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MaxInDHouse:
Good that's the name of Jesus in the spirit realms before his earthly mission!

Where are the evidence supporting your claims?

Janosky:
LYING pastor, is Revelation 12:7-9 in your Bible?
Archangel Michael defeated Satan because Archangel Michael is Jesus Christ the Promised Seed of Genesis 3:15.
Satan is the original serpent of Genesis 3:15.
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LYING pastor, did Revelation 19:14 -16 & 2 Thess 1:7-8 teach you that Jesus the Word is leading angels in battle & victory?
Yes.
Jesus the Archangel Michael is the leader of all angels, indeed the head of all principalities and powers cruising to victory over Satan, Revelation 12:7-9.

Pastor wey no know him Bible is displaying his ignorance.

Jesus Christ is an angel obeying Yahweh's voice and performing Yahweh's word. Psalms 103:30=John 14:24, Psalms 110:1-2.

Pastor wey no know him Bible.

Who gave Jesus Christ the command to forgive sins?

Psalms 103:20, Jesus Christ is obeying Yahweh's voice and performing Yahweh's word.
The disciples forgave sins, because Jesus taught them to perform Yahweh's word, Psalms 103:20 & John 7:16.

You are a rebellious liar. Seeing plain truth and denying it. Your punishment will be worse in hell. Keep rebelling against the word of God. You will weep and gnash your teeth day and night. You will remember these posts. But it will be too late to repent.

MaxInDHouse:
You called me:


But now you ran away only to start typing nonsense.

Here is the question i asked you:


If you can't handle mature discussion try never to mention my name again on this forum please i hate mad people calling my name!

Run away from a serial liar? You are funny.

What kind of question is this? Michael is a name. Please rephrase your question.

MaxInDHouse:
That's exactly what a Jew will tell you if you claim Jesus is the Christ.

So enjoy your delusion!

Your time to enter hell is near. You are a child of perdition. Russell and Rutherford are already there suffering and regretting why they deceived many with their false teachings.

OkCornel:
How does giving all you have automatically translates to legitimising monetary tithing for the gentile believers? 🤷

Can you provide the book, chapter and verse where God requested monetary tithes as a condition before blessing gentile believers either in the old or New Testament? 🤷

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Only babies stall argue about tithing. The wise ones are giving over 50% of their incomes to advance the course of the gospel. You are here arguing about 10%. Please, grow up.

MaxinDHouse, come and defend your lies.

The Jehovah Witness asserts that our Lord Jesus is the same person as Angel Michael. This is false. Below are reasons based on scriptures why Jesus cannot be the same person as angle Michael.

1. Jesus is Worshiped, but Angels (Including Michael) Are Not
Hebrews 1:6 – “Let all God’s angels worship him.”
The Bible commands all angels to worship Jesus, which includes Michael if he were an angel. However, only God deserves worship (Matthew 4:10).
Revelation 5:11-14 – Angels, living creatures, and elders worship Jesus, calling Him worthy to receive power and glory.
Colossians 2:18 – Warns against angel worship, meaning that Jesus, who is worshiped, cannot be an angel.

2. Jesus is the Son of God, Not an Angel
Hebrews 1:5 – “For to which of the angels did God ever say, ‘You are my Son; today I have begotten you’?”
This verse directly refutes the idea that Jesus is an angel. God never called any angel His begotten Son, but He called Jesus His Son.
John 3:16 – Jesus is called the only begotten Son of God, distinguishing Him from angels.

3. Jesus is the Creator, but Angels Are Created
John 1:1-3 – Jesus is the Word, and “through Him, all things were made.”
Colossians 1:16-17 – “For by Him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible.”
Jesus created all things, including angels. Michael, as an angel, would have been created, meaning he cannot be Jesus.

4. Michael is an Angel, But Jesus is God
Hebrews 1:8 – "But of the Son He says, ‘Your throne, O God, is forever and ever.’”
This shows that Jesus is God, not an angel.
Titus 2:13 – "Our great God and Savior Jesus Christ."
John 20:28 – Thomas calls Jesus "My Lord and my God."
Michael is always called an angel in Scripture, but Jesus is never called an angel. Instead, He is called God.

5. Michael Does Not Have Authority Over Satan, But Jesus Does
Jude 9 – Michael the Archangel says to Satan, "The Lord rebuke you!"
This shows that Michael does not have the authority to rebuke Satan directly.
Matthew 4:10 – Jesus directly commands Satan, "Be gone, Satan!"
Luke 10:18 – Jesus says, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.”
Jesus has absolute authority over Satan, unlike Michael.

6. Jesus is the King of Kings, But Michael is Just a Chief Prince
Revelation 19:16 – Jesus is called “King of Kings and Lord of Lords.”
Daniel 10:13 – Michael is called one of the chief princes, meaning he is not unique in authority.
Jesus is the sovereign ruler, while Michael is just a leading angel.

7. Jesus Sits at God’s Right Hand, But Angels Do Not
Hebrews 1:13 – “To which of the angels has He ever said, ‘Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet’?”
God never invited an angel to sit at His right hand, but Jesus sits there (Mark 16:19).
This proves Jesus is not an angel but the divine Son of God.

8. Jesus Has the Power to Forgive Sins, But Angels Do Not
Mark 2:5-7 – Jesus forgives sins, and the Pharisees say, "Who can forgive sins but God alone?"
Colossians 3:13 – Jesus has the power to forgive sins, proving He is God, not an angel.
No angel, including Michael, has the authority to forgive sins.

9. Jesus Will Judge the World, But Angels Do Not Judge
John 5:22 – "The Father judges no one, but has given all judgment to the Son."
Acts 17:31 – God will judge the world through Jesus.
Michael never judges anyone in the Bible, but Jesus is the appointed Judge of all mankind.

10. Jesus is the Good Shepherd, But Michael is Not
John 10:11, 14 – Jesus says, "I am the good shepherd."
Psalm 23:1 – “The Lord is my shepherd.”
Michael is never described as a shepherd, but Jesus is the Shepherd of God’s people.

11. Jesus is the Mediator, But Michael is Not
1 Timothy 2:5 – "For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus."
Michael is never called a mediator, but Jesus is the only mediator between God and people.

12. Jesus' Name is Above Every Name, But Michael is Just an Angelic Name
Philippians 2:9-11 – "God highly exalted Him and gave Him the name that is above every name."
Ephesians 1:21 – Jesus is exalted "above every name that is named, not only in this age but in the one to come."
If Jesus' name is above every name, then He is above Michael and all angels.

delkuf:
I had this argument recently with a jw and he showed me some bible verses that angel Michael is Jesus Christ. I must confess this guy almost won me and over with his argument. So I want to ask, can anyone bring out bible verses to refute this claim.



I believe that the Lord Jesus Christ can never be angel Michael. I just want bible verses to refute this because the jw is coming on Saturday to continue this argument

Hebrews 1:5-9
5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. note

7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. note

8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. note

9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

I am shocked at the gross ignorance of professing believers. How can you say that Jesus is Angel Micheal?

The passage above clearly distinguishes Jesus from Angels.

Angels were created but Jesus is the creator.

Angels don't accept worship but Jesus accepts worship. Angels worship Jesus.

Angels are servants but Jesus is God’s first born child from the dead.

May God deliver the church from gross ignorance.

They are wicked employers. It's intentional. That company will close up in few years to come..

CHAPTER ONE
God’s Faithfulness


Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God. And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus. (Philippians 4:6-7)

For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us. (2 Corinthians 1:20)

Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward. For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise. (Hebrews 10:35-36).

For the promise is unto you and to your children...(Acts. 2:39)

And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us. And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him. (1 John 5:14-15)

To be Continued

Steep:
Where in the scripture did it say Jesus went to hell to continue his suffering, I can show you from scripture that Jesus payment for sin ended on the cross, stop adding to scripture what it didn't say just because it trickles your fancy.

The scripture says:

Colossians 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

To understand the phrase, 'having spoiled principalities', let's look at the rendering in another translation:

"Having made himself free from the rule of authorities and powers, he put them openly to shame, glorying over them in it."(Bible in Basic English).

Notice the phrase;
"Having made himself free from the rule of authorities and powers"

You only make yourself free from what was holding you captive.

There was a battle in hell. Initially, Satan appeared to have the upper hand as a new sinners in quote just entered his domain.

Remember, our sins were laid on Jesus on the cross. So, Jesus at that moment was a sinner under divine judgement. Satan too, took advantage of it and tortured him for a while until he freed himself. He also took from Satan the keys of hell and death.

The carnal mind cannot understand this. Let me just stop here for you to digest this first.

Dtruthspeaker:
Please do not speak foolishly. No where did you see Satan rule over Him. The bible clearly said He went there of Hs own. Common sense tells you clearly that it was a "state visit" exactly how judges and governors go to prisons.

And like them you see He came out on His Own.

Clearly, Jesus was showing us that death is just another world.

And that He went there to preach to them. which the bible also tells us that they may not have been condemned if Christ had not preached to them.

Thus, His Visit was to end all salvation of the human race both for the living and the first dead!

Its as simple as that correct your madness of Satan had power over Christ, you are not clearly mad most especially as he did not when Christ was alive on the earth is it now in the grave where Christ chose to go to, with still the record that He did no sin?

please think well. The mere fact thatI bulls and pigeons were used as sacrifice did not mean that they sinned the sins of fornication, stealing, lying, wockedness etc

But Jesus was physically brutalised before his crucifixion. Why couldn't God stop them from beating his Son. In fact, they even spat on him and God was watching. Who stirred them to do it? Satan of course. So, if Jesus could be mercilessly beaten in the physical world, what makes you think Satan couldn't do it in the spirit world. More so in his own very domain; hell.

Dtruthspeaker:
Satan held God captive? Men jw has made you mad!

Yes, because Jesus was made sin for us. So, at that moment, Satan had dominion over him. But when God, the Father saw that the demand of justice has been met, he declared the entire human race free. That was when Jesus threw off the principalities that held him and he made a public spectacle of them.

Dtruthspeaker:
See jw lies. The bible expressly said He went to preach, you say He went to suffer.

Yes, he preached after he defeated Satan who held him captive for a while.

jazzman7711:
This is all so much nonsensical gobbledegook.

You have no reason to believe any of this crap.

You can actually be a moral, decent human being without 'believing in' ANYTHING.

You have an in-built moral sense because you are a manifestation of God.

We know your pastor doesn't teach you this level.

Your unbelief doesn't change the truth of God’s word. In addition, you will end up in hell. And it will be regrets upon regrets.

Michael547:
So what kind of death did his spirit die, Physical or spiritual?

Where does the Bible teach that it was Jesus soul without the body and spirit that went to hell to suffer?

Acts 2:27-31
27 Because thou wilt not leave my SOUL IN HELL, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

28 Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.

29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. note

30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that HIS SOUL WAS NOT LEFT IN HELL, neither his flesh did see corruption.

haddeylium:
People in general connect the word “prophet” with predictions of the future. Though prophets in the Bible usually proclaimed predictions about the future, the Scriptural definition of a prophet is wider:
In Bible times, prophet is a person who receives specific messages . they do not do that under their own initiative.

Today the organisation of Jehovah’s Witnesses act like a prophet in that we proclaim an old message, one that was written down in the pages of the Bible. We spread nothing new.

We have never made any false predictions.What we have been guilty of is misunderstanding some of the prophecies that relate to the “end times”.
Afterall, we never claimed that our researches are infallible. Contrary to many religions, we are prepared to change if we find out we were incorrect.

You can visit Jw.org for more information.
Use the keyword; Bible prophesy

My Post is for those who have deep interest in Bible and what it really teaches and It is not meant to challenge or dispute any personal belief and nor will I debate such. if your comments/questions are civil, I'll reply them'.


Have a great day

What do you understand prophecy to be. It's foretelling the future events. This they have done several times and all have failed.

Go and search the Internet for their many failed prophecies.

Michael547:
Kindly quote the Bible verse that says that Jesus spirit died and that it was his soul that was alive and went to suffer in hell.

Jesus died twice on the cross. He first died spiritually before he died physically.

He died spiritually when God forsook him.

Isaiah 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

You certainly will not see a scripture which says that Jesus died spiritually but it is implied.

Spiritual death is separation from God.

Michael547:
What of his spirit?

His spirit was dead on account of sin but received a new life on the resurrection morning.

Michael547:
What part of Jesus went to hell to suffer?

It was his soul.

Acts 2:27-31
27 Because thou wilt not leave my SOUL IN HELL, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

28 Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.

29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. note

30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that HIS SOUL WAS NOT LEFT IN HELL, neither his flesh did see corruption.

rottennaija:
How is suffering punishments in hell my punishments? did i create hell? I did not exist then, so why should it have been my problem?

We inherited the sin of Adam by birth. It's in the gene.

1st Corinthians 15:21-22
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

Steep:
Jesus did not go to hell to suffer.

Where did he go after his death on the cross? Answer with proofs from the scripture.

We didn't choose darkness. It was imposed on us.

jazzman7711:
Why didn’t he just go to sleep for a couple of days instead of going through the whole “crucifixion” brouhaha?

Where is the “sacrificing his life for us” if he was out and about after 3 days?

Also how did he manage to climb out of his grave deep in the ground, or was that another “miracle”?

SMH.

The sacrifice he made was the blood he shed on the cross.

Secondly, he went to hell to suffer the punishment you and me were supposed to suffer.

He rose again from the dead to prove that death has been defeated. And all those who believe in Him will also rise up from the dead.

Besides, he rose from the dead with a glorified body that is not sustained by blood.

They should stop selling our crude oil in dollars. This is where the miracle of our economic recovery lies. Sell our crude oil in naira and the rest will be history.

More grace. In addition, please reach out to the poor and needy. Build homes for the homeless. Sponsor out of school children to schools. Etc

Corrections:
It is often said among Christians “ that they should love their enemies and pray for them”. Many Christians do make this statement without caring to know what it actually means. Many Christians believe this statement is a call to “stupidity” or “foolishness”.

Matthew 5:54

But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you.


Now, before we go further, we need to understand what "LOVE" means, then also why do we love.

Using God's standard definition for the word "love". It simply can be summarized as "ensuring that people do the right things at all time". It means correcting people who are not doing the right thing to do the right thing.

Prob 3:12
12. because the Lord disciplines those he loves, as a father the son he delights in.

Hebrew 12:5-6

5 And have you forgotten the encouraging words (corrective words) God spoke to you as his children? He said, “My child, don't make light of the LORD 's discipline, and don't give up when he corrects you. 6 For the LORD disciplines those he loves, and he punishes each one he accepts as his child.”

These verses point out that discipline is an evidence of the Lord's love. If He did not love us, He would not discipline us.

Now, correction or discipline is usually a though hurtful experience. Even in our society, the freedom of criminals are usually denied of them by putting them in a confined space called "prison" or "correction centre".

As a parent, when you fail to correct your children when they do wrong things, you actually "hate" and not "love" them. Even in marriage, love is far beyond SEX or KISSING. Sex or kissing does not entirely keep a marriage, but doing the right things (correct things which is the real love) COMPLETELY secures it.

Haven used God's standard of definition of what love is as pointed out in the scriptures,what then does it mean to love your enemy? Does it mean we should allow criminals have a filled day harming us without any resistance from us (Christians) NO! Why didn't Jesus show his love to criminals by allowing criminals to kill him when his time to die (as planned by heaven) as not come?

Jesus understands the true meaning of love so he wouldn't confuse stupidity with love. Jesus wouldn’t allow anyone to physically abuse him. Who dares that? Christians need to know this truth that executing justice and loving your enemies are not mutually exclusive.

1 Corinthians 13:6-7

6 It (talking about love) does not rejoice about injustice but rejoices whenever the truth wins out. 7 Love never gives up, never loses faith, is always hopeful, and endures through every circumstance.

We can see here, that justice is a form of correctional medium through which people can be corrected to do the right thing. Therefore, “loving your enemies” as a Christian is not a call to stupidity or foolishness, it is a call to correcting them so that they can depart from their evil ways.

It means love them in spite of what they do to you. And that involves:

1. Praying for them that they might be saved.
2. Do good to them when you have the opportunity.
3. Repay them good for the evil they do to you.
4. Asking God to have mercy on them.

illicit:
U see, why it is haram in islam is that u can't pray to Allah while under the influence

So how much more when u are with Allah in heaven

Well I dunno, I am not a muslim

So, are you born again?

The truth is that those at the top don't are actually enjoying the situation. Why the majority are hungry. These few politicians and heads of petroleum industries are making more money.

Tomorrow, these unwise suffering masses will still vote them in for a plate of meal.

FG should always have a holistic approach to issues in Nigeria. What happens to citizens living in other states? We all have equal rights. This is discrimination. And Tinubu should be sued for this.

Janosky:
Paul and John both apostles NEVER said so.

Your Trinitarian invention is NOT in the holy scriptures.

John's Testimony

John 1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. note

6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.

7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.

8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.

9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: note

13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

14 And the WORD WAS MADE FLESH, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Jesus Testimony

John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? HE THAT HATH SEEN ME HATH SEEN THE FATHER; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

Paul’s Testimony
Colossians 1:15 Who is the IMAGE OF THE INVISIBLE GOD, the firstborn of every creature:

Hebrews Testimony

Hebrews 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the EXPRESS IMAGE OF HIS PERSON, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

I ask again, What is your problem?

Do you want more evidence on the Deity of Jesus?