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i'm expecting the verse! olaadegbu

FAshola is an idiot, how he got that SAN without contributing to Nigerian jurisprudence is not surprising, corruption is not NEW in Nigeria. [quote author=~Bluetooth link=topic=361952.msg5066302#msg5066302 date=1260201658]Lagos is a mega-city and curbing street-begging is not a bad idea.How many beggars parade the streets of new york or london.So if fashola took such initiative,then it shouldnt be tribalized.He's only trying to meet up the challenges of a modern city[/quote]do you think mega cities are created by deporting beggars? fashola must have being deceiving you.

he is being cornered. he made an assertion and on being called to prove it, he can't.

i cannot believe this! these are unfortunate humans, who mainly because of their disability are unable to get employment especially when able-bodied people are unable to find too. begging should not be an inconvenience to us, i think that a better approach was to create empowerment schemes, rather deportation and concentrate on planting flowers. besides, the constitution has granted freedom of movement, therefore they can be deported. and fashola is a muslim! the Prophet would not have done that.

it is as simple as this, the writers of the bible who were inspired by "God", did not mention DNA or ecology nor credit them to God. thus, why then attribute it God? this were findings of science, by methods different from those employed by religion.  evolution is a result of truth and science, founded by methods of science. not on dogma.                                                                                                                                                                                                                        @ olaadegbu, lee has at the back of his mind, a prejudice that God exists.

davidylan:
this is daft because what you dont realise is that fossils themselves are the greatest problem that the theory of evolution has had to contend with. For instance you said this . . .

the fossil records however tell a very different story. There are NO simpler or intermediate life forms to document the slow progress of evolution. What we have rather are fully complex life forms (some as old as 450m yrs) that proof that rather than a gradual transformation from single-celled organisms to the complex, thousands of organisms are the same as they were millions of years ago.

There are no "hominids" . . . what we have are the false interpretations of pseudo-scientists like you who are desperate to fill in the "missing links" that their theories have thrown up.

come up with better excuses pls.

you are totally wrong, fossils from time to time provide the missing link btw the bridge of two related organisms. provide evidence to the contrary! you merely dismiss hominids with a wave of your hand. i tort you were a scientist. provide the evidence.  you are incapable of proving your God, you hang on the hope of disproving us. he is an illusion and an imaginary image formed in your childhood days.  no evidence from you still.

davidylan:
which of these did you answer?

And they came way before your alleged question. As regards your nonsense about evolution going from a simple step to a complex one . . . how does evolution explain the pigmy horse? How does it explain us going from tiny single-celled organisms to giant dinosaurs and then back to tiny humans and single-cells again? Are we retrogressing in size and age?

so who made fossils and dated them. evolution takes time, that is why direct observation of the origination of new species is hard to find.and fossils are hard evidence, also hominids that are found are what? were made by the devil? who would believe a religion that holds a demon of malaria responsible for malaria? that is sick. pls prove your religion?

avsnet:
Religion says BELIEF and you will UNDERSTAND, Science come to say UNDERSTAND and you will BELIEF. Now I ask which is easier?

hey, i did not say the earth was created in 6 days and the mighty one rested afterwards, from such a tiring feat. or that the earth was flat. or God was above us(Yuri Gagarin did not see anybody, maybe they were invisible), or global flood. i brought my evidence but dogma SHUT YOUR EYES. show me yours!

evolution is progressive from a simple step to a complex one. hey davidylan, i'm still expecting your answer. but the all-knowing bible did not explain this vital story huh?  the part of dinosaur is in our story.

"why your God was creating billions of planets in space", this was how this bird was evolving to fufill different niches.

why didn't your God tell us about this or its the devil's handiwork?

davidylan:
What is the relevance of this drivel? Read the question you quoted . . . Evolution is not even considered a "fact". Can you provide us the "hard evidence" supporting evolution? Where did you provide the "hard evidence" supporting evolution as you stupidly claimed earlier?

What has "natural selection" to do with evolution? Going by Tudor's earlier claim that God should have made DNA perfect, natural selection would not even exist! You people are the most confused goons on earth.

What a foolish assertion. What part of my post where you responding to again with this irrelevancy? You claim that science is making "discoveries" but when we push you to tell us you come back light years later spinning worthless yarn.

What part of "ecology" do you even understand? The bible did not say too much on ecology but at least it taught me enough not to stupidly ask for the reason a toad was created unlike you "scientist".

Please next time make sure your responses are dead-on point, i for one am growing sick of your silly games. Its ok not to be knowledgeable about science, its NOT OK to try to pretend you understand science simply to use it to excuse your own godlessness.

why is that when you asked to prove your religion, i don't get an answer. machines evolve( i do not mean  biological), from simple to complex ones. how can you explain the existence of dinosaurs and their extinction and what role they played. at least your bible did not say so. why didn't the creator mention the millions of planets he created?  its your religion that has no facts to back it. science is a separate entity from religion.

davidylan:
I am a scientist and i know this is NOT TRUE. Evolution is not even considered a "fact". Can you provide us the "hard evidence" supporting evolution?

funny enough, religion is backed by facts, huh? if fact which of the religions? what kind of scientist are to believe creationism. evolution has well-documented studies and research unlike religion(koran or bible is sufficient), it is on the face of facts that conclusions are made.  mutations in dna composition of organisms is instrumental natural selection.

davidylan:
It is a critical part of the ecological food chain without which a lot of the organisms we depend on for survival would not exist. Would you also ask what the purpose of grass was?

so God bothered himself to construct such complex food structures when he can let manna rain from heaven. why did he keep away all this knowledge from us why is that science makes all these discoveries?  the bible educate you on ecology?

KunleOshob:
Lets even assume that the above hubris you wrote here is true doesn't common sense tell you that the DNA/genes were programmed to to transfer the desirable traits to the next generation And obviously a programme requires a programmer who in this case is the creator God.

what is the purpose of a toad pls?

viaro:
Do I repeat my initial rejoinder to you? This is it:

Kay 17, if you don't know what you're talking about, just shut up. You make matters worse for yourself by pretending to talk about science and yet demontrate you have no clue what you're talking about but just trashing wildly about for your lose. If you're trying to buy time, I can give you all the clocks in the world to waste as much time as you want. . . until you can reason a bit more intelligently.

i have mentioned the function over and over again and its place in the theory of evolution, what else do you want? filling your head with those nonsense bible stories is no good to you.

noetic15:
Your assertions are very FALSE. science is NOT a religion neither is it an alternative to religion. science and xtinaity are NOT mutually exclusive
There is nothing scientific that has been opposed by Christianity. . . . . . , for a start,evolution aint even science. Evolution is a FAITH concept, so also is atheism and other dogmatic claims that are ignorantly hidden under the banner of science.

True science is not at war with xtian beliefs.

what are you spewing out? science is birth from evidence and facts not blind belief, both use different methods in finding answers to the phenomena around us. both are in conflict. it is almost impossible for science to strive under religion because science would be subjected to the prejudice of the existence of a creator and some demons. in the middle ages were religion was dominant, science achieved little growth. Issues like the shape of the earth, heliocentrism, stem cell, evolution depict the dogmatic nature of religion.  evolution has hard evidence. creation story any proof? lets start with the age of the earth. it is reasonable to have atheists because religion is based on belief and not reason or facts, (thats why there are thousands of religions), therefore there are some that have not fallen into the pit of ignorance. provide conclusive evidence of your God and why your religion is different from others.

christianity claims that man was formed by God from sand and you posit that the presence of DNA and its programming features suggest a designer. but how does sand and programming instructions mix? but the presence of DNA fits exactly into the evolution theory. in the 15th century, in europe, it was thought that the looks of the midwife was going to be transferred to the baby. the role of DNA is to contain the genetic information. sounds better than sand and programming mixed together.

a good man without being baptised would go to hell?

yes, a car has a maker and a purpose, a painting has a painter and has a purpose. but why did God create a toad?

viaro:
Thank you, Kay 17 for attempting an answer. I'm only afraid you didn't answer the questions - not at all. Aside the tale you're telling, please try another look at the questions and see if you have this 'core' thingy for your claim:

What exactly is the 'core' of evolution that it backs up?

How does your 'core' reason out how DNA came to be what it is in the first place?

Your response was that 'dna carry the information or genes that is necessary for an organism to function and develop' - yes, but was anyone saying that DNA do not carry such things? Was that the question I asked? You can see it's not.

aren't you aware of the theory of evolution. the process of survival and reproduction and transfer of a desirable trait to the next generation. dna holds the genes. don't you see the connection.

viaro:
Please answer the damn questions and stop making silly  excuses! When folks like you come to the end of yourselves, you want to blame your void of thought and reason on 'God'. What exactly is the 'core' of evolution that it backs up? How does your 'core' reason out how DNA came to be what it is in the first place?

dna carry the information or genes that is necessary for an organism to function and develop. therefore, to decipher it would take deeper in understanding evolution and even how to replicate it.

noetic15:
Do u know the meaning of science at all?. Human inquisition is best explained as science.
So if by human knowledge we understand the intricate programming involved in human cells. . . . . .how do we explain their diversity, authenticity and originality?
Does it not require a more intelligent being to write such?. . .

There is nothing in the O or about DNA that generally supports evolution. . .for crying out loud.
how do u ascertain that creatures transfer advantageous traits to next generations using DNA? . . . . is it a coincidence that no two persons DNA are the same?

intelligence might be expensive. . . . .but try knowledge.

you are right in the definition but, science with time and the direct opposition it has received from religion has been formed into an institution which is founded on truth against religion founded on belief.  Galileo can testify to that, and today it faces the same blind opposition from religion on matters like stem cell and evolution. at the end of the day, they seek to share the fruits yielded by science.

Instead of that old goat to think of better ideas to alleviate poverty and improve security and improve transport system, he is planting flowers

then God shuld be responsible for the evils of man since man would be subject to the programming and would be unable to act beyond what he was instructed to do. (i am not conceding to theists), just saying this contradicts the bible.

this is lagos.

if you were giving them the money to further their education, maybe they wuld do so. but all they succeed in doing is to frustrate job seekers and probably increase unemployment rate. stupid govt

all that amid poverty. it is not strange, it was from the most poverty-stricken, most ignorant times and places of the earth that the catholic church built their massive cathedrals. meanwhile there are millions of that die from hunger, poverty and diseases. Winners means of solving it, is to waste huge sums of money on a building? is this an example of Jesus love?

presido1:
If this continues i suggest Fash run as an independent candidate come 2011. Let him not listen to any offer from PDP as he will go from grace to grass.
I knew Tinubu is a thug but he will not succeed this time. Legocians should stand by Fash and by His grace he will come over this BS from Tinubu.

Why do Nigerians/Nigeria hate positive things.

Tinubu is a dirty man, Fashola is a dirty man. both came together and formed an unhealthy alliance to plunder Lagos. if Fashola was such a good leader, how would he be hanging around with this or that godfather. we need a true leader not a demagogue.

pls abuzola, is Satan a God or a person? what the actual nature of his person?

@ poster, why then did science take up the challenge to discover it? it more or less backs up the core of evolution. it proves the ability and form with which creatures can transfer advantageous traits to the next generation and with time make a big difference. Stick to the 6 day creation story.

bjmighty:
I dmitted your exhibition of foolish-dity! Are you sane at all?

Oh The-Amaka!! Yes! Politicians like Fashola are rare in our today's Nigeria politics. He has made all past governors of Lagos state and all other state governors look like zombies and real Jaguda. Am with you on this The-Amaka because its the first time you not hating.

Pls no beef ooo

bimighty must be one of those self-acclaimed quack native doctors, do you think that we are still in the age of ignorance and darkness? you think everyone is blinded by demagogues like you? such words like haters are used by failures when they are unable to express themselves. sha sha Yar dua shuld be hailed for proposing 6000mw in dec 2009 and for ending the strike.

@ becomrich, that system would work for everyone. because each region would be allowed granted autonomy and be under the umbrella of Nigerian defence, perfect combination. Southern Sudan is an example. the present system was by the military on the basis of divide and rule sorts. very small states to control the military guvnors and not for self-development.

Adebayor has been unjustly criticised and ostracised for failing to produce SuperMan stunts and performances in Arsenal but today, he was in the forefront to prove to the world that Man City is a force to be reckoned with in Premiership and ultimately Europe. I hope he would provide over 30 goals. If Arsenal had had him last week, that ignominious loss to Chelsea at home would not have happened.