₦airaland Forum

Good God!

There is no smoke without fire. Dismissing this report because of its source may just be a mistake we cannot afford. Until it is credibly discredited, it is worth considering and taking precautions over. One thing I know for sure is that that ISIS demon wasn't coming in as a regular Joe to lodge in a hotel and see the sights. He was on a mission, he was going to be received and accommodated by someone or some people. It was a valid Nigerian visa! And on a fake passport that should have been detected. Don't throw away the baby with the bath water.

It's becoming a free for all so if Fashola has any dirt he should spill. I know Naija sha, all these ones na just IGG. They know where they meet and soon all of these will be swept under the carpet. It just shows that all dem politicians are rabid thieves from top to bottom. Anyone prepared to clean up has to go all d way, not embark on selective cleaning.

Everyone is innocent until proven guilty so until guilt is established every person is entitled to legal representation. The topic is misleading anyway cos I don't see where he outrightly tells lawyers not to represent corrupt clients. He's more on asking them not to exploit judicial loopholes but that is the job of every lawyer so the prosecution had better make sure they're prepared with good cases before approaching the court.

Na here our money go enter voicemail. Enough ICT training and estacodes to follow cos they must travel abroad for it o! Any Nigerian training will be padded for kick-backs! This is what happens when poorly educate and old people muscle their way into elective positions and will not even take the pains to develop themselves. The only thing they are sure of is their monetary entitlements! Even hardship allowance for ICT training will manifest and they will be paid too...

Na here our money go enter voicemail. Enough ICT training and estacodes to follow cos they must travel abroad for it o! Any Nigerian training will be padded for kick-backs! This is what happens when poorly educate and old people muscle their way into elective positions and will not even take the pains to develop themselves. The only thing they are sure of is their monetary entitlements!

elookoo:
Some journalist sha

the government position on this, that has been repeated often by vice president oshinbajo is that the government targets 25 million poorest Nigerians to be reached in 5years , I.e 5 million yearly. The financial implication is 25billion monthly, 300billion yearly which the govt can afford given the socio economic implications.

Even this scenario or 'position' is it feasible to you? In a country like ours that creating and maintaining a database of citizens is a problem abi where? What is the criteria for judging who the poorest is? Is it based on disability, lack of opportunity or plain laziness that decides the poverty level? Is it each poor Nigerian as an individual or family heads will receive 5k to distribute to his wife and kids? Which first 5million people will they start with? Which first 5 Million are more deserving than the other 20million? Who says the so-called 25million poorest will remain static? People make money and lose money everyday so who is who? How does 5k/month raise the first tranche of 5million people to a better level so they don't need the funds in the following year? So you put 'sugar' in their mouth, they relax in the comfort of 5k/month then after 1yr you tell them it is over and you feel you will not have a crises on your hands? Even broken relationship dey make one person pour another person acid how much more stomach and money-related matters? Think about it, it is not feasible!

HungerBAD:
Source?

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So Vanguard that i use to respect wants to put this hard working Government in a bad light? not a problem. President Buhari is an Honorable man, and will keep to his promises. As Long as Saraki and Dogora are ready to pass it into law in their Chambers,then i dont see how this can be a problem.

This man is barely 6 Months in Office, and all these PDP Hallelujah singers, are just grasping on any straw of criticism against this Government. It will not work, and Project Nigeria Will Be Great Again is on the March.

Sai Buhari.

The fact is that the promise is not even a feasible one but unfortunately, having used that to tantalize voters, they are stuck between a rock and a hard place. They are damned if they do and damned if they don't. They cannot even come out to say it is not feasible because they will never hear the last of it.

Being an honourable person means that you should know your capacity, what is obtainable and make promises within such parameters because you know u can fulfill them. However, playing on the unfortunate situation of gullible and deprived Nigerians-a situation which has been perpetuated by successive governments from military era till date-puts a question mark on that 'honourability'. In this day and age and with the kind of population we have, nobody makes such rash welfarist promises! The duty of a responsible govt is to create an enabling environment that empowers the citizens to create and enjoy wealth. Doling out money has never and will never be a path to development. The promise of it is meant to deceive and that is all! Besides, what can 5k afford on a monthly basis? That only encourages laziness and seals the fate of targeted recipients, condemning them to a life sentence of poverty.

HungerBAD:
Geopolitical Zones are recognized? Autonomous functions released to the Regions? are you serious? are the Zones not recognized? our constitution does not grant autonomous powers to any region.

Moreover, it will be very dangerous to grant any kind of power to the East.

Because, by the time other regions will be busy building a United Nigeria, the East will be busy building another rounds of "Ogbunigwe" to start the Nigeria second Civil War.

After the Second World War, the American's occupied and are still occupying some parts of Germany and Japan, with their Military Bases, so as to keep an eye on them. The East is a place we all should keep a close eye on.

You, i have written earlier is a trouble maker, and i am seriously puzzled to how i have not noticed you before on Nairaland with the way you write.

You will be worth keeping an eye on.

I also asked you in the other post how you arrived at the conclusion that I am a trouble maker but you are yet to explain how. All you can do is attach labels without an explanation or justification and that in itself reduces your labeling to naught.

Now, by recognition of geopolitical zones I mean constitutional recognition. Currently they are used for administrative convenience and not detailed by law which everyone would be bound by. The constitution does not recognise or grant autonomous powers to any region and that is what any sound Nigerian who understands the current problems of governance in this country is advocating for. It is called re-structuring and devolution of powers. You even dare to bring the US into this discourse, saying that they maintain military bases in Japan and Germany to 'keep their eyes on them' and I ask you, what is the system of government practised in the US? What is it called the United States for? What is the UK called the United Kingdom for? It is because respective regions and states maintain their distinct and separate identities/autonomy while under a common name and government! The current system we run is one that stifles growth and potentials. This is the primary reason why governors can sit on their arses with no innovative ideas to generate funds or develop their regions because they know that each month Abuja will dole out their monthly stipends. At the end of the day, the unnecessary connection to the central government makes it possible for citizens to blame successive Presidents for non-development of their areas even where it is the responsibility of the governor.

Take the current crises in the Middle belt states (Plateau and Benue specifically) where u have unabated blood shed/loss of lives and properties among cattle rearers (Hausa/Fulani) and the farmers (indigenes). Still a governor who is supposedly Chief Security Officer of his state cannot do anything beyond 'platitudes and condemnation' because policing/security are the exclusive reserve of the FG. Even where the Governor can identify loopholes he cannot do much if an 'order from above' or 'body language' dictates otherwise. This is just one example that tells you that it is time to cut the apron strings! Imagine a situation where the President has a grouse or some kind of hatred for the a particular state or region or gives tacit support to one group over the other, what do u think will happen? He will very easily influence the posting of Police officers and security personnel that will do his bidding to the detriment of the other and this 'Federal' system supports that completely!

Coming to the East, how can you sit there and say the East is a place to keep an eye on? For what? As a conquered region/people that cannot decide what to do for themselves and chart their course for development or what? Dangerous to grant any kind of power to the East? Really?!
It is that overbearing mentality and presence that reverberates through this lopsided union we currently operate. Nobody likes war or fight! The Igbo man loves peace as much as any other person because if nothing else, his business and hustle will go well and he will make his money and look after his people. First, the Eastern/Igbo region is founded on a con-federal system. Power is not centered in one figure of authority as is obtainable in the North and S/W where the Emirs and Obas function as demigods. Rather clans and families have their representatives that make up the council of chiefs or elders. The Igwe will not take a decision until these family heads are in agreement or convinced that a step being proposed is the right one. The Igbo man is wired to go for what he needs because he is an authority unto himself at any level so naturally this current system of governance sticks in his craw. The agitation for a regional system of government will continue to sound loud and clear and you should know that the East is not alone in this. The alternative to this is total separation or secession.

The regions need to be autonomous in order to exercise control over their resources and develop at their pace. Saying the East will be developing ogbunigwe rather than working towards a united Nigeria is tantamount to pre-empting them and calling them unpatriotic. You have no leg to stand on in that guise because there is no one more committed to the Nigerian project than the Igbo man. You see them spread out everywhere because they are prepared to take chances anywhere, blend in and excel. There are criminals and ne'er-do-wells spread out among all tribes so no one is more righteous than the other.

I will be worth keeping an eye on...yeah, u do that cos I will certainly give u all the dosages of truth and objectivity that you have failed to see all along. Good thing your eyes have opened now and you have 'noticed' me.

Abugab:
Biafra is not going to war anymore as no Igbo person wants war again. The civil war experience still lingers and I am sure no one wants that again as it could be worse. Its only a young generation who are preaching this hate and they really don't know what went down during the civil war and are not listening to the words of advice from the elders.
On BH, I am sure Nigeria will overcome and everything put behind us and likely, those behind exposed.
We are better together than going desperate ways.
God bless a united Nigeria.

True we are better as a united Nigeria but until the terms of this unity are discussed and agreed upon this current system will continue to engender agitations. We are a combination of many nations and a regional system is the best way for these regions to exercise their rights to be recognised as such whilst under a united Nigeria.
I am certain that the call for separation will simmer down once regions or d geopolitical zones are recognised, released to function as autonomous regions while the centre takes care of external issues like defence, foreign relations and so on. Core developmental issues like education, health, internal security and resource development should be dealt with at regional levels.

HungerBAD:
You are a trouble maker.

Really? How please? Is there anything I said that isn't true or the right thing to do? So what trouble? Pray tell!

omenka:
Imagine the devilish hypocrisy of those people. They assume sleeping dogs shouldn't be allowed to lie yet want us to, just like Reverend Kukawa, let bygones be bygones over Jonathan's regime's unmitigated stealing.

I condemned the Oba statement then and still hold the opinion it was very provocative and unbecoming of a figure his standing in the society- but some people who see people like Nnamdi Kanuwa et al who preach the extermination of a people as role models have no right whatsoever demanding such justice.

If there had been reparation there would be no need to demand such justice according to u. The Nigerian govt having denied a people the right to self-determination and in the process ravaged their regions has not done anything geared towards restoration and re-integration. Until that is done then generations to come will keep agitating and demanding justice till they get it. The Oba has made no conciliatory moves towards those he vilified and threatened so the sleeping dog must be kept awake!

Bishop Kukah never said investigation should not be made into the dealings of the past administration. His point was let governance not be sacrificed on the altar of probes. Any responsible govt or leader must understand and possess the skill of multi-tasking and delegation of responsibility. Also the probes must be done transparently not hanging some out to dry as scapegoats while shielding others because of certain interests.

HungerBAD:
Have you not said things and you instantly regret it? And you hide your head in shame privately?

This is an OBA Who used poor words, but could not for the sake of the Office he holds, make a formal public apology.

But of course his foot soldiers, left and right were apologizing on his behalf, this included top politicians, common sense will tell you he sent them to apologize.

What kind of remorse did you want him to show? Take a full advertorial on a National Newspaper to beg?

You guys should let a sleeping dog enjoys it's nap, after eating biscuit bone.

First, no unreserved apology and acknowledgement of wrongdoing has ever been communicated even on his behalf. The so-called emissaries only tried to justify or cover up the obvious intent of such utterances. He is the only one that can actually convey remorse for making such hateful statements and allowing others do his job for him amounts to further rubbing it in the faces of those he threatened. Even a child u beat up will keep crying and seeking attention till u comfort him or her then how much more intelligent adults and fellow Nigerians! If he is truly regretful then it is not too much to ask for him to take responsibility for his words and own up to them! If he mustered so much pride and high handedness as 'a whole Oba' to make such statements then he should be humane and humble enough to apologise and make amends. That is the hallmark of a great leader...being able to own up to mistakes and make up for them.

Nobody is going to demand his head on a platter but an acknowledgement and apology even going further to enjoin his subjects to embrace peace with the people he threatened and vilified will suffice. In as much as he is too much of an Oba to do so then the affected people are free to keep that dog awake! If he did not send emissaries to attack then he should not send them to cover-up.

bushdoc9919:
And what would happen ten , twenty years after you leave office?

And what was happening before you entered office?

Don't excuse those lazy governors, LG chairmen and water board executives. Either they earn their pay....or we do away with LG chairmen, governors etc....and declare that the President of Nigeria is also the LG chairman of every LG and the state governor of every state...

Understand my point. Yes , all those saddled with specific responsibilities ought to do their jobs and justify their pay but still I recognise something called special interest. I may not do it directly but I must ensure that whoever has the responsibility to do something does it. That us the reason I advocate for strong principles and institutions rather than persons so that even when I leave office and others do too, what ought to get done will be done. My 'special interest' may just be the icing on the cake but justice must not only be done but be seen to be done.

HungerBAD:
Laughing too at you.

Somebody wrote in here some days ago, that all your cries should be sent to the JOKES section, I agree.

You guys carry a deep resentment against letting go.

U talk about letting go in such an insensitive manner. Who are u to decide how a person or people react to being hurt? Especially when no actual remorse has been shown! U don't get to decide how long they can 'wail' for or even how they choose to go about it.

Call me tribalist or anything but there is no way I will enter an influential office not to talk of the highest office in the land and my people/hometown will not feel the difference. This is where I fault GEJ. He was busy chasing after shadows while leaving his own backyard to rot when he'll still go back to the same place. Trying to please others and allowing a few jeopardise his government in the name of patronage earned him nothing and he should have seen the writing on the wall. If he had at least taken care of his region he'd have been even more celebrated while not deliberately sidelining others.

According to Tinubu, it is time for honeymoon so no need to worry now. But one thing I know for sure is that it is from the smell of the fart that you'll know d taste of the shiit. We watch and wait.

This is such an unfortunate situation and these demons must be driven from among us! The Nigerian govt being what it is will never be able to forestall these heinous attacks but if the Berom ppl put themselves together and attempt an offensive or retaliation they will actually stop them! So why not put an end to the persistent menace of cattle rearers that will not do their business peacefully without damaging lives and sources of livelihood? These were part of the issues raised during the National Conference and the recommendation was to convert the cow-rearing trade to ranching and phase out the nomadic system. That way they have their own areas and encroachment can stop. Of course it is not being implemented so the status quo remains. Yet Buhari has actually taken time to call for protection of cattle rearers without addressing the ongoing massacres in middle belt states like Plateau n Benue! Hmmm! This his body language is really permissive of these crimes!

Not to divert the thread but this should show certain characters that they should appreciate and embrace people who migrate to other areas and settle peacefully while carrying out their businesses rather than kill and destroy.

Make sure it is not traceable to him and then we split!

patrotic9gerian:
Dat picks was taking a day after over a hundred Nigerians lost their lives in a National tragedy and not a day b4 the incidence....
#God has liberated Nigeria from death...

If you had read well you'd see he stated the same thing in another form...twelve and a dozen..

ibedun:
Shut up your mouth, Lagos remains the sole property of the indegenes. Every body is in Lagos but Igbo's reckless long throat immigration is going to tip the scale and lead to a serious conflict. Your numbers are beginning to unsettle and threaten the owners of the land and its just a matter of time before push comes to shove. We use to welcome you lot but now we just want you to get lost and go and lay your claim to the federal capital in Abuja.

No, u shut ur ethnically biased mouth and pay attention! Call it what you will but in as much as Lagos is part of Nigeria and the constitution guarantees freedom of movement and freedom to set up one's business in any part of Nigeria there is absolutely nothing you can do. The Igbo, Efik, Hausa, Urhobo or any other that has legitimately bought land and properties, made investments and settled there have as much claim as any indigene. They may not make any claim to the politics which u know is a game of numbers but their rights are as sacrosanct as yours. They are not there illegally so there is absolutely nothing you can do. The right thing is for the FG to diversify infrastructure such as seaports and airports to international standards across the country especially those with access to navigable waters and there will be a natural decongestion. People will naturally move towards where they can ply their trades easily and with less cost. In as much as it is all concentrated in Lagos as it is then the influx will increase. It is a fact of life and there is nothing you can do.

Now, do u expect a person who has established his business and source of income to keep floating around? No, unless he is a nomad so he will put down roots and as he progresses acquire properties, get married, have children, pay his taxes, contribute to the development of where he finds himself and continue the cycle of life. That is a stark reality and there is no need to feel 'threatened' by their numbers. Owners of the land...were their lands forcibly taken? Were they not paid for and ownership transferred?

Naturally if u decide to raise a conflict then the people must protect what is theirs. They will not roll over and play dead so there u have it.

Umuchoke:
Biko, umu Igbo ibem, hapunu thread a. Onye nwee ya bu ezigbo onye ara

Eziokwu nwanne! Ha puta ha n'ekwu inyo no ha n'onu! Nkita racha kwa ya anya. Jisie ike nwanne n'anyi ga enwe mmeri!

patrotic9gerian:
Exactly dear... That is why we must put sentiments aside and support PMB. He is just less than 3 months in Power and we are crucifying him. Let us encourage PMB. Yes he is a Muslim but he is still our brother (one Nigeria) and we may not even be better in attitude and fear of God as compared to some Muslims.
Lets keep religion, region and ethnicity aside and support PMB for even these killings are not his faults. They are inheritances from GEjs poor leadership in past 4 years. PMB is putting so much efforts so that BH be eliminated from our land. Lets all support him.

God bless PMB, God bless Nigeria, God bless Africa.

Oh my goodness! Dense is an understatement! There was no crucifixion anywhere! The NGO simply stated the the number of deaths recorded in the last three months and GMB must take responsibility for it the same way u are labeling GEJ! The saying that you can take a horse to the stream but you cannot force it to drink is very apt! No one expected GEJ to wield guns and go marching to into the bokoharam fights. There was support from their fellow muslims and politicians at first which caused it to escalate. Subsequently, he released funds as he ought to but some people decided to cash in on the situation as a money-making venture and the problems continued. Still u say it is GEJ's bad leadership. Now he has stepped out of office and Buhari with his many promises has stepped in with nothing to show for it you still call it an inheritance because he is about 3 months in office. Tell me then, when will he be taken to task and held responsible for what is goin on? When he's been in for One year? Two? The entire tenure and a second term?

When people are killed these stories of GEJ and GMB don't hold water. All their relatives see/feel is hurt and betrayal and they want it to stop now! So you see that GMB doesn't have the luxury of time. So when the death rates appear even higher now than before people must cry cos they are hurting and u cannot tell me supporting Buhari means muzzling the press! No! It means he must hear the truth and ensure that what ought to be done is done. Tomorrow, when the idiotic criminals are wiped out will u not hail Buhari? He is President and as he enjoys all benefits of the office he must also bear the associated wahala! So he must take the flak or the honour as and when due. He doesn't get to pick and choose and neither do you for him so stop the sanctimonious preaching!

patrotic9gerian:
Hello Kenny.. Please read my post again... I jut updated it and has finished all I have to say... God bless Nigeria...

I read it, noticed the update and responded accordingly. There is no way hiding the news of atrocities committed by a bunch of useless criminals called boko haram translates to what u call your full support for Buhari. U cannot justify it and that is why u coloured ur entire post with religious references. U need to get beyond that point man, governance must be separated from religion and must be mutually exclusive of each other.

patrotic9gerian:
Hello dear... Dont be ashamed on my behave because I strongly believe and stand by my comment just mentioned by you. Okay let me analyse things for you. Please take time to read to the end. I am a born Christian, the most loved son and first born of our Lord Jesus Christ. I am also a patriotic Nigerian. In 2011, I saw the hand of God lifting GEJ to deliver Nigerian from all its troubles and attrocities... I was the number 1 Gej fan in this year. However, immediately he won the elections, I observed in his four years leadership that he never seeked the face of God before making decisions. He is a very good and humble man; however, he ruled Nigerian with his own human wisdom. He didn't take decisions when crucial decisions were to be taken and took somany costly decisions that lead to the growth of Bokoharam insurgents. Bokoharam grew under his watch and became amongst the world's most deadly sect. over 13,000 innocnt Nigerians were murdered in cold blood under his watch. Now back to Buhari. He is a muslim and I choose to give him 100% support against GEJ whom is my Christian brother because Jesus would love even a pagan whom will serve his children with the fear of Go so that His name be glorified. Buhari sofar inherented the challanges of poor governance from GEJ and bokoharam increased killings of innocent Nigerians immediately buhari took over. So far, I commend the efforts of the Nigerian military and I encourage every patriotic Nigerian to support and encourage the Nigerian military so that collectively we can defeat and flush away terrorism from our land. Yes news like this encourages the sects to fight more. Buhari has show so far his willingness to put an end to BH and so lets all keep sentiments aside and give him full support for the interest of our dear country Nigeria and unity of our fatherland as Nigeria is not a church nor a mosque. I pledge to support PMB to eliminate the predicaments of Nigeria.

God bless nigeria, God bless Africa.

Deciding not to publish stories and figures of boko haram mayhem has nothing to do with Christianity or support of Buhari. My point is, the truth must be heard and let the right actions be taken. Don't feed me the born again line cos if you were you would not be advocating for the concealment of atrocities against human beings like yourself. How does that even amount to support for Buhari or GEJ? Here u are quoting the death of over 13000 people, if their deaths and the statistics were hidden as u are advocating now would u have that figure to raise or point to? Please, desist form the Christianity claim and do not use the name of Our Lord in vain. How does hiding the stories of wickedness support Buhari?

Really? And what is the feasibility of your contest? Are u referring to some Igbo families that have been there even longer than some Yorubas? Or are u referring to the Lagos that is a central representation of all Nigerians especially in commerce? You people always forget that Lagos is not like other core South Western states. It may be situated in Yorubaland but having been the seat of power, it is a common heritage to all Nigerians, more so for those who have made investments and settled there. The residents there from whichever tribe have as much claim to it as any other person whether indigene or not and this is not out of spite or an attempt to show off but a real representation of facts which cannot be denied.

There really isn't any basis for your so-called contest, there are other tribes of Nigerians and even foreigners in Lagos. It should rather be a thing of joy that there is a place where Nigerians can live in unity and pursue their businesses and other legitimate concerns. When any specific group is threatened under whatever guise it should be condemned by all without reservation! Lagos is part of Nigeria and Nigerians are constitutionally guaranteed the right to live and work or do businesses anywhere so just be real and leave those imaginary thoughts you've got.

True words! How I wish readers will take the time to digest this news and admit the obviously glaring truth. It is all or nothing! Selective justice is injustice and corruption in itself. If GMB knows he wants to recover stolen monies and really sanitise the system then he should take the more realistic timeline of 1999 i.e the current democratic/civilian dispensation. Granted, previous governments should have done so but did not because of the chop-I-chop mentality they had. However if we are to believe this change then he must act differently and correctly. They must do things differently from the previous governments where necessary. It is either that or he starts on a clean sate then sets up functional institutions that will check subsequent cases and plug all loopholes unless there is an ongoing perpetration which must be addressed.

Let the truth be said and admitted for once without bias. If Obasanjo and Atiku had remained PDP stalwarts this 2010 probe story would have been different. All or nothing!

ddippset:
that's a lie. They said officials of the last administration. No one mentioned 2010. Stop imagining things.

Do u still think I am 'imagining things'? Besides, I haven't seen any report on Wike or the Rivers Govt limiting their probe to the last 18 months of Amaechi's tenure. Can u provide a link?

patrotic9gerian:
I am not evil but I love my country. I encourage you to put sentiment aside and support the govt of Buhari to take us forward as a nation. I am a Christian and choose to consider all Nigerians as one and being equally created and loved by God our creator (even if you are a pagan or atheist). The end of boko haram is near and news like this will encourage more attacks on innocent and defenseless Nigerians. God bless Nigeria... God bless Africa...

Seriously?! So Nigerians should not hear the truth anymore so as not to 'encourage' more attacks? What about those attacked? How do u think they would feel if their stories are muzzled and there is no public outcry against what they are facing? And that is the change u preach? The change that has come? I am ashamed on your behalf and this is you being a patriotic Nigerian?!

Trailblazer1:
I'm the chief wailingwailer

I thought a former General will deal decisively with bokoharam, but alas, its the same clueless story.

We are left to our own fate in a sorry state.
I wail

He is leading from the front as he said he would na. Or isn't he? If nothing else his 'body-language' shows his 'frontal' style of leadership

ddippset:
Am very sorry about that but it's just, your logic is very annoying.

https://www.nairaland.com/2507959/buhari-begins-total-probe-jonathans

Apology accepted. Please read this and see what I referred to when I said GMB and crew also proposed a specific timeline. It is a Vanguard newspapwer report too so it's no 'propaganda' as people call it now.