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MaxInDHouse:
So the highlighted is what made Jehovah's Witnesses evil to you since we will never ever agree to that.
This is what Jesus said with his own mouth:



Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. ‭John 17:3 NIV‬


And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. John 17:3 KJV


 This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ. John 17:3 NWT


Oya Pastor piri how many people makes up the only true God?

So. It doesn't change the fact that Jesus is God in human flesh. There are Scriptures that attest to this truth. But you will pretend not to be aware

In the context of the Scripture, he meant the Father.

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MaxInDHouse:
When will your brain begin working?

Jesus already told us that unbelievers like you will call his group a cult:

“A student is not above his teacher, nor a slave above his master.  It is enough for the student to become as his teacher, and the slave as his master. If people have called the master of the house Be·elʹze·bub, how much more those of his household?" Matthew 10:24-25

So Jesus has cleared it you are one of the unbelievers!

I pray that my book exposition JW false teachings will be ready soon. JW and lie is like no 5 & 6.

immaculatesense:
Yes. A wife is inferior to the husband and the husband is superior to the wife. But it is not a master servant relationship but a relationship where on leads and the opinion of the other is also respected.

Thanks.

So, tell your wife she is inferior to you and notice her reaction

immaculatesense:
No sir.
Your point is wrong sir, sorry to say that.
Jesus is not the Father. What Jesus was telling Philip in John 14 was that he has the authority to do everything because the father has entrusted all things to him so therefore Philip do not need to see the Father for him to be sure of his salvation.
Remember in verse 1, the statement of Jesus was that of assurance. "You believe in God, believe also in me."

Across scriptures it is evident from Jesus and the apostle that the Father is the Father and Jesus is the son of the Father.
1. The Father is god and supreme over all things.
2. Jesus is god and supreme over all other things except the Father.
3. The Holy spirit is the spirit of God sent in Jesus' name as a seal to guide and lead believers into the promises of God both on this earth and to the kingdom of Christ in the earth to come.

The person of these three as explained above is the position and what is consistent with scriptures. Anything added to their person or subtracted from their person is not consistent with scriptures.
The scriptures alone is our constitution and our order both. Any addition or subtraction belongs to the dunghill.

Thanks.

Jesus is not the Father, I agree. But they are different personalities of the same God. This is the point I am making. You can't separate them. The Father is in Jesus and Jesus is in the Father.

MaxInDHouse:
They are all facing different directions as they talk about their god but when JWs speak with one voice regarding our God {John 17:22} all of them will say JWs are wrong, which of them is right now?
Funny churchians! Luke 11:23

So, you are still in this evil cult known as JW? You don't love your life.

immaculatesense:
Yes sir.
When I have an issue with my felli ranking colleague, the advice is that we should report to our superior officer which is our boss.
So, my boss is my superior so therefore I am inferior to my boss.
Just like saying, he is my senior, it means I am his junior.
The man is the head of the wife meaning he is the leader and the superior in ranking. Though it is not a master-slave relationship like Jesus is not a slave to his father but he accepts his position only second to the Father but he is above all else.
Or is it fact that because the scriptures called us Joint heirs with Christ does that make us equal and of the same level with Christ? Is Christ not the Head of the Church as the Father is the Head of Christ Himself? Christ is above all except the Father who his above Christ. 1 Corinthians 15:21-22

So, the wife is inferior to her husband?

immaculatesense:
Sir.
The correct quotation of that scriptures is
Hebrews 1:3a
"For Christ is the express image of the invisible God..."
Express image does mean he is the same person. It only means of the same look, likeness and substance just like I am the express of my own father, I look like him, talk like him, have the same genotype and blood group and have some obvious elements of his Character.
Jesus is the representative of the Father to humans, God sent his son in his own likeness and substance but the Father is different from the Son.
For instance, the Father knows when the Son will appear for his second coming but the son himself does not know. He himself said it.
Matthew 24:36
[36]“However, no one knows the day or hour when these things will happen, [/b]not even the angels in heaven or the Son himself. Only the Father knows.[b]

Thanks.

Jesus said that because he was in human flesh that had limitations.

Concerning Jesus being the express image of God, have you forgotten where he said: "He that has seen me as seen the Father"

God is the first and the last. Jesus also said he is the first and the last. Common sense should let you know that they are the same person.

Truthseeker10:
So is Jesus the Almighty God?

Yes. The Almighty God in the visible form.

immaculatesense:
Smile
Sir, there is not different between small g and big g because the Greek and Hebrew do not have Capital letters, so whenever you see small or big g, it is all and the same.

Sir, Jesus is God or god anyone is the same "Elohim" or "theos".
The subjectivity of the son to the Father shows that he is Inferior to the Father but superior to all other beings.
The fact that I say the Jesus is inferior to His father does not diminish him at all, it only exalts the Father to be above all including his son.
Let me put it like this.
The word inferior means "less" or "subject" like you put it. So, whether you use Subject or less or inferior, it is one and the same sir, not reduces nor increases the status of the Father's only begotten son.
Jesus himself said it "My Father is greater than I am." Which means in the reverse "I am lesser than my Father."

So sir, using inferior does not reduce Jesus, it only shows that Jesus is supreme over all things except his Father who is supreme over all things including his son. 1 Corinthians 15:27-28.

Thanks.

Are you inferior to your boss in the office? Please answer, yes or no.

Is the wife inferior to her husband?

I don't have anything against honouring a servant of God with gifts worth that amount and even more. However, my concern is, can do give such huge sum to help the poor which in my opinion is more important.

May God grant us wisdom.

immaculatesense:
His point is the position of the scriptures sir.
If a goat calls itself the son of a man, it means that goat is claiming to be a man.
Jesus said he is the son of God thereby making himself equal with God (John 5:18)
John 5:18
[18]So the Jewish leaders tried all the harder to find a way to kill him. For he not only broke the Sabbath, he called God his Father, [/b]thereby making himself equal with God.[b]

Therefore Jesus is god in his nature and essence lower and inferior only to the Father who alone is the One and True God of all.

Thanks.

Jesus is God. Please, don't use small letter g for Jesus.

He is not inferior to his Father. He is only subject to Him.

The fact that you have a boss in the office doesn't make you inferior to your boss.

Truthseeker10:
From the diagram below that you claim to agree with, is God the father or God is "Father, son and holy spirit" simultaneously?

The natural mind cannot grasp certain truth. Put in a simpler way:

There is one God who is the Father, one Lord who is Jesus and the visible manifestation of the invisible God and one Spirit.

Let's come to even the nature of man. You sleep on your bed but your soul is somewhere else in another realm. But it's the same person.

What about witches who are in their room but are elsewhere carrying out harvoc. This is mortal man talk more of God.

God is in heaven and you can't see him. If you want to see him, look at Jesus.

Gabrielshow24:
It's been made sir, thanks for the input.
What they(JW) allude to is the similarities/correlations between the role of Jesus and prince Michael, with the icing of the cake being the phrase "coming with an Archangel's voice"!!!

With the final brain fart being the sole mention of Michael as an Archangel 🤧.

Hence 2 + 2 = 22

What they failed to accommodate are several verses that says otherwise; even from their favorite book Daniel, a single phrase destroys their entire argument - "one of the chief princes"

And simple literal interpretation of chief prince will equate it to an Archangel 🤧!!!

Now they have problems!
Other arguments even stemmed from the disparities in character between both.

If Jesus is indeed Michael, then he is nothing but an hypocrite, who fought war in heaven then turned pacifist on earth🤧 after all God is the same today, yesterday and forevermore.

Along with this is the differing portrayal of wielding weapons!!

One, the Jesus we allude to, doesn't wield any weapon and even when described to wield such it's rather in his mouth not hands🧐 unlike Michael and other Angels notoriously known for wielding swords in their hands🧐...

Other methods of disproving them even takes the act of reflecting their own logic to them.

If they conclude that Jesus is Michael because he is "coming with an Archangel's voice" then why can't they say Jesus is a fan🤔 after all one says of him as "coming with a fan"!!!

Or perhaps a sickle🤔 because he was described with a sickle in revelation 🤔!!!

Others have added different verses of the bible to further exemplify why Jesus cannot be Michael 👀...

Note: this is a two faced argument, the first being "Jesus is an angel" and the other being "Jesus is Michael"

The first one has been thrashed out extensively in another thread, with one of them giving a ludicrous definition of the term angel🤔; after wise men critiqued his statement we have come to see that from his definition only God is not an angel!

Now the question lies in whether God can act as one or to rephrase can he go on his own errand or do his own will by himself?🤔

If he can then that makes him an angel also🤨 and they(JW) have another problem.

In summary, it's nothing more but false equivocations!!!

No matter how you try to explain the truth to the JW, they will not believe but rather hold on to their lies. This is because they are sons of perdition.

This is why Paul wrote:

2 Thessalonians 2:10-11

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

They have forgotten the Scripture which says he did not take the form of an angel because angels can't neither redeem or be redeemed.

Hebrews 2:16
16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham

Truthseeker10:
This is the question I asked you below.

Did John say that no man has seen the "Father" or that no man has seen "God"?

Did John say no unbelievers has seen God or that no man including himself as seen God in John 1:18?

He said no man has seen God. And in this context, he is referring to the Father.

If you want to use the writing of John to debunk the fact that Jesus is God, why not site other references where John explicitly said that Jesus is God? An example is John 1:1.

In other to get a clear picture of any doctrine, look at every single reference that addresses that topic. Don't look for the one that appears to agree with your pre conceived opinion and ignore many more others that says otherwise.

There are overwhelming evidence of Scripture that affirm that Jesus is indeed God. But he is not the Father.

How could a mortal man send the Holy Spirit to earth? And we know that the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God.

He even said that the Holy Spirit will glorify Him.

We don't have issue believing that the Holy Spirit is God. But the Holy Spirit does nothing apart from what he hears from Jesus.

Will a divine being receive direction from a man?

Gabrielshow24:
Prepare for a stupid 🤕 question from him.

That's his trademark 🤧!!!

I understand.

Truthseeker10:
Did John say that no man has seen the "Father" or that no man has seen "God"?

How could they know the difference? They were as ignorant as you until Jesus came. Even when Jesus tried to unveil the truth to them, they didn't believe him till this day. Rather, they killed him. But the time will come when they will believe. This will happen after the Antichrist show them 'shege'.

During Jesus' Earthly Ministry

1. The Wise Men Worship Jesus – Matthew 2:11

"And when they had come into the house, they saw the young Child with Mary His mother, and fell down and WORSHIPED HIM.."[/i]

2. A Leper Worships Jesus – Matthew 8:2

"And behold, a leper came and WORSHIPED HIM, saying, ‘Lord, if You are willing, You can make me clean.’"

3. A Ruler Worships Jesus – Matthew 9:18

"While He spoke these things to them, behold, a ruler came and WORSHIPED HIM, saying, ‘My daughter has just died, but come and lay Your hand on her and she will live.’"

4. The Disciples Worship Jesus After Walking on Water – Matthew 14:33

"Then those who were in the boat came and WORSHIPED HIM, saying, ‘Truly You are the Son of God.’"

5. The Canaanite Woman Worships Jesus – Matthew 15:25

"Then she came and WORSHIPED HIM, saying, ‘Lord, help me!’"

6. The Disciples Worship Jesus After His Resurrection – Matthew 28:9

"And as they went to tell His disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, ‘Rejoice!’ So they came and held Him by the feet and WORSHIPED HIM."

7. The Eleven Disciples Worship Jesus – Matthew 28:17

"When they saw Him, they WORSHIPED HIM; but some doubted."

8. The Blind Man Worships Jesus – John 9:38

"Then he said, ‘Lord, I believe!’ And he WORSHIPED HIM."

In the Book of Hebrews, all the Angels were commanded to worship Jesus - Hebrews 1:6

"And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God WORSHIP HIM"

In the Book of Revelation

1. Heavenly Host Worshiped the Lamb – Revelation 5:11-12

"Then I looked, and I heard the voice of many angels around the throne, the living creatures, and the elders; and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands, saying with a loud voice:

‘WORTHY IS THE LAMB who was slain to receive power and riches and wisdom, and strength and honor and glory and blessing!’"

2. All Creation Worships the Lamb – Revelation 5:13-14

"And every creature which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, I heard saying:

‘Blessing and honor and glory and power
Be to Him who sits on the throne,
AND TO THE LAMB, forever and ever!’"

3. The Redeemed Worship the Lamb – Revelation 7:9-10

"After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands, and crying out with a loud voice, saying, ‘Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, AND TO THE LAMB!’"[i]

Jesus is indeed God. The Scripture evidence above affirms it.

Janosky:
Jesus Christ is the angel of Yahweh sent by Yahweh his Father.

Register John 12:49, 50 & Psalms 103:20 into your heart .
Jesus did not receive any worship, Revelation 19:10 and Matthew 4:10 is his evidence.

LYING pastor wey no dey believe him Bible.

Below are Overwhelming Evidence that Jesus is Worshiped in the Bible.

During Jesus' Earthly Ministry

1. The Wise Men Worship Jesus – Matthew 2:11

"And when they had come into the house, they saw the young Child with Mary His mother, and fell down and WORSHIPED HIM.."[/i]

2. A Leper Worships Jesus – Matthew 8:2

"And behold, a leper came and WORSHIPED HIM, saying, ‘Lord, if You are willing, You can make me clean.’"[i]

3. A Ruler Worships Jesus – Matthew 9:18

"While He spoke these things to them, behold, a ruler came and WORSHIPED HIM, saying, ‘My daughter has just died, but come and lay Your hand on her and she will live.’"[/i]

4. The Disciples Worship Jesus After Walking on Water – Matthew 14:33

"Then those who were in the boat came and WORSHIPED HIM, saying, ‘Truly You are the Son of God.’"[i]

5. The Canaanite Woman Worships Jesus – Matthew 15:25

"Then she came and WORSHIPED HIM, saying, ‘Lord, help me!’"[/i]

6. The Disciples Worship Jesus After His Resurrection – Matthew 28:9

"And as they went to tell His disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, ‘Rejoice!’ So they came and held Him by the feet and WORSHIPED HIM."[i]

7. The Eleven Disciples Worship Jesus – Matthew 28:17

"When they saw Him, they WORSHIPED HIM; but some doubted."[/i]

8. The Blind Man Worships Jesus – John 9:38

"Then he said, ‘Lord, I believe!’ And he WORSHIPED HIM."[i]

In the Book of Hebrews, all the Angels were commanded to worship Jesus - Hebrews 1:6

"And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God WORSHIP HIM"[/i]

In the Book of Revelation

1. Heavenly Host Worshiped the Lamb – Revelation 5:11-12

"Then I looked, and I heard the voice of many angels around the throne, the living creatures, and the elders; and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands, saying with a loud voice:

‘WORTHY IS THE LAMB who was slain to receive power and riches and wisdom, and strength and honor and glory and blessing!’"[i]

2. All Creation Worships the Lamb – Revelation 5:13-14

"And every creature which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, I heard saying:

‘Blessing and honor and glory and power
Be to Him who sits on the throne,
AND TO THE LAMB, forever and ever!’"[/i]

3. The Redeemed Worship the Lamb – Revelation 7:9-10

"After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands, and crying out with a loud voice, saying, ‘Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, AND TO THE LAMB!’"[i]

Truthseeker10:
Explain John 1:18.

If Jesus is God, how can John 1:18 say that no one has seen God when people actually saw Jesus?

King James Bible
No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

First, he was referring to the Father in this context.

Second, the Jews didn't know he was God in human flesh. Even when he told them, they attempted to stone him.

The three different persons in the Godhead have completely different form.

The Father is a Spirit. He doesn't have flesh and bones like Jesus does. You can only see his form in radiance of glory.

Jesus has a physical form that can be seen. But he has the very essence and nature of God. He was not created. Rather, all things were created by him and for him.

The Holy Spiri is completely invisible. But he is everywhere.

The three of them are wired together in purpose and actions.

Jesus does only what he sees his Father do. He doesn't have his personal or different agenda.

And the Holy Spirit does what he hears from Jesus. He doesn't have his personal agenda.

This is the mystery of Trinity.

jaephoenix:
Have you read this thread https://www.nairaland.com/7659505/book-bible-gaffes

Tell me those errors and lies are trivial

You interpret scriptures in context and not out of context. I will respond to each of them but much later. Please, remind me after one week. I have a project at hand.

Truthseeker10:
Do you agree with the diagram below?

100%

Janosky:
Empty shallow WAILING WAILER,go and view the Biblehub aggelos screenshot again and again until it sinks into your heart.
Also,angels are "the sons of God" @ Job 1:6 @ Job 2:1.@Job 38:7.
Angels and men are the sons of God @ Psalms 82:1,6.

Revelation 1:1 has already exposed your folly before you typed your first paragraph.
@ John 9:4 Jesus Christ proven that himself and the disciples (@Revelation 1:1) are servants of Yahweh.

Gotham is not interested in the Bible truth.
Abeg go get some sleep & get ready to tickle your ears in your pastorpreneurs business center.

Jesus is the only begotten Son of God
Jesus is the first begotten from the death.
Jesus is worshiped by Angels and men. Angels don't receive worship.
Jesus is the full manifestation of God in the flesh.

Keep defending lies until Satan drags your soul to hell. You will weep and gnash your teeth.

gohf:
the bible contains that which is true and that which is "false" and "contradictory" because men can make mistakes or intentionally manipulate and lie about certain things. But apart from that, much of it has been kept intact and recorded for the future.

Contradictions can be due to misunderstanding what is actually written in the original Hebrew text and mistakenly translated or taught to be an error. There are some quotes from the NTs that isn't directly as it is in the OT.

But the one true consistent thing in the Bible is God said and His intent, from beginning to the end of it. That's asides the recorded speeches of men and the like.

I agree that there are some things that are not true in the Bible like some of the sayings of Jobs friends which God later tells them to repent from. Showing that the purpose of God is true and consistent revealing who He is and what He is going to do and what He expects.

Yes, it is true that not every word in the Bible is God’s Word. But there are no contradictions in its messages.

gohf:
okay so how is NWT different and an "antiChrist" bible?

The NWT rendered John 1:1 different from every other translation. Every other translation says 'and the Word was God. But the NWT says. 'and the Word was a god, as in small letter 'g'. They deny the deity of Christ which every other translation affirms.

They also deny the existence of literal hell. And so many other things time would not permit me to mention here.

Why not start with keke production; the one that will benefit the common man and make the price far lower than the imported ones.

Truthseeker10:
Do you agree with tctrills that the bible contradicts?

I don't agree. There are no contradictions.

Abuzola:
Compiled by Abuzola




Quran 4;171.

O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! Do not exceed the limits in your religion, nor say of Allah aught but the truth. The Messiah 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), was no more than a Messenger of Allah' and His Word, ("Be!" - and he was) which He bestowed on Maryam (Mary) and a spirit (Ruh) created by Him; so believe in Allah and His Messengers. Say not: "Three (trinity)!" Cease! (it is) better for you. For Allah is (the only) One Ilah (God), Glory be to Him (Far Exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allah is All-Sufficient as a Disposer of affairs.



                               Jesus a Prophet of God According to the Bible



Luke 7:16 Fear gripped them all, and they began glorifying God, saying, "A great prophet has arisen among us!" and, "God has visited His people!"

These were the verses that confused the later christianm confusing jesus as God

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Luke 24:19 And He said to them, "What things?" And they said to Him, "The things about Jesus the Nazarene, who was a prophet mighty in deed and word in the sight of God and all the people,[/color]

This verse says it all

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[color=#770077]Matthew 13:57 And they took offense at Him. But Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor except in his hometown and in his own household."[/color][color=#990000]
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Matthew 21:11 And the crowds were saying, "This is the prophet Jesus, from Nazareth in Galilee."
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John 4:44 For Jesus Himself testified that a prophet has no honor in his own country[/color][color=#990000].

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John 7:40 Some of the people therefore, when they heard these words, were saying, "This certainly is the Prophet."

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                                                                 Quran 4
   
172. The Messiah will never be proud to reject to be a slave to Allah, nor the angels who are near (to Allah). And whosoever rejects His worship and is proud, then He will gather them all together unto Himself.

173. So, as for those who believed (in the Oneness of Allah - Islamic Monotheism) and did deeds of righteousness, He will give their (due) rewards, and more out of His Bounty. But as for those who refuse His worship and were proud, He will punish them with a painful torment . And they will not find for themselves besides Allah any protector or helper.

174. O mankind! Verily, there has come to you a convincing proof (Prophet Muhammad ) from your Lord, and We sent down to you a manifest light (this Qur'an).

175. So, as for those who believed in Allah and held fast to Him, He will admit them to His Mercy and Grace (i.e. Paradise), and guide them to Himself by a Straight Path.

Jesus is more than a Prophet.
He is God in human flesh. He is the visible manifestation of the invisible God. And there are so many scriptures in the Bible that attest to this truth

MaxInDHouse:
Don't worry, Russell and Rutherford are getting ready with Jesus to send you to that hell soon!

Russell and Rutherford are already in hell. And they are regretting the false religion they established. If you don't repent, you will join them.

Janosky:
Illiterate Pastor denying Psalms 103:30,John 14:24 & Psalms 110:1-2 is LYING to the public on Nairaland.


Jesus Christ is an angel obeying Yahweh's voice and performing Yahweh's word. Psalms 103:30=John 14:24, Psalms 110:1-2.

Pastor wey no know him Bible

You go shit for trouser the day you will stand before our Lord Jesus to be judged. Then, you will know that He is Lord and your Creator.

Truthseeker10:
Tctrills have made the assertions that the bible has "few contradictions" but still argues that the bible is true and not false. Is he correct?
Please I need the house opinion on such viewpoint whether you believe in the bible or not.

tctrills
StillDtruth
Dtruthspeaker
Lordreed
Emusan
Immaculatesense
Jaephoenix
Janosky
MaxInDHouse
Steep
Aemmyjah
AbuTwins
doffman
cornelboy
Westerhoffe
Everyday247
gohf
Kobojunkie
Ken4Christ

The errors are trivial. It doesn't change the central message or the fundamental truth. In fact, there are no doctrinal errors but trivial errors based on human limitations and weaknesses.

The only Bible different from every other Bible translation is the New World Translation of the Jehovah Witness. The Jehovah Witness are not Christians. They are anti Christ.

Leave it or take it, the contents of the Bible especially the teachings of our Lord Jesus and His Apostles is what God will use to judge this generation.

MaxInDHouse:
God's organized people!

Anti Christ attempting to stray more people away from the truth of God’s word. Your end is near. Demons in hell will torture you for even working for them. They will laugh and mock at you.