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Just30:
In Ghana, unless there is an occasion going on, you hardly find people just walking along the street except for hawkers

next time you come to Ghana, just check the pops, bars and restaurants after 6PM

I didn't know there were that many Turks in Ghana until i roamed around East Legon Turkish DNR and Palace after 6pm

The Turks wanted to use Ghana as their entry point to west Africa. they are mostly in construction. They have done the same in Angola, Rwanda and Tanzania. they usually live together in large numbers very soon they will start putting up restaurants and other businesses in east Lego and spread towards legon in fact very soon the students at legon will be served turkish delicacies heheheh

Just30:
there is nothing like one seaport and 2 seaport

There is Terminal 1, Terminal 2 and fishing Harbour

Now there is Terminal 3

The only construction work that was carried out at Tema Harbour was the construction of a Bulk Jetty to Increase the Berth from 12 to 16 at Terminal 1
Construction started in 2013 and ended in 2016.
Construction firm was AMANDI.

Now we call that berth the Clinker berth.

Terminal 2 started operation in 2007.

Clearly you were testing me when you said you worked at Tema harbour. terminal 1 and terminal 2 in Tema are referred by seaport 1 and 2. and I know what I'm saying when I tell you it was still under construction in 2013
I've even named the bus lines and even companies at the port as you requested or..you still don't believe

chrisagyei:
I said 3% of the population are specifically white Europeans and even with that being a huge underreporting of the number of whites or foreigners in the country thus the president budgeting more than a billion dollars to identify the total number of non Ghanaians from the Ghanaian citizens in the country which will bring the true number of non Ghanaians in the country. From the last census,20 million out of the over 26 million population in Ghana were Ghanaian citizens with the rest not being Ghanaians

So that leaves 6 million people who ain't ghanaians
that being said I know a number of neighbouring countries surrounding you have a lot of their citizens in your country.
do you still maintain Ghana has over a million non-black people living inside it's borders?

vaxx:
i didn't clearly says anything, that another moniker, obviously your mind is not functioning well.

You are limited to word and fact , so basically word, if not properly explained to you might be giving you headache . Europeans dosnt necessary mean people with pale skin and long nose. a black negro born and acquired British citizenship is a black European, a white with Ghanaian citizenship is a white Ghanaian . the skin is not a standard of nationality but races. physical traits and nationality aren't 'the same boy.

I am done the basis of this conversation was to show there wasn't 3% of the population in Ghana being non-black or two millionnon-black people living in Ghana.

Sorry for quoting you, meant to reply to him.

kikuyu1:
MY GOODNESS!? Really,nigga!Your type is quite common-you only know what you know,the pedestrian,long debunked BS repeated by primary school kids. Here are Baganda origins:
https://www.buganda.or.ug/index.php/our-history/the-past/origin-of-buganda

Was going to continue with more histories of Bantus and show how even the Cameroonians you claim Bantus split from 2000 years,the Bassa had gotten as far as W Asia thousands of years ago but remembered this Egyptian royal mummy dna study.

It is rather obvious nothing is going to change your opinion even hard evidence including current tribes in central and west Africa. while none exists in Ethiopia or north Africa. You are quoting buganda folklore as evidence? going by that why don't we use Kikuyu folklore
about mumbi and her nine daughters or we use.maasai with there descending from heaven on a hide with cattle. you want us to use Buganda folklore as evidence because it fits your conspiracy theory that they came from abyssinia.. dude at some point you will realize you are doing more damage to kikuyus than actually helping by this whitewashed history of yours.
remove the tinfoil cap and put on the thinking hat bro

vaxx:
Then coined a word for it. in as much you mentioned the word cosmopolitan, it means you are referring to what it means generally . that is a country having large number of people from different countries .

by colour, Ghana might not have 2 million non black but by citizenship, you are far from the truth. many Ghanaians are even holding two passport since dual citizenship is allowed .

really now bro we are arguing over a word..fine Ghana is cosmopolitan. it doesn't have two million non-black people living there

[b]by colour, Ghana might not have 2 million non black but by citizenship, you are far from the truth. many Ghanaians are even holding two passport since dual citizenship is allowed .[/quote]what does that even mean. you clearly said Ghana has
3% of it's population as European and I refuted it. all countries which have dual citizenship have a large number of people holding two different citizenships that's the whole point of having it.
I don't think I get your point bro !

vaxx:
Go and check the dictionary definition of cosmopolitan before using it again

I know exactly what cosmopolitan means. in my context I was referring to non-black people in Ghana.
And yes there aren't two million non-black people in Ghana

Just30:
what seaport are you referring to?

From you write up below, you dont know the port and neither did you work on the expansion.

Before the expansion, the Duty-free shop already existed and it is just one shop

Terminal 2 construction ended in 2007

I'm referring to 1 seaport and 2 seaport in tema, Ghana
dude I know what I'm talking about. I have clearly stated
where I worked and even offices in Accra, that is not enough terminal 2 was still under construction in 2013
and in fact from what I gather no shops filled the 14 duty free allocations at the harbour. Flemingo international wanted two shops out of the fourteen. when I first got there it was the only duty free operater. ask away anything

vaxx:
if I push you a little you will be exposed. but that is not the main point of the topic.

cosmopolitan simply means people from different country . that is by far too large in Ghana.for example , Ghana has the largest concentration of America student in west Africa and second in subsahran Africa after South Africa. this is different from individual who came to visit as tourist or carry out business transaction. some individual have adopted here as their second home while some has fathered many Ghanaians today dating back to slave trade era .

there's no exposing that can happen to me, cause if you look at my history in nairaland I have been saying the same. I have been privileged to visit many countries in Africa. Ghana, Rwanda and Gabon are different because I actually lived in those countries not just staying for a few weeks. Also if you haven't noticed I don't go for cheap points or baseless arguments. I just call out lies..so there's nothing to expose here. I'm one.of those Africans who consider themselves pan African

Just30:
I work at the Harbour

WHich part of the harbour did you work?
what work did you do and who was your department head?

How many shops are there at the duty-free area?
Is duty free located at port 1 or port 2 ?

Ghana became cosmopolitan way back in the 1900s and has remained so

I worked at 1 seaport, when I left the port was still under construction as of now I don't know how many shops are there. the plan was to have 14 shops in 2 seaport.
some of the clients I worked with who I can remember was flemingo international, mariners club.. to get to the port I would take the 211 or 347 transit line depending on where I was coming from. we had other offices in.accra at Roman ridge opposite the Bangladesh or indian embassy can't remember which one. Is that enough or you want more proof?

vaxx:
You haven't lived in Ghana, I can confidently tell from that hogwash view of yours. there are Ghanaian -Arabs with European decent . infact Ghana has the largest population of Arabs in west Africa( Google the factl) . Ghana first president marry an Egyptian Arab.

And i might also says Ghana has the largest concentration of mullato children in west Africa. Ghana former president has a Scottish father ( Jerry rawlings) the Ghanaian diplomat heading the UNO Africa headquarter ( Nairobi) also has Hungarian mother. Hannah tetteh. etc...

Europeans has been in Ghana since 14 century, that is way before kenya . i.e from Portuguese to the British.....many of them father many children who are presently Ghanaian today. you will find them in cape coast, elimina and some area of western region.

I have lived and worked in Ghana for one whole year this is not an argument bro. the only way I can prove that is by posting pictures and I'm not going to do that in a faceless forum.

Anyways I worked in Tema harbor during it's expansion in 2013, I lived there designed some of the facilities there ask me anything about the harbor, I designed even the duty free shops there. And fyi there were no large European communities claiming to be even 3rd generation ghanaians Lebanese as with the rest of west Africa are present. So yes Ghana is multi ethnic but to call it cosmopolitan it's a stretch. There aren't over two million non-black people in Ghana

Austine1212:
Its from the coloured community, khoisan people, you should know that SA has large malay people thou they ąre classified colored

What is identity according to you?

Why were you shocked when there are millions of white people,? intermarriage

What were youyou doing in SA?

I was being trained by a south African company that wanted to expand to other parts of Africa. so they brought us all to the cape. eventually the company moved its headquarters to centurion.

kikuyu1:
That's the 2nd time you've accused me of whitewashing. Fyi, you don't know anyone on the net- don't impute motives!
It took generations for proto Kyukes to get her from Egypt: mixing ofc occurred along the way. There was a later migration from N Ethiopia to these parts early 1200s but imo they were a completely new and distinct immigrant group.
Kikuyus and Kaos were among the early ME Bantu population. I had a post where terms for Mesopotamian spirits were shown to be IDENTICAL to todays Kao vocabulary.

Dude I consider you to be clever like all conspiracy theorists. But this is all hogwash no bantu tribes were in northern Africa, absolutely no bantu tribes were in ME.
why would farmers bother with dry and unpredictable climates in those areas?
The reason why some kambas settled in dry regions is because of intermarriage with khoisan like tribes who were hunter gatherers. And where does honey come from in kenya? those areas right..
if there were bantu groups in ME, or north Africa or even Ethiopia wouldn't there be some people still left? or they migrated all of them? Bantu groups are the complete majority in central Africa and you still have Bantu tribes in west Africa who infact have kept there cultures pointing directly to the origins of the bantus as a whole to be this region. please for your sake stop whitewashing history. you will undermine the achievement of your people in doing so by attaching your people to another culture which you have been fed over time and time again and you are trying to feed us with this b.s

chrisagyei:
it's 3% of the 30 million population which gives you about 1 million white Europeans. This is separate from the 700,000 permanent residency permits issued by the immigration. Why is it a big deal to find more than 2 million white Europeans living in Ghana.These Europeans had been living in Ghana since 1471 which is way before Europeans even settled in Southern Africa. The only thing hampering their mass migration into then Gold Coast was the harsh weather conditions and the rebellious nature of some Kingdoms in then Gold Coast buh aside that they found everything normal including the mass reserve of gold in the land.When Nkrumah gained independence, millions of them were living in Ghana then buh due to the extreme political ideology of pan africanism,many of them had to return back to Europe and Nkrumah decided to welcome more African migrants than these Europeans. Buh since Nkrumah left some of them returned and now account for more than a million of the population buh the constitution still regard them as foreigners. Take Ernesto Taraconi who's a billionaire,owns trassaco estate and many businesses all in Ghana. His family has been in Ghana since 1800s till now and he's still considered as an Italian by the constitution buh he was born and raised in Ghana.

I have lived and worked in Ghana, Ghana doesn't have a high number of Europeans living there heck Ghana doesn't have a high number of European tourists, so when you say 3% of Ghana's population being white I have denied vehemently.

kikuyu1:
Dude,you have your opinion. I have mine usually with links and sources that doesn't agree with yours. I[b]'ve been doing this for a while and while I say I don't have all the answers I know what I know.[/b]
Convince me with evidence and I'll change my mind: until then let's agree to disagree.

that is exactly what I'm saying, you have conspiracies as your mantra and unfortunately you attach emotions to them also.
There is nowhere you stated with proof about origin of kikuyus. Kikuyus like all the other bantus by nature were farmers and being farmers they would settle on the most fertile parts of Africa which happens to be central and to some extent west of Africa. that's the bantu origin period science and historical evidence has pointed time and time again.

You started with saying there's a pact between kikuyu, tutsi. nyankole for the domination of east Africa then you changed tact again and called the tutsis black nazis, then again you said kikuyus used a route called njera ya bacii and now kikuyus originated from Some region in Ethiopia?? apparently kuyu kuyu is that what you called it? as someone who has serious interest in history and human genealogy I had to call you out on whitewashing of our history me being kikuyu myself. Europeans came and classified africans wrongly they gave afro asiatic languages and cultures superiority over the rest and I can't forget the Jewish aspect associated with those cultures and as per European religion it basically says Jewish people are God's chosen so I'm not surprised by people like you swallowing that kool aid and wanting to associate with that.heck you ain't the only one even some igbos have drank from the same koolaid cup as you.

the evidence is in my DNA which I did a test and posted the results here. and I'm 100%kikuyu.
this are not opinions but facts whitewashing of history doesn't change the fact that kikuyu are a bantu people and it's very easy to tell where bantus originate from like it's very easy to tell nilotes originated from Egypt and surrounding northern states. heck even tutsis would be 100%bantu by now if it wasn't for European interruptions. that was bantus biggest strength,a strong community,organised leadership and intermarriage.

I repeat again you do make valid points until you put on your tinfoil hat..

Austine1212:
A family tree can be traced even with name change.

Yall tend to think SA has lost culture

South Africans are open minded, cultures evolves with time

South Africans haven't Lost culture, south Africans have lost identity. I was shocked in the eastern cape you find black people with boer names including surnames.. meaning ding ding ding family identity gone.

Just30:
Here
names are not just names

Surnames can trace a family tree

that's exactly why we still maintain family names. But with south Africa's history you can understand where he is coming from because of the colonization process which is to rob one off their identity and south Africa suffered the most.

chrisagyei:
according to the laws,we don't refer to them as Ghanaians buh they have lived all their lives in Ghana and trace their roots as far back as 1400s in some occasions.

In Ghana, there's nothing like citizenship by birth and by naturalization is almost impossible so they are not considered Ghanaians buh they still live in Ghana. They are more than a million of them.

Take this white lady for example, she's lived all her life in Ghana,speaks various local languages buh she's still not considered a Ghanaian. Millions of them are in Ghana buh our constitution do not capture them as Ghanaians or white Ghanaians. No white person can ever be a Ghanaian unless at least one of his or her parent is a Ghanaian. And that makes you a mixed race and no foreigner can own land in Ghana unless you lease it for 50 years.So with Ghana having a population of 30 million people, just 20 million of them hold Ghanaian citizenship with the rest considered as foreigners buh most of these people have lived in Ghana all their lives.Ghana has over 700thousand registered permanent residency permits with the rest not having proper documentation


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xteET03S-s0

simple then, they are not white ghanaians. it's like saying every European who is in kenya can claim to be Kenyan. No. but there are some Europeans who can claim to be Kenyan and there number doesn't exceed 200,000 people. But if you claim anyone in kenya of European ancestry you will find over a million people then.

All the times I've been to Ghana I've never seen a significant number of Europeans compared to where I'm from (kenya) so I was really surprised when you said 3% of the population, what I did in fact see is a high number of Lebanese and Chinese.

rvp2018:
Kevo, the nearest to Kalenjin in sudan and Ethiopia are Daasanach or Merille - who are Cushitic in language but probably nilotic. Otherwise the only Kalenjin like tribe are in Tanzania - the Datooga/.Barbabaig - they are also nearly 70% cushitic - thanks to influence of southern cushistic (Iraqwis or wamburu).

That small region of Tanzania is very good because you get small region where oromo/somali cousins, kalenjin cousin, khoisans and maasai live together.

These are Datoogas

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYysFFLuyEw

The Iraqwis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2gSwm26Au4

there are kalenjin tribes in south Sudan see the boya people and tenet people infact the area which they live even has a kalenjin name

TayserMahri:
How is that good news for your country? You realize the Zambians are talking of Tanzanian border, not any other border.

����� you should understand who you are dealing with. politically speaking Tanzania is kenya in the 80's
the government controls the narrative. Tanzania has been a one party state from the get go withsham elections, the narrative has always been pro government.
The tanzanians you are dealing with here I would assume are educated and they still hold a pro government view despite the whole world seeing the blunder their president made in regards to Covid 19. See in Kenya the president can come on air and apologize if he made a mistake like what he did during the beginning of the curfew announcement apologized for the police heavy handedness in Tanzania the president is a demigod and absolutely the citizens have to obey and not question their president can never and I mean never appear publicly and apologize for his governance mistake never!

makes you wonder if you are dealing with educated Tanzanians on nairaland and they are very pro government despite the misgivings what about the village Tanzanian. they don't know anything past ccm

chrisagyei:
over here it talks about 3% of Ghana's population of 31 million being white Europeans buh trust me,they're way more than that.I know what am talking about. There are 20 million Ghanaian citizens out of tge 31 million total population of Ghana. The rest are hardly accounted for.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Ghana

I don't believe those numbers. Ghana has a lower European population compared to East Africa and Southern Africa 3% of the population would mean almost 1million white ghanaians and that is incorrect
Although I do agree with you about white people settling amongs the shores in Ghana

Austine1212:
If you want you can have an indian Surname, or arabic

Still not a problem,

it's a problem when your name carries family history and identification with you. Our family name is unique to our area and immediately I mention it people will know what area I'm from, this helps a lot especially during marriage as you can identify someone you are related to and avoid. You want to tell me a stranger can just come and name themselves our family name and it's okay?
when christianity was being introduced to Africans that's one of the methods they used to erase history changing of names and the prestige that comes with your family name. South Africa beared the heaviest brunt when it came to colonization in the African continent thus I'm not surprised by your casual approach to African names

[quote author=rvp2018 post=89527840]So Kalenjin are 'very' different from other Nilotes. They actually have no cousins in South Sudan like other Nilotes. There reason Kalenjin moved to Kenya a long time ago - together with Kushites. These are not present-day Kushites - but proto-eastern Kushites - long before they split.
When Kalenjin moved to Kenya - pastoralism has not started in Sudan (Egypt) - everyone lived along the river Nile - mostly farming and keeping a few domesticated animals. The proto-kushites include sirikwa who did elaborate irrigation schemes - and were noted farmers- and some remnant tribes like Iraqwis can be found in Tanzania. I am not sure about Tutsi and Himas - seem to have come later.Kalenjin found aboriginal and live together - and most aboriginal speaks Kalenjin including those in Somalia or kenya coast. Kalenjin the language itself has about 50-50 cognates with eastern cushitic languages. These Kushites would late move up north and east - split into promos and Somalia - and Somalis would later convert to Islams - from 10th century when Arabs arrived from the coast - and Somalis would start to imagine they came from Arabia or Yemeni.

The Kenya bantus - are indeed very mixed - because they are north most of Bantus around here- and intermixed with nilotes, Kushites and aboriginal.

So yes when Bantus moved here - they found Kalenjin, Kalenjin-speaking aboriginals and Kushites. The Maasai and their cousins would arrive later - and scatter everyone. The Luos arrived in Kenya in 15th century - and Maasai probably an 8-10th century.Bantus brought iron technology - and tubers crops from West Africa - like arrowroots, yams, sweet potatoes, cassavas - and adopted millet, sorghum - that were being cultivated by agropastoral Kalenjin and others. Everyone pretty much copied honey culture from Khoisan aboriginals.


you are absolutely correct. but there is a kalenjin tribe on the border between S.sudan and Sudan also kalenjin like tribes are present in Ethiopia. But it is factual that nilotes were present in Egypt before the arab expansion. Bantus had better structured societies overall better governance and farming techniques and cushites were traders, fishermen and warriors. all this groups including the khoisan like tribes were present in kenya and most people especially the people in fertile lands are what we call mongrels or mixed people.

see now why it's unfair when someone whitewashes history, first there's no such thing as kikuyu from Ethiopia or from Israel as Kikuyu puts it. this is the same as some Nigerians saying igbos are jews. whitewashing because you have been made to believe there are superior beings and you'd like to be associated with them.

rvp2018:
I agree with you. Kikuyus are bantus (at least half of them) while Maasai are nilotes - and their closest relatives are Lotuko who occupy Juba South Sudan. Lotuko and Maasai language is very close to be one language.Maasai nearest cousins are Turkanas, Iteso and Toposa and Eastern South Sudanase and they came to kenya together.

Kenya migration is pretty easy.

The aboriginal were here - never left. They are part of Khoisan and speak click language. Some bantus like Xhosa down south have adapted part of their language but generally, they were so weak, they got assimilated.

Most people apart from Khoisans - hunter & gatherers - lived along river beds - because of agriculture & few domesticated animals - pastoralism not really began.

The next wave of migration to kenya was by 2 groups - proto-Kalenjin and proto-southern Kushites (oromos+somalis). Kalenjin were northmost of other nilotes - and lived around current Khartoum - the Luos and related (dinka, nuer, etc) just below them - and Maasai and related below in Juba - while the Kushites lived not far up around the Kush. This was pre-Christianity times. They went through Ethiopia eventually to East Africa all way down to Tanzania. Kushites would later split into Oromos and Somalis.

The next wave of migration was Bantus. Coming from Cameroon/Nigeria border they quickly spread thanks to their newly discovered Iron technology (probably copied from Nigeria or Chad) as they forged tools to cultivate and hack through forests. This was a massive migration that happened very quickly - as Bantus conquered the territories previously occupied by Khoisans in Central, South and East Africa. There is very little genetic or language diversity between bantus...because of the rapid migration.

The next wave of migration in Kenya was nilotes - Maasai, Turkanas and later the Luos. The Maasai arrival was momentous. They basically took territory quickly from north of Kenya to south of Tanzania. Only getting stopped by Zulu breakaway Ngonis.

Because the Maasai were very populous (largest tribe in Kenya) and had fighting spirits never seen before - many attempted to befriend them - and so even kidnapped maasai kids.Maasai also took in nearly every tribe as wives or kidnapped kids. This was true for many communities - not only the Kikuyus.The Maasai came from the theatre of war somewhere in South Sudan together with their cousins - turkanas, Iteso, taposa and those in Ethiopia - and later Luos (Luos lived north - near current Sudan) - and all were possibly escaping forced Islamization and slave trades from Arab and Nubians....and mostly thanks to acquisition of new breed of hardy zebu cows from India.


The last people to migrate to kenya was colonizing Europeans and their lanky Asians...and of course Nubians.

Finally someone who writes factual history, point of correction there were a few nilotic and cushitic people in kenya and east Africa prior to the bantu expansion. they were easily conquered or assimilated by the bantus especially around the mountain regions. mt Kenya and kilimanjaro. Fyi kalenjin also come from the warrior nilotic tribe it's only that they adapted to the bantu way of life and became farmers like their neighbors. The maasai have a disgust towards agriculture and even called kalenjin and other warrior tribes who started farming derogatory names. the kikuyu people and to a larger extent Mt Kenya people have less bantu blood than other bantus in the country simply because of mixing with both nilotes and cushites and during colonialism they mixed with Indians fyi they brought syphilis to kikuyu land and also Europeans. typical kikuyu dna would show 40-50%percent bantu or 40-50%nilotic DNA. 10-20%Somali or cushitic DNA and 1-10% European/asian/arab DNA varying on region of course.

the poster Kikuyu usually has good points but unfortunately is a sucker for conspiracies and this erases some of his points.

Mbakuthegreat:
Im not from zoomalia.

if you are not from Somalia then buy that description of zoomalia you are defo habesha.
again you fall under this trap of people Europeans lied to and told that they have a higher IQ than the other Africans.
Either way one of the poorest regions in Africa is the horn, they can't seem to get it right be it cohesiveness or harmony non existent. so how is the high IQ working for you? kenya imports food from neighboring countries which if anything should be encouraged inter Africa trade and end of individualism is the thing that will lift Africa from poverty because what the Europeans did to Africa is irreversible I.e. they bunched up kingdoms and tribes together and formed nations which makes no sense

obaaderemi:
We have more Indians than Kenya but they have less influence in Nigeria than they have in Kenya. As at the time you looted and attacked them in 1982, Indians controlled 80% of all retail business in Kenya and owned about 25& of your economy. It's never so in Nigeria. Period. We've covered this before and you always come up short.

the reason for this is that in East Africa like south Africa there was arpatheid system of governance. whites were considered the cream, Indians and arabs were considered second class, indigenous Africans were considered third class. they were denied basic rights like education and freedom of movement unless one had a kipande(I.d) that showed where you were from and where you worked. once this countries attained independence and the Europeans left the Indians and arabs quickly filled their positions because majority of them were educated more than the indigenous population. In fact up to the mid nineties it was morally okay for politicians to talk about deporting the indians to the uk or india. Although most countries have overcome this you will still find indians and arabs influential in Most East African countries save for Uganda which did in fact chase them away.

Mbakuthegreat:
Again your low IQ restrict you from doing deeper evaluations. Explain why U.S is eager to bring homosexuality in Africa while africans are startving and which africans continue to say no to. Doesn't the arabs need it more when they are stoning gays? I have no problem engaging with anyone here as long as they write a through counterargument, but again that is something that i dont think many of you can since it requires evaluations which is limited for alot of africans. The low IQ prevents you from reading comprehension, which is that homosexuality is being used as a means to lower the african birthrate. Its already being used in black american communities and works effectively against black youth especially those who grow up without a normal family structures, which a lot of black americans lack with no fathers at home. Barack Obama, the so called the first black president passed more laws for homosexuality than for the african american community while they were being killed by police, this has till this day left a bitter taste for lots of african americans. Today black americans are the biggest homosexual group in America, with cities such as Atlanta, its so bad there that african-american women are crying because they cant find straight african american men like this women here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSztQF19no4

you are definitely from Somalia I can easily tell
you have this skewed view of the world since colonialism
the only reason you have this view is because when the Europeans arrived in Africa they defined people according to how much they have interacted with other people in the world. the Africans who were not in contact with other groups of people from the rest of the world received the worst classification bottom of the barrel.
Africans from the horn or those who were considered hostile I.e maasai, turkana were for the most part not assimilated and left alone for the most part. thus this view of low IQ Africans stems from there where horn of Africa people were lifted to be Arab and considered higher IQ than other Africans but as history has proved us correct that was all hogwash as even currently in countries where they are present kenya,Uganda, Tanzania they are good businessman but no where near the cleverest set of people.

kikuyu1:
Ednited, have you heard of Kuyu Woreda in the North? I ask cause my info has it it was the dispersal point for some migrants from Axum called Kuyu Kuyu people 900 years ago who ended up here around Mt Kenya.

Absolute rubbish, kikuyus are and have always been a bantu tribe. they have inter married heavily with plain nilotes especially the maasai. when the bantus arrived in this areas there were small cushitic and nilotic tribes in this areas which they quickly overpowered because of sheer numbers. kariuki is an example of this kikuyu by birth but dorobo by ancestry. the only possible connection to this cushitic area with the kikuyus is through assimilation of the cushitic tribes that were in existence around the kenya highlands. that is why unlike other bantu tribes there's no definitive way of describing mount Kenya people. you will find a very dark skin person and you will also find a very light skin person a very tall person and a very short person because of the mixed ancestry. kikuyus are not from Ethiopia no way no how stop this whitewashing of our history

rvp20183:
I think also homogeneity matters - if a country is 90% bantu like TZ & Zambia & Most of SADC- that is different from Kenya or Nigeria.

Zambia for the most part escaped tribal issues because it is divided into four regions. All tribes in the country identify with this regions. Up to the current Times they didn't suffer tribal warfare but regionalism where major tribes make allies within their regions. I'm just surprised their neighbour here doesn't know about this going as far as claiming Zambia as more democratic hehehe I tire.

Kazikazi:
You're mistaken.China was a communist state,Russia too.Poland also so as Vietnam.Are they as poor like the capitalist Kenya? Actually the Chinese who were more communists than Tanzania are more developed than your capitalist Kenya. Recently they gave you food aid.

Blaming Tanzania's socialism in this 2018 is foolish. There are many African nations who are extremely poor than Tz but were not in socialism. Kenya with its starvation issues never had socialism. Those Kenyans who starved to death weren't in a socialism. Why are Kenyans quick to blame Tz on socialism while they buried souls due to lack of a meal?

Tanzania's economy grows faster than Kenya.Will you still blame socialism?

Kenya buried their souls for lack of food due to bad governance. Kenya is poor due to bad governance.Tanzania doesn't utilize fully its resources due to bad governance. Many African countries are where they are due to bad governance. Corruption is a part of bad governance.

Please don't say things you don't know. Ask first. China didn't give Kenya food aid. China gave food aid to WFP. Who's headquartered in Kenya under the U.N Africa headquarters in Kenya. The food was intended for refugees living in Kenya from Somalia, S.Sudan and North Uganda even as far as DRC.

Again with the diversionary tactics why isn't Tanzania then developed as the other communist countries. Why isn't Tanzania developed as south Africa hell why is Kenya more developed than Tanzania then despite our corruption and tribalism and mismanagement with little resources..
Tanzania is growing at 7% for GDP of 56$bn to serve a population of nearly 60million people.
Kenya is growing at 6% for a GDP of 88$bn to serve a population of nearly 48million people.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out which one is more developed and better clear as day and night.

Kazikazi:
This topic have been discussed here many times.
Its not just Tanzania but most of our nations shouldn't be where they are currently. We should be in the levels of Malaysia, Singapore or South Sudan.Kenya,Tz,Naija or Ghana were ahead of those nations economically in the 60's.But what happened today? Kenya just received food aid from South Korea!

Its not all about natural resources. Those three nations I mentioned don't have a huge natural resources (Malaysia,south Korea,Singapore). But,they are ahead.

Kenyans shouldn't jump and point fingers at Tz while they have a log in their eyes.Development can be achieved weather you have natural resources or not.Yes Tz don't do well in managing the natural resources. Most of minerals in Tz are still untapped. Over 90% of TZ minerals are still underground. A real question should be.."why Tz doesn't extracts the huge mineral deposits it has"??

And we shouldn't avoid asking, why doesn't kenya use freshwater resources it have for irrigation in Turkana? Why is Kenya poor? Why does Kenya imports fishes from China while it can have them at home? Why does Kenya imports electricity from Uganda while it can generate it at home?

That is called diversionary tactics. You've been asked why is Tanzania not developed. In Kenya we have issues of tribalism, corruption and unfavourable weather. Tanzania doesn't how comes their economy is a measly 56$bn to serve a population of nearly 60million people. Every time you are asked this question your answer is in Kenya there's hunger despite you being shown Tanzania is more malnourished.
Now answer this question correct and clear how comes Tanzania a country where peace has reigned since independence, doesn't have corruption issues, has vast agricultural land doesn't have tribal strife has such a small GDP the size of Kenya's capital, is lower than Kenya in GDP, GNI, HFI, HDI and PPP. You cannot escape by assigning blame to other African countries. Answer it clear and correct for once

Kazikazi:
Your idea that democracy tends to accelerate tribal or racial device is unfounded. There are many democratic nations who are not tribalists. For instance,our Tanzania's good neighbors from Zambia don't have issues of tribalism as Kenya although Zambia is more democratic. Mauritius too are a similar case.Canada too.
The only thing democracy does is to bring into the open those stuffs which were carpeted.In this sense your tribalism will come out once democracy is allowed.So,in our Tz case it will be impossible for democracy to ignite tribalism since it doesn't exist.

Our Tz model have been tested.In each elections we held,most opposition parties complain about our union structures and poverty,not tribalism! It means these are real issues to resolve,not tribalism.

As usual you are wrong zambia more democratic than Kenya. Zambia not tribal. It's amazing how little tanzanians know about their own country and they think they know their neighbours. Smh. Zambian opposition leader was Locked up just last year. Zambia has joined your ccm tactics of intimidation to anyone who has a contradictive opinion. Kenya is very free check the human freedom index boy.