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ologuntheo:
U have a big problem comprehending and I am not in the position to help you?
How has ronaldo helped juve stand a chance in winning the ucl. For the records, juve played 2 UCL finals before ronaldo joined. Ronaldo couldn't even get pass the quarter final stage.

Alot of u guys on dis forum.are just outrightly dumb..... if u cant understand what I posted then no need trying to explain cos u be Iti bolibo

KarlWest:
Mumu. Leave Yoruba and talk about Joe IGBOKWE

ABI you don disown him?

Igbokwe never belonged with igbos ...he never changed.....

JohnnyPalmer:
Messi has 3 goals against Chelsea

Stop posting wrong information just cos you want your agenda to agend

After about 10 failed attempts... same thing with juve , after about 6 failed attempts ... Ronaldo will not even fail to score u after 3 attempts

DareyFortified:
After all assement done with everything you've written, I will concluded by saying you don't know shit about football, you don't deal with facts or logic and all your anologies are totally misplaced.

I get the fact that you love Ronaldo and I can't dispute that. And yes you are emotionally attached him, that's why every of your argument are based on emotions not logic.

Ronaldo is a great player, probably the best goal scorer of all time, but comparing him with Messi is outrageous.

First your said assist and dribble is a rubbish stats, meaning everything zidane and Ronaldinho did throughout their lifetime is rubbish, and thus they should not be recognized as a great player.

But it's funny, you people don't compare Ronaldo to Pele or Maradona, but you guys always compare him with Messi who is arguably better than both Pele and Maradona combine.


But I think I will put an end to this argument, cus clearly you are not thinking straight. You are letting your emotions and love for Ronaldo to becloud your reasoning. Atleast at the end of their career one will be called the greatest player that ever lived and the other the greatest goal scorer.

Peace

When u guys get countered, u get confused.... only foolish people will compare a present football player to a past football player... We will compare Ronaldo with messi , not pele cos times hv changed... this shows u how foolish Messi fans are...

Ronaldinho and zidane used their skills to win world cup , Euros , copa , champions league, league titles, scored amazing goals in important games, turned games around .... zidane scored teams in Brazil, Spain, Portugal and Italy in world cup knock outs , who wudnt remember Ronaldinhos amazing game against England in the quarters.... zidanes mad ass winning goal in the Champions league final... Ronaldinho ms defence splitting pass that wrecked arsenal in the final of CL from a goal down....Ronaldinhos mad ass goal against Milan in 2006 semis ( snake bite that threw Nesta and stam off balance from 20 yards out b4 striking an unstoppableshot to the roof of the net with his left foot.. these men did powerful things ...

Ur messi is busy scoring Iran, Nigeria ( his personal favorite) Bosnia, Serbia in group stage and peru , Panama, Venezuela, Bolivia Ecuador Paraguay in copa ...and u dare compare him with the greatest....

I asked a question and no messi fan can answer... mention one difficult game that Messi turned around and I will mention 5 by Ronaldo ...world cup , copa and champions league

He scored mediocre teams and ud be screaming messi messi

Paying bloggers to be in the news..we know u are dying inside...stop faking it and wasting ur money paying bloggers ...enjoy ur karma in peace, u deserve it

Dazall:
For your information I'm no Messi or Ronaldo fanboy I just enjoy good football when I see one.

As a Chelsea fan I always had more fear seeing my team face a Messi team than a Ronaldo. Dazall

How many times has Ronaldo played u guys in the CL?? Just once and he hit u guys...messi that has played u guys about 10 times cud only score 2 times and that was the last time u guys played...thats urcso called greatest...keep on deceiving urself... one thing for sure ...u will understand how brutally dangerous Ronaldo is , when u meet him this season even at his age

OJEEMAH:
They played 2 finals before he joined......who scored the goals?? Ronaldo??

At the bolded, try easy with the lies.

It even makes it worse...what u just posted even makes it worse for messi... messi was on 10 goals scoring mediocre teams in the group stage...Ronaldo was on only 2 in the group stages... they both entered knockout, messi scored once in the round of 16 making it 11...Ronaldo dint score in the round of 16 ...waited for bayern ,atletico and juve and fired them with 10 goals to over take messi that cud only score once against psg ( penalty) that neymar won ... him and his whole barca team cudnt score juve one goal in 180 mins...it took Ronaldo only 75 mins to hit buffon 2ice

Dazall:
Those names you mentioned who comes close to Messi?. For the past few seasons Messi has been more of a playmaker than a striker yet he has a better goal ratio to Ronaldo.

Messi single handledly carried Argentina to the 2014 world cup final.

What you all don't understand is no one tree can make a forest.

If Ronaldo scores all the goals and Maguire and co are not ready to defend those goals then the team will suffer. E.g Losing to Young Boys what value was his goal to the team?

Every player has a role to play in a team and that's where Leo has been let down.

How has he been strictly a playmaker...dint u see their formations...even in Argentina...he plays upfront...messi doesn't play midfield... u messi fans are so deluded... what has messi won in the past 6 years...if he was as good as u guys claim, he wud hv won at least 3-4 champions league on the past 6 yrs ... he was a flop in the last world cup ...4 games only a goal against Nigeria... he has never in his career scored a former world champion weather in the world cup or copa ... 90% of messus goals are against mediocre teams

joedave:
Guy, you no wan learn You are there arguing and this makes me shudder at how ignorant many could be.

That money stolen was a proceed of crime and used for a business. If the matter proceed to court, the guy will lose the money to the lady. I mean every damn penny. Boyfriend or girlfriend nor dey were law dey. The law is the law. Besides that, it is morally wrong again based on what the guy did. This only support the phrase that the heart of man is deceitful and desperately wicked, Who can know it?

This is someone you sleeps with every now and then, you now used her money unknown to her obtain Once in a Life time opportunity and you returned back the one you stole. This type of person and those supporting him, are ready to kill easily for money when they feel aggrieved. I hate greedy minded people and circumventors with passion.

How can she prove that he stole it?? They are in a relationship for goodness sake...they are not strangers... did she report the case for it to be filed...u think the courts are based on sentiments

OJEEMAH:
I will liken it to the case of two(2) very good students. Let me call them Student A (Messi) & Student B (Ronaldo). They happen to be the best students in class but student A (Messi) is known to be the most brilliant guy who is humble, quiet and hates to be in the spotlight while Student B (Ronaldo), another very brilliant student has been putting relentless efforts to outdo student A (Messi) in academics. He answers questions in class (Press) and would go as far as organizing extra classes (Instagram) to prove a point to other students (FANS) & lecturers (COACHES) that he is better than student A (Messi) meanwhile Lecturers (COACHES) and School Management (UEFA & FIFA) acknowledge the fact that no student can match the academic prowess and achievements of student A (Messi). When Student B ( Ronaldo) realized student A (Messi) is an indomitable lion in academics, he started using other medium (PR Companies, Social Media & Family) to boost his image outside academic line like participating in school politics and also organizing social nights on campus just to be considered versatile by other students (FANS). It is not like Student A (Messi) can't use same strategy as Student B (Ronaldo) boost his image further but he doesn't deem it necessary.

From day one, Ronaldo is known to be a show boy and whatever you see or know about him today is the job of a good branding company. He likes attention and always want to be in the news. His own way of measuring up is by showing interest in things Messi does not consider relevant.

According to you, he's outspoken and flaws Messi in fashion sense & Charisma. I will consider this your personal opinion cos this isn't a statement of fact.

Not talking often does not mean he's not outspoken.

You have no proof to measure who has a better fashion sense cos Messi is a very private person.

Charisma?? By your logic, charisma is about IG followers but know this, I follow Ronaldo but I am not his fan just like many others.

Action star? .......omo, your point about Hollywood is based on assumption. If actors were selected based on your criteria, then Denzel Washington & Jimmie Fox will still be begging producers for roles.

Please where's your prove that the whole world tune to watch Man U vs Newcastle??

So the commentators were running commentary and watching Man u vs Newcastle at the same time??

U just posted crap....ur analogy is flawed... how is messi unmatchable?? Ronaldo is wanted by the press...he doesn't go to the press... how many interviews hv u seen him grant ?? .and how is messi better than him?? Ur analogy is based on academics... now the champions league which is a yearly competition determines the best in club football ...so if the champions league is likened to waec.... Ronaldo has passed it more than messi 5 times to 4 and has better grades 135 to 120...

If its jamb , he still flaws messi with 111 goals to 79 ...also he passed jamb ( Euros) with average students ( Portugal)first 5yrs b4 messi finally passed after 13 attempts ( since 2006) ... despite messi schooling in better conditions and better students around him ( Argentina) ...
Argentina is like say uniben cos they are recognised due to past achievement
Portugal is like university of akwa ibom...they dont have history ... the student Ronaldo, was the first ti creat history for them
Messi winning award for best student 5-4 compared to Ronaldo is based on sentiments as u said, people wud easily go for the ones they feel is humble ... but the result is what matters ...of which Ronaldo has a better result

ologuntheo:
u are just saying rubbish!
if we go by ur logic then Ronaldo should have won UCL with juventus. Shebi he his a goal getter and everything!
Do u even know the meaning of tactic approach to football.
You said messi needs a credible number 10 to win european cups!
Ever since Ronaldo left kroos and modric, ronaldo has not even passed the UCL quarter final stage, meanwhile messi has reched the semi finals playing 8,9,10 for Barcelona.
Messi has won European golden boot since iniesta and Xavi left meanwhile ur talented Rinaldo hasn't won any since he left Madrid!
Who now needs incredible number 10 more between messsi and Ronaldo?

Is English ur problem....dont u know the meaning of stand a chance... Ronaldo gave juve the chance to win the CL in his first 2vseasins especially the first season , but they blew it... he was the only one scoring for goodness sake... he went to Ajax scored the opening goal and a vital away goal, but the defence blew the lead... the second leg in turin, he opened the scoring again...but they cudnt hold on to the lead and no other person try to scorecagain... he overturned a 2 goal deficite against the best defence in Europe in the earlier round.. only if juve were as serious as previous seasons... their next 2 games to become champions wud uv been spurs and Liverpool....and Ronaldo wud hv won them that cup... in Madrid, he was scoring and others were also scoring.... now look at juve in the league...a disaster...
If Ronaldo dint leave madrid , they wud hv won 6 straight CL by now

Ronaldo won the CL without Kroos and modric in Manchester ....y has modric and Kroos notvwon it since he left ?? Ronaldo dint score any less than 15 goals every single time he won it at Madrid...since he left , no one has scored more than 6

UndauntedYOCA:
The comments I come across as well as threads on Nairaland leave me baffled as to the way some people reason, chai!
There are so many psychopaths, mentally unstable and self-centred people on this forum.

He has no obligation to give her more than the 10k...take it to any court in the world...the case will be thrown out....they probably live together and when she asked about the money he told her he was the one that took it and that he will pay her back of which she accepted...only to change mouth the moment he won... go and watch the movie Acrimony, ud understand better

xeju:
You collected it? Or stole it? You could go to jail and the lady can sue you for damages claiming that she might have invested the money to make millions, etc

Lol...I dint know how u hmguys think the courts work...which investment wud u use 10k to invest to mk millions .... even after a decade

SUPERPACK:
He will lose that whole earning if the girl takes the case to court and the girl will collect the earnings. It is a straight win for the girl should she sue the guy for stealing her money. Remember the case of Ivictus Obi. Worse case scenario, the betting company is involved, the man will be sued for money laundering because he violated their anti-money laundering rules and all winnings voided.
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Read below the opinion of a criminal law practitioner and an ex law enforcement agent with 36 years experience.

https://www.quora.com/If-someone-invests-with-stolen-money-is-the-money-they-gain-from-their-investments-legally-earned

Amount matters ...stealing millions from someone to double it or make 50% profit is different from using 10k to gamble and win 100m... what u posted cant be justified in the courts ... it will be thrown out by the judge

Who makes food with pkomo?? Is it a must?? How do some people even that stuff ??

Only bad belle people will say messi is better

mummyson26:
Den if we go by logic david beckahm is better than zidane and Luis figo ba?

How is David Beckham better than both??

Masterito:
She invested or traded her money without her consent, so she has right to demand better. She can claim she wanted to also bet the money. The guy should be careful make greed no let am lose the whole money.

Even if she claims that she wanted to betvwith the money, she wud have to prove it in court...I dont know if u guys hv ever been to a court b4... its not umumna under mango meeting.... its a court and with court comes evidence... she must provide evidence that she wud have won so so so if tmshe had the money with her .... reason being that there are no guarantees in betting ..... and even if she wanted to bet , then she must provide the wud hv won code of a game she had arranged

WaterWalker5:
The man dug his grave with his mouth

Even if he accept that he stole it ...the only thing is for him to return the stolen money na ... even if he admits ....no court will award the girl anything more ...unless she can prove that if he dintvsteal the money she wud have used the money to make a certain about of money...she wud hv to prove it in court...

Besides when the girl asked him , he told her that he will pay her back and she accepted...only for her to change mouth the moment he made a 100m

Dazall:
Sometimes I wonder if it's the same football we are all watching, Leo is an all round footballer. He can play as a playmaker, striker, Winger. Can Ronaldo ever?
Even the goals you use in comparing both Leo has a better goal ratio. Check the facts

Is he the only player that can play with those attributes?? Ronaldo, neymar bale , , benzema, reus , all can play those same roles...it all depends on a players priority or coaches tactics... Ronaldinho, Figo, Rivaldo all did that in the past ... dont act like its new in football

Ronaldo has played like a winger and has played as a playmaker for Portugal...there is nothing there in playmaking as long as u are a good passer of the ball... Ronaldo's priority is to score goals ...if he wants to playmake, he will easily do it

Natural441:
If you join nations league

Then Messi won super cup for Argentina
Make the cup be 2

What is super cup?? Why do u messi fans like forcing crap stats.... thats y he is the most overrated football player in history... if its not Olympics, its junior world cup... Next think ud bring up assists and key passes...irrelevant stats ...

Ronaldo has the record as the only player to have scored in 3 different champions league final for 2 different teams against 3 different teams ...

Only player to have scored 4 goals total in a champions league final


Messi has only scored 2 against same team .... mention one game for both club and Country that Messi overturned the game from a loosing position and I will mention 5 games that Ronaldo did that ...important games ...start...waiting

Masterito:
She invested or traded her money without her consent, so she has right to demand better. She can claim she wanted to also bet the money. The guy should be careful make greed no let am lose the whole money.

When ubgetvto Court, its a different ball game...besides he has the money to hire the best lawyers... even with an average lawyer, they will throw the case out of court... did she file a complaint with the authorities?? The contention here is 10k and not 100m or 40m... 10k was stolen and not 40m or 100m regardless of what that money was used for... u cant claim she wanted to bet with the money cis she has no proof that she created a bet slip that wud hv won her money...if she did, then she must prove it in court ...

The 100m wasn't necessarily made out if the 10k ...rather, it was made out if his intelligence and luck.... now ,let me make u understand this... no one can use 10k to make a 100m for anyone...I can bet that if he had asked her for the money and told her he wants to use it to bet, she will decline ... if its easy let her use another 10k to go make the 100m na

SUPERPACK:
it is there in the topic. Man stole 10k and used it to bet.

Leave topic...I'm talking about the courts ....what of if he claims he borrowed her ...is there any proof that he actually stole it ... even if he stole it, is there any proof that he used the stolen money to bet

DareyFortified:
Lol
Like I said after everything you've said about Ronaldo, which most of them are incorrect the only thing you talked about is his Goals. And if it's only goals you use to determine who the best player is, then I'm sorry your don't know shit about football.

Come to even think of it, even in goals Messi still beat Ronaldo.

Messi have won more personal awards than Ronaldo
Messi have more international trophies than Ronaldo

So no matter how you want to judge it, whether goals, assist, achievement, awards, trophies, and even highest paid , Messi will always be better.

Know this and know peace.

U think its just by u writing trash ( typical messi fans) how does messi have more international trophies and how does messi have more goals... u are delusional

Euros and nations league 2
Copa 1

International goals 111 Ronaldo
International goals 79 messi
Club goals Ronaldo 690
Club goals messi 681

SUPERPACK:
He will lose that whole earning if the girl takes the case to court and the girl will collect the earnings. It is a straight win for the girl should she sue the guy for stealing her money. Remember the case of Ivictus Obi.
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Read below the opinion of a criminal law practitioner and an ex law enforcement agent with 36 years experience.
There is a Maxim in the law taken from the Latin language. Ex Turpe Causa Non Artier Actio .In English it means: “From a bad or base cause no good can come”. The makers of the law knew before hand that there would be people who will try to skirt the rule of law for their own selfish and unlawful and dishonest purposes. A sum of money stolen and then used to invest in anything such as land or gold bars of silver or what ever kind properties and as a result makes a gain on it is still stolen property.
Money has an “opportunity cost,” so when someone steals it from the owner, they are stealing the opportunity of the owner to enjoy his money or to employ it elsewhere to make a profit. The money is stolen and whatever is bought or what ever profits or returns on it is still stolen property and belongs to the original owner. So no attempt to launder the profits or the original sum will be lawful.
It is a criminal act for which the perpetrator is well deserving of a jail term that the court may impose . Thieves sometime steal goods and sell them and use the proceeds of sale to buy jewelry or some other kinds of properties in a vain effort to launder the money .The jewelry is also stolen property. If the jewelry is sold and the proceeds used to buy gold bars, it is still stolen property. If the gold bar is melted down and made into gold coins, they still remain stolen property.
Furthermore every person who helps in the process knowingly can be charged with handling Stolen property or receiving stolen property. In this case ,”willful blindness” is still “knowingly”. This remain so even if the police will return the property to the original owner after the Court is finish with the case and the penalty imposed.

There is another Latin Maxim used in law that says ;”He who comes to Equity Must come with Clean Hands”. It means that if a person does something wrong in both civil law and criminal law, they cannot come to the court to enforce any claim against the police or the owner who has since seized what is rightfully theirs because the perpetrator of the act “hands are dirty” .if one breaches a contract they cannot come to court to request that the court enforce any obligation ,clauses or duties against the innocent party to that contract .
https://www.quora.com/If-someone-invests-with-stolen-money-is-the-money-they-gain-from-their-investments-legally-earned

How will her lawyers prove that the 10k he stole was for betting??

Y should she collect 40m ?? Its not her money...her money is 10k

Modified...all u guys saying he owes her should go and watch the movie Acrimony .... the husband stole from her multiple times, to run a business... she even sold her house and gave the guy for the business...but business no gree work.... she got frustrated after 20 yrs of hope...she threw the guy out onlyvfir the business to finally work... he was paid about 150 million dollars...he went to see his ex wife and gave her 10 million... she went to court to claim the whole money siting that it was her money that was used.... the judge threw the case out saying as long as she divorced him b4 money show he owes her nothing and that doesn't she understand that the man was even generous to have given her 10m and was under no obligation to even give her the money in the first place ... the only thing he owes her was the money she gave him ...

OJEEMAH:
Messi is a silent achiever.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jimdobson/2021/04/12/soccer-legend-lionel-messi-adds-luxury-ski-resort-to-his-growing-hotel-empire/?sh=667b92696c28

This is Forbes. A very reliable source just in case you want to argue.

Note this.......if Messi decide to use PR companies and the Media to promote his image and investments, you'll realize how inferior Ronaldo is to him. That's why I laugh at the ignorance of most Ronaldo fans whenever I hear them say, CR7 is a brand and M10 isn't......... He can as well make it a booming brand but he's not concern about things like branding

Messi can never brand like Ronaldo... to start with messi doesn't hv the looks , Ronaldo has the looks of a model , Ronaldo has played in different nations and performed highly.... fashion sense , he flaws messi .... charisma, he flaws messi , he is outspoken ... he is fluent in English .... if it comes to Hollywood and producers should wanna take one ,out if the 2 fo a lead role in a movie, who do u think they will pick?? Ronaldo looks like an action star .... the whole world tuned in to watch his game against Newscatle...itvwas one of the most watched games on TV.... a TV commentator in Germany said while he and his colleagues were commenting on the Dortmund leverkusen game which was an epic game, they abandoned it to scream goaaal when Ronaldo scored against Newscatle.... /thats the guy knows how to hit head lines ... he broke the international record in style... scoring 2 late goals against Ireland to turn the game around

Dazall:
You ended spewing trash

Every professional who has faced both Ronaldo and Messi will be laughing at the bolded right now.

A peak Messi is ten times harder to face than a peak Ronaldo...EOD

What did a peak messi do?? Do u know barca of 2008 to 2012 was the best team ( when it comes to game play) in the history of club football, that transcended to the Spanish national team winning back to back euros and the world cup being sandwiched in between.... the Spanish national team had its engine in Barcelona ( peak iniesta, xavi, busquet) these three players made people like pedro turn to zlatan ... they thrived for both club and Country... while messis Argentina kept in making excuses .... do u know if Ronaldo played in that team , he wud hv crossed a thousand goals by now ... again pep is an exquisite coach, he turns good to excellent...look at what he is doing at city.... let me tell u... messi needed super tools to achieve what he has achieved...Ronaldo only needed just slightly above tools ... the moment iniesta and xavi got caught up with age , Messi has only scored 7 times in the knock out of CL since iniesta and xavi left ...7 goals in 6 years compared to Ronaldo's over 40 goals in the same era of 6 years... u cant be using league to be claiming greatest... in Spanish league , its only atletico and real madrid to contend with ...the CL is all about the best of the best ...

I dont even understand how u guys argue.... its too clear....comparing Ronaldo and messi is like comparing Mercedes and BMW

DareyFortified:
I understand the fact that you lack football knowledge, cus if you do, you will be able to see that every available stat today puts Messi ahead of Ronaldo.

Funny enough, why are those people who were goal machines like Greg muller, Josef Bican and Alli Diae that scored high amount of goals are never discussed in the GOAT argument? I didn't watch either Pele or Maradona play but ever since I was born I've been hearing they were fantastic players. And people who watched them play still confirmed that Messi is better than both of them. You can go on YouTube and watch why Pele or Maradona is great, is not just because of goals.

I'm a tech guru too, and let's face the fact there are people who just have the natural ability to do things others find difficult to do. You can't compare someone who is naturally gifted to do things with someone who is not.

And let's be clear, I understand you wants to show off that you have friends in wall street, which I don't give a Bleep about. Wall street business is different from football. I can't be asking snoop Dogg to provide me with the cure of cancer. Snoop is not a medical doctor.

Messi is the most successful footballer to ever play football. You can go and check it.

U are one of the most delusional humans beings I hv come across on the Internet.... what was pele known for ?? What was puskas known for?? What was Alfredo di stefano known for?? What was shearer known for??

According to u, Messi has broken all available stats , of course irrelevant stats that u messi minions move about stat padding.... highest assist, highest striking of cross bar , highest key pass, highest man of match award, highest number of thru pass , highest number of back pass ,highest humber of drbbles, highest number of curlers ....nonsense, nonsense stats... major stats , highest number of goals in international football (Ronaldo) highest number of club goals ( Ronaldo) ....I can go on and on... its certain u messi fans are sooooo jealous that Ronaldo has records u wished Messi had , and its making u guys sooo bitter and thats y u guys hv run to irrelevant stats to keep up with Ronaldos stats...

The only stat that Messi has over Ronaldo presently is the balon dor which of course we know awards are always sentimental and dies not actually justify the best cis if we used that as a perimeter, then its also fair to say modric is better than iniesta and xavi and that cannavaro is better than Maldini or gentile ... or ud say VVD is better than ramos ... I can bet u dont even know the person that had the record of valon dor wins b4 messi and Ronaldo, ud hv to Google it now to check... u dont hv to , its Johan cruyff with 3 balon dors ...but no one talks about him like pele and maradona that dint even win one... thats cos people don't care about awards ... only major titles and goals... The people of Brazil sing praises about pele cos he won them 3 world cups smashing in crazy goals ... the people of Argentina sing praises about maradona because of 86 WC ... the people of Portugal sing praises about Ronaldo cis he gave Portugal its first ever international title ... pele and maradona were striking teams like Italy, Spain, England, Belgium, Germany out of world cup and ur midget has only scored mediocre teams in tournaments..... he has never in in career scored a former world champion in a tournament, be it copa or world cup and u call him greatest... out of his 120 champions league goals , about 100 came in the group stage playing minors... Ronaldo has half of his champions league goals coming in knockouts... messi's half international goals come from friendlies ...Ronaldo only has 15% of his 111 goals coming from friendlies

paulolee:
ur opinion though bt messi is more loved n already a more legendary figure than cr7..
till den sha..

Messi more loved u say but Ronaldo is the most followed person on the planet on social media ... Ronaldo is more of a legend, cos his legendary moves across 4 great footballing nations

He actually ate his words