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LordReed:
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Lmao

Dribble your own shadow

LordReed:
LoL! So have people way smarter than you determined that there is no evidence of your delusions. And I am glad I am one of such people.

All he is doing is calling everything into question and sneaking in the god idea at the end. The silly argument goes thus:

1. We can’t be sure anything exists
2. We are sure consciousness exists because of thinking
3. Thinking is evidence that something exists
4. Everything is a probability including the self
5. Therefore, God exists.

FreeIgboho:
Here you are, deciding what is possible and what man can achieve, when you don’t even have any objective way of being sure you yourself exist!

I said stop acting as if your unfounded ideas are nothing more than fiction. I did not say anything about what man can or can’t achieve. Learn the difference between sci-if and metaphysics.
I’m sure I exist. The delusion is yours……

FreeIgboho:
Well he became the richest man in the world by far by foreseeing that almost all our vehicles will soon be electric and self-driving, and also that man needs to colonize other planets for what we call consciousness to survive. Also merging of AI and humans (Neurolink). He got all this from being a voracious consumer of sci-fi when he was younger.

Build an altar to him while you’re at it. As usual, all manner of holes in your assertions, but I’m not getting into a conversation about Musk.

truespeak:

So disturbed, the other identity shows up to lend moral support.

Dtruthspeaker:
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Ha, struck a nerve I see.

One day Noah said to him, "Come with me, Og. I am going around the world. I am commanded to plant fruit and flowers to make the earth beautiful. I need thy help."

For many days they wandered all over the earth, and Og was compelled to carry the heavy bag of seeds. The last thing Noah planted was the grape vine.

"What is this—food, or drink?" asked Og.

"Both," replied Noah. "It can be eaten, or its juice made into wine," and as he planted it, he blessed the grape. "Be thou," he said, "a plant pleasing to the eye, bear fruit that will be food for the hungry and a health-giving drink to the thirsty and sick."

Og grunted.

"I will offer up sacrifice to this wonderful fruit," he said. "May I not do so now that our labors are over?"

Noah agreed, and the giant brought a sheep, a lion, a pig and a monkey. First, he slaughtered the sheep, then the lion.

"When a man shall taste but a few drops of the wine," he said, "he shall be as harmless as a sheep. When he takes a little more he shall be as strong as a lion."

Then Og began to dance around the plant, and he killed the pig and the monkey. Noah was very much surprised.

"I am giving thy descendants two extra blessings," said Og, chuckling.

He rolled over and over on the ground in great glee and then said:

"When a man shall drink too much of the juice of the wine, then shall he become a beast like the pig, and if then he still continues to drink, he shall behave foolishly like a monkey."

And that is why, unto this day, too much wine makes a man silly.

"I will soon leave thee, Father Noah," he said. "I shall wander round the world to see what is left of it."

"Thou canst not go until I permit thee," said Noah. "Hast thou forgotten our compact so soon? Thou must be my servant. I have work for thee."

Giants are not fond of work, and Og, who was the father of all the giants, was particularly lazy. He cared only to eat and sleep, but he knew he was in Noah's power, and he shed bitter tears when he saw the land appear again.

"Stop," commanded Noah. "Dost thou wish to drown the world once more with thy big tears?"

So Og sat on a mountain and rocked from side to side, weeping silently to himself. He watched the animals leave the Ark and had to do all the hard work when Noah's children built houses. Daily he complained that he was shrinking to the size of the mortals, for Noah said there was not too much food.

The rain continued to fall in great big sheets that shut out the light of day. Inside the Ark, however, all was bright and cheerful, for Noah had collected the most precious of the stones of the earth and had used them for the windows. Their radiance illumined the whole of the three stories in the Ark. Some of the animals were troublesome and Noah got no sleep at all. The lion had a bad attack of fever. In a corner a bird slept the whole of the time. This was the phoenix.

"Wake up," said Noah, one day. "It is feeding time."

"Thank you," returned the bird. "I saw thou [30]wert busy, Father Noah, so I would not trouble thee."

"Thou art a good bird," said Noah, much touched, "therefore thou shalt never die."

One day the rain ceased, the clouds rolled away and the sun shone brilliantly again. How strange the world looked! It was like a vast ocean. Nothing but water could be seen anywhere, and only one or two of the highest mountain tops peeped above the flood. All the world was drowned, and Noah gazed on the desolate scene from one of the windows with tears in his eyes. Og, riding gaily on the unicorn behind the Ark, was quite happy.

"Ha, ha!" he laughed gleefully. "I shall be able to eat and drink just as much as I like now and shall never be troubled by those tiny little creatures, the mortals."

"Be not so sure," said Noah. "Those tiny mortals shall be thy masters and shall outlive thee and the whole race of giants and demons."

The giant did not relish this prospect. He knew that whatever Noah prophesied would come true, and he was so sad that he ate no food for two days and began to grow smaller and thinner. He became more and more unhappy as day by day the water subsided and the mountains began to appear. At last the Ark rested on Mount Ararat, and Og's long ride came to an end.

Noah, however, only smiled; but he grew serious again when Og brought a unicorn. It was as big as a mountain, although the giant said it was the smallest he could find. It lay down in front of the Ark and Noah saw by that action that he must save it. For some time he was puzzled what to do, but at last a bright idea struck him. He attached the huge beast to the Ark by a rope fastened to its horn so that it could swim alongside and be fed.

Og seated himself on a mountain near at hand and watched the rain pouring down. Faster and faster it fell in torrents until the rivers overflowed and the waters began to rise rapidly on the land and sweep all things away. Father Noah stood gloomily before the door of the Ark until the water reached his neck. Then it swept him inside. The door closed with a bang, and the Ark rose gallantly on the flood and began to move along. The unicorn swam alongside, and as it passed Og, the giant jumped on to its back.

"See, Father Noah," he cried, with a huge chuckle, "you will have to save me after all. I will snatch all the food you put through the window for the unicorn."

Noah saw that it was useless to argue with Og, who might, indeed, sink the Ark with his tremendous strength.

"I will make a bargain with thee," he shouted from a window. "I will feed thee, but thou must promise to be a servant to my descendants."

Og was very hungry, so he accepted the conditions and devoured his first breakfast.

Just before the world was drowned all the animals gathered in front of the Ark and Father Noah carefully inspected them.

"All ye that lie down shall enter and be saved from the deluge that is about to destroy the world," he said. "Ye that stand cannot enter."

Then the various creatures began to march forward into the Ark. Father Noah watched them closely. He seemed troubled.

"I wonder," he said to himself, "how I shall obtain a unicorn, and how I shall get it into the Ark."

"I can bring thee a unicorn, Father Noah," he heard in a voice of thunder, and turning round he saw the giant, Og. "But thou must agree to save me, too, from the flood."

"Begone," cried Noah. "Thou art a demon, not a human being. I can have no dealings with thee."

"Pity me," whined the giant. "See how my figure is shrinking. Once I was so tall that I could drink water from the clouds and toast fish at the sun. I fear not that I shall be drowned, but that all the food will be destroyed and that I shall perish of hunger."

FreeIgboho:
Sci-fi speculations of yesterday are today’s reality. Ask Elon Musk where he got his ideas from

Sci-fi about what man can achieve is different from the metaphysical claims that you are trying hard to conflate with it. Now, there’s nothing inherently wrong with conflating the two (The Matrix; 2001: A Space Odyssey; Aliens: Covenant), but don’t go around behaving as if it isn’t fiction.

Elon Musk is another non-authority your type like to cite. Cite what the man did to support your assertions, don’t just name drop and expect someone who doesn’t place people on a pedestal to acknowledge them.

FreeIgboho:
Now u r getting. No possibility can be definitively ruled out - except that nothing exists.

I know the difference between sci-fi speculation and real life. You seem incapable of that. That’s what I get.

FreeIgboho:
I made it clear I ONLY used it to show that, just as Neo thought everything was real when they were not, sane could be our case. That’s ALL!

We could be playing out a script written by Plasma Beings residing inside the sun who use us as a form of hybrid entertainment.

Earth is a prison colony created to pacify or punish brains in a vat located in the fourth dimension.

Same could be our case, That’s ALL!

FreeIgboho:
I hope we are all now all agreed that cogito is fallacious

Whatever floats your boat sweetheart.

FreeIgboho:
What’s with your fixation with that movie? It’s just a vehicle for analogy!!!
As for time/space, does it mean he didn’t exist when he wasn’t thinking? How can thinking NOW establish his existence yesterday?

My fixation?!

Aren’t you the one who posted the movie and made the absurd neo/matrix analogy?

Rephrase those questions.

FreeIgboho:
The man is a neuroscientist. That’s his expertise. I don’t think it’s yours. See what he says below. Tell us what part of it is false.
(Notice how what he is saying is what I told you is POSSIBLE. Yet here he is, stating it as a fact!)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ut6cr89GDVk

I don’t care that he is a neuroscientist. Besides, what he said is not based on neuroscience but metaphysics from the Buddhist perspective. Both your edited video and the full clip makes that clear. It’s contradictory word salad with the same old religious ideas. He says there is no self in one breath then talks about self transcendence in the other.
The “I” exists, otherwise I wouldn’t be speaking to you. The sense of self and consciousness comes from the brain and we’ve seen people lose their sense of self when the brain starts malfunctioning regardless of anything the Buddhists say.

Appeal to authority doesn’t work here.

FreeIgboho:
Sorry, the delayed responses are not intentional.

You probably like Sam Harris.
Well, Sam Harris is a one example of someone who argues from a neuroscientific point of view that the “I” is an illusion. And if there is no self to attribute existence, the cogito fails.

Descartes’ entire motivation for writing that famed statement was in order to establish that he existed, based on the premise that to think requires a thinker, and that the thinker must be something - him.
Which assumes a lot about time and space and that our thoughts are not manipulated to fallaciously deduce cogito ergo sum.

The statement we can really be 100% sure about is: “There is thinking, so something exists.”

No, I probably don’t like Sam Harris or any other supposed authority.
He says the “I” is an illusion but I bet he still answers to Sam Harris and still refers to himself as “I”. Also, he’s one of those atheist whites who down Christianity but romanticize Buddhism and that’s where he got the no “I” nonsense.

The only one assuming about time/space and other nonsense is you. And your assumption is based on the misunderstanding of a movie.

If you’re 100% sure there is thinking, then you should be 100% sure that there is a brain doing the thinking. A brain housed in an individual’s skull does the thinking unless you can show me a disembodied thought.

Again, you keep taking about there is no “I” so how can there be “we”?

P.S. Sam Harris and the likes of him who use phrases like “western civilization started from the Greeks” or “judeo-Christian values” are no people I place much value in or give a damn about their views. Their views are obviously warped by ignorance and the mental illness ironically called “white supremacy”.

FreeIgboho:
I didn’t say u r dense. I said u can’t be that dense.
You keep forgetting we are talking of certainty. Same way “I think, therefore I am” is wrong because it presupposes an “I” doing the thinking, when strictly speaking, all we are 100% sure of is that thinking is taking place

Ok, you can’t be that dense either. But the evidence doesn’t suggest so. The one suffering from a delusion is you. And the delusion is that you’re not certain of anything.

Anyway, thinking is taking place within a conscious agent that can refer to itself as a distinct individual so Cogito ergo sum is not wrong.

Even your grammar betrays your unfounded arguments. You’re not sure that “I” is doing the thinking but “we” are sure that thinking is taking place.

FreeIgboho:
Ahaa, see that’s the thing : how do you know??
Is it not conceivable that all that exists is a sea of consciousness and our individual selves are illusion. In fact that’s their belief in some religions - that we are all one, that the individual is an illusion

Still talking nonsense.
Your “sea of consciousness” only makes sense as a metaphor for a crowd of people otherwise it’s rubbish.

I don’t care for the exoteric nonsense votaries of the different religions have been taught to believe.
The individual is not an illusion. Yes, we are all part of the universe and made up of atoms that have always existed, but individuals aren’t illusions.

How do I know this? I know because I am conscious. I am aware of what I perceive as distinct from myself.

FreeIgboho:
I didn’t say u r that dense - I said u can’t be.
Now, remember we are dealing with certainty. There is no way we can be 100% certain that consciousness is not all that exists. In other words it is conceivable though not likely at all - it is entirely possible that all that exists is perception, consciousness. Like we are all in a dream but that dream is all there is - no before or after it.

Lol. Just stand by your words and call me dense. You are not intelligent enough for it to mean anything.

Your arguments are nonsense. Perception and consciousness do not exist independent of a life form that can perceive other objects.
Your dreams are entirely dependent on things you have perceived and you can’t dream of things you’ve never perceived. Go ahead and dream or think about Buzithliamis if you can.

We can be 1000% sure that consciousness is not he only thing that exist because consciousness itself is an attribute of certain things that exist.

FreeIgboho:
Look at it this way: some people believe things just are and have always been - no creation or nothing. Same way (forget the Matrix for a minute if u can) maybe consciousness is all there is, and all there has ever been!

What is creation? Rhetorical question because I’m not entertaining silly religious claims so “creation” is a non-starter.

Conciousness is a property of something and doesn’t exist on its own. Too many people on this board acting as if consciousness exists as an object.

There are no consciousnesses running around anywhere. Life forms are conscious. Consciousness is not an independent thing that exists without a life form that is conscious.

FreeIgboho:
You can’t possibly be this dense. If u really are, then may be we should stop. We are only using the movie as an analogy, and the only things relevant to our analogy in the movie is Neo inside the matrix, not Smiths or any of the other stuffs. Look at it this way: some people believe things just are and have always been - no creation or nothing. Same way (forget the Matrix for a minute if u can) maybe consciousness is all there is, and all there has ever been!

You can call me dense all you want, I don’t rate your intellect high enough to consider it an insult.

Your analogy is nonsense because you ignore everything that goes into creating the matrix and keep insisting that Neo doesn’t know the difference between the Matrix and the real. You even want to ignore the other characters in the damn movie just to support your ignorance.

I’ll have a conversation about consciousness if you can show consciousness independent of the brain. Even your Neo’s consciousness in The Matrix is housed within a material body that is connected to the computer. Or are you going to claim that Neo’s consciousness didn’t depend on a brain/body?

The next movie in the series comes out in December. Maybe they will introduce other ideas to buttress your nonsense.

FreeIgboho:
Now u r getting it a little bit!! Neo has no way of knowing what he doesn’t know that he doesn’t know. So Neo can rightfully say: “the only thing I’m 100% certain about in this my reality is that I’m perceiving things, beyond that I’m not sure any of this stuff truly physically exists the way I perceive them, or even exits at all”

Answer the questions and stop fooling yourself.

KnownUnknown:
I don’t see anything.

To play your silly game. Isn’t there a difference between the reality in the Nebuchadnezzar/real world and the reality in the Matrix?

Isn’t there a difference between the fields,where they grow humans and connect their brains to the mainframe through the pods, and the Matrix?

You keep on yapping about consciousness being the only real thing in the Matrix while ignoring the real world where the connections occur.

Yapping about the matrix and ignoring that the damn computer holding the simulation is supposed to be in the real world.


Did you just see the movie or something?!!!

FreeIgboho:
Now u r getting it a little bit!! Neo has no way of knowing what he doesn’t know that he doesn’t know. So Neo can rightfully say: “the only thing I’m 100% certain about in this my reality is that I’m perceiving things, beyond that I’m not sure any of this stuff truly physically exists”

Getting what?!

There is a real world in the damn movie apart from the simulation they called the Matrix. Neo’s brain and all the human brains are connected to a mainframe. So things in the matrix are not real but they are based on things in the real world.

The conversation between Cypher and Agent Smith is an example. The steak that the machines coded in the matrix is based on the steak that humans ate in the real world before the war with the machines forced them underground. Everything in the matrix is a model based on something real. Even the Neo in the matrix is based on the real Neo connected to the mainframe computer through the pod.

You are not saying anything sensible. You don’t even understand the movie you are using to support your nonsense.

FreeIgboho:
Here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVM5-_fusjs

I don’t see anything.

To play your silly game. Isn’t there a difference between the reality in the Nebuchadnezzar/real world and the reality in the Matrix?

Isn’t there a difference between the fields,where they grow humans and connect their brains to the mainframe through the pods, and the Matrix?

You keep on yapping about consciousness being the only real thing in the Matrix while ignoring the real world where the connections occur.

Yapping about the matrix and ignoring that the damn computer holding the simulation is supposed to be in the real world.


Did you just see the movie or something?!!!

FreeIgboho:
Simulated or not, the fact that there is perception is 100% certain

Hdjkf huddle haul Reid oh . This simulation hjkfjhh dysfunctional. Shutting xxxdyg. Next Simugdtion scheduled for 00:14.

FreeIgboho:
Oh, you don’t know the movie “the matrix”?
I’ll that clip and post it

Movies don’t exist. The clip you want to post is a signal in the simulation they created to convince you that you are alive.

FreeIgboho:
“Real” means something that actually exists as they are perceived. The fact that perception is going on is 100% certain. That is consciousness

Nothing exists to perceive. Even this conversation is simulated. Perception is not going on. They are simulating your consciousness.