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BraveGuy: 1. . . @Kay17.... it seems the moderator for this thread or Seun Osewa or a super moderator has a personal hatred for me and is using (misusing) his powers to suspend/ban and delete my comments. I have posted the below comments TWICE and it has been deleted each time. Perhaps, the person thinks I'm clueless as to how the script behind this site works or how the Internet works. Well, I am also an Internet Marketing Consultant and Analytics experts, so I have a near perfect understanding of these things. If not, why was I prevented from making comments like everyone else? Gstar says it's conspiracy theory and was saying it's antispambot and giving excuses, it's a lie!

2. . . You seem to ignore my explanation because you already have what you wanted to say pre-pared. English language today is not what it used to be just four hundred years ago.... "Thee" and "Thou" has been replaced by "you", "okay" is now being gradually replaced by "cool". The same goes with traditions and cultures, while some have strongly resisted change, but they have not really escaped the influences of modernization.
3. . . Tell me what is better out there.
Things Fall Apart?
Animal Farm?
The God Delusion?
Satanic Bible?
Tao Te Ching?
Occult Books?
Yoga Books?
John Rockefellar Bio?
The Richest Man in Babylon?
The Dresden code?
Wicca Books?
Babalawo books?
Quran?
Please educate me, which of these matches the excellence of The Holy Bible?
While I have not read all the books in the world, I have read quite a bit and while some are informative relevance, most are just informative junk! None matches the length, breadth, height and depth of the Bible. No other has some 40 authors from different continents, write with specificity, coherence, essence and unity as the Bible, which was written over a period of 1500 years. And you know what, all the 66 books have a CENTRAL theme about them - Jesus Christ. All are in agreement!
Present me ONE and we will put it through a few tests to see if it matches up!

1. I sympathise with you deeply in respect to the mistreatment received.

2. I was talking about Creation Myths which are inventive plots developed by all cultures and civilizations across the world NOT grammatical structures nor modernisation on languages. What you addressed was over what I said.

3. Good list. However you earlier claimed that God wrote the Bible, now you saying there were 40 auuthors! That is apparently inconsistent. It is either God wrote it singly OR amongst the 40 authors. Now if 40 human authors wrote the Bible, how was any of them able to witness the beginning of the Universe?

It is found to be strange that we can't go back in time.

tdcministry: You need to have a relationship with God; when the Holy spirit dwells in you; you will understand my explanations

That will arise from the assumption that the Bible is true. The idea of the holy spirit in any sense is an assumption that there are indeed holy spirits!

Also you seem to believe that holiness is the only criteria for right living. But you must define holiness without hinging it on the Bible

tdcministry: Holiness is the best way of Life

It is a pretentious way to live.

BraveGuy: Hey Kay17.

A couple of years ago, I was was watching a BBC documentary on language variations around the world, I still remember one word that stood out - baba, papa, aba, father, etc. They all meant the same in every language and very similar in pronunciation.

You see ALL these myths about Creation stem from the SAME source!

After the Great Flood, from which came only 8 families, they all had the same story about the Creation. As they increased and spread out into various colonies around the world, variation formed in the story over time. If you gather some 10 of those stories from the different religions, you will find some common grounds in all of them.

Even many Christians don't know this fact. Let me take you even a step further. I guess you are aware that Moses made an ark of the Covenant for the tabernacle. Would you know that this ark was not the first? Prior to Moses' Ark, there were arks in Egypt and Mesopotamia and various places around the world. Why was this? I will refer you to the survivors of the Great Flood again. Those early fathers all had the knowledge of an Ark in Paradise and as they scattered, they made variations of this, too.

Now does this mean that there are several ways to God instead of Jesus? No. Why is my argument for Jesus Christ as being the ONLY way to God?

There is no one in history that has a matching credential as Jesus Christ. Every "messiah" in every religion of the world is tainted by sin and none claimed exception to sin except Jesus Christ. See this, a Few Prophecies about Jesus:
Micah 5:2 (Matthew2:1-6)
Isaiah 7:14 (Luke 1:26-28)
Deuteronomy 18;15,18,19 (John 7:40)
Zechariah 9:9 (John 12:12-16)
ISAIAH 53:1,3 (Matthew 26:3-4, John 12:37-38)
Psalm 118:22 (Acts 4:1-12)
Psalm 41:9 (Matthew 26:14-16,47-50. Luke 22:19-23)
Psalm 16:10 (Matthew 28:1-10, Acts 2:22-32)
Psalm 110:1 (Mark 16:19, Luke 24:50-51)
Isaiah 6:10 (John 12:39-40)

Jesus fulfilled these prophecies and much more! How many people in history have fulfilled anything close to 10% of these? None! It is further proof that the Almighty God was orchestrating the Person of Jesus all along.

To get a feel for the probabilities involved, consider this. An author and speaker named Josh McDowell calculated the odds of Jesus fulfilling only eight of the Messianic prophecies as 1 out of 10¹⁷ (a one followed by 17 zeros). This is equivalent to covering the entire state of Texas with silver dollars two feet deep, marking one of them, mixing them all up and having a blindfolded person select the marked one at random the first time.

I hope you will reflect on this before you make any conclusions, my friend. And should you desire, you may give your life to Him right now, wherever you are, just say these prayers with all your heart:
"Lord, I open my heart to you! Allow me to know You in my life. My Lord! Change me from inside. I accept You as my Saviour and as my Deliverer! Save me from my sins and wash my heart, my Lord! I put all of my life into Your Hands. Use me, O my Lord! Enlighten my heart, Lord, and let me overflow with love. My Lord, I receive You into my life in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen!”

You don't seem to read much outside the Bible. The purpose of a creation myth is to create a starting point by which human life is defined. The history and traditions are the foundations of every culture and civilisation, if there weren't any, a history would be invented.

So if I want to talk about the Chinese and their tradtions OR the Mayans and their traditions, their creation myths place them at the centre of attention. So also the Jews. If you manage to step out of their myths and use a panoramic view to see all the creation myths together, you would get a better picture.

@braveguy

Enjoyable honesty, it is appreciated. However you originally claimed God created the Universe, which you did not witness. It was quite an impossible claim. It was more like a joke. One can count over a hundred creation myths that revolve around cultures. Every culture has a creation myth including the Jews whose myth is contained in the Bible.

tdcministry: The devil doesn't teach holiness; get that into you

There is still the possibility.

@Braveguy

Now that the slate is clean. And the fallacy of God and the spiritual have been wiped off. The question of our existence ponders us. But the answers are more of speculative.

tdcministry: If the bible is false( which I know is not) what will be my loses for obeying the words there?

You wld be following the devil. following the wrong way of life.

I defined those earlier in this thread.

Good.

cococandy: Your free will and the will of God aren't mutually exclusive.
Your free will can let you decide to do good or evil
But it can't let you decide to win the lottery or get hit by lightening.

You are obviously confusing terms together and losing sight of their meanings. It seems you think all value judgments are as a result of freewill and magic is owed to divine will. Look at the Adam and Eve example, it is either their freewill OR of their divine will.

BraveGuy: Hey buddy, I was trying to follow your presentations as being intelligent, why not keep it that way?
I asked you to present to me a more credible source or theory of your existence and that of the world around you, you are trying to dodge it.

To validate my own theory, I must first clean the slate and eliminate yours. I must show the glaring flaws with yours prior to espousing mine.

BraveGuy: @ Kay17 or whoever thinks like and wants to help him....

Does it not impress you that you just suddenly appeared in a world that suddenly appeared?

Tell me or show me a better account than the one recorded in the Bible. Please, be aware that you are dealing with someone who knows a few things about Geological sciences such as geophysics and paleontology.

I am waiting to hear how you came into existence and also that of the world around you, wait.... you can start with the BIG BANG theory!

But you agree that all what the Bible says is hearsay?

BraveGuy: I already answered you, make your point.

It leaves one wondering how you got to know God created the universe

BraveGuy:

That would make me a unique being if I were to literally witness that process. However, God only created one human being from whom we have - Adam & Eve.

On the other hand, I can say, I am a witness to MYSELF being created, not physically, but soulically, if you can understand that.

But you did not witness God's creation of the Universe and creation of man, rather the Bible told you so and you strongly believe the Bible, right?

Don't you think science should be seperated from spirituality?

@braveguy

You don't understand me.

I will try another angle. Have you seen God ever creating Universes or a human being?

@cococandy

Your little sermon runs into a lot of problems. First there is the issue between freewill on one hand and God's Plan on the other. Freewill places the individual on the driver's seat and he/she steers her life into whatever direction he/she desires, while God's Plan is the direct opposite. God is in charge and not the individual. So one must make way for the other.

The second problem is reconciling God's loving nature with a divine plan for longlasting suffering. There is no enjoyable end or delight in watching others suffer other than cruelty. Since you don't believe God is cruel, he can not therefore endorse longlasting suffering. It is that simple.

The third problem is that there is a grand assumption that regardless of what happens (life's apparent meaninglessness) God must exist. I notice that in every Christian opinion in respect to meaningless suffering.

BraveGuy: Well, I just replied Weah96, I guess that should clarify my point. I guess he (weah96) was trying to get me to explain the fact of fate of the product as against my first reference of just the product itself.

No, what I raised is not the same with what Weah96 raised. And your reply does not clarify it.

@braveguy

Glad to interject at this point.

You have not made a logical connection between Michelangelo with the Sistine Chapel and God with the universe. The necessary deductive connection has not been made. Except you assert that "ALL intricate complexities are created by intelligent Creators". Then we can see link between Michelangelo and God.

@tdcministry

Let's raise the stakes a bit higher.

ASSUMING the Devil is so wise to the extent that he wrote the Bible and uses it as a device to deceive man. And furthermore he deceived you with a false vision. How then do you find your true bearings?

tdcministry: One can be deceived by the devil, if the Holy spirit is out of ones life

What if the Devil sent a demon that simulates the holy spirit effect and then gave you false visions? Remember the Devil is smart.

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For more revelations; to God be all the Glory

Come to think about this, the Devil is a cunning and deceptive being AND not as simple minded as humans are, isn't there the possibility that you were deceived by the devil?

malvisguy212: the question is so important to you , the atheist, I got noting to loose, if there is GOD, I will praise they Lord, if there IS no God, I got noting to lose. You on the other hand, if there IS God, MAY GOD HAVE MERCY ON YOU.

SO MY FRIEND, THE QUESTION IS RELEVANT. Thank you

So you have contemplated the possibility of no God existing?! And you are supposed to be 110% certain!

Image123: Absolutely ridiculous nonsense. Peter was with Jesus God. He saw Jesus do it successfully and received a clear go ahead from Jesus God before stepping out. Being with Jesus is a more sure sanctuary than any boat, He is the Author of life, remember.

Good.

Equally same goes to everyone expecting a miracle EVEN for the most trivial issue, just like Peter did especially when he was not in danger or found any necessity to walk on water; yet he did.

The thing today is that modern science and knowledge has washed off most of the faith in the world. And without faith, there is no God. God is dying out. People rely more in hospitals, universities. People prefer the Big Ban.g theory and evolution as against the Genesis account. People believe the Bible is more of an allegory than literal. Faith is dying out.

It is a secret.

Rather hypocrisy

malvisguy212: am not 100% sure there is God, but AM 110% SURE THERE IS GOD.

JUST ANSWER MY QUESTION, BETWEEN ATHEIST AND BELIEVER, WHO HAS THE ADVANTAGE?

Rather ask yourself whether the question is relevant since you are absolutely sure there is a God.

I secretly think empathy is overrated. . . Hardly can empathy be accurate, rather it is a reflection of my feelings supposing I was in the shoes of the person who is either experiencing or suffering. It is still my feelings but anticipated feelings.

malvisguy212: what if there is?what if you are wrong? Between a believer and an atheist, who has the advantage?

Honestly, I will not take the risk you are taking.

Which is it? Are you certain God exists or not?! A Pascal wager is always going to be irrelevant.

texanomaly: Well I don't know. He was a fisherman. I figure he knows how to swim.

Lol! Remember he was sinking/drowning when he asked Jesus to rescue him.