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ARSENE WENGER DELIVERS VERDICT on VAR after Mohamed Salah's goal for LIVERPOOL against MAN CITY


Liverpool's second goal against City was sent for a VAR check and the former Arsenal manager has had his say


Arsene Wenger says he backs VAR, but there must be changes to how the technology is used after Liverpool's clash against Manchester City.

Jurgen Klopp's side beat Manchester City 3-1 at Anfield to move nine points clear at the top of the Premier League table, with goals from Fabinho, Mohamed Salah and Sadio Mane enough to seal three points.

But Salah's goal in the first half sparked controversy after being sent for a VAR check for offside.

The Reds forward nodded past Claudio Bravo after getting on the end of a cross from Andrew Robertson.

But a replay appeared to show that the Egpytian may have been marginally offside as the ball was played into the box.

VAR checked Salah's goal against City at the Stockley Park HQ, and the PGMOL released a brief statement that said: "VAR checked for possible offside, and confirmed that the Salah goal was correct."

Speaking as a pundit for beIN Sports, former Arsenal head coach Wenger says he supports the concept of VAR but feels the technology is the issue.

"It [VAR] is working but it is not working on all occasions. It's better than before, you have more right decisions especially on offsides for example.

"You have to make a rule, the only uncertainty about offside is the timing when you stop [to check]. It has to be super accurate, it has to be right.

"If you have a player, a quick player, and he makes approximately nine centimetres in 0.08 seconds that's a big distance.

That's why the moment when you block the image it's absolutely vital especially if you have 25 pictures per second.

"I'm delivering a message, at the moment it's [VAR] manual with the help of what they call the key eyes, but I think it has to be completely automatic."

placeofallure:
You still dey watch? I lost the zeal to watch siiiiiince. It's heartbreaking to sit in front of my TV and watch Arsenal play with with dismal errors. I don tire abeg. I pray Unai is shown the door fast enough so I can have my Arsenal back.

Please don't stop watching ok as Our prayers might soon be answered seriously.

Honestly, it's � Breaking to ARSENAL turn to a defensively boring Team with no coordination whatsoever.

Imaging experimenting with a 3 man defence line for the first time against a high scoring side in the EPL this season?

EMERY OUT PLEASE.

Aturitoroman:
VAR is ruining the fun of football ..

And they said VAR will make things better

The EPL is responsible for the mess though because the other top 4 European leagues-LA LIGA, SERIA A, BUNDESLIGA and LEAGUE 1 allows the center referees to have a personal viewing from the pitch side monitor before making any final decisions except the EPL.

But a meeting of stakeholders has been scheduled for Thursday 14/11/2019 for a possible reversal of the the restriction in the EPL

Cityfirstborn:
its obvious the FA wants liv to win the league, which is not going to happen.. new rule states any handball especially when your arm is not in a natural position is a penalty, intentional or not..2 clear penalty call ignored, same way Liverpool won penalty against Tottenham in UCL..
VAR is working in all the major league except the EPL

Don't worry Brother. everything would soon change from this Thursday November the 14th because

https://www.nairaland.com/5521265/var-referees-chief-mike-riley#83911585

lordprogress:
Chia the thing they pain me for here I want say make them win liverpool before.
I pity Chelsea when them go come Manchester upper week.

True though but VAR might save them should the referee wants to avenge the rubbish Manchester city got today because

https://www.nairaland.com/5521265/var-referees-chief-mike-riley#83911585

lalasticlala Dominique

Clementoke:
Today's away win by Wikki Tourist is their first in 3 years

That is sign that the League (NPFL) is improving for the referee to have allowed that to happen without giving any frivolous penalty for possible equalizer for the fear of lynching from the home Fans.

TheSuperNerd:
It was as if Kyle Walker saw this coming...

BR Football did this after the UCL matchdays ahead of this clash... And the look on Kyle's face in this says it all... Lol

So Ndidi and Leicester are sitting Second in rhe EPL going into the international break. Tales I love to hear...

And they could sit there for a long while too because Next up after the international break is the below.

somehow:
Yes that was the rule.

If that is the case, Then my innocence still remains unperturbed because

1. The 16+ likes for icon4s's inclusion wasn't by myself alone.

2. You wouldn't expect a first timer to the thread like myself to click and start reading from scratch on a submission that has gotten up to over 7500 posts

Above all, let by gone be by gone please ok

DonFreshmoney:
As football fans in UK will say...
Fucck VAR

Indeed and Interestingly, the VAR went to sleep completely today.

TheSuperNerd:
The way Pep shook those referees' hands.... Hahahahahahahahaha....

He was mouthing, "Thank you so much" and shaking them so vigorously.

Very sarcastic I tell you. Pep is gonna blame the referees for this it seems. Lol

Sure na and why not Brother.

And the VAR went to sleep today.

But things would soon change though because Liverpool and Tottenham have benefitted imencely from the VAR this season already.


https://www.nairaland.com/5521265/var-referees-chief-mike-riley

somehow:
That you got to the voting booth late does not mean the rules should be changed for you.

gerrit

What was the rule back then?

Was it stated that only 7 members as represented by their various monikers in accordance to the total vote garnered shall constitue the committee membership?

If Yes, Then I'm sorry for making my View known.

However, If No, Then your submission above is a nullity and thus holds no ground to subject me to crucifixion okay.

Premier League referees are to be encouraged to make more use of pitchside VAR monitors, referees' chief Mike Riley is expected to tell clubs later this week.

All 20 top-flight clubs will be represented at a meeting with Riley in central London on Thursday.

Top of the agenda will be the ongoing controversies around VAR, which continued on Saturday when Sheffield United had a goal ruled out at Tottenham because of a marginal offside decision.

Riley will be quizzed about various VAR issues, including inconsistencies in decision-making and the time it takes for rulings to be made, which in some instances have been several minutes after goals are scored.

It is acknowledged that solutions are not straightforward. However, it is anticipated Riley will tell clubs the on-field referee will make more use of monitors.

It was envisaged that would happen from the point VAR came into use in the Premier League but Riley advised referees not to use them in order to prevent additional delays.

It is now felt the on-field referee is best placed to make marginal calls because they are more aware of the flow of the game and the atmosphere at the time.




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PrecisionFx:
Arsenal squad is the problem, Not the coach. He's a good coach n needs time to work, nothing more.

The Arsenal squad is weak, especially in their defence

Maybe you are not an ARSENAL FAN else you would have known that Arsenal is not known for a compact defense right from time immemorial because of ARSENE WENGER's free flow attacking football.

Was EMERY not in charge when Barcelona came from 4-0 down to win 6-0 in the reversed fixture when he was at PSG

Sterope:
How can you hate all Arabs?

Are your village people less barbaric than some of them?

Come on!

Are you an Arab?

Why such an attack of abuse on Ashraf123?

Why must people hide under the guise of facelessness and be insulting others even when their are never offended in any way?

This are part of the reasons others consider us Africans as lesser humans and thus subject us to slavery.

Tedpgrass:
Sir, I concur with the 1st 2 paragraphs.

However I am persuaded differently when you compare individual maltreatment of child domestic helps, which often starts as harsh punishment for misdemeanors..... With a widespread societal slant to enslave adults from other ethnicities keep them in inhumane conditions, serve them as meat to prized exotic animals in some alleged cases...

Hmm mmm.

Let's see the wood from the trees...

Poor treatment or child abuse by individuals which is often heavily criticised by the surrounding society...... is very very different from a systemic slavery stemmed in deep racist undertones which is enabled by an acceptable societal norm of intensive subjugation of human rights and plain murder in several cases.




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Very well presented and I never saw where you pragmatically support anything Slavery or introvertly related to slavery.

Likewise, I never said slavery as obtainable anywhere in the world irrespective of it form and Domestic violence or abuse against House helps are the same

But I was just pointing out the ills in the soceity as they are related.

Or is it not on Nairaland that we read the below front page topics in recent Time?

https://www.nairaland.com/5510283/underage-housemaid-locked-inside-cage


https://www.nairaland.com/5518660/interpol-rescues-nigerians-others-sex

ibnmoruf:
I don't usually comment on this platform but today I felt the need to. Arabs or no Arab the issue of human trafficking is not peculiar to a region of the world. what can we say about Nigerians using cotonou girls for maids or blacks selling their own to slavery. it is very sad to label this as Islamic.

JeromeBlack, Can you please read the above?

Is prophet Muhammad and Islam responsible for this too?

How about the predicament of Black Africans and Nigerians in particular in Libya in the last 2 years?

Are the traffickers of women and children for sex and slavery even only Muslims?

Majority of the deported are mostly Christians from southern NIGERIA with most of them ending up getting relief from TB JOSHUA'S SYNAGOGUE

JeromeBlack:
Why do you have to ask if I am a Muslim?

Does the truth depend on if I am a muslim or not?

You are a brainwashed and dishonest person if you think that Islam is against slavery. There is no dispute among scholars that the prophet bought and sold slaves.

Of course truth doesn't depend on you being a Muslim or otherwise

But


Do you know why I had to ask if you are a Muslim or not?

The reason is simply the manner of approach you just displayed where you have to refer to me as a brainwashed and dishonest person insinuating that there wasn't dispute amongst scholars about buying and selling of slaves without posting any reference from anywhere whatsover.

Post references to prove there was no dispute and we see if the Hadiths are sound or not.

At least the thread clearly gives it source and everyone can even access it

like I said, Hadiths are lifestyle stories by people that lived mostly after him mostly of which are even hearsay account and not to be believed and that is why they are classified and categorized as sound or not (Meaning to be practiced or not as the case may be)

Lamanii22:
Not the environment at all... In fact everyone around me/my area speak Yoruba intensely... I just find it hard to speak or reply 'em in Yoruba.... I can't even complete a Yoruba sentence without a lil English init....

Ok but hopefully that wouldn't be extended to your kids though for you are alone in this and the kids don't understand Yoruba because English is the language of communication

JeromeBlack:
Slavery is allowed in islam. If you dont believe me, check your hadith and confirm if the prophet had slaves

In fact, Arab muslims took slaves from Nigeria (Kanem-borno) even before Europeans came.

Are you a Muslim?

If No, Then no problem with your view for you would only align yourself to the peripheral

If Yes, Then do you know the meaning of Hadith as the records of the lifestyle of the prophet?

And that Hadiths are even classified as Authentic and otherwise?

meaning some records are disputed and not to be recognized but rejected and the report in them shouldn't be practiced despite being in circulation?

Besides, The slavery related mentioning deals with the people captured during wars who are still not ready to accept Islam?

Remember that many wars were forth in Islam and not slavery of buying and selling of humans as was obtainable during the African colonization and the present days.

hammerD:
SEUN COME AND SEE WAT YOUR ARAB PEOPLE HAVE BEEN DOING TO BLACK PEOPLE, EVEN BEFORE THE ARRIVAL OF EUROPEANS.


ISLAM IS A SCAM.

Hey Mr Man.

Watch your words for it's not about the religion though but the tribe itself.

Prophet Muhammad himself was a victim of rejection by his own people to the extent that he had to run into exile to another city away from his home town.

It's about moral decadence and racism.

Are we not also witnessing another version of racism in the name of tribalism and nepotism in Africa?

Does illtreatment of houseboys and girls by madams and ogas not exist here too?

Nobody is supporting anything and everything Bad and Evil but they are not exclusive to ISLAM.

Besides, No religion subscribe to Evil but of the individuality.

Hizzy:
first time we are about to get it right
but until then
After this we will deal with DSTV

Exactly and CAF has already begun that process following the cancellation of a 12 years contract they had.

Read the below


https://www.nairaland.com/5519446/breaking-news-supersport-pulls-out

PrecisionFx:
Uniary Emery isn't the problem.

If not, Whose problem is it then?

A manager that doesn't know his starting 11?

Imagine him not having a permanent playing pattern yet after 12 EPL matches plus Europa league?

Not to talk of Carling cup?

How would you opt for a 3 man defence line for the first time in a match against a high scoring side like LEICESTER City this season?

He is just clueless of football knowledge.

mywells:
This video assistant reviews is killing the joy of football.

Only in the EPL that the controversy lies and that would soon change as a meeting of stakeholders has been scheduled for the 14th of November

safarigirl:
At this time, the Nigerian league was doing well, we could source for talents in-house.

It is not the same scenario today, the league has gone to the dogs, you can't find talents in the leagues. Even more, the whole workd seems to have left Nigeria in 1994. We have done nothing to build on that success, rather, the local coaches glorify mediocrity and sacrifice true talent for a few extra kobos.

It is not because we do not have local talent that are just as good, or even better than the foreign borns, but the rotten corruption stiinking up everywhere, means, we can only look outside to help ourselves.

Quite True indeed.

Besides, Some players really need the National Team pedestal to leverage them higher in their footballing career and that usually boost their country of origin's pedigree.

Ultimately, NIGERIA would be better for it as the scout's attention could further be shifted to NIGERIA the more thereby helping us discover more talents into the pool available already.

At the end, It shall be Glory days again for our dear Naija

somehow:
Why did they not vote for him during nomination?

You guys can't even practice Small democracy here but are quick to insult real politicians.

All the 13 people that liked this comment had the opportunity to vote for him but didn't, now trying to break Democratic rules.

If he's not there or not really available, won't life continue?

Make una respect una self jare.

I want to believe that it's not everyone that has access to this particular thread before now usually comes around everyday like others do,

Hence the inability to vote as at when due just like you are doing now by responding to a post that it water had already past under the bridge as the issue of icon4s is a forgone conclusion

Again, I for one never knew anything about this thread during the voting period as I just recently came across this thread few days ago too.

So, I wouldn't have been expected to vote rather than liking the post for his inclusion actually

Watch out for NIGERIA vs BENIN REPUBLIC and NIGERIA vs LESOTHO Qualifiers on NTA or AIT as they are expected to Link up with AUB Network due to the ongoing dispute over marketing and media right

cenaman:
So Arsene Wenger was not the problem of Arsenal?

At all. ARSENE WENGER was never the problem in truth because throughout his 22 years instinct at ARSENAL,

The club never ever spent like CHELSEA, MANCHESTER UNITED, MANCHESTER CITY, LIVERPOOL, TOTTENHAM, REAL MADRID, BARCELONA, ATHLETICO MADRID, BAYERN MUNICH, JUVENTUS, INTER MILAN, PSG, AC MILAN ETC.

logon599:
Sack Emery or leave him to keep dragging the club further down, I don't care.
My interest this morning is in the use of VAR in the premier league and how it will kill off football with the way it's going now if nothing is done to check it. They told us VAR was introduced to rectify "clear and obvious errors" so that means if the ref has made a mistake in his judgement they can quickly see it and rectify. A clear and obvious error shouldn't take more than 5 seconds of replay to notice it and rectify, like Aubameyang's goal against Man U that was initially wrongly ruled offside but replays showed he was clearly onside. But in the case where they're always stopping the match and taking 5 minutes to check every decision, that is no longer clear and obvious and when that happens they should stick with the referee's original decision and move on. Or better still the referee should view the pitchside monitor, make his decision and continue. All these shouldn't take minutes. That Sheffield goal against Tottenham yesterday that was cancelled because one overzealous VAR guy was using 10 minutes to measure if the player's forefinger was offside, is the height of madness from the so called VAR.

Yes the VAR issue in the EPL is to be reviewed on November the 14th as stake holders meetings has been scheduled for same.

Initially, it's only in EPL that referees are bared from observing the pitch side monitor but that would soon change after the meeting as the center referees still have the final say in football matches and not the VAR officials.

andrewbaba44:
You have a point, but i am yet to be convinced by those 2 teams especially man u

Quite True but all ARSENAL needed is just managerial reshuffling.

Imagine EMERY not overcoming Teams that WENGER usually brush aside with ease in his 2 seasons in a row already.

andrewbaba44:
Epl big boys how market?

Man u and arsenal no top 4 for una

Don't conclude yet though with just 12 matches played.