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nezer76: u av just said it all igbinedor or whtever name or status he is in the legal luminary i think he fails to or he is blinded to the provision of requirer statues and provisions in the last part of ChapterIV of the amended 1999 constitution ,section 46 says"Any person who alleges that any of the provision of this chapter has been, is likely to be contravened in any state in relation to him may apply to a high court in that state for redress" a clause has degenerate from this provision which is 'in relation to him'the position of the law is crystal clear on this 'anyone who deem fit that his/her right has been infringed upon 'may' which is conditional approach d court, nt d lawyer or sympathizer. If dis girl felt agrrived over the slap their re people in the position of her local parentee who can apply 4 service of igbinedon nt igbinedon standing as a cousel and a victim. So it conotes therefor that the case is dat of barister igbinedon vs. Oyedepo instead of d poor girl vs. Oyedepo . To this effect i think barister igbinedon has no locus standi to pursue this case in question. On another development lets assuming the learned jugde of d court of first instant did nt in his magnanimum sarcasity throw out d case as he did moreso that the accaimed cousel to this girl successfuly bring her to d court for claims, i believe igbinedon shld know that in tortious offences like this, certain things must be proved b4 claims are awarded. (1). Degree of damage section 34 ,1999 const. Of Nig "every individual is entitle to respect for dignity of his person and accordingly (a)no person shall be subject to torture or inhuman or degrading treatment(b) no person shall be held in slavery or sertitude and (b)no person shall be required to perform force or compursory labour. But according to Niki Tobi J.C.A while deciding a case of lik manner says"the word torture etymologically means to put a person to some form of pain which could be extreme. It also means to put a person to some form of anguish or excessive pain"..from this i know that the degree of pain inflict in d cause of assult is also important. So d lawyer needs to prove to d court dat the victim suffers great damager from d cause of the slap. It is nt enough that he slaped somebody and it is on video footage as evidence that attracts compensation it is material that u prove that u incur some form of damage or peril and to the best of my understandin the only damage this little girl can suffer is just d name 'u are a witch' called by friends or relatives which for now it immaterial via her age under d law she is recognise as a'minor' who can only sued through her next of kin or any1 in her local parenties whom igbinenor is nt any. He has also failed to present b4 d court registry a consent of authority from d girl showing that he has being authorize by her to prosecute oyedepo on behalf. Upon all these it shows dat he is only actin in his personal capacity. Dont let us also forget that consent is a vital element in pursuing liabilities like this. Oyedepo is the owner of his premises the only duty of care he owed his church members is reasonable measure of security to absord him of negligent exclude reasonable slap in d course of his ministration which i think is one of the reasons y d young girl came there. Let look at it frm this point a footballer who march to d football pitch shld definately be expecting assault 4m one corner or d other during d course of d match bt have we ever heared of a court where dis player are tried 4 all these attacks. It is simply becos their consent to all dis injuries has been automatically drafted out d moment they put in for the game this is an important exception we must note i.e consent for any spiritual activities has been presume given to leaders of d church d moment u steped into the church premises nt to talk of going to the pastor's alter. Finally there is no court in d whole world even the so called european convension who assumesd a pionering role in the enforcement of human right, that will awards compensation to a non juristic person 'miss justice' as barister iginedon called it is nt an entity created by or known to d law it is simply a persona non gratta so can not sue in any court or be sued example assuming it is 'miss justice' who slaped oyedepo who would oyedepo sued? In conclusion barister iginedon has done well in seeing an injustics and fight for it but he shld endevour to take up cases dat re more reasonable and life changing. We have a lot of awaiting trails detainees in our prisons nationwide let him take up one instead of witch hunting ministers God abt at least if he succeeded he has successful given life 2 sm1 unjustly incarcirated than pursuing an impossibillia 2billon naira damages

You wrote rubbish! although I'm not a lawyer, when did assault become negligence?? It is a simple case of assault and could extend to a criminal liability. Also there is no implied consent for the loss of one's dignity in a place of worship, there is no exercise involving physciality, the only common interest there is to worship but being battered publicly.

This isn't torture either, and its standards wouldn't be used against simple assault.

Especially in matrimonial cases, names of the parties are found substituted with alphabets and whatever, despite not being juristic persons.

Hope you know what persona no grata means?!

Deep Sight: Obviously you were born to fill the deficit of st.upidity existing in the world at the time of your birth.

That deficit is now no longer existing: in fact there is a surplus of st.upidity now in the world:

As such your existence is no longer required.

I will recommend that you commit a quiet suicide by hanging in your bedroom as a generous and altruistic gift to humanity,

Much appreciated.

I remain,

Your comrade in the defense of human intellect,

Deep Sight

Unsurprisingly the guy might be an IT or banking professional, or some sophisticated field. But in matters of religion, the spirit of stupodity descends upon him.

frosbel: absolutely my dear, sometimes you have to put these atheists in their place , they have the impression that Christians are ignorant uneducated fools who don't have Jobs .

Cheers.

Mireda didn't portray a good image either.

lilcutie8916: Since evolution is the main reason we re here why hasn't a new species of human begin to surface . I believe evolution is a theory developed by a derailed mind (darwin) because the other option (GOD) is not acceptable to him so any else is acceptable , and the world (well mainly atheist in self denial) accept this because the concept of a higher beign is not acceptable to them. Stop ur denial and accept the truth.

Because if you managed to read something on evolution, you will the aware of the time factor. Also its undeniably clear that new species somehow appear.

Uyi Iredia: It is explained by a being which is responsible for laying down all existing cause-effect relationships. That being is God.

Btut you are claiming God caused the cause-effect relationship! This is an a contradiction! Either the cause and effect relationship pre existed God or not.

abproffy: Although am not in support of him slapping the girl.
Why is i† that the white garment churches in nigeria that flog people in name of deliverance, have not been taken to court by any of their victims.
When almost all if not all end up on a hospital bed after the said deliverance.

That's because the "victims" consent to it.

hardywaltz: All dis lawyer sef with plenty plenty grammar, this guy is just looking for cheap publicity, he will definitely have this case thrown out again by the Appeal court duh I'm not a lawyer but I think common sense should be able to tell me dat his case is very very weak.
Thou I wish he succeeds and throws dat Oyedepo and his puff puff cheeks behind bars for what he did to dat poor girl.

Courts frown against violence, a way will be found to find Oyedepo liable.

miredia: I spent several hours scrolling down pages to pages and made a critical observation of a trend where folks try to use their physical cognition in deciphering things of the spirit. Folks it will never EVER add up to you. These transcends just being academically saavy or being an impeccable philosopher. The things of the spirit are totally different fron the physical. There are laws that govern the spirit and the physical.

Using ur technique, one can create skeptical free alternate reality

Rap is definitely not poetry OR seen as such. Neither is it seen to have content. Besides lupe is retiring, so much for rap then.

Singing is an art

lilcutie8916: My bible made predictons of alexander,cirus, merdes and persia, roman empire, etc and it all came through in exact details pls do explain that.

This is a radical different claim from saying God exists, cos you are saying the authors have within their immediate knowledge, God. Through whom you know God via hearsay.

So we are to question the knowledge of those writers, the time in which it was written, possibly of error, etc.

Uyi Iredia: Fact 1: Our solar system is perfect, just perfect for preserving life on earth and that's a fact.

Fact 2: Living creatures didn't evolve from other living things. Natural selection fails from the start because it is a reification of Nature. Nature lacks cognition and cannot select for new organs anywhere, anyhow and that's a fact.

Fact 3: God exists and you have as evidence the rock-solid law of cause & effect which is the basis of scientific investigations. An indepent cause effects a dependent event.

Which in turn leaves us with a paradox, because causality as a physical principle is yet to be explained.

fellis: So your problem is not that God doesn't reveal Himself, it is that He uses mysteries to do so?
Anyway for your info, God reveals Himself in different ways to different people. An atheist like yourself became a believer not from witnessing mysteries but from reading books and broadening his knowledge of the origin of the earth and human beings. Besides these 'mysteries' serve to let you know that a spiritual realm exists and that everything isn't all about the logical and physical.

God is the explanation for what we don't understand. Mysteries being mysteries don't make a statement other than that we humans are not omniscient.

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Perfect!

Buddhism pursues self realization, so one can be a Christian and a buddhist

fellis: Wiegraf you have never experienced anything of the supernatural?

There is no such thing as supernatural, just inconsistent explanations.

lilcutie8916: No facts how typical i was expecting some form of very super inteligent mentaly independent people as u call urselves.

What facts were you expecting?

"Love is the absence of judgement" Dalai Lama

The fact is the Christian god is assumed to exist and yet incomprehensible

Most christians hang their dearest beliefs in the public square

k2039: From a knowledge of God's work we shall know Him~Robert Boyle

That already presumes god.

lilcutie8916: i dont get ur point pls elaborate.

A supernatural world will be one that lacks a constant personality, its irrational.

I have issues with the supernatural gods, cos if there were those, this would be a supernatural world.

Lack of specialization is killing the legal profession.

Also nigerians aren't aware of shi.t, its against a codified ethic for lawyers run around instigating cases and issues. Nigerians have to by themselves enforce their rights.

Love that scene!! Tuco switched btw two extreme emotions in a matter of seconds.

And fact is we have zero idea of what these aliens are like or their capabilities. Whether they are intelligent or entirely bestial, their handiwork/footprints. What Martian mocks are recognizably wild speculations.

Deep Sight: I agree with the existence of the spiritual. NOTHING can make me cease to believe in its existence - because of my personal experiences. I have often spoken about the pattern of my dreams - but this is evidence of nothing to no one but myself as only I can know what I have experienced. I can tell it to others, but they will eternally be right to assume I am hallucinating or even lying, so long as they have not experienced such themselves. I personally know very well that most future events are already programmed into reality and can be said to be even completely unavoidable no matter what one does. I am tired of seeing future events in my dreams and doing everything possible to stop them but they still play out exactly as dreamt. Let me just stop here before Martian and his ilk break my head and call me delusional.

Why do u tie dreams to spirituality, why do u tie future timeframes to spirituality? Why not the physical?

kokoA: Samuel L Jackson and John Travolta in Pulp Fiction.

John travolta played his role as the passive partner well, didn't try to overshadow Jackson

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This is a question of internal inconsistency of Christianity, also it evaluation of good and bad in respect to his self.

First the Christian god is taken to be a pre-existent perfect being and creator and responsible for all existence, it is either both existent beings adopt their personality from the characterless void of nothingness or from God's Nature therefore all that exists is tied to his Nature and a reflection thereof.

Evil is a consequence of imperfection. An imperfectly crafted to align with its purpose or work harmoniously without conflict with other creations.

"The Speculean Explorer case demonstrates a dilemma, all the characters including readers acknowledge a fundamental interest to survive which is accomodated by the first judge, but the circumstances was not contemplated by law.

The potential results of the conflict will still be taken as evil.

Hurricanes, earthquakes and other natural disasters working in counter and opposition to Life and its goal to live also demonstrÀtes evil.

Ppl who commit suicide as a result of depression is another sad case.

One must ask is this the handiwork of a perfect being?

Uyi Iredia: If you can believe so-called apelike ancestors turning into men. And thed universe popping out of nothingness . . . with the help of nothing ! I sure can defend talking donkeys and 'moving stars'.

At least you have accepted that they are irrational.

Enigma: A propos the attitude of the evangelical atheists and reactions of others etc:

The first thing is that the evangelical atheists (and others who have not looked closely) like to put out the myth that atheists are particularly intelligent. The truth is that when a truly intelligent person seeks to engage in debate with the evangelical atheists you are soon shocked at how shallow (and even intellectually dishonest) many of them are actually.

This is not just about Nairaland evangelical atheists (although the case of most of them is incredibly bad and can be ridiculously juvenile) but has also been pointed out about the leading evangelists and bishops of the evangelical atheists like Dawkins, Harris, Dennnett etc etc and even in the specific case of theology the same was pointed out about Stephen Hawking by no less than Britain's former official number one scientist.

See this post and the whole of this thread where painstaking effort was taken deliberately to show the lack of depth of evangelical atheists' standard arguments. https://www.nairaland.com/298119/30-keys-being-effective-atheist/4#9584483


Because I like one particular line so much I will extract it here. Interestingly, the statement was made by a person who is himself an atheist. Per Terry Eagleton

Dawkins' case is so bad that, for all his achievements elsewhere, I regard him as a theological dunce.

Dawkins is really impressive, he is able to draw out the conflicts and clashes btw religion and science along with their epistemological consequences.

Your portrayal of atheism as a religion in the name of evangelical atheism is wildly inaccurate

Consequently, both the Devil and yahweh are gods but with different perspectives and both are almighty creators, right?

jayriginal: No, Newtonian is physics on one scale and quantum physics is on another scale.

Newtonian physics is incomplete