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Sad event, this riggers are vicious
Suleja is Niger State, few minutes from Abuja

I think the stats will go with the population and number of schools in the state. A state like Imo with its small population has about 5 higher institutions so I expect them to be more literate with the JAMB quota system of admission and no surprise with Ebonyi since they have fewer schools



There are a few reasons I can come up with for this phenomenon.

More education emphasis after the war
Igbo dowry practice  The higher education the better price, that creates a competitive zeal to educate girls and it is passed to them
Strong communal practice- Igbo village association creates peer pressure
Men have failed woefully in government
Civil war effects
There are still some Igbo cultures that men are not allowed to farm, leaving responsibility to women
Igbo migration rate to other states higher than other groups- Encourages networking, exposure etc
Physicality and body structure and nature (more Igbo women in Super Falcons)

There are a few reasons I can come up with for this phenomenon.

More education emphasis after the war
Igbo dowry practice The higher education the better price, that creates a competitive zeal to educate girls and it is passed to them
Strong communal practice- Igbo village association creates peer pressure
Men have failed woefully in government
Civil war effects
There are still some Igbo cultures that men are not allowed to farm, leaving responsibility to women
Igbo migration rate to other states higher than other groups- Encourages networking, exposure etc
Physicality and body structure and nature (more Igbo women in Super Falcons)

mojojojo:
I am seriously beginning to suspect that some people are being PAID to scour every post on BB and try to discredit it before it gains momentum.

And they do it with lies too

LSU:
1. He is an oligarch who does not believe in equality before the law. The way he jailed Lateef Jakande, Jim Nwobodo, Ambrose Ali, Pa Adekunle Ajasin, Chief Ayo Ojewumi on cases that had no foundation and allowed Awwal Ibrahim, the then Niger State governor, who was arrested in Heathrow Airport in London with 14 million pounds sterling and several millions of Niara and dollars to be put under house arrest is my evidence. He also allowed Shehu Kangiwa, Sokoto State Governor who conducted and supervised the famous Bakolori Massacre of poor peasant farmers who's land were appropriated without compesation to remain under house arrest.

Buhari put a dead man on house arrest

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shehu_Kangiwa

LSU:
1. He is an oligarch who does not believe in equality before the law. The way he jailed Lateef Jakande, Jim Nwobodo, Ambrose Ali, Pa Adekunle Ajasin, Chief Ayo Ojewumi on cases that had no foundation and allowed Awwal Ibrahim, the then Niger State governor, who was arrested in Heathrow Airport in London with 14 million pounds sterling and several millions of Niara and dollars to be put under house arrest is my evidence. He also allowed Shehu Kangiwa, Sokoto State Governor who conducted and supervised the famous Bakolori Massacre of poor peasant farmers who's land were appropriated without compesation to remain under house arrest.

Ermmm #1 like others, very interesting. When and how did Buhari place Shehu Kangiwa in house arrest since he (Shehu Kangiwa) died in 1981. Abi na dead man house arrest

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shehu_Kangiwa

Maybe you are too much in a hurry

LSU:
1. He is an oligarch who does not believe in equality before the law. The way he jailed Lateef Jakande, Jim Nwobodo, Ambrose Ali, Pa Adekunle Ajasin, Chief Ayo Ojewumi on cases that had no foundation and allowed Awwal Ibrahim, the then Niger State governor, who was arrested in Heathrow Airport in London with 14 million pounds sterling and several millions of Niara and dollars to be put under house arrest is my evidence. He also allowed Shehu Kangiwa, Sokoto State Governor who conducted and supervised the famous Bakolori Massacre of poor peasant farmers who's land were appropriated without compesation to remain under house arrest.

Ermmm #1 like others, very interesting. When and how did Buhari place Shehu Kangiwa in house arrest since he (Shehu Kangiwa) died in 1981. Abi na dead man house arrest

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shehu_Kangiwa

Maybe you are too much in a hurry

Here is El Rufai's answer on this issue

QUESTION: SIR, I APOLOGISE 4 USING THIS MEDIUM TO ASK THIS QUESTION, WHY DID GEN. BUHARI GIVE SOUTHERN NIGERIA THE SHORTER END OF THE STICK DURING HIS TENURE AS PTF CHAIRMAN

El Rufai reply

‎@Ugochukwu, no need to apologize. It is a right guaranteed in our Constitution to express your views and ask any questions, First, that allegation is not true. As an adviser to Abdussalaam Abubakar, we reviewed expenditures of the PTF and found that not only the geopolitical zones had near equal levels of expenditure, but the ration of spending South-North was near equal - 50.5% - 49.5%. I still have all the reports and will publish them one day on the BB2011 website if the false allegations persist. Secondly, The first N1 billion spent by the PTF was for the rehabilitation of waterworks at Iju, Ikeja, Ikoyi and Victoria Island, plus drainage channelization in Lagos Island. It is most unfair to accuse Buhari of any unfairness in his PTF days and I have the facts and figures to disprove such. Thank you.

http://www.facebook.com/#!/notes/nasir-el-rufai/making-nigeria-work-again-muhammadu-buhari-gcfr-april-6-2011-lagos-town-hall-mee/10150149968570723

No! Whats up with Security and Minting agency? Perhaps we print our currency abroad. What we need to do is to evolve strategies that reduces emphasis on result sheets, make it unattractive for rigging, so far only a huge turnout can do that. Or learn from WAEC and JAMB logistic guys. They used to have this problem

Makbo:
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Your post reflects an incredible ignorance of the ivorian crisis, but also an illeteracy in term of westerners agenda in Africa. Please open widely your eyes it's coming straight to Nigeria now. We know about that desastrous agenda of France/USA in Guinea Gulf headed by Obama and Sarkozy with their naive complicit GEJ. Oh yes, we know about it !
Did you know that french military action in Ivory Coast yesterday killed 2307 innocent civilians?  Did you know that president Gbagbo's village has been bombed and burnt yesterday  by french helicopters ?  Did you know about their shadow play? You will never see that anywhere any western media. I am not here for useless debate. You don't know the francophone terrain. We do. We'll take an appointment  after Nigerian presidential elections.

And who is to blame for the killings?
Whether you like it or not, the end day for Mr Gbagbo is near. That is the most important thing to me. People have died, many refugees in Liberia (a poor country itself) all because one man stubbornly refused to step aside after ruling for 10 years.

Mr Gbagbo himself at one point in time has rubbed minds with the French so he has no moral justification to blame what is happening on the French. I value human life and if my ambition will cause even the death of one I will re-evaluate my stands and step aside, French conspiracy or not, it is what a good leader should do.
You claim you understand International politics and you post a link from Russian government. Really? Russia?
Nigeria's election will probably be flawed (that is why we never went ahead with our ECOWAS threat) but whoever it is that needs to leave for peace to reign must live.

Am not here to debate on uselessness either, am tired of Africans blaming the West for their problems

As usual blame the West for everything .
I thought he was a tough boy. He could have avoided bloodshed, negotiated a long time ago and even seek reelection at some point.

Apart from Drogba (if I can give him that), What has Mr Gbagbo achieved in IVC since 2000, that should be the criteria for analyzing him.

During his negotiations, I hope the UN gives Mr. Gbagbo a false sense of freedom, Charge him in a few years like Charles Taylor for crimes against humanity. A good leader should protect his followers period. And I hope Mr. Quatara is learning,

Well, can't sign up yet until we understand how we spent the money allocated to education in the past 10 years. The problem goes beyond funding.

agabaI23:
Even you DK, I said majority. Security issue is a serious issue!

Jos killing has been handled well when you consider that the situation perpetrated for political reasons to sabotage the govt.

A situation where the soldiers and the police who are supposed to safeguard life take sides is a difficult one. Do not forget that the governor of the state in a federal system is the chief security officer. Goodluck has done what he is supposed to do but soldiers and the police chose to be partisan.

Why is no one talking about the Boko haram killings in the far north?
And as a statesman who commands good followership and has the ears of the almajris, why has Buhari kept quiet?

He is a member of the federal executive council, does he have to be president before he played his role as a statesman?

Jos killing has being handled well? Tell that to the widow or the child orphan who will never see their loved ones for Christmas. Can't believe you want to lay blame on Buhari for Boko Haram, as a member of the Council of States, do you think he hasn't advised GEJ? Do you even know if it is not his advise that is bringing peace? Anyway the buck stops at GEJs table.

Even MEND is running out of bombs, since if they threaten destruction the FG allows it to happen. No arrests! No investigation!

Still waiting on GEJs achievement in Bayelsa, you seem not to want to answer that or is it Buhari's fault?

Even Mallam Nasir has seen the light and is now campaigning for BB.

@Agaba Since you are the countering guy, any reason why you left out his achievement in Bayelsa?
The killings in Jos? Even though he swore to protect Nigeria citizens?

By the way there is a similar thread for Buhari, list your problems there I think Seun is conducting a NL poll, don't derail the poll

1. Jos killings
2. Jos Killings
3. Jos killings again
4. PDP
5. Bayelsa is still a poor state

Plus heck am even outside Nigeria, so can't vote but will continue to make some calls

Kai! Nigerians and their bibles. And Zedekiah is GEJ, he will be taken to exile during the breakup

Eziachi:
I am just thinking that, when a football team got  match even when they are playing a home game, most competent managers has always kept their players together the night before the game in a hotel to promote team spirit and also prevent people arriving at different times with various circumstnces at homes.

Till now, why is it that INEC cannot device a way of keeping all their field workers together the night before the election on a local govt basis? Everybody will wake up at the same time, get ready, have breakfast together and  a standby coach/bus will ferry them along with all their materials/equiptment accompanied by a second bus/coach carrying their security appointee.

They will be dropped off at each person's designated polling booths or stations along with their equipments/security. There will be no one coming late due to many reasons each individual may encouter in their various homes. It will solve the problem of logistics, it will solve the problem of field workers being compromised left at their own device. It will promote camaradies among them as privilege chosen few, which can sharpen their enthusiasm to do their job well.

They can actually do a rehersal of this morning run the night before to give them  a chance to see a possible problem the night before and best way to resolve it if it is to happen and every body can sit down and discuss it with individual ideas as they have their dinner.
The problem is Nigeria lck of culture of planning ahead instead of the usual fire brigage preparation that led them down time and time again.

Good idea but we are looking at 120,000 polling units across the country. There are some LGA that are too big or far due to bad or inaccessible roads. Some states even if you land at the local airport, you still have to travel for hours to get to most villages.
I think we need to consider local elections via Geo-political zones with more polling units and INEC strategic warehouses, use the election as a test run before the Presidential. Stop the importation of ballot papers by using the Nigeria Mint agency. This is more a supply chain problem rather than a project management problem.

Prof Jega has taken responsibility, which is what a good leader does. Any talk of resignation must wait until after the elections if it fails or succeeds. Moreover, it saddens me that we have a Security Minting agency in this country and still import election papers, due to a lack of a few good men.

The problem of logistics is a recurring problem and will be for some time. INEC could learn from WAEC and JAMB

Because the riggers are persistent hardworkers and hustlers, if good folks stay home then our problems will continue.

Granted INEC dropped the ball big time, but this is one way to make change happen if not evil men will rule over good people.

haha Not sure how that works but I would prefer if Nigerians abroad can push for legislation so they can vote in 2015, not sure how INEC will pull that one off since the local one is a problem. It is what I even expect the opposition parties to be pushing for

Sky Blue:
Hard at work doing what, imprinting their thumbs on multiple cards? You do now we are supposed to be using DDC now right?

Hard at work doing what ever it takes to rig or intimidate voters. Ordinary people do not have the patience of those touts who rig, so DDC or not, an absolute system could be compromised if care is not taken.

Thinking about it, the elections should have being conducted by georegions. The riggers are hard workers and postponing it is a huge risk.

apocalypse:
@ kcjazz
Educate yourself man , you quoted wikipedia. Please tell me when you searched for the word what did you see as the head word and what was in the search bar ?. Please show where parastatal was quoted/written/shown in the whole write up ?. Isn't it a little weird that parastatal doesn't appear anywhere there. Lastly check all dictionaries you can lay your hands on and please give us the definition you come up with.

Sir, you are joking right? I will play along for the last time
For your enlightenment here is another link http://www.thefreedictionary.com/parastatal
You have a computer, the best you could do is google "define parastatal". You won't find it in your new dictionary because it is an old word that has dropped from daily Western lexicon to allow for words like lol and OMG. Again it is a real English word

apocalypse:
There is no such word as " Parastatal ". Please when ever we put any topic on the front page let us check it very well so that we don't appear as fools

Ermm Oga, if you have ever listened to NTA news, this is the top word for describing Government agencies and yes it is a real English word.

A government-owned corporation, state-owned enterprise, state enterpise, or government business enterprise is a legal entity created by a government to undertake commercial activities on behalf of an owner government, and are usually considered to be an element or part of the state . , More »
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parastatal

Why are people so hyper vent about this?

Eg. Innoson motors invests in car assembly/manufacturing, no one is asking for money from the govt. GEJ is saying instead of buying Toyota from Globe motors or even PAN, we will get it some from Innoson or Ogbuawa

Complain when it is more expensive or it leads to more deaths.
Am not even a GEJ fan but whoever you support will not suggest we import more Toyotas. Election soundbite or not, wait till the future to judge.
haba!

Also BB pin for complaints and irregularities
For those who haven't heard, you can now chat with Nigeria's Independent National Electoral Commission (INEC) on BlackBerry PIN: 2687A1CA

Source~http://ynaija.com/exclusive-full-text-of-pat-utomis-speech/

The challenges are enormous but we must keep the fight alive. Thanks Pat for leading the way

WALKING MY TALK:  A CRY FOR MY BELOVED COUNTRY – STATEMENT BY PATRICK OKEDINACHI UTOMI, SDMP CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT 2011
I am honoured that you all could join me today as I bring to close one of the more challenging experiences of a life I can dare to say has been eventful.
It is opportunity for deep reflection and candid review of our nation’s state of health and my personal engagement with the struggle to renew and refresh it.  Let me apologise that given the object of today’s briefing, the narrative will be somewhat tedious.  This is necessary because what is at stake is feedstock for history.
These statistics tell a clear story about how poorly we have fared.  Comparing us with our peers from the 1960s usually is cause for much sadness.  Whether it is the UNDP Human Development Index or the Africa Competitiveness report, the nation which at independence had great potential now lags.
As a citizen, I have long been puzzled by why Nigeria fails to perform.  I am more troubled when I move from statistic to the poor widows I interact with often, the unemployed youth I counsel, and the ailing rural person in search of basic health care.
In traveling frequently though such countries as Malaysia, Indonesia and Singapore I have come to feel a personal responsibility for Nigeria’s failing.  In the last few years those have caused me to step into an arena that family and many friends would rather I avoid.  I have to admit that many times, I have wondered if the price was worth it.  Then I remembered that the prize is a better country for my children and all of God’s and on trusting that one day it will be a glorious dawn.
A month ago, I suggested that I was rethinking how the spirit of service for the good of all could be deployed outside of a partisan political process.  Now in full view of the 2011 election campaign as failing to being our competing ideas for governance I decided I would make a statement on my continuing participation in the process.
The first point of my statement is that in comparing Nigeria of today and Nigeria of the years of promise, it seems self evident that the politics defines economic performance and the quality of life of citizens.  At the heart of it all is the Grand Norm.  I have come to be persuaded that’s until we return to the constitution negotiated by Chief Obafemi Awolowo, The Sardauna, Sir Ahmadu Bello and Dr. Nnamdi Azikiwe progress will come far too slowly to Nigeria for it to be meaningful.
I have come to the realization that constitutional reform is far more valuable than elections which have continued to be at the whim of state capture.
The big question is how do we deal with this challenge today?
WHY RUN?
Let me in complete candor indicate that as the 2011 elections cycle rolled around about a year and half ago the last thought on my mind was to be candidate for any office.  The reason was simple.
In 2006, I had become frustrated with a country making no progress.  I could not reconcile the fact that oil revenues had been sky high for so long, yet Nigeria under performed on all quality of life indicators; infrastructure was generally worse that year than before the surge of revenues; the roads were so immotorable as to be described as the violation of the fundamental human right of those who travel on them by a Canadian diplomat; just as there was less power to light up the country and resuscitate industry after billions of new dollars had been poured into the sector between 1999 and 2006.  It was evident that something fundamental was wrong and that the challenge of character, commitment and competence in public life needed to be addressed.
I was persuaded that my offering a clear vision of a new Nigeria would, at the least, set an agenda, and if all went well in a fractured field, result in a run-off in which we could tell the balance in favour of a coalition committed to serving the people sacrificially.  I was convinced that would move Nigeria away from the column of paradise deferred to new possibilities.
As is now widely documented and accepted, the 2007 election was a farce.  But it was not that it was a farce alone that troubled me.  It was the level of evil in the process and the widespread view that to have a place in politics you had to sell your soul, conscience and dignity.  I was convinced there could be a better way, a different way.
Instead of returning fully to my normal life as a teacher and business angel, I spent more time trying to forge a movement that could advance the common good and help hold political actors more accountable.  It was hard work with results challenged by many factors better discussed with the availability of more time.
The factor of that bothered me the most from my 2007 experiences continued to lead me to question many things.  It was the ease of state capture and the abuse of the power of central of the state to the detriment of the people and the country’s statistic that the lives of Nigerians got worse with our democracy getting more revenues, to see how state capture by a group who chanced on power could bring us to where Libya is today.  That was tried with the third term bid, which failed only because interest diverged within “the family”.  I saw them and how pointless it was to expect elections to bring change and freedom to the Nigerian people in this so called democratic arrangement.
I identified them with the PRONACO effort to resolve this through a new constitution that will break the disconnect between political leaders and the interest of the people.
On January 1st, 2010 it seemed natural therefore to share with my wife a New Year resolution not to run for anything without damaging my commitment to serve neighbour and God, particularly though, making my shoulder strong enough for the young to stand on so they can see tomorrow more clearly.  What happened instead was that process that began with a phone call inviting me to meet with Chief Anthony Enahoro in Ikeja took a new turn.  When I met the elder statesman, I had been briefed about a movement to bring together the progressive opposition to form united front to bring change about.  Having been Chairman of strategy and the face of the opposition Presidential candidates in 2007, as the extent of the flow in the elections became evident, the process being started by Chief Enahoro was a welcome development and I had no trouble committing.  I expected to play a role that would be citizen duty but hardly a leadership role.
I would soon find myself listed as one of one conveners especially as an apparent desire to have a northern flavoured movement emerge with a view to merging the now so called Mega Summit Movement to which Chief Enahoro had also invited General Mohammadu Buhari, Alhaji Atiku Abubakar and former Sokoto state Governor, Attahiru Bafarawa, listed as convener of the NDI, Chief Olu Falae and myself being the Southern CO-conveners with Gen. Buhari, Alhaji Atiku and Bafarawa and asked to co-chair the working committee with Alhaji Sule Hamma.
I soon plunged myself with great passion into a process that could provide a United opposition that could make the change I believed was difficult, possible, even in the face of state capture.  It cost me time and enormous personal resources to facilitate the process.
On the day president Yar’adua was mysteriously flown into Abuja, an important leg of the process was set for Lagos Governors Lodge on Isaac John Street in Ikeja, Lagos. Gen. Buhari, Alhaji Atiku and Bafarawa, Chief Olu Falae and I met with the leadership of the Action Congress led by Sen. Bola Ahmed Tinubu, Chief Bisi Akande, Niyi Adebayo, Segun Osoba and others.  I left that meeting heading to another in Benin with the Governors of the South South convinced the process would crash.  The next day in Abuja it did.
On a personal level, I carried on the crusade for bringing all together.  Travelled frequently to meetings at homes of opposition leaders around the country and even meeting some abroad, I suggested the in-fighting within the PDP provided the best opportunity to rescue Nigeria from the culture of rent-seeking that was crippling Nigeria.
I wrote letters to opposition leaders detailing the state of the nation and history’s likely judgement on us all if we cannot work together to show the light in another direction.  The outcome of all that requires a well written book for history’s verdict.
What was constant was my traditional remark that it did not matter what role I played in the outcome, as long as I could have my vision of a new Nigeria which focuses on the people and the Common Good on the table for adoption.
When media coverage of various tow way merger and alliances talks were leading the public – which has kept pushing for opposition consolidation – into despair, we began an off radar effort.
In the meantime, a political party to provide that tent that could remove the ego problems of adopting my own party. I had entered the registration process.  The name Social Democratic Mega Party had been chosen. I disliked the word ‘mega’, which as it would turn out would be contentious with another group that broke from the original Enahoro family:  I thought a Tiger did not have to display its attitude.  ‘Mega’ seemed of no value, especially as many of the original members had gone a different way. I preferred SDP because I was a Social Democrat. Other forces previously were already wondering if it was not time to walk away from it all, as the need to put Nigeria first was interpreted so different that I was beginning to be certain we would end up where other alliance efforts of the opposition in Nigeria lay when I had been chosen Chairman and interim of the party.  I acquiesced as part of a sense duty.
The ideas began to circulate that for the party to hold together while discussions to being the progressive forces together were pursued, the party had to have a Presidential flay bearer.  Before I could put the matter to discussion it was already in the media – I would be its presidential candidate.
I ceased on that as a rallying factor to further advance efforts to bring the progressive opposition together.  With much thanks to Chief Olu Falae, we narrowed things down to ACN, ANPP, CPC and SDMP.
This followed the fiasco of my last effort to bring a broader group together. I have approached both the Ondo and Edo Governors to play important roles there.  The meeting was set for Benin after long consultations with the would-be host.  Between our last meeting and the event, he was persuaded by others to pull back. I carried the weight of that whole effort personally.  The follow up flag event at the Sheraton would prove to be a fiasco because Alhaji Lateef Jakande arrived late and the MC and the acting Chairman disagreed on who was speaking next.
In the last two months several meetings involving Chairmen of CPC, ANPP, CAN and SDMP with their Presidential candidates and later the running mates of the Presidential candidates, plus one other Party leader have taken place.
Much progress was made on several fronts.  We agreed to harmonize our manifestos and set up a committee with two persons from each party to do that.  A consolidated document was presented and accepted.  All steps were crossed till one, the conclave.  According to the process the four presidential candidates were to be left in the room until they agreed on one person. To be sure the parties would respect the outcome all were asked to return to their Exco to approve of this. We were led to believe all had so done.
At the last but one meeting, the running mates were required to be present so none would be a spoiler, was there to be a request that they reject their nomination for the common cause.  At this meeting, I would learn later, one of the running mates made comments about one of the presidential candidates and then solicited their stepping down after the meeting in a way that may have provoked that camp not to show up at the conclave.  With that, the process which is technically still alive fell on life support.
Having entered the process with one clear goal, to produce a formidable opposition, I had said I would determine my participation in the process if failed, not just in the symbolic wiping the sand off my sandals as evidence against those who rejected the process but also in providing concrete evidence that ego did not stand in the way and that my repeatedly indicating I had no trouble stepping down if we all agreed on someone else was offered in sincerity.
In addition, I have also added to the troika of reasons why I must say goodbye to the process – the fact that it has provided me incontrovertible evidence that Nigeria cannot make progress under their illegitimate constitution that lends itself so easily to state capture.
I remain committed to institution building and will work with any person of goodwill to build a new Nigeria.  In that regard one of my discoveries on this journey has been Kano State Governor Ibrahim Shekarau, who I commend to my friends and supporters.
I want also to take this moment to commend public life, true citizenship, to professionals and young people. Until they can make it their business much harm will continue to be done.  It may be untidy at first.  Unkind comments from people you would normally not engage with will drive you to the safety of your comfort zone but do not retreat. It is part of the price of nation building.  Be assured that history will ultimately vindicate you.

Good move!
Please create a quality standard for all the local companies (if they don't have one)

So what has he done about erosion?
Improving Douglas road real estate?
Education?
Agriculture?
Health?

You think round about is the problem of Imo, do you know the potential that state has and how this government and his predecessors have abandoned it?

You know Sam Mbakwe was, still is the best governor ever of Imo state, how does your new hero compare to him after close to 30 years? Use ratios please. Thank you!

^^^I know say you dey hustle , welldone, but this na old news, it didn't happen few minutes ago, abi na you dey send the python?

PapaBrowne:
The figures everywhere do not suggest that he would lead the popular votes!! I used very unrealistic figures to prop up Buhari's potential and yet he falls short by over 4 million votes. In a more realistic scenario, the gap between himself and Jonathan is looking like 7-8 million votes.
I must say though, that the man has done great! With little or no resources, he started a brand new party that is shaking the fabrics of the 2011 elections!! I am proud of him!! Just that NEARLY has never killed a bird!!

Yeah, we will never know until April I guess. It is the cross of the opposition in Nigeria, you can't compete resource-wise with the incumbent but we will wait and see how things will turn out