He wants to shift attention from Jorginho to mount , so that he will hv a better chance... messi and his fans only now depend on awards based on votes to claim greatest...but we know the greatest of the greats did win major titles like champions league mostly and did extremely well at world cups... some journalist even voted morata as the best, while another voted kessi as the best...really dumb way this award goes these days... balon dor should be won by a player that was most outstanding especially in crucial games and it leading his team to major trophies ... ur league title, world cup, champions league or the Euros.... if the world don't recognise winners of Afcon or Asian Cup or concacaf as legible candidate for balon dor , then copa should as well not be recognised cos they are all the same...only Euros measures up with the world cup and thats y the world cup has produced only European teams as winners in the last 4 editions...infact the world cup is now turning to the Euros...
ThierryJay: Messimerizers are on this thread because the conversation is about potential realistic Ballon D'or winners of which Messi is among. The real question is why are you here when your fave is not even in the conversation? Why chooking mouth inside wetin dey above the grade of you or your fave if not just to hate on a likely winner as usual
Messi deserves it because he had a good balance of individual contributions (Over 50 goals & assists in 2021) and trophies (Copa America & Copa Del Rey) where he was the main contributor to winning those trophies (best player in both competitions).
Lewandowski has slightly better individual stats than Messi but doesn't score high in the area of trophies or impact in high value competitions (Copa america is considered more significant than Bayern's annual Bundesliga celebrations) (Also didn't have any outstanding game in the UCL to boost his sole Bundesliga fireworks).
Jorginho scores the highest in trophies won but is embarrassingly low on individual contributions. I mean this is someone that was regularly subbed of the Italian team at the Euros and almost cost them the title with his missed penalty. In the UCL, Kante, Mount, Havertz and Giroud were the main drivers of Chelsea's win during the campaign.
So on the balance of it, Messi should win the award and there is nothing pained haters like you can do about it.
Mention one outstanding game messi had in the champions league?? Bundesliga is 10 times better than Spanish FA cup and the dead copa ... if Messi won it in 2019 cos he won la liga and European golden boot plus la liga best player in that same year that Brazil won copa and Ronaldo won nations league, then Lewandowski deserves it win it cos he won Bundesliga, European golden boot, Bundesliga best player.... they can't be shifting goal post every time to favour messi.... the most over hyped player in the history of football... bayern Munich being sooo good in Bundesliga dont mean its a weak league cos they also destroyed barca 8.2 ... u will on one hand say Lewandowski had it easy due to the team he played for compared to barca and messi, like messi dint hv the best team in world football when he won 4 straight balon dor.... hypocrites
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Messi minions now depend on an award based on sentimental votes to claim goat..when it comes to the koko which is Champions league, that the best is glaring to everyone's eyes ....he goes missing.... Best player in the champions league should even surpass balon dor cos for champions league , u must win it first and recognised as the teams best player , cos the whole world had watched ur performance lead the team to victory... not one award that some vote whoever they wish...imagine messi saying he will vote mbappe and neymar....is neymar near any best in the world?? Last year messi voted for neymar in uefas best player , when it was glaring that Lewandowski was the best.... awards will always be sentimental, thats y it should be scrapped, if its by votes .... some will even vote kessie or morata as the best player ...
OJEEMAH: All these old men sef......On what basis should Jorginho be awarded the Balon D'or??
In terms of performance, was the just average midfielder better than KDB, Kante, Bruno Fernandez, Gundogan or even Barella?
Even if they decide to use Modric law, he still doesn't deserve it...........He played about 40 games last season with no match winning performance
He has been duly compensated with UEFA Player of the Year.
If he wins, it will be the biggest fraud in Balon D'or history.......No one can boldly defend his average performance.
Neither does messi deserve it... messi minions always trash other players to promote messi thats how the clash between messi and Ronaldo started... they will trash any football player yo promote their midget fraud...look at them everywhere on this thread like BMC paid members
unbitchable: It was the same Sepp Blatter that extended voting deadline after the old fraud scored hat trick against Sweden so that the old fraud could win Fifa balond'or.
Y wudnt he have extended it when he was planning on giving it to that midget fraud again ,till he was caught off camera insulting CR7 while hailing the midget ...thats how the back to bk to bk to bk balon dor ended for the midget fraud
maxwell530: Ronaldo deserves 2012? The same year Lionel Messi scored 91 goals in a calendar year? Scored in 21 consecutive La Liga match? UCL highest goal scorer? 50 league goals in a season? The 2012 version of Lionel Messi is the most accomplished individual performance ever.
And what did he win?? Thats y I said the award is favoured towards Messi... its meant to be how ur individual performance impacted in ur team winning major titles ... so if he scored minors 50 goals and majors 2 goals that were not impactful with no trophies...u feel its better that the one that scored minors 20 goals but majors 10 impactful goals that won them titles ... thats y I said favouring Messi trashed the awards ... they always shift it towards him
OJEEMAH: Can you prove it?? oh, you have suddenly realized they all won Balon D'or because of their outstanding performances but all the times Ronaldo won, you were busy counting the number of goals he scored.......Try and be consistent with you argument. This same Sneijder was not even the best player in Inter that year?? Stop confusing Sneijders individual performance for what his team achieved. The award is an individual award and stats is significant define import goals and contribution then you will see how ridiculous you sound cos Messi contributed 4goals and 5 assists to Argentina's victory which means he was responsible for 9 out of the 12 goals Argentina Scored in Copa America. He also scored twice in the final to secure Copa Del Rey and plus his league goals that secured Champions league for Barcelona. No dey justify how Ronaldo take win Balon D'or in 2013......he benefitted from the same rigged system you complained about.
Was modric the best player at Madrid when he won?? Was Messi best best in la liga last season? Every time Ronaldo won it... he deserved it apart from maybe 2013...but based on how it used to play out, Ronaldo deserved 2012, deserved 2018...cos he was instrumental for his teams wonderful performance....it should be how effective a players performance is towards his team achieving greatness in big competitions
OJEEMAH: I don't know if the stats you presented about Sanchez is correct but I want to enlighten you a little about this award.
Balon D'or nomination is an award issued based on individual performance. Winning the award is dependent on how other players performed in that particular year.
Let's assume the stats that gets Messi nominated this year is the same stats Sanchez had in 2016.
In 2016, Sanchez had a good stats. Was his individual performance Balon D'or worthy despite his 48goals and assists combined? No, because others had better stats.
In 2016, winning Copa America was not enough to get Sanchez nominated because his individual performance was dwarfed by other players compare to Messi whose individual stats can only be matched by Lewandoski in 2021.
In 2016, Sanchez was not EPL top Scorer nor Best Player but in 2021, Messi topped goal chart in Spain and had the highest goal contribution in Europe.
In 2016, Sanchez was Copa America Best Player but in 2021, Messi was Copa America Best Player and Top Scorer
Look at the screenshot carefully, Messi had 51 goals plus 29 assists which means he was involved in 80 goals and assists.
Ronaldo had 44goals and 16 assists which means he was involved in 60 goals and assists.
Messi had a better individual stats in 2016 but Ronaldo backed his with UCL & Euros.
Now compare Sanchez's stats with those that were nominated let's see if he would even stand a chance.
But in 2018...u all hailed modric winning it...besides , since when did balon dor become an award based on goals and assists?? When zidane won it 2 times and when Ronaldinho, Figo, kaka , Rivaldo, luther matthaus, Baggio, weah all won it, was it based on number of goals and assists?? This whole rubbish started when they started favoring Messi in 2010.... Sneijder was meant to win it , then in 2012 , they came with that strange decision of giving Messi again cos he scored goals ... the award has always been rigged to favour messi...u cant be using goals to win the awards... important goals should win u the award or important contribution to ur team winning important trophies...that was how it used to be .... Ronaldo won 2013 cos he saw that Messi was now winning it due to goals, which was wrong ...
Messi in 2021: 50 g/a R16 champions league 3rd in the league Copa America winner Favorite to win ballon d'or
Alexis Sanchez in 2016 48 g/a R16 champions league 2nd in league Copa America winner Not in top 30 nominees
The fact that Messi is even in the conversation is unbelievable. His stats are great, but let's be real, nobody believed he was going to win after the season ended. He's only in the conversation because of his Copa America win
Messi in 2021: 50 g/a R16 champions league 3rd in the league Copa America winner Favorite to win ballon d'or
Alexis Sanchez in 2016 48 g/a R16 champions league 2nd in league Copa America winner Not in top 30 nominees The fact that Messi is even in the conversation is unbelievable. His stats are great, but let's be real, nobody believed he was going to win after the season ended. He's only in the conversation because of his Copa America win
He wasn't influential in any of the big games he played last season...real madrid, atletico, Juventus, psg, Brazil in the final, Colombia in the semi final...so he should get it for scoring penalties in the champions league, scoring Eibar, levante , zaragoza, betis Ecuador and Bolivia...its not just about his goals , who did he score those goals and what did it win them??
They want to use Messi to spoil this award... when modric won it in 2018 did he have the best goals and assists?? Just cos they dint want Ronaldo to overtake Messi... the following year, they reversed it to goals and assists to favour messi... this time around, I wan know the ojoro them wan use , cos Lewandowski has the highest goals and assists, while Jorginho has the trophies
OJEEMAH: If PSG does not improve before the knock out games, they may not go beyond the Quarter Finals.
The team lack balance and that's the first problem I expected the coach to solve.
If Pochie is smart.........He ought to have taken advantage of Messi's creativity and play him behind Mbappe while Di Maria operates from the right then find the right player to partner Verrati but instead the mediocre gaffer go play 2 hard tacklers (Perreira & Gana) wey lack every sense of creativity in the middle and still expect a good link up in the attack. No be juju be that?
U will always mk excuses...same coach that took them to semi finals last season .... stop making excuses for that fraud.... he wants to rely on reverse psychology to win CL.... now , una don de change mouth.... shay u said PSG will certainly win CL...I told u guys that those that hv been watching football for a long time know celebrities don't win u trophies... teams do.... u guys made it seem like mbappe, Neymar and messi were like God the Father, the son and the Holy spirit....now e don de clear for una eyes... start blaming his tools just like his days in barca and when he cudnt win anything with Argentina.... always throwing blames ... now is that not the formation the requested below ?? That was against renne , them still chop am
PriestlyLawyer1: Lionel Messi.. You forgot how Liverpool brought you to your knees. The likes of Inter Mikna and Man Utd ahead of Liverpool, the Parc de Princes is having a negative affect on messi's mind.
Rather...messi is having a negative effect on psg's mind
Most women are not equipped in making money legally...they will always need men to do their bidding, even in business...just look at mo abudu ...4kin politicians and top business men for her business to survive...the moment she was dropped, her TV station shut down
oyatainer: The op before me is emitting fire because of Messi.It's obvious you are bitter about Messi. It's only in Messi's years that you find faults. You recognised Modric that took Croatia to final without complain but despise Messi own. People tend to hate successful people sa.Its envy rather than facts because no where it is stipulated in the rule that Champions league winner should win it. Individual performance and consistency has been the factors ever since. If you had followed the award keenly before Ronaldo -Messi era, champions league or a trophy has never been the determinants.
Balloon dor winner has always been known right from time from the assumptions and opinions of pundits and journalists. Go to any site on football, you will see obviously how the favourites are selected which has been the key factor
What did modric do that Sneijder dint do in 2010 ...but they still dmgave it to Messi...did u complain?? When Messi won it in 2019 cos he won European golden boot and la liga ahead of VVD that win champions league, and took Holland to nations league final , did u complain?? So now that Lewandowski won European golden boot and bundesliga, he doesn't deserve it.... story
Contango: 1. You are missing the basic point. Messi has played all the positions except goal keeping, central defence and side back.
2. Messi has played central forward, Second striker, left wing, right wing, attacking midfield, central midfield and at some point in games, defensive midfield. As Pep, one of the most respected and experienced coaches would say, Messi is number 9, 10, 11, 8, 7, 6 and 4.
3. Most attackers don’t maintain the position the play. That someone is a striker on paper does not mean they maintain that position. Messi as a striker is not the same as Cavani or Lewandoski as striker. Most times, Messi is a false 9 meaning he is a coded midfielder whose job is to draw center backs into the field to create pockets of space for wingers and some central midfielders to exploit. Only creative players do that. Aside Messi, Firmino and Van Persie, we’ve not really had much false 9s that were effective. Similarly, Ronaldo is a traditional false left winger who starts at the left wing but cuts in centrally. So he is basically number 11 and 9.
4. Ronaldo only plays two positions. Number 9 and number 11. You only see him japa to the right wing (7) if the defender on the left wing is too tough for him. Ronaldo is a very good finisher but not a creative playmaker. He wouldn’t even compete with Liverpool’s firmino or Coutinho in in playmaking to be honest. But he is the best striker the world have seen in my opinion.
5. Don’t let your love for Ronaldo blind you from the truth. If you want to have an honest unbiased opinion as to who is better between the two, listen to experts and people with experience in the game. Find out frm world class coaches and football captains their opinion on who is best and why and stop following what short sighted fans say. While I respect the opinion of football fans, I think it is prudent to pay more attention to the opinion of subject experts
So he played left back and defensive midfield... messi fans are highly deluded
Glycolite: Having over 99 goals from the penalty spot don't make you a saint. Of Messi's 740+ goals,100 are from the penalty spot. Ronaldo's 760+ goals,136 are from the penalty spot. When the haters and midgetonians shout "penaldo",an observer will think 330+ of Ronaldo's 760+ goals are from the penalty spot. And they all pretend like Messi don't even have up to 50 penalty goals. Funny enough,Messi have more international penalty goals than Ronaldo. Messi 79 goals in international stage,about 19 are from the penalty spot. Ronaldo 112 international goals,only 16 are from the penalty spot. Do the penalty goals to non penalty goals ratio in international, and see for yourself.
What I'm saying in essence is that in the penalty merchant argument,Messi is not actually a saint as an average midgetonian will make you believe.
Don't mind those empty heads...when it comes to penalties, they will not remember that Ronaldo played 2 yrs ahead of him ...mumu people
Just cos Ronaldo fans don't talk... imagine saying he doesn't give out penalties...now watch below
Lewandowski outrightly deserves it... they gave it to Messi in 2019 because he won the European golden boot and la liga according to them ... Now Lewandowski won the European golden boot and bundesliga... he should get it also... whats good for the goose is also good for the other goose ...they can't be shifting goal post to be favoring Messi yearly .... in 2019, copa was played , but they dint consider it when they awarded it to Messi...so they should also not consider the Euros when giving it to Lewandowski....