate for looser federal govt controls. In the interim, people must demand better accountability from their administrators and exercise their power during elections. 1 Like |
Politics / Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Katsumoto: 11:27pm On Nov 16, 2015 |
IlekeHD: I guess the Pope isnt Catholic then. 3 Likes |
Politics / Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Katsumoto: 11:10pm On Nov 16, 2015 |
Shymm3x: Thats what I am trying to tell Dayo. These chaps have no ideas; all they are interested in is lining their pockets and the praise worship from sycophants. |
Politics / Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Katsumoto: 11:05pm On Nov 16, 2015 |
superstar1: I agree partially with this. I continue to maintain that in a yoruba only nation, old feuds and rivalries will resurface. We are talking about a yoruba nation where osun and oyo had to be given separate states, where Ijebu agitates for its own state. The same Yoruba that the most it came to being unified was during Awo's time which ironically was also a combustible era. I am for regionalism/conferedation. The most progress the Yoruba made was in the 12 years it was a separate region. 1 Like |
Politics / Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Katsumoto: 10:51pm On Nov 16, 2015 |
superstar1: Nigeria wont go far if the backup to oil are other mineral resources. The thinking should be more along creativity lines visavis Germany, Switzerland, korea etc |
Politics / Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Katsumoto: 10:41pm On Nov 16, 2015 |
superstar1: I don't share your optimism re dried up recenue. Just remember all those African states such as Mali, Burkina, Senegal that have no rich mineral resources. Also remember a perpetually poor man can handle poverty better than a man who was rich once. In addition, nigerians dont have the work ethos of Asians. Just visit china, vietnam, korea, etc then you will understand how they were able to leapfrog Nigeria. 2 Likes |
Politics / Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Katsumoto: 10:29pm On Nov 16, 2015 |
IyaIode: Its not like its a productive civil service anyway. Most states have more ministeries than England but in Nigeria its only a few ministeries such as lands, works, education that even put up mediocre service. The remaining miniteries are filled with ghost workers. |
Politics / Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Katsumoto: 10:26pm On Nov 16, 2015 |
superstar1: Exactly Things are bad now with free money from the center. What happens when free money disappears?? Yoruba ronu 2 Likes |
Politics / Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Katsumoto: 10:10pm On Nov 16, 2015 |
raumdeuter: So your position is that these governors should continue to borrow billions to pay salaries?? You continue to overlook my points. 1. Politicians in the US actually deliver which is unlike naija policians 2. The current situation isn't sustainable. We already have several states that can't pay salaries 3. There is wastage, mismanagement and corruption. Eliminating these would free up funds raumdeuter: Nigeria can not progress if things don't change. You can't expect things to improve while expecting the status quo to remain. It is that simple. There is no need to re-invent the wheel. Nigeria need only look at what obtains in developed nations. I don't buy all these 'Nigerian factor' excuses. Otherwise lets just wait until things get really bad. |
Politics / Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Katsumoto: 9:43pm On Nov 16, 2015 |
modath: Nigerian banks can't be SME friendly because 1. They are/were making so much money from the government 2. The environment is conducive for it with high inflation and excess liquidity in circulation. |
Politics / Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Katsumoto: 9:40pm On Nov 16, 2015 |
raumdeuter: I am sorry but I don't trust write-ups in Nigerian dailies because Nigerian journalists have been corrupted. I prefer to review stats that are provided for all states. The feedback from Ekiti is that Fayemi did mess all. And that would explain why he lost to a man with the worst ideas. |
Politics / Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Katsumoto: 9:37pm On Nov 16, 2015 |
raumdeuter: Why then do governors use the civil service for political gain? Aren't civil servants mandated to attend political rallies? Why then do these guys aspire to office if they knew off the issues before hand? Why not kill your personal ambition and work with others towards finding a lasting solution? Nigerian citizens are too used to excuses. Administrators are always making excuses. If you don't know the issues bedevilling your state, don't aspire for office. If you know the issues but don't have any solutions, don't aspire for office. But seeking and gaining office, you are simply wasting precious time. Governors can't do anything with free Oil money; how the hell will Nigeria survive once Oil dries up or once these clever Japanese or germans develop a battery that is light and longlasting? Precious time is being wasted. That is my position. |
Politics / Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Katsumoto: 9:00pm On Nov 16, 2015 |
modath: How can you blame a bank? The bank is looking for a quick buck and don't forget that banks are taking risks by giving out these loans. You can't blame me if you come to me for a loan and I inform you that my APR is 46%. You have the choice of walking away. |
Politics / Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Katsumoto: 8:57pm On Nov 16, 2015 |
raumdeuter: What is the first step to be taken when there is a situation that requires change? According to most management books, you must create a sense of urgency by informing stakeholders of the dark consequences of inaction. The reason why there is usually political backlash is because these governors aren't sincere or competent enough. When you have fired civil servants, what have the savings being spent on? Fayemi was going about like an intellectual without actually doing anything and that's why he lost to a thug who promised 'stomach infrastructure'. Lets assume that Fayemi lost the election because he attempted to reduce the civil service, what else did Fayemi provide in Ekiti that could have helped him win the election? Serious politicians know when to make difficult choices. Thatcher is hated till today in the North of England because she closed mines that were no longer profitable and sustainable. The mines were draining the resources of the country that had taken IMF loans. Look at the turnaround in California by Jerry Brown; California was on the verge of bankruptcy before Brown saved the state with hard choices. Before you lay workers, you must have a plan with regards to what you will do with the savings which will concomitantly improve the standard of living of people in your state. No politician is going to be liked by everyone but the key is to be liked and accepted by a majority of your stakeholders. If you have no plan for savings from retrenchment exercises and you lay people off, or if you misuse or embezzle the savings then you will lose the election. Governors don't connect with their stakeholders, they are so distant. What happened to sensitizing the populace through a series of town hall meetings to spell out the choices to stakeholders? The only time citizens see their governors or reps is at election time. Lets assume your yearly expenditure on the civil service is N500BN. Over 4 years, that is N2T. If you lay 50% off and provide redundancy payments, it is possible to save as much as N1T even after making redundancy payments. You can spend the savings on policies that are geared towards economic activity such as good infrastructure, soft loans, cooperatives, IPP, etc Fayemi signed a contract with Samsung for the training of Ekiti youth but didn't provide a location for the said training. Instead Fayose came in and didn't honour the agreement with Samsung. What a bunch of dullards. Naija governors don't know their strengths and weaknesses. They can't appoint competent assistants. Nepotism and cronyism remain huge barriers to development in Naija. 1 Like 1 Share |
Politics / Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Katsumoto: 7:34pm On Nov 16, 2015 |
What exactly are these visionless, incompetent, and corrupt governors taking loans for?? Infrastructure remains decadent and quality of life remains poor. 1 Like 1 Share |
Politics / Re: Yoruba Commonwealth and Politics by Katsumoto: 7:31pm On Nov 16, 2015 |
May I suggest we don't make any incendiary or inflammatory comments that will inevitably draw posters and responses capable of derailing the thread. 2 Likes |
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