DeLaRue:



I dont see how State Policing can work effectively in the current failed arrangement. For it to work, it requires a degree of policitical and systemic maturity which are totally absent right now.


If someone commits a crime in Lagos and flees to his State in the East. Do you genuinely believe the State police authority in the other State will help with investigation and repartriation of the alleged offender in th current atmosphere of tribal suspicions and mistrust? I dont think so.





Besides, I just don't see the introduction of State police as an immediate necessity to fixing this country.

I agree

In addition, The State Police becomes the private army of whoever the governor/godfather is.

Again, I go back to my earlier point about leadership, no matter how noble or lofty an idea is, bad managers will implement it badly.

superstar1:


Katz,

It's really very refreshing to see you back here.

I miss your posts.

Please we need cerebral veterans on this thread. The likes of you, Dayokanu, Gbawe, Mayoroflagos etc.

@ Your Post,

Our economy might not be able to run entirely on tourism, but it can form an integral part of our economy, alongside agriculture, solid minerals and service/entertainment industry.

One of my fears about secession, as against regionalism, is the opportunity it will create for uncontrollable monstrous lords to rise within us and if care is not taken, there might not be a counter force to checkmate such.

I also strongly believe fixing power, solid minerals and rail system holds the key to the prosperity of SW and the unofficial regionalisation of our economy.

Thanks bro

On the money with the bolded. You run the risk of adopting feudalism if you secede as secession leaders will consolidate their power especially if its the current set of leaders.

modath:


Which is why we should agitate for REGIONALISM..

Nigeria is not designed for the SW's benefit..

Agitating for regionalism online won't do much good. The relationship between representatives (senate, house) and constituents is broken in Nigeria for many reasons. If people start to pressure their reps to push for Regionalism, then discussions can start. This is why I posited earlier that the issue is mainly leadership. Can the current Yoruba leadership not see these issues or is it that they don't care?

PrincessJaneDoe:

This is why I am a big fan of state policing.
Permit to think aloud and hopefully some of the veterans can correct me
Why can't our governments introduce road tax on state roads? e.g. Lekki toll
do indigenes and non-indigenes who do not reside in the state pay the same amount in state schools (primary - tertiary)?
Ditto state hospitals.

It would be unfair to introduce tax on bad roads. To tax roads, the government must first deliver good roads.

oduastates:



Merge O, Unmerge O, "Dismerge" O, or discharge.
Nothing will change.
Yes the tax collection system is archaic but in reality, Our people are already over taxed without any benefit.
Education trust fund tax ? We pay most of that as well while other states piggyback on our little allocation and social infrastructure.
Fact is the people are simply beating about the bush and denying the truth.
NO STATE,TOWN, CITY OR FARMING SETTLEMENT IN YORUBALAND IS UNVIABLE. THAT IS WHY THEY EXIST.
All of our cities were all viable city state before Nigeria. They remain so because of the way we organise ourselves, our culture and our values.
The western region was not organised as stated but as more compacts provinces.
The Ondo province
Akoko province
Ijebu province
Ekiti province
Abeokuta province
Benin province
Ife province.
Warri province
And so on.
The fact is that those provinces ensured even development of the homeland without swaddling us with the baggage of a useless FG and the expensive presidential system of government.
I some debates on tourism yesterday and I laughed.
We are never going to get a developed tourism industry without the peace dividend.
There will be no peace dividend as long as we remain in Nigeria.
Sorry to say, some people in Nigeria simply default to crime and violence.
Tourism alone has the capacity to feed the SW. Our people do not spare the change in order to indulge.We simply need to get out of the country first.

Administratively, states can be unviable in the long term. When you have too many states, you create too many ministeries which slows the pace of development and eats into revenue. What you want really are local governments that are closer to the people.

And no, tourism alone can't feed the SW. The nations that rely on tourism alone are very small nations with small populations. How can you develop the huge expense of SW Land and approximately 50-60 million people on tourism? Not all parts of the SW will contribute to tourism. Have you visited countries who mainly rely on tourism to see how the common folk live?

Leaving Nigeria is not going to be a solution because old feuds/rivalries will re-surface. It's better to be unified based on competition with other regions.

Current Yoruba leaders, from administrators to Afenifere, do not espouse the concept of Omoluabi. The ordinary yoruba person will be at the mercy of charlatans in an Odua only country. Pragmatic solutions can and must be found within the current dispensation because those at the center have not shown the appetite to change the structure of the country.

modath:


@ olori oko Katsumoto,

Me feel you entered my brain & "kidnapped" my thoughts, thank God i just found them in your last post..

Owo meta feyan kan..

Se ko waale, abi ko si duro soke?

E je ko wale.

yomexp:
salutations sir

Right back at ya.

Gbawe:


Oga katsumoto good to see you. Hope you will stick around. Some of my point is that Aregbesola got ahead of himself not planning properly in regards to some of his lofty projects but serious shortfalls in allocation compounded issues. Th FG knows the salary obligation of States and the FG has the duty of putting rainy day savings in place to help States stay afloat yet because of the corruption and wantonly gross looting of the PDP and GEJ many States got into trouble virtually the minute oil prices plummeted. There was no buffers in place at all and between 24-28 States could not pay wages. A responsible government will have no option but to take loans to pay salaries however he may wish to hold out if allocation has fallen by 50-70% and is taking at that level. All in all many governors did not plan well but there is proof they were blindsided by development such as falling oil price.

Many State were already in trouble from when GEJ unilaterally announced a minimum wage, binding on all, that many states could not pay. If we look at all issues as they are interlinked then it becomes obvious that SW governors did compound some problem but we're powerless to prevent others, which they did not cause, from becoming an Albatross around the neck of SW States. This is why I happy GEJ is gone as there is now a chance to repair the damage from the centre while the electorate at State level can do the needful to rove underperforming governors.

Lets look at the issues from a leadership perspective

It is clear to all that most states in Nigeria are not sustainable. Osun, Ekiti spring to mind in the SW. When a person becomes a leader, he must know most of the issues bedevilling his/her area of leadership. A first year university student should be able to tell you that most states have a bloated civil service. So why do governors maintain this bloated service? Isn't it so that they can use it a tool in the political arsenal?

Second, a situation where an administrator receives more than 90% of his revenue from the central government is a rather dangerous one and any wise administrator will do what it takes to increase the IGR of his area. What are SW governors doing in terms of increasing revenue? Not much if they struggle to pay salaries.

Third, in the face of the most austere conditions, how is it that ALL Nigerian governors are relatively wealthy? You don't need Sherlock Holmes to tell you that corruption is the source of their wealth. What I am driving at is that governors reserve their own corruption budget and then seek to execute what they can with they feel is the remainder of the budget.

So what are the solutions

1. Merge states but we know this won't happen due to pride and greed
2. Reduce the civil service but we know this won't happen because governors want to use the civil service to further their selfish ambitions
3. Increase revenue through agriculture, taxed services, tourism (but security must be improved first)
4. Reduce mismanagement & corruption
5. Reduce nepotism & cronyism
6. Increase expenditure on education, particularly for gifted students
7. Reduce the size of the underground economy from approximately 70% to at least 30%

There are brilliant people all over Nigeria but Nigeria will not progress if its the same professional politicians who continue to aspire to office at ALL costs. To surmise, the issue is one of leadership and not one of falling crude prices. Aregbesola, Fayemi, Amosun, Fayose, Mimiko, Ambode are all failures. They should step aside for better leaders.

Shymm3x:


Sir Katsumoto, the Emeritus Professor, I see you.


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Hahahahahaha

I dropped by last night; I even mentioned your handle. Hope you are keeping well bro.

Gbawe:



Shymmex, I don't support the high debt stock of the SW. Merely saying we look at the whole picture. Oyinlola, for example, took a loan of N18.3 billion before leaving office that Osun became saddled with. Most Nigerian States, detrimentally, are civil servant State devoting a large proportion of earnings to wages. These are vestiges of the indolent policies of the military boys at the centre. For many years.
When PDP then came in, the Party failed to change the status quo that will turn things round. If there is stable electricity then I expect the SME sector to grow in States and remove the burden of biggest employer of labour that is choking States.

We all know States cannot do much in terms of power supply other than build IPP which are still at the mercy of the FG because of gas, transmission and distribution issues. Power priatisation should mean that exactly instead the FG frustrated the effort of Lagos to bid for a DISCO that would move the state closer to meeting ita power needs. Jonathan opted to concede these DISCOs to cronies and political affiliates. Rail transport across Nigeria is still in the stone ages and the FG has done virtually nada in the past 16 years to move things along. There so many things that compounded the problem and to that end there are no singular scapegoats. This is my point.

But how much debt has Aregbe borrowed? Surely, the huge debt profile of Osun can't be as a result of just N18.3 Billion.

Going by some commentary here, it is obvious why the struggle to develop the SW is real.

The debate has turned to 'you guys are bad' and 'yes we are bad but you guys were worse'.

What can't be argued though is that there is failure to deliver and develop.

SMDH

Ibebe:


Ahhh where should I start?

I know you on FB.

But bros, come back on. This is a sensitive time for us, we need you, Gbawe, shymmex, dayokanu etc. You all know the complexity of Yorubaland, more than JJCs like me.

Hahahahaha

I have been very busy in the last couple of years but I do drop by from time to time. Only that the quality in this section has gone down considerably. But this topic caught my eye even though I have only read the last 2 pages.

Hope you are keeping well.

Ibebe:
Katsumoto


*faints*

Ibebe - new moniker but what is your old moniker?

I haven't read the entire thread but kudos to all asking pertinent questions.

In my view, the present SW Leadership is failing. Fashola apart, the others have been a disappointment - Aregbesola, Ajumobi, Fayemi, Amosun, Ambode, Mimiko.

There are no sustainable ideas from any of them. The sad part is that they are all missing a great opportunity.

Shymexx, Zimoni, Raumdeter, 9jacrip, Gbawe - Salutations to you all.

Gunners,

I know you chaps are still smarting from that loss to the hammers but please don't take it out on my Reds. Na beg i dey beg o.

1 or 2 nil is just ok. All that matters is 3 points. Lets not go for 3 or 4 nil. Deal?

Shymm3x:


Lol. Is that what folks sit on here everyday and argue about? Comparing a Terry that is more or less Puyol (another rubbish defender with a lot of heart) and Campo to a Boateng that is more or less Materazzi. Two lousy defenders but still 2nd rate.

If you have ever seen the likes of Hierro, Ayala, Sammer, Baresi et al play - you won't even waste time talking about the both of them lol.

Oi Katsumoto, shout me. I just wanted to ask you about the best time to go to Brazil on holz.

During the carnival is usually best in feb or march. If you are looking for some Yoruba history and culture, then you want to go to Salvador in Feb and March because the Yemoja festival is in Feb and then you can wait for the Salvador carnival which is the best street carnival in the world. If you want an extended holiday, then you can start with the new years party. Avoid June because there are lots of regional festivals which results in folk returning to their home towns. Salvador is also safer than Rio. And don't go alone.

raumdeuter:


Even AndreUweh show face today

Katsumoto shey na you hide am before?

airmark:


Shake am well, because you did nt use that head when you rated boatank higher than Terry at his peak. Forgotten you had condemned the weakling earlier as not one of the best defenders in the world. Let me remind you how Oscar sodomised him in the world cup when he is still in his peak, aged 26.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRwohp9T_l4

Are some of you so ill-trained that you don't know how to be civil?

Just ignore my posts if you can't be civil.

airmark:
Mr kashukato Katsumoto can you explain why boatank that you once confirmed no one heralded as best defender in the world, except Bayern fans can be adjudged as greater than John Terry at his peak?



Just today the mumu boatank added goal keeper duties to his responsibilities against hoffeinhem and the id'iot saw red.

You need to be suspended upside down with rope tied around your scrotum and flogged with 99 strokes of the cain for supporting boatank now.

I need to explain deduction reasoning to you SMDH

A40:

Boa-TANK has come a long way. His first season and parts of his second season at Bayern I would never have mentioned him among the elite. Absolutely not

However there's no need for Jigi Bola to recognize the boy has become a reliable rock in the heart of defence for teams that have gone on to win a UCL and a World Cup. Of course he is good for an error in a game but show me that defender who isn't

I have no care for individual awards or plaudits. Bayern is filled with players who never got their due credit in their playing days and I know better than to judge players on that

You totally hit the nail on the head. If Boateng is so bad then why on earth is he a surefire starter for two of the best teams in football. I wanna know like Meek Mill


You be oldie you suppose know wetin DSTV boys imply. People that think DM's are playmakers wetin make we call them?

Igba wo la discuss age? So ara e.

Ibime:
Can one of the eediots that keep mentioning that Ayew disgraced Terry explain the disgrace in the video below?

Terry was already on the ground having made a flying block on Ayews initial shot. How is this a disgrace?

But then again this is not the first I will be reading rubbish from that eediot Katsumoto who speaks big English and knows nothing about footie.

I wonder what a 'great' defender would have done from the ground.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NChtE2ahiyc

Dude

You have been frustrated for almost two years now.

Am I responsible for your frustration? Did I make your wife/girlfriend close her legs?

If you are frustrated and hor.ny, then use one hand to self-service while you use the other to waste your life away on NL?

If you are still not satisfied, let me know and I will willingly pay for a prostitute to drain the over supply of sperm that is flooding your brain.

Ki lo fo shi? asiwin

This is the last I will respond to your frustration. Adios

chic2pimp:


JT isn't just a product of English Hype. He is actually a Great defender(or was in his pom). Let's say it how it is abeg. That He has been able to maintain such a level of consistency over a long period of time says a lot about the Man.


With regards to the Henry comparison, you do know He is yet to score in a major final whilst DD has done that a number of times right?

I think that has to do with the British giving him credit for what others did and overlooking his errors in the same vein.

I remember Henry being interviewed some years ago in a game in which Henry didn't score. The interviewer asked what Henry thought of being marked out of the game by Henry and Henry, with an astonished look on his face, responded that it was Gallas who played against him throughout the game.

If another defender had been left liked a disabled man on the ground like Ayew left Terry 2 weeks ago, you would have been hearing from Rednapp, Murphy, Neville, etc about how useless that defender is.

But I guess, you (chic2pimp) can consider him a great defender. If Terry is a great defender, then Nesta, Ferdinand, and Cannavaro must be out of this world.

Shymm3x:


Lol. This is where you have been hiding, big Katz. I agree with you about Terry. But in as much as Terry is grossly overrated - Boateng is also a product of scheme/system. The both of them are birds of a feather.

England has only produced two world class central defenders - Ferdinand and Sol Campbell to an extent. Then maybe Tony Adams and Terry Butcher. Terry on the other hand so many vulnerabilities. He had Carvalho and Makelele for a long time. And Matic last season. If you want to know how rubbish Terry is - just get a direct or powerful striker with pace to go at him. But what he lacks in defensive abilities - he makes up for it with his heart and commitment. He can also get you goals in dead ball situations. I actually rate Ivanovic as a central defender higher than Terry, tbh.

Boateng also has so many vulnerabilities and he is far from a world class defender. It is basically just like comparing two second rate defenders - pointless really.

Brethen

Not hiding here; my first posts in a while.

I get your point but I still rate Boateng higher. I actually think Boateng doesn't get the required plaudits because he is an African playing for a country that was once ruled by Hitler and the Nazis. If Boateng had so many vulnerabilities, Germany would have considered more goals enroute to the finals and may not have even won the cup.

But I guess we get to agree to disagree on Boateng but agree on Terry.

A40:

Chale where you dey since? Please come and help us school awon DSTV boys!
I can't believe peeps are using FIFPro as a benchmark. An award Iniesta made 6 years in a row and Pirlo has only made once. That is not an award anybody should take seriously

DSTV Boys!!

That must be some kind of heavy diss; I can only speculate.

Individual awards are nothing more than popularity contests. Messi is the best player in the world no doubt but even he hasn't deserved every award he has won.

Terry is overrated; doesn't get exposed so much because he is part of a tight defensive unit at Chelsea. He has always had solid partners.

Boateng all day everyday over Terry.

Just my opinion.

On the evidence of the last three years and the misuse of so many talented players; Rodgers isn't going to take Liverpool forward. Unfortunately, we have owners who don't understand football very well. The only plus is that we do have some good players that can be used by a new coach, hopefully Klopp.

We will see how much progress Rodgers has made when they play Arsenal on Monday.

honourhim:

Case closed.
The elderly yorubas are giving a true account of Igbos while their young ones are here deceiving themselves with false believe. Now the truth is out from your elders, you young onea should kindly go and hide your faces in shame for paradiing false info all these years. Thank you. Ka chineke mezie okwu.

There is always diversity of opinion in Yorubaland. Ogunlewe is entitled to his opinion as are other Yoruba sons. Do not attempt to overplay the significance of Ogunlewe's opinion as if he is some sort of Awolowo. There are people in the US who believe that immigration should be allowed for all. Has that changed US Policy towards immigration?

In any case Ogunlewe is stating that Igbos, like other Nigerians, have contributed to the economic growth of Lagos. What he isn't saying is that Lagos will collapse if the Igbo left. There was Lagos before significant migration to it and there will be Lagos if there is migration away from it. Lagos, and other states, will benefit from migration away from Lagos.

Everyone talks about the economic growth of Lagos due to migration but no one talks about the demerits of migration to Lagos such as crime, overpopulation, environmental pollution, strain on infrastructure, etc. Other state administrators should be working on improving their own states and the indigenes of those states should be demanding accountability from their administrators instead of coming online to 'fight' for the ownership of another state.

Pataki:


GBAM! Where have you been hiding you this great man?!

Hope you will not run away Monday evening!

Don't worry you guys will get the 3 points. I have no hope in Brendan. I am just waiting for November and Klopp hopefully.

Just got real busy. Hope you are good.

PietroRico:

This is this man's first appearance here since Gerrard's slip

It sure did take u a while to recover

Geeez

If you submit an offer which is then beaten by another buyer, then you have been gazumped. Simples

All these talk of whether you had the means to increase your offer but didn't is unnecessary.

You wanted an item but someone else beat you to it.

So many economically ignorant folk making silly comments.

When a group of people leave their land to move to a foreign area, they do so because they believe there are opportunities that exist in the foreign land which do not exist in their own home. You only need to create the same or better opportunities in your home and the migrants should return home. Surely it shouldn't be too hard for this people who make Lagos what it is to create this opportunities at home? Or is it a case of talking out of one's ar.se? Talk is cheap. If migrants can make a foreign land great, surely they can make their home greater.

Why worry about what happens to Lagos if you leave? Let the owners, indigenes, and administrators of Lagos worry about Lagos.

Shymm3x:


And the Duke of Yorubaland is here!

Good to see you again, Sir.

Anyhoo, I need to ask you a few things about what's going on in Ife and the selection of the next king, since the place is important to all Yorubas.

SirShymexx

Glad to see you too.

9jacrip is more of an authority on Ife matters. He is from there and I believe he is very active in that circle.

Nevertheless, regardless of what rumours or stories are out there, only the king makers know what will guide their selection of the next Ooni.

But if its a general question, I may be able to help.

AustineE1:
Op pls do not misinform the populace,atleast we read about the Kiriji war and no where was it mentioned that Ekiti Parapo or Ibadan purchased canon guns.It was stated clearly from the book i read,that the war was notable for its use of charms,even Obadoke Latoosa whom you said was a general,was refered to as a notorious babalawo(native doctor). I dont know where you got your story line from,its full of sensationalism.
And history puts it that the war only ended when the Fulanis joined the Oyo empire and it was observed that their intention was to take over the entire Yoruba land,and equaly enslave the populace,this made the war weary yorubas to immediately call for a truce....the book simply puts it that the coming of the Fulanis was the game changer. Pls get your facts right.

What book are you referring to? So we can ascertain why it doesn't have that Ekiti Parapo used Cannons.
Was it the same book that referred to Aare Latoosa as a notorious babalawo? It is obvious you don't know the differences between a Babalawo and a native doctor or medicine man.

You completely missed the boat with your comment about Fulani joining Oyo. Who were the Fulani and Oyo participants in the war? Where did they fight their battles? I think you should take your own advice in getting your facts right before venturing into a debate you are ill-equuipped for.

kilokeys:
Hnmm.. I think i know why it lasted for 16 years..

Both parties were busy shouting.. Ahhhh Ahhhh emi emi.!! for a cummulative time frame of about 15 years 6 months..

Damn but this shi.t is funny