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Tosyn007: Have we ever discussed who a better shinobi is between Itachi and Minato?

No please no....anything but that. These two characters have the worst following ever. Please dnt let us do this.

Edit: too late

mrlaw93: tell dem to watch A dangerous man by Steven seagal d man is gud nah

abeg leave dem.they dnt know who seagal is.

moshoodn: Reminds me of this series titled "SUPERNATURAL"


Sam and Dean are always on the road hunting ghost bounties. . .

Yet they always manage to check in hotels snd still get extra money to buy cupcakes, Donuts, Eclairs, Froyos, Gingerbreads, Honeycombs, Jellybeans, and even Keylime pie!

And yet we were never told they inherited a real estate or something.

+1
or when in a movie with the cliched chosen one theme... The protagonist gains enormous strength and power to defeat an enemy who has trained and attained power, skill and experience for years and even goes on a killing spree, making masters of the art beg for mercy. I mean seriously, it's like the directors are jux telling us that destiny precedes all and that skill and experiences counts for nothing. Whoever u think u are, super master or not, the chosen one will whoop ya ass with just a month's training, bs.
Oh and also the a.s.s pull powers the good guy always seem to get from God knows where, not properly explained.
A horrible culprit is the movie, ninja assasin. Hated that movie to the core.

infolekan: Because Jack happens to be one of the commonest name in America.
Hollywood films are always realistic unless you're talking about Sci Fi because they take time to predict the human response to events.
You don't see people smiling when they should be crying or just crying unnecessarily like in Nigeria movies.

You're exaggeratting too much. Not all American movies are realistic...even the ''realistic'' ones? go and watch delta force 4:deep fault, and tell me it is reaslistic (it aims to be, tho and fails big tym.)
U seem to be watching the wrong nigerian movies buh yh, most are like dat. Very bad rly.

benalvino: ^^^SMH

He just gave you a lecture on business and you're shaking your head? you're a sore loser seriously. stop shaking, cos you have no head atall.

benalvino: You just confirm you are a full. Wii was released to compete with ps3 n Xbox 360 in 2006... You are using there latest tech that they release last year to compete with ps3 n Xbox 360... You no get sense... If the hardware is a little bit higher than Xbox 360 or ps3 the technology is different hence it works differently... You be cow finally. I am done arguing with ignorant people.

YOU ARE THE BIGGEST FOOL I HAVE EVER SEEN. IN TERMS OF MARKET YES, IN TERMS OF HARDWARE. NEVER. DID YOU EVEN KNOW FOR A FACT THAT THE WII HARDWARE IS THE SAME AS THE GAMECUBE WITH A SLIGHTLY OVERCLOCKED CPU? GUESS NOT. IGNORANT FOOL.

NINTENDO SINCE THE WII HASN'T COMPETED WITH THE CONSOLES FROM BOTH MS AND SONY. GO AND READ THE HARDWARE SPEC OF THE WII U, U IGNORAMUS. YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT. WITH IT SPECS IT CAN ONLY HOPE TO PERFORM SLIGHTLY BETTER THAN THE XBOX 360.

WAY TO AVOID MY OTHER POSTS THO.

PS: Don't even bother to reply. you don't know jack sh.i.t.

SO MUCH STUPIDITY AND IGNORANCE IN YOUR REPLY. I NEVER THOUGHT I WOULD SEE AN XBOX FAN BEING THIS IGNORANT ABOUT SO MANY THINGS. BUT LET ME SET YOUR STUPID SELF STRAIGHT.

benalvino: are you on weed? did i mention the wii u? the wii u should be competing with ps 4 and xbox one... it was release late last year not 8 to 10 years ago like xbox 360 and ps 3... really the way you think is very low.

you don't know anything...this much is confirmed. interm of market, yes, but we are talking about hardware, and the wii u can't even begin to think to compete with the xbone and ps4. multiplatforms that appeared on both the wi u and the 360 have the 360 looking better (eg batman: AC). but ofcos, how would you know when you have you head up your ass.

benalvino: you are making your self look stupid. let me give you an example...
intel pentium 4 can run on 4.2ghz and intel core duo can run on 2.4ghz and intel i7 quadcore can run on 1ghz... guess which will have better processing and handles multitasking better?
i7... why? it was designed to handle task and it handles it without doing much work while the pentium 4 with 4ghz is high in speed but it doesnt handle multitasking well compared to even the core duo... why? it is because of the way they are designed... i7 runs multiple threads at once while pentium 4 runs only one easy as that...

using your example...in a program that is designed to make use of only a single core, the pentium 4 might thrive. if the i7 was maybe 2.4ghz then it would beat the pentium 4. the core 2 duo however would depend on which type it was. first generation, i dnt think so...the rest, sure. But even then, is this to dispute the cell? it is simply much more powerful than the cpu in the xbox 360. the cpu in the 360 is hardly doing anything difficult compared to what the cell does for the ps3. Don't be this ignorant. Your example bears no relevance. try again.

benalvino: again you dont know what optimization is... if you have a galaxy phone that is more powerful than the iphone but the iphone is faster more efficient handles processing better... it means the power of the galaxy is waste. simple. if you have power and your power cant be used completely then whats the point of saying you more powerful?

you claim i don't know what optimisation is yet repeat what i said. are you by any chance a retard sir? if the galaxy had an os that finally optimised it's hardware, wouldn't it far outperform the iphone 3gs?

benalvino: dude powerful is doing what your opponent cant do... setting the bars... you brag ps3 is more powerful yet it cant do simple things the less powerful xbox can do... you are just empty in the head... it is easy to fool you. will you buy the ps3 because of what sony told you that it is more powerful or will you buy it because it does what others cant do... i am really ashamed on how you think.

setting the bars? what bars are you talking about.
Bolded: And vice versa.(REFER TO MY NOTES ON THAT DOWN BELOW)

I buy the ps3 to play games. just like the 360. i don't care about power. every developer has said the ps3 is technically a little powerful than the 360, yet difficult to develop for. but with a little bit of more effort, it'll show (exclusives) i think it's safe to assume that i'll gladly listen to them than you who don't even know that real time rendering existed and assumed rendering on the console was as easy as you did on your pc at home.

benalvino: multitasking is doing 2 things at the same time. stop lying the ps3 doesnt multitask... you dont know what multitasking is.

Instead of parading your ignorance about like a fool, why don't you google it. brain dead. like I said the c3 can do play music and browse at the same time. That isn't true multitasking. Beside the ps3 can multitask.

benalvino: MS plan what? sony have one year to build the ps3 and they cant plan voice chat? are you crazy? My God... what stupid xcuse... if sony did not plan it is it my fault? then why argue that the ps3 is more powerful when you can easily say to your self that microsoft did not plan it to be more powerful than ps3... you are just making your self look stupid...

are you this foolish, 1 year to build? do you even know what you're talking about. nobody and i mean nobody can change anything drastically in their console 1 year before launch. party chat was restricted by ram(which was restricted mostly by structure and os footprint). In one year you expect them to what, change the ram structure to unified? Do you know how much that cost? They could have added more, but xdr is extremely expensive. Unless you wanted it to cost a 1000 dollars that wasn't an option. Party chat hardly makes the 360 more powerful you idiot. like I said the ps vita can do it too. doesn't make it more powerful.

benalvino: Thank you when it comes to software sony is not on save wavelength... microsoft knows how softwares works with hardware more than sony... that is why they design good hardware that wont have problem while sony on the other hand dont know what they are doing.... same case for the ps4 and xbox one... xbox one has more features and runs 3 operating system at once while sony runs just one but uses almost 50% of its 8gig ram. again they dont understand how hardware and software works compared to microsoft. the browser is not the problem but it is the way the PS3 i mean the hardware not just the OS handles threading and rendering.

Same case for ps4 and xbox one? So you have played both and have seen their perfomance? wow dear time traveller, please do tell us more of your wonderful journeys through space and time. okay,tell you what, take a pic and pose with it. Bloody idiot. this comment is'nt relevant to the discussion until they are both out and we can tell their perfomance.

Also, are you saying that THE CONSOLE THAT CAN RENDER UNCHARTED, KILLZONE AND GT5 in real time IS INCAPABLE OF RENDERING A WEBSITE? REALLY? AM I EVEN ARGUING WITH A KNOWLEDGEABLE PERSON? PLEASE STOP. JUST STOP.

benalvino: About performance and GPU i wont xplain my self again.

I wouldn't even have responded to it cos you seem lost really. you don't know what you doing.

benalvino: I have a ps3 in my house as i am talking to you... if you want tell me how to pose with it. i will snap it and show you... if you want me to keep one leg on it and snap just to make sure it is me i will do it... and i live in scotland Uk. am not talking because am a fan... i am a gamer so i talk.

The most illogical and useless post i have ever read. what has you being in uk got to do with you not being a fanboy, are these factors somehow related? Are all uk scotland gamers free from fanboyism now. let's say they were (lol) then you sir have been knighted the first ever fanboy to live in scotland uk. fool.

benalvino: when i want even more powerful machine i will build my own pc. can you install windows on nokia 3310? nope because it wasn't design to accept that... hardware built bad will limit the kind of software you write to it...

I know this is irrelevant but did you know that the first batch of ps3s could run the linux os. Just a thought. but this post is as irrelevant as my "linux on ps3" post.

benalvino: when you are downloading your processor process the data that is being downloaded

nobody is disputing that, what you seem not to understand is that the hardware is 100000% capable of this feat, so please don't bullshit me with that nonsense...

benalvino: my internet speed is 15mega bites per second and not 400 kilo bites per second mtn gives...

Anoda unecessary post that only purports to show off what you got. So childish. The playstation is bad at multitasking and threading simple. and a bad hardware can make it impossible to code for.[/quote]bad hardware? really the ps3 is anything but bad hardware. if you had said not flexible enough, i would have agreed. learn to choose your words. Bad at threading, compared to what? A core 2 duo later generation? sure, compared to the xbox 360 cpu? Please spare me this tripe.

benalvino: that is why i keep telling you overall the xbox outperforms the ps3...
DVD vs bluray ps3 wins
browsing xbox wins... etc. now make the comparison your self and tell me overall who wins... features and other things. stop making blind argument... bolt analogy is telling you that when competing the ps3 is only coming out when sony writes games for it which is in the end bad because the xbox shines no matter who is doing the writing.

We are still talking about games aren't we? I hardly play online games so the other features don't bother me. The music part i would have loved very much. However horrible browsing is really not a deal breaker. You have your tablet for that for christ sakes it a GAME console. If some multiplatforms have looked and performed better on the ps3, then you point is rendered null and void. If some multiplatforms and exclusive perform better on ps3, what does that tell you. Don't overlook what's infront of you. it is capable. a wii can never outperform the 360. this is a fact because the hardware is simply incapable. however, the ps3 has sometimes out performed the 360. Doesn't that mean nothing to you? Why do you keep throwing this fact out the window.

ps3 cant multitask. lol you are talking about ps4...[/quote]if you used your ps3 more often, maybe you wouldn't be spewing this gabage.

it can so far as you're not playing online.

here is a vid to show part of the multitasking.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt4Po2Vze_8

And a link too. this one even has it being playable after 50%. that's amazing. Don't you think.

http://blog.games.com/2013/05/23/the-last-of-us-played-while-download/

benalvino: now watch xbox one. and tired of typing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dp8ezNpL0-Q

What does this nonsense of a post hope to achieve, my ignorant friend? are you assuming I do not know of the xbone? You really have a disgusting behaviour.




I REALLY DIDN'T WANT TO DEGRADE MYSELF TO YOUR LEVEL OF INSULTING NATURE BUT I GUESS THAT'S THE LANGUAGE YOU UNDERSTAND. YOU KNOW NOTHING AND SPEW SO MUCH GARBAGE. I THINK MAYBE WE SHOULD END THIS HERE BECAUSE AS OF NOW, I HAVE LEARNT NOTHING FROM YOU, WHICH IS COUNTER PRODUCTIVE OF THE PURPOSE OF THIS THREAD. GOOD DAY SIR

i don't get those who are complaining. Even fiction deserve some reality within the context it finds itself. Harry potter is fictions no doubt, but do u think that if things were done without proper explanations, it'll be that enjoyable. If in commando...anold had moved in with say 5 other trained colleagues and had used stealth to achieve his goal....it would've been strange yet understandable because in it context, it is realistic. But to go solo and engaged head on with soldiers, SOLDIERS OOOO, not area boy thugs ooo, soldiers...and each and everyone missed him yet he gt them, is insane. I mean what have these so called soldiers been doing with their time. How can the call themselves soldiers if the can't even hit a single target from all angles.
I agree with op fully. Oh and op.. can u go bankai?

dmcdad: Ehn!!! Don't ever dare mention that guy's name. He is so fake that he is mire fake than fake itself. Gosh! That guy can annoy my life to the last... Nonsense! As much as I love Hollywood movies, I'd rather watch a Nollywood movie than Seagal's movie...

I agree that sometimes he's exaggerated, but in real life if u gave him 10 people to fight, none will touch him. And all will go home with broken bones. Besides...he's a 7th dan aikido master....at such a level, he is more than capable. Trust me.

ibkaye: Do you know how scary Aku was??

AKU WAS THE FUNNIEST VILLAIN I HAD EVER SEEN. THE DUDE WAS EVIL AND FUNNY.

benalvino: sometimes i wonder if you think you know too much...
like i said in the post you replied... the ps3 is greater in paper i.e specs...
it is harder to code for its one of the weakness that will hinder its power... you get my point?
dev will spend that amount of time... as a matter of fact ps3 is not running xbox code. if it takes alot of time to get it working it means they take that amount of time to get it working... so dev are spending that amount of time if not the code wont work... am studying programming and i know what am talking about...
for example:
public status void main (string[]args){
private string ps3;
}
will take longer time to code than
public status void main string args
private string ps3

the codes below is same as the one ontop of it... but it doesnt have {} [] () and ;... missing only one will make it not work.

the ps3 is only hard to optimize which means to use its hardware meaning no matter how powerful it is if the hardware cant be used it is useless...

okay let's take into consideration the wii u. the wii u is obviously more powerful than the 360. oh but wait.... multiplatform work better on the 360 now than the wii u. maybe the wii u is only powerful on paper. if you're as smart as you claim, you should know the answer to that.

benalvino: another example is with how powerful it is the Xbox multitask and do processing better... why is that? because it has power but not built to fully used its power simple.

Processing better, really? do you even know what you're taking about. when it comes to processing power, the ps3 outweighs the 360. Sony stupidly wanted to slowly feed the devs the cells power from time to time with the wonder of discovery. They didn't take other extraneous variables into the equation.

benalvino: read my post again... your iphone and galaxy comparison still saying what am saying...

you said something is more powerful if it is easy to develop for. I used the iphone eg to show you that it isn't so. They aren't the same thing.

benalvino: sorry in real performance the 360 out performs the ps3... you just acting like you know too much. let me show you how.

ps games so do xbox
ps browse, xbox browse better...
ps no voice chat, xbox does it with breeze
ps no multitasking, xbox not a problem
ps slower, xbox faster.

that is what performance is... till the ps3 can do what the xbox can. it means xbox out performs it. simple.
besides no one can tell if the difference in graphics is so clear that one will have to say this looks better... I dont see the point talking about graphics. But are almost alike in that aspect. but that is not what performance is bro... performance goes beyond graphics.

Bolded part: Doesn't make it more powerful. that is my point. In terms of games they can be done. exclusives which have had more dev time prove this. Multiplatforms devs simply don't have the time.

Are we even talking about gaming anymore? in games the ps3 is equal to the 360. ps3 slower than xbox, in terms of what? don't say vague stuff, explain yourself. multitasking? if we take what you said into consideration, then the ps3 can multitask. The 360 just has more features. Voice chat is good and all but ms planned it along time. Sony didn't. Even the ps vita can do voice chat. Does that mean it more powerful than the ps3. Browsing is due to sony's horrible browser. sorry not it server like i said. Sorry about that. Me and you both know when it comes to software, sony isn't even in the same wavelength.
when it comes to the cpu, the ps3 has the edge, when it comes to the gpu the xbox 360 has the edge. so why do you think the performance is slightly better on the 360 most of the time? because the gpu plus the unified shader architecture is what's more important in terms of gaming. performance isn't all about graphic but graphics affect it the most. performance would be nerfed if you try to push too much graphical asserts on screen. hope that's clear.

benalvino: when you say better surfing and download have nothing to do with the hardware i wanted to stop discussing because you dont know what processing and rendering web page is... you dont know how multithreading works... let me leave you to stay with your confusion on this.

The irony. You are underestimating the power of the ps3 seriously. it disgusting. you only focused on one side, the hardware, which is perfectly capable (even the iphone can do that)you stated nothing of the software. plus when i said it had nothing to do with the hardware, i was speaking in a given context. i meant the hardware wasn't to blame.maybe you should stop discussing since you're trying so hard to be dumb. which i know you ain't. but i think i'm to blame too. my answer however was wrong.

benalvino: sony doesnt use server to surf the web... sorry about that... you really dont know what you are talking about... downloading update has to do with the way the processor handles multitasking aka threads.

yeah that first part is wrong. the second part, like i already said, is just one part of it,the ps3 processor is capable. updates however can be as a result of server issues. if you don't know that, then i'm sorry for you. hardwares are not the be all end all, softwares also count. a bad software can render a hardware useless (refer to ps3 os vs xbox 360 os)

benalvino: bolt analogy is good except you cant comprehend... let me help you again.
bolt says i am the fastest runner... yet he doesnt win a race except he wears nike sneakers made by his home company.... i.e sony said they have the most powerful system but they dont win multiplatform games in graphics and how it runs, except sony made the game their self. you get the point?

oh io get it, it's still a bad analogy. really. If the sony devs can actually do it, does that not mean it's capable of it? If usain bolt is faster with his hometown boots then he's faster. because that is his true form, his optimum level.

benalvino: whether you say true multitasking or fake... ps3 cant do both... xbox plays games and music same time... how is that not true multitasking?

the nokia c3 can do that. playing music and gaming at the same time is not true multiasking. besides the ps3 can play and download a demo at the same time (xbox can't do that). also it can play music and do other do other things, except play games. so yeah, it can multitask.

benalvino: sorry dude... sony GPU is not more powerful. go and check it again.

I..... NEVER..... SAID..... THAT.

benalvino: sony took their time doing the ps3 custom processor... doing what they dont know and brag it is powerful whereas it is very limited compared to xbox processor...

Now i know you dnt know what you;re talking about. teh cell limited compared to x360 processor? MY GOD! DUDE SHOULD WE STOP?

benalvino: it pales... you say some games not all... why it pales is because ps3 is said to be more powerful... but overall the xbox outperforms it... simple as that.

if i say some games, wouldn't that mean same for xbox 360? not all games run well on both console, albeit i'll agree more on the 360 than the ps3. pale is what a gtx 680, scratch that, gtx 8800, is compared to the 360 gpu. that is what pales is. you don't know what you're saying. admit it.

benalvino: your pros and cons side doesnt need my responds..

could it be because you have no comeback. was my argument that great. maybe i do know something afterall.

IT A SHAME THAT YOU KEEP SAYING I THINK I KNOW SO MUCH, WHEN YOU ARE THE ONE WHO HAD TO ANNOUNCE THAT YOU ARE LEARNING PROGRAMMING AND THE SORT. WRITING CODES THAT ARE IRRELEVANT TO YOUR POINT. I HAVE MADE SOME MISTAKES AND I'VE ACKNOWLEDGED THEM AND CORRECTED MYSELF. JUST LIKE YOU WAAY BACK IN THIS THREAD. SO IF YOU WANNA MAKE YOUR POINT INSTEAD OF ACCUSING PEOPLE OF THINGS, YOU SHOULD LEARN TO COME UP WITH BETTER AND CONVINCING ARGUMENTS. AND PLEASE LEARN TO CHILL. THEY ARE GAME CONSOLES, NOT YOUR GIRLFRIENDS.
PS: I DON'T THINK TOO MUCH. I DON'T HAVE TIME FOR THAT.

Talibanis: U can't compare playing ur games on PC with that on ur PS3 Console!!! Not comparable bro. I enjoy every bit of my gaming experience with my widescreen HDTV connected to a good home theater sound system . Simply the best

you can connect your pc to your hd tv, you know that right. plus also you can connect any gamepad to it. a gud gpu would leave the ps3 in the dust. hell even a gtx 8800, would murder the ps3 graphics and that card came out in 2007.

benalvino: GTA graphics looks like Shit... its not about CPU dude... its about GPU mainly for processing the visual... CPU handles threads. GTA is not more about CPU... no Game will depend more on CPU when it comes to 3d gaming... again codes doesnt determine how the game looks... Modelling the graphics have to do with details the more the details the harder for the GPU to process the details... EA and other games studios are professionals they can make great games for the ps3... but the thing is that the ps3 is bad at processing stuffs... they added GPU capability to the CPU... while the XBox just went with a more powerful standalone GPU with better anti aliasing.

I can bet my Surface pro with you that any of the best game you have on PS3 can look equally as good if not better... The xbox is known for producing better anti aliasing and better color production...

as far as i can tell you have no excuse...

In a way you're right. he thinks bad optimisation on rockstars part on the pc equals cpu intensive game. But there are cpu intensive games, that rely more on cpu than gpu, no doubt. those games focus less on graphics. So you're right on that. Cpu can render graphics, albeit super slow compared to gpu (refer to software rendering vs gpu rendering). Did you, however know that the ps3 was initially shipping with two cells , one for graphics and the other for cpu. But sony changed their minds due to the overall Heavy cost. Don't underrate the cell, dude.

It is true that Graphics is not programmed, however, you can program where it is to be rendered. cpu (software rendering,) gpu or cpu + gpu.

stanlee303: All I want to say. Is dat all those that are saying ps3 is beta and you don't have it God is on this forum oh I have the both and to me THE. XBOX all the WAY!!! I have abandoned the ps3. I even want to sell it for 30k if your interested bb: 299798E5 cheapest price you'll get tho XBOX 360 All the way ps3 fans no dey argue abeg

I LIKE HOW YOU HAVE DONE NOTHING TO CONTRIBUTE TO THIS THREAD BUT RATHER, USED IT AS A PLATFORM TO MAKE YOUR SALE. PATHETIC.

I swear I remember replying to this post. oh well I guess I get to do it all over again.

benalvino: That is what i am telling you... you have power and you cant use the power means you are not that powerful... again i said the ps3 is greater than xbox 360 on paper... but the ps3 cant utilize its power which means at the end the xbox 360 yield more result... I dont know how you understand stuffs...

It is more powerful in raw power, that's a fact, and that the issue here. In which world is easy to code for = more powerful. okay here are the facts:

1. The total hardware is more powerful

2. It is harder to code for; takes about three times the amount of time, compared to it's competition

3. No dev would spend that amount of time to do that.

The iphone 3gs was as snappy if not a little snappier than the galaxy s1, not because it was as powerful or even more. It means the os was optimised to properly use the hardware. Such is the case of the ps3.

nb: 1% more powerful is still more powerful. In real perfomance, both consoles are matched. Exclusives from both consoles show this.

benalvino: The xbox 360 shows its power on multitasking... its faster and do stuffs the ps3 cant do... cross game chatting... music in background while playing game... better web surfing ability... I mean have you tried browsing the web with ps3? faster downloading of content and updating... runs games smoother... no one should care if it is hard to code for ps3... everything have weakness. if you produce a Lamborghini that will use only one of its 12 cylinders then the Lamborghini wont win a race... in fact it will be useless... same with the ps3.

Better web surfing and downloading speed has nothing to do with the hardware. Sony's servers and softwares (os) are to blame for that.
Bolded point: You're joking right.

benalvino: Its like saying Husein bolt is the fastest man on earth but he doesn't win race except he wares a Nike sneakers made in is house.

Very bad analogy, doesn't even make sense. u're quite horrible at using analogies. try something different

benalvino: If only ps3 developers can use the hardware then it is not the fault of anyone and you have to give glory to the competition where it outshines the ps3.

They could, and they did. the competition, ms, has done very well, i give them dat.

benalvino: remember it is powerful on paper... but it doesn't do simple things like multitasking...

The 360 doesn't do true multitasking either. it just does a few more feature than the ps3 due to the ps3's inadequate achitecture (split memory) plus larger os footprint.

benalvino: if the ram is low... one can argue that the CPU on the xbox is low as well and the xbox doesnt have bluray... ram isn't low as a matter of fact,it's split. they are both 512mb (256mb for both gpu and cpu, as opposed to the single pool which allows the developer the chance to choose the appropriate memory allocation)
in Gaming, the gpu and ram are much more important than the cpu, unless the game is heavily cpu based like battlefied. so the 360 had a little edge there.

[quote author=benalvino]So the ram is low is useless excuse because no one forced them to put low ram...it was high numbers on paper that makes people say ps3 is more powerful only for you to come and complain that it has low ram.

The unified memory achitecture was new from amd, and ms bought the license to it then, sony didn't have a choice, but to use the most powerful gpu out at that time from nvidia which used an older architecture. they tried jor, give them credit. Plus even if they cud, they wouldn't be able to do so cos that would mean changing the whole setup and that cud take longer. They had spent too much money on it and nobody in their right mind would take that risk.

benalvino: Everyone expect sony to make the more powerful console... and for them to release less powerful will be a shame because the xbox came out 1 year before the ps3 and yet sony just put high numbers on paper as spec but performance pales compared to the xbox.

Pales? really, there are some games that actually run better on the ps3. Do you even know what pales means?

benalvino: And sorry not gears of war but crysis 3... and again you dont program the game graphics... you only process it... i could argue that the xbox will match anything ps3 or surpass it if it has bluray... no developer want to spend money making 2 disc games...

I'll deal with the graphics issue on your other post. now i'll deal with the blue ray issue once and for all.

Now tell me something...why would you want something that bottlenecked the other console. on the ps3 the blu ray read and write speed was soo bad that it was required to have mandatory installs inorder to play in some games(mgs4 required and install after every chapter). so now tell me how that would've made the 360 more powerful. let me list the pros and cons that the blu ray would have brought over to the 360.

PROS

1. LOW COST TO DEVS WHO REQUIRE MORE THAN A SINGLE DISK FOR THEIR GAMES

2. LOSSLESS VIDEOS AND AUDIOS WOULD BE AVAILBLE FOR THE 360 (ONLY GUD FOR THOSE WHO CARE)

3. NO DISK SWAPPING FOR GAMERS; DISK SWAPPING WAS AN ISSUE FOR THOSE WITH THE BASIC UNITS WHICH HAD LESS TO NO HDD SPACE. FOR THOSE WHO HAD ENOUGH DISK SPACE, AN OPTION TO INSTALL THE GAME ON THE HDD WAS AVAILBLE WHICH RETIFIED THIS.

4. WOULD HAVE MADE THE 360 A CHEAP BLURAY PLAYER, JUST LIKE THE PS3 (STANDALONE BLU RAY PLAYERS COST AND ARM AND LEG BACK THEN, MOST STILL DO. (BUT IT WOULDN'T HAVE BENEFITED THE MAJORITY SEEING AS BLU RAY IS STILL STRUGGLING WITH DVDS, FOR MEDIA OPTIC DRIVE RACE, ONLY SONY AND THE BLU RAY ASSOCIATION WOULD HAVE BENEFITED)

CONS

1. MANDATORY INSTALLS FOR SOME GAMES.

2. WOULD HAVE MADE THE 360 VERY EXPENSIVE AND WOULD HAVE KILLED THE 360'S CHANCE OF COMPETING WITH THE PS3 IN THE MARKET PLACE. NOTE THAT THE 360 COMPETED AT PRICE POINT, COS NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE COULD AFFORD THE PS3, SO THEY WENT WITH THE CHEAPER CONSOLE. HAD THEY BOTH BEEN THE SAME PRICE THE PS3 WOULD HAVE OUTSOLD THE 360, NO DOUBT. I THINK YOU KNOW THIS.

Considering the pros and cons, anyone with a brain can tell you that the cons outweigh the pros. And there is nothing to do with graphics here, so please dnt bring that up unless you can support it. Something you have failed to do all along.

*THOUGHT BUBBLE* WHY I'M I DEFENDING THE PS3, IT DESERVES ALL THE RIDICULE THAT IT GETS. I REMEMBER BACK IN 2006 WHEN THE IGNORANT PS3 FANBOYS RAVED THAT TEH CELL WAS SOO POWERFUL, IT WAS LIKELY IT WOULD BE MORE POWERFUL THAN MICROSOFT'S NEXT CONSOLE (XBOX ONE) CAN U IMAGINE. EVEN SO IT DOESN'T MEAN I SHUD DESCEND TO THEIR LEVEL.

trendytrendz: First of all about programming game graphics, where you xbox fans fail is that not all graphics rendering are gpu based, it depends on the skill of the programmer, highly skilled programmers have the ability to offload the processing work of the gpu to the cpu, the cpu at that point helps it buffer or process such graphics ahead in its dedicated ram pool! Some games are more cpu than gpu centric, if you play pc gaming you would realise this as some pcs with mid specd gpu's play some very high end games very well cuz they have a high end cpu and the game in question is more cpu centric! An example of this type of game is GTA4!! Its has more to do with cpu processing than GPU, so in this case, if the devs aren't good programmers or coders, the whole look of gta would come out bad, and also gpu only renders but coding is the underlying work,debugging a game is recoding wrong codes and this makes what the gpu render look better. And for xbox fans sayn gears of war is much more graphically intense than any ps3 game is in serious denial, you are just lying to yourself! Ps3 made a name for itself because its 1st party ip are so much better than xbox and not just better but graphically more advanced than whatever is on xbox 360. Gears of war has nothing on uncharted 3 or last of us when it comes to graphics, we haven't even talked about god of war, anybody who played the opening of the god of war game on ps3 where kratos battles those titans will have his jaw dropping and the issue of linearity or open world gameplay does affect graphics but to say because games like uncharted are looking that good is because of that is serious blindness, last of us is 27gb of data..is it milk or juice that takes up 27gb of data!!!?? Its all about graphics and the in game renditions of objects..so many high res objects takes up those space and. So xbox fans can go sleep in a bunker, ps3 ip wipes the floor with xbox 360's own, I'm sure you must have gone thru more than one rrod, u can multitask all you want, what's the point of all this if I can only get to play halo and gears of war!! Pathetic. After being launched a year and some months after the 360 and much more xpensive...ps3 sales finally has surpassed 360 that's if half of the 360 sales aren't caused by rrod..my friend went thru 3 xbox 360..lol..so yallz have several seatz..

uncharted's game size has nothing to do with hhigh rez graphical asserts. Most multiplats games are bigger on ps3 than 360, even the ones that looked better on 360. That shud tell u something. If ur friend was willing to go thru 3 xbox 360s then maybe it was worth it. I'll address ur post properly later.

benalvino: Great is not about the power you put on paper as your spec... Great is about what you can ddo with your power. If the ps3 like let it be god on paper... If the greatnest of the machine cannot be seen in action then ita waste..
that you quote is another silly excuse. It has greater processor but limited because of the processor means the processor is not greater. Ps3 can't do what Xbox can.

And again complain if the games doesn't run smoothly as programming issue but don't say it affects the graphics.

Dude it does affect graphics. Less memory to work with will mean more pop ins etc. Isn't that graphics. games such as battlefield 3 and portal work better on the ps3. I dnt get u, why are u relunctant on accepting that the ps3 is also a gud console. John carmack of id software (google him if u dnt know him, he's a coding god) stated that both were equal, practicarly, but in raw power ps3 was better. It jux took more time to code for the ps3 than the 360, so devs dnt spend as much time, cos at the end of the day, both sell for the same price. The silly excuses u are talking about, some are from the 3rd devs and others from sony's 1st party devs and the last one from kaz hirai himself (I didn't copy all cos there is no need). If that is silly excuse, then maybe i shud stop trying . Plus if u think that gears of war has better graphics fidelity than uncharted 2 or 3 and killzone 2, then u're in denial. Gud day sir.

benalvino: I never said you said that... When you come with excuse like the ps3 is hard to program for... Because people said Xbox games looks better... Then you are trying to say the graphics of the characters are based on scripted codes... Simple as that.

no point arguing at this point... Xbox is Better. Am not the one saying it. But it has been proven so many times...

A report in the Dr. Dobb's Journal tested the development process of the PlayStation 3 and
found that Sony's console is "difficult to
program for." The report's authors went on to
explain that "software that exploits the Cell's
potential requires a development effort
significantly greater than traditional platforms." I looked for some Sony
supporters and found the best source of them all:

Kaz Hirai,
CEO of Sony
Computer

"We don't provide the 'easy
to program for' console that
(developers) want, because
'easy to program for' means
that anybody will be able to
take advantage of pretty much what the hardware can do, so then the question is,
what do you do for the rest of
the nine-and-a-half years?" --Kaz Hirai, CEO, Sony Computer Entertainment.

Source: m.cnet.com/news/sony-ps3-is-hard-to-develop-for--on-purpose/10173656.

so you were saying? Please don't say what you do not know, u're embarassing urself. I myself prefer the 360 cos i like the games better plus the graphics look cleaner, but i won't be bias when the obvious truth is facing me. Both are wonderful consoles. Deal with it.

Ps: Stop putting words in my mouth. no where did i imply that characters etc are a result of coding. Understand what people post b4 u reply. If u didn't get me right, u need to ask first.

benalvino: this comment shows you dont know how this things or console works... the consoles dont render graphics... they have GPU that process graphics... if your console GPU dont have features like lightning effect... then it means it wont display it...

a pc is use to model and render the graphics... when you making the object... it will look gray and without texture... when you add texture which is the skin and other things like shades etc... to render it will apply all those textures to the model you create which makes it look real... on a fast computers it usually takes time...

the work of the console is to process this renderings... the amount of details you put on your model is what affects the consoles GPU... like the xbox have better anti alias in its GPU... which gives it sharper graphics that the ps3. PS usually have 4x anti alias...

so the programming have nothing to do with the graphics...
Gears of war 3 beats any game you come with from the PS3... and the Xbox couldnt really reach its potential without costing much... if the can put as much details as they can on several games... its gonna require multiple disc which many developers complain against the xbox... even the developers of grand theft auto 4.

first point- Is the gpu not part of the console or do u buy that differently also?

second point- when did i claim otherwise, u're jux repeating what i said in other words.

Third point- dude there is a thing such as real time rendering used mostly in video games, allowing for user interactivity with the virtual environment created as opposed to the pre render of movies and other. It's all hardware dependent. Consoles can't render what the hardware won't allow. Simple as dat. So ur example of u using 3d max and maya 3d is completely irrelevant

Fourth point- point to me where i said the programming was what determined the graphics. Programming however helps with optimization and shortcuts. Eg in the case of the ps3, the games (most high profile ps3 games) are programmed in a way that the cell processor help in graphic processing, not jux the gpu...other games (journey) don't require that much, just the gpu would be enough. I'm sending from a phone so i can't properly choose the posts to reply to.

Fifth point- point me to the proof from epic games where they stated that dvd space hindered the full potential of the game. As a matter of fact i remember them stating that geow3 had maxed the 360 (whether it's true or not, idk)and seriously why are u bringing up the space issue again? I thought were done with it. what u said is what i have been saying throughout my entire argument with u, cost and disc swapping is the reason devs hate dvd on 360, not graphical fidelity. Okay enuff with the dvd vs blu ray argument.

benalvino: this comment shows you dont know how this things or console works... the consoles dont render graphics... they have GPU that process graphics... if your console GPU dont have features like lightning effect... then it means it wont display it...

a pc is use to model and render the graphics... when you making the object... it will look gray and without texture... when you add texture which is the skin and other things like shades etc... to render it will apply all those textures to the model you create which makes it look real... on a fast computers it usually takes time...

the work of the console is to process this renderings... the amount of details you put on your model is what affects the consoles GPU... like the xbox have better anti alias in its GPU... which gives it sharper graphics that the ps3. PS usually have 4x anti alias...

so the programming have nothing to do with the graphics...
Gears of war 3 beats any game you come with from the PS3... and the Xbox couldnt really reach its potential without costing much... if the can put as much details as they can on several games... its gonna require multiple disc which many developers complain against the xbox... even the developers of grand theft auto 4.

Double post

Shugamania: What's there not to understand?
At d end i was wondering if they were trying to drive me crazy and send me to d island too.

Lol. dats why I said it not for u. I adore movies like it (inception) and also horror movies (pls not slasher movies like saw series, there is a difference) and absolutely hate senseless action movies. If u feel like u're being sent to shutter island, abeg jux say ur prayers. Lol

ledafaze: My Pastor's wife (Pastor Mrs Folasade Olukoya of MFM Ministrties) once said this...

"There is power in flipping through the pages of the bible itself... not touching the tablet"

That is the crap we christian spew these days to justify God-knows-what. This is utter bull really. Why do we have to drammatize everything about us. Just like the other obvious lies people call testimonies to make God look good, which usually backfires and makes him look bad instead. John milton in his poem, ''on his blindness'' stated that whether we believe him or not, whether we worship him or not, God is God. God himself says that if we do not worship him, he'll raise the stones etc to do so......''for whether we worship him or not, God is God''.

9icetoo: Wait till ur pastor hits you on the head with a tablet during deliverance.

Lmao... And why would the opposite be true? does it help demons scatter faster when ur head is struck with a bible? Oh christians, what is wrong with us.

this so6p argument is still going. Wow. Ma guys, whether he had the eyes b4 ooo, after oooo, in the end he had the eyes. Simple.

Also graphics in a video games involves more than the things you model(characters, maps ect). There are a lot of other things going on than jux dat(weather, lighting, depth of field etc).These are all done in real time.

benalvino: what they fail to realise is that you dont program graphics... You model it.

If they say the multiplateform games on ps3 dont run like the Xbox cause of bad programming I will understand... Lol their excuse is useless. I dont know where someone uses computer to program graphics or 3d object. I have used Maya and 3dmax to render model and render planet mars which is very easy... I did not program the graphics, but I model and render it.

In real time? And if it is, have u compared ur hardware to those consoles. Pls dnt do this. Rendering real time graphics takes a a toll on hardware. Now i dnt know what u have done but i doubt it involves many other moving objects on screen, destructible environment, walkable environment. So please don't compare ur alpha/beta render to a full blown game rendered in real time, let's alone an open world game. the comparison is light and day. the movie avatar took a farm to just render (non real time) so imagine if we are try and render dat in real time, we'll need a country full of computers to do such. We aren't even rendering pixar level of graphics in real time. So pls come again.

jjk24: exactly wat av bein tryin 2 sai since fenks bss all dis xb0ts sain its cus its linear can dey pls menti0n dere 0wn exclusive dah aint linear n luks better dan infam0us 2 0r a linear exclusive dah luks better dan the last 0f us if dey can't cased cl0sed.!!

The artstyle of uncharted and last of us does not equate technical graphics. Games such as gears of war 3 have impressive technical graphics dat equal uncharted 3 but with an artsyle that is boring. Artstyle is not technical graphics. There are more open world games on the 360 compared to the ps3. That is a fact. the ''bigger'' the games, the harder it is to make the graphics look gud. so God of war is not gud in terms of technical graphics , but it does look gud....why won't it, it extremely linear.

trendytrendz: And the xbox fans are just yarning pure trash here..[/b]the ps3 is much more powerful than the xbox 360, the gpu is more powerful as well[b] but as much as hardware is important, software is very important too and as a result of the diffrent architecture with xbox 360 being closer to pc, its easier to code for the 360 than ps3 that's why multiplats look better on 360 than ps3. What will take yoU 2 lines of coding on 360 can take about 10 on the ps3 so the developers who most times are on time constraints don't infuse all their time to get it right on the ps3. So graphical fidelity is very dependent on software as well as hardware and also the experience of the dev team. For hardware, ps3 trumps 360 in gpu and cpu but since multiplatform is basically about selling games, devs don't want to use much more time to code for the ps3 when the ps3 nd 360 games both have the same release date. That can't be said about sony 1st party studio who are very experienced when it comes to ps3 architechture because they have access to needed equipment from sony, take a look at uncharted series by naughty dog, the xbox 360 is not able to pull of such graphical prowess and u may say because its linear that's why it looks so good, that goes both ways though, linearity has more to do with gameplay and ability to output such graphics, what's the use of kratos in god of war being in an open world system like gta when the gameplay guides you to just go ahead and kill. True to say, the xbox 360 can't output games with the same graphical fidelity like uncharted, god of waR, killzone and more recently last of uS! And that's because sonys 1st party studios are experienced in coding for the system and have all the needed tech from sony, now take a look at the cinematic cutscenes and even live game play of uncharted and god of war, the studios who produced those games have access to sony's amazing digital and camera technology hence being able to produce such movie like sequences. Another example is the problem of recently released skyrim, on 360 because its easier to code for has been released since, I'm talking about the dlc where as on ps3 the dev team ran into a lot of problems trying to code the same game for the ps3, but an experienced team like naughty dog could have pulled it of. The 360 use of dvd limits the graphical dexterity too as it would be unprofitable and cumbersome to have so many discs just to play one game, the last of us is 27gb!! Of data alone! The last of us Is linear but that doesn't reduce the graphical fidelity, being linear is more of gameplay than anything

the ps3 gpu is better than the 360?. Stopped reading right there. You are greatly misinformed. Dear sir pls do some research.

this year...hansel nd grettel. Too short, weak plot. Lot nd lots of plot holes. Witches trying to overcome fire. News flash, they can akso behead u etc. Why dnt u focus on making urself much more powerful so u dnt have to be caught and burnt in the first place. Stupid movie.

adaobi123: Shutter island. I dnt understand the movie at all cos it's not for me >

Fixed that for u.

Tosyn007: Translator's error, not Kishi's

Dude what are u on about. Did u even undastand what i meant? That quote was used to take a dip at how outrageous the chapter was. It's not'in the manga, it's a famous line in the show ''captain planet''. U have seen it right?. Naruto and minato bumping fists plus kishi's end liner of father nd son joining forces feels so much like these barbie fairy cartoons, or captain planet ''let our powers combine....'' i hope u get it now.