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DeepSight:
Justcool describes what I mean properly here -

https://www.nairaland.com/775552/speed-light-time-einstein-extra-universal#9318086

And his two succeeding posts on same.

The person did not say anything but repeat “real time” that everyone “intuitively knows”.

The time that everyone knows is the one that’s dictated by the sun.
Then there are the theories of relativity which have been put to practical use.
Real time on the other hand would fit in with the grail message where they astral travel to la la land.

“The vacuum where things happen” known as real time could exist. It’s even similar to Newton’s space but relativity has proved better at describing spacetime.

You didn’t answer the more important self existent question.

By the way, the universe (including us) is the self existent entity if there needs to be one, and we see the self existence play out everyday in the dynamism of nature.

DeepSight:
Change is what gives rise to the measurement of time, not time itself.

No, change itself gives rise to time. If there is no relative motion/movement then there is no time. A day is a measurement of the earth's revolution (change) around it's axis which continually aligns part of the surface to the sun. That change and a couple of others give rise to time. If these changes do no occur, there is no time.

DeepSight:
Time is not an emergent property of anything. Time - real time - infinite time - is self existent.

Those are claims with no backing. Describe this self existent infinite time.

DeepSight:
That which relativity references as time is something else entirely, and I wish they would use a different word for it. Or, better put, time, real time - is not the same sort of thing scientists refer to in these discussions.

You have to explain this real time as opposed to relativity in order to advance your idea.

DeepSight:
And please reflect also that the experience of time and real time, are two altogether different things.
An ant may not experience five minutes the same way you do.

The probability that an Ant or an house fly do not experience time like I do does not advance your argument one bit. You can't just make unsubstantiated claims and ask someone to reflect. Reflect on what?
You should reflect on the hyperspace embedded in a quadrilateral time differential which gives rise to gravity.

DeepSight:
PS: Where have you been?

I'm ominpresent.

A001:
My area of specialization is Theoretical Physics, especially in Astrophysics/Cosmology.

This thread sheds more light on the other questions: https://www.nairaland.com/6690123/all-science-key-facts-researches

That thread does not indicate that you're a Physicist or that you possess any expertise in Theoretical Physics, Astrophysics, or Cosmology.
The thread is filled with memes and articles from popular science magazines. Sorry, just expect more from a Theoretical Physicist.
Where do you do your research?
Which universities are you associated with?
Have you published any papers?
Can you post some of your equations and what they prove?
Are you leaning toward Quantum Loop Theory or String Theory? Why?
Do you do this Theoretical Physics in Nigeria?

A001:
I don't have the luxury of time to talk much about this. Sorry. I've a lot at hand at the moment.
Yes, multiverse is the right word. But it's not the exact term. I don't want to discuss these things further because of time constraints.
Physics is broad, and there are lots of research areas (and they keep increasing now and then) in just the field of Theoretical Physics alone without considering the others.
This sort of arguments takes a lot of time, which I can't afford at the moment. Since I'm not selling any ideas to you or anyone here or seeking to convince people, I don't have to go into details about them.

Sure.

A001:
The entities religious people call gods and goddesses are those I regard as the early settlers on this planet or aliens. But I posit God is unknown or unknowable.

You've classified the gods as aliens while holding on to your idea of an unknown or unknowable god. It's similar to Christians who classify other gods as demons while venerating their god as the one true god. So, you are an Ancient Alien theorist as well as a deist. Agnostics say they don't know if there is a god or not while deists say there is a god that is unknowable.

A001:
If I'm to do justice to this question, I should create a separate thread for it and take my time to research well about it so I can give proofs backing my points and assertions. Perhaps I'll do so when I'm less busy.

Sure

A001:
My position (not a scientific fact, at least yet) is that early humans were molded and brought to life by the first settlers on this planet based on oral histories (and documented ones) in various cultures and traditions around the world, and these settlers that colonized Earth designed and programmed the humans primarily as their slaves. That's how religion began. That's why Allah and Yahweh would call their worshippers their slaves in the Qur'an and the Bible respectively

Okay, science fiction is always interesting.

A001:
These theories have their limits and scopes. And when reading scientific papers, words like suggest, can, may, and the likes are crucial so you don't get surprised when new discoveries are made and some theories are either modified or abandoned altogether.
Some aspects in that excerpt are active areas of research in Geology.

All theories have their limits and scope. The point was to illustrate how there is nothing peculiar about human history being an insignificant part of a 4.5 billion year old planet.

A001:
It depends on what you mean by God. God is a philosophical or religious term.
If it means the origin or source of the universe or the first cause, then astrophysicists and cosmologists are interested in that.

No, science is not looking for God. How would they go about investigating a philosiphical or religious term? Science seeks the how while philosophy asks itself why, which some philosophers answer as "God". Then they give the God all the attributes they can think of.

A001:
No, the historical facts about them don't support that notion that they're mere characters.
You can't tell me as a Yoruba man that gods like Orunmila, Oduduwa, and Ogun are mere characters in a story or fable when I know the history of these gods (as they're called by their worshippers) and how they existed as humans in their time and were deified.

It's not either or. Some will definitely be historical characters while some will be fiction. The supernatural aspects are nothing but embellishments for one reason or the other. Take Emperor Flavius Vespasian of the Roman Empire. After defeating the jews he went back to Rome to take over the empire. According to Seutonius, on his way back he stopped in Alexandria, Egypt, and went to the Temple of Serapis Christus. During his visit, he was approached by a lame man and a blind man who said Serapis sent them to Vespasian to be healed. Lo and behold, they were healed. Do you really think the Roman Emperor healed anybody thereby showing himself to be divine like Julius Caesar or do you think it is an embellished tale?
Sure some humans were deified in the past, but the gods they were being syncretized with would be the various personification of nature that formed the people's spiritual beliefs. e.g. the Egyptian God-Kings being the personification of Amun.

A001:
In many parts of the world, the first human to speak a language naturally in a place (all the languages in the world today came naturally with some humans in the past), the first person to build a house with a brick, the person that established a place, the first person to forge a sword with a metal in a place, and many other firsts, or heroic/memorable acts were deified as gods and goddesses by their people.
That's real history, not a mere claim.

No, it's a claim like most of everything you've said. Language doesn't even develop the way you claim. It would have evolved slowly as new words and expression take root amongst a group. Same with most other things you claim.

A001:
But while past humans or religious people call(ed) these entities gods and goddesses, I prefer the term higher beings because some humans are more gifted by nature than others.

I prefer Aliens because that clarifies what you're claiming. Were these Aliens humans?

A001:
It's a matter of intellect to decide to call a gifted person a god and worship him/her or just respect the person as a human like yourself.
But when a person (the early humans) is molded by another, then he/she will naturally act based on the purpose behind their design. That, as far as I'm concerned, is the origin of religion.

Okay.

waldigit:
Funny guy, I have read that before. It was a dry argument from fear of the unknown. Less than a page skeptism should not be enough to convince a bright mind like you. Do your due diligence. Vortex maths has been applied to zero point energy technology and it works. Go read about Rodin coil and Gerald generator. I have developed a star Rodin coil myself and I found out the truth.
So it's beyond realm of theories, it has been applied.

Unfunny guy, who is fearing the unknown. Someone wrote numbers around a circle and drew lines connecting them and you’re impressed. No need to read about no Rodin Coil and Gerald generator. I guess those are to generate “free energy”. What silly truth?

If you had done your due diligence you would have found this from the same page, which shows that the divine number is 2,4,8 not 3,6,9 and it also has pretty shapes. Einstein.

https://www.theproblemsite.com/vortex/

waldigit:
Quite an attempt, learn more here:

Try some skepticism here.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Vortex-based_math

DeepSight:
I gave reasons for what I stated was obvious. Its obvious that there exists a timeline beyond the universe because the very big bang itself is an event and events can only occur in an timeline. Its obvious that there exists space beyond the universe because the universe is expanding. What could it be expanding into, if not already existent space?

Change is what gives rise to time. Time is an emergent property of a changing universe and not a vacuum where things happen like you seem to think it is. Time is not uniform as explained by relativity and put to practical use in the creation of satellites and the likes. The rate of change that gives rise to time depends on mass and speed. The movie Interstellar sheds a lot of light on how time works.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqKa6qyVYgg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svwWKi9sSAA

DeepSight:
Lets be categorical and honest, its not just counterintuitive, its illogical. If a thing expands, there must be some space into which it is expanding.

PS: There cannot be any "current understanding" to the effect that the universe is not expanding into anything especially as no one has either been, or observed outside the universe, nor has anyone conducted any experiment or locked down any theory which shows just that conclusively.

Once upon a time the thought of people living at the antipodes made some people laugh because their understanding of gravity was crude. No matter how counterintuitive and illogical you find it, it does not mean its untrue. What's the direction of up in space? Is "up" the same direction at the north pole and the south pole?

Human language is limited compared to the complexity of the universe and our need to describe it. The paucity of human language is one of the reasons people assume physical laws are like human laws and it's why it's' difficult to fathom this "expansion".

A001:
The difference depends on a person's religious views.

I'm asking you specifically

A001:
Our ancestors are higher beings being our progenitors.

How further back in time does one have to go to identify these progenitors?

A001:
Also, I hold the notions that life on earth is both due to intelligent design and evolution, though evolution is the established concept in science as of now, and that early humans (our forefathers) were molded by these first settlers on this planet long, long in the ancient past as stated in oral histories in almost all cultures of the world.

Okay, clear enough.

A001:
(Though those first settlers are deified and worshipped as a god, a goddess, or God in these cultures.)

So these settlers molded the first humans who then deified and worshipped them. Where did these humans get the idea of deification? In order to worship them as "gods", these people had to have a concept of "god". No?

A001:
The Earth is at least 4.5 billion years old, yet recorded histories only account for less than 5% of that time.

The earth been 4.5 billion years doesn't mean recorded histories should cover a significant amount of that period or that snetient beings capable of making records would have existed for a significant amount of time. 4.5 billion years doesn't mean that the earth was habitable during all those times. According to geologists, there was time when the world did not have the oxygen that our form of life depends on.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Oxidation_Event

The Great Oxidation Event (GOE), also called the Great Oxygenation Event, the Oxygen Catastrophe, and the Oxygen Crisis, was a time interval when the Earth's atmosphere and the shallow ocean first experienced a rise in the amount of oxygen. This occurred approximately 2.4–2.0 Ga (billion years ago), during the Paleoproterozoic era.[2] Geological, isotopic, and chemical evidence suggests that biologically-produced molecular oxygen (dioxygen, O2) started to accumulate in Earth's atmosphere and changed it from a weakly reducing atmosphere practically free of oxygen into an oxidizing atmosphere containing abundant oxygen.[3]

The sudden injection of toxic oxygen into an anaerobic biosphere doubtless caused the extinction of many existing anaerobic species on Earth.[4] Although the event is inferred to have constituted a mass extinction,[5] due in part to the great difficulty in surveying microscopic species' abundances, and in part to the extreme age of fossil remains from that time, the Oxygen Catastrophe is typically not counted among conventional lists of "great extinctions", which are implicitly limited to the Phanerozoic eon.

The event is inferred to have been caused by cyanobacteria producing the oxygen, which stored enough chemical energy[6] to enable the subsequent development of multicellular life-forms.[7]

A001:
I posit most historical details about life on Earth are lost and unknown, and we only know few aspects of them.

There's nothing farfetched about that. Even human history is mostly unknown.

A001:
Space.

Space is unfathomably huge. Can you be more specific?

A001:
I don't believe in or worship a god, goddess or God and find the agnostic position about God convenient due to the limited scientific understanding of the universe at this period, but the atheistic position doesn't make much sense to me, and it looks too simplistic.

The concept of God has never depended on a scientific understanding of the universe so why does your agnosticism depend on it. Science is not looking for anything called God so what does it have to do with the atheistic position?

A001:
What I believe in is myself.

What do you mean?

A001:
Then, that these gods are deified humans or beings is even glaring when one considers their human-like traits in religious texts.

Have you considered the fact that these religious texts may be similar to Hollywood scripts i.e. the mere creations of the writers, and that these gods are just characters in a story and not even deified people.

A001:
I'm a physicist and use my observations primarily to understand the world I live in. With such an understanding, I could make discoveries in the near future.

Everyone makes observations to understand the world and science goes further than mere observation. What branch of physics is your expertise? Can you enlighten us with a couple of your favorite physics equations and put them in layman's terms?

A001:
It's not something I count. People that have had lucid dreams or OBEs would understand.

I have had lucid dreams but I don't understand. Dreams are just activities of a functioning braining similar to thinking, except one happens when you're asleep and is mostly uncontrollable. In the same vein, OBEs are activities of a malfunctioning brain.
Also, you mentioned that these "realms" are independent of each other, so how would a lucid dreamer and OBE experience these realms that are independent of the physcial realm where the dreaming/OBE is taking place?

A001:
It will be seen objectively the way microbiologists view microorganisms objectively.

That's not saying much though because microorganisms exist in this world.

A001:
Yes. By realms of existence, I mean other worlds or universes.

So, there could exist a multiverse. Why don't you say that instead of realms and worlds?

A001:
Read about the many-worlds interpretation (MWI) of quantum mechanics in the link below (summarized in the photo below):
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/qm-manyworlds/

I read parts of it and skimmed through the rest, but I don't see anything supporting what you claim.
e.g.
The MWI consists of two parts:

A theory which yields the time evolution of the quantum state of the (single) Universe.
A prescription which sets up a correspondence between the quantum state of the Universe and our experiences.
Part (i) states that the ontology of the universe is a quantum state, which evolves according to the Schrödinger equation or its relativistic generalization. It is a rigorous mathematical theory and is not problematic philosophically. Part (ii) involves “our experiences” which do not have a rigorous definition. An additional difficulty in setting up (ii) follows from the fact that human languages were developed at a time when people did not suspect the existence of parallel worlds.

The mathematical part of the MWI, (i), yields less than mathematical parts of some other theories such as Bohmian mechanics. The Schrödinger equation itself does not explain why we experience definite results in quantum measurements. In contrast, in Bohmian mechanics the mathematical part yields almost everything, and the analog of (ii) is very simple: it is the postulate according to which only the “Bohmian positions” (and not the quantum wave) correspond to our experience. The Bohmian positions of all particles yield the familiar picture of the (single) world we are aware of. The simplicity of part (ii) of Bohmian mechanics comes at the price of adding problematic physical features to part (i), e.g., the nonlocal dynamics of Bohmian trajectories.

A001:
Many physicists around the world think other universes or another universe or realm might exist in addition to this universe, and some physicist assert other universes or another universe or realm of existence does exist.

Do you mean Theoretical Physicists because the works you keep citing are not the province of regular Physicists.

A001:
No need to go into this aspect. It's not necessary.

Why not go into it when you introduced the microscopic world to support your claims?

A001:
I refer to the entities religious people call gods and goddesses and worship ignorantly as God as higher beings or early/past beings or early settlers on this planet or ancestors of early humans (our forefathers) in different parts of the world.

As stated before, my approach to anything called God is agnostic.

What is the difference between gods, goddesses, Gods, and God?

What makes all these deities higher beings?

Settlers imlies they came from elsewhere. Where did they come from?

You've redefined this past Gods as "higher beings" that existed, so how are you agnostic?
It seems you've created your own idea of "God" while simultaneously claiming agnosticism about its existence.

A001:
I don't know how you think you can change my mind about what I've seen with my two eyes a number of times (that there are other realms in existence apart from the physical realm) with even theoretical backing in science (yes, theoretical at this stage, not practical).

If you've seen these realms, shouldn't you make some observations that you can relay to the scientists so that the theoretical becomes practical?

A001:
I know there would have been myopic people like you in the past centuries that scoffed at the few enlightened people in that era that predicted scientists would design an instrument some day to peer into the microbial realm or world (which is still a part of our world, the physical realm) when most people thought diseases were caused by demons.

How many realms are there according to what you've seen?

A001:
In the future, scientists would also design a device that can see things (beings, entities, etc.) in other realms of existence.

We they see it like they see the microbial realm or the way you've seen it?

A001:
Only someone who doesn't know much about Physics would say it as a matter of fact that ours is the only realm in existence.

Does Physics include theories or laws about "realms of existence"? Even the "many worlds interpretation" of Theoretical Physics doesn't talk about "realms of existence".

A001:
In any space around, there are multiple (even possibly infinite) realms of existence, existing independently of each other.

What do you mean?

A001:
It's even laughable to make such an assertion that ours is the only realm of existence when oceans of mysteries in the universe still lie undiscovered by scientists.

Do you mean beings that would make us look microscopic exist in other "realms" in this "physical realm"?

LordReed:
Einstein subscribed to Spinoza's philosophy which can be summarised as the universe is god because the universe is all there is.

The truth of the matter is that “Spinoza’s God” is the God of Moses, The God of the Magis, and it is all of the trinities. They are all talking about “the heavens”.

Kobojunkie:
You need to pay close attention!..

What I tell you of Christianity is not which was put together in the doctrines and traditions of the Romans and Constantine cooked up but instead what is recorded in the Greek texts.

Now, according to Jesus Christ, marriage is between a man and a woman... obviously children are not considered for marriage is you follow that law. I gave you a scripture reference to look up on that, didn't I? .

Why are you always disparaging the “doctrines and traditions” of men while venerating the Bible?
Isn’t it men who wrote, edited, and compiled, and edited, and edited, and edited….……the bible?

http://www.ntcanon.org/Carthage.canon.shtml
The Canon approved by the third Synod of Carthage (397 CE)

The first council that accepted the present New Testament canon was the Synod of Hippo Regius in North Africa (393 CE); however, the acts of the council are lost. A brief summary of the acts was read at and accepted by the third Synod of Carthage.

Canon 24. Besides the canonical Scriptures, nothing shall be read in church under the name of divine Scriptures. Moreover, the canonical Scriptures are these: [then follows a list of Old Testament books]. The [books of the] New Testament: the Gospels, four books; the Acts of the Apostles, one book; the Epistles of Paul, thirteen; of the same to the Hebrews; one Epistle; of Peter, two; of John, apostle, three; of James, one; of Jude, one; the Revelation of John. Concerning the confirmation of this canon, the transmarine Church shall be consulted. On the anniversaries of martyrs, their acts shall also be read.
Note that Hebrews is listed separately from the other 13 epistles.
According to Zahn, in 419 another Synod held at Carthage gave the concluding words in the following form:

... Fourteen Epistles of Paul ..... the Revelation of John, one book. Let this be sent to our brother and fellow-bishop, Boniface [of Rome], and to the other bishops of those parts, that they may confirm this canon, for these are the things that we have received from our fathers to be read in church.

Level1guy:
I am not joking.

Neither am I.

KnownUnknown:
I am like you.
To confirm that you are among the initiated, tell me what I am doing at the moment.

After that, meet me in the spirit realm tonight.

Level1guy:
I




Is there someone who is like me? Is there someone who understands what this is? What is going on? Who am I? I need someone who understands this. Please


Lalasticlala

I am like you.
To confirm that you are among the initiated, tell me what I am doing at the moment.

After that, meet me in the spirit realm tonight.

HardMirror:
I dont need to have the book. I have told you this over and over again. I see you are all out to give people the perception that you nonsense book is special, you want people to think they are missing out. Have you not shared the core contents of the book here already? Or you think I dont read otems posts. Your writings are just good story telling and that is were it ends. You have nothing to offer that adds anything to anyone's quality of life.

Lmao. I found a website where otems writings were laughed at and viewed as symptom of some mental illness. But on nairaland, he is almost a sage to some.

You take a spoonful of food, you spit it out because of its rotten state but the demented lot want you to eat the whole plate. That’s Otem’s writings in a nutshell.

A001:
This confused, jobless mofo that used to follow me from one thread to the other to make a fool of himself in public has resumed his folly.

Of course, I'm not a physicist, just like Prof. Brian Greene and many physicists that tout these ideas as shown in the links below:

https://www.space.com/32728-parallel-universes.html

https://www.npr.org/2011/01/24/132932268/a-physicist-explains-why-parallel-universes-may-exist

It's better to ignore some nonsensical posts here.

I understand your ray of light soul is disturbed.
Your waves, frequencies, and energies are discombobulated. You need to go recharge by taping into the frequency of the higher beings and perambulating through their oscillations.

Mr. Physicist who described a single photon as “ray of light”.

Let me go admire my Nobel Prize.

HardMirror:
insightful? Lol. Humans love good stories, we cant just help it. Lol.

Lol. People do like to be deceived.

I had to go check the dictionary for the meaning of insightful because I don’t understand how that new age bullshit was insightful. “Frequencies, energies, waves, photon souls” . If A001 is a “physicist”, I am a Nobel prize winner in astrophysics.

Everyone should at least watch the summary of energy from the 2:50 mark from someone who knows what he’s talking about. Also watch from the 23:50 mark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQTWor_2nu4

sonmvayina:
No..

They added to make it sellable to you.

On a careful study, will clearly show they are hostile to each other. I can give you 3 differences...

They can’t sell me anything because I don’t buy nonsense like you. Regardless, what they are selling is very well supported by the Jewish fables you love.

Don’t bother giving me anything because all you have is worthless.

sonmvayina:
Lol...since our only rextbook here is the Bible. I am clearly showing why the new testament does not follow from the Jewish scriptures and the fact that they are hostile to one another. The jews owns the tanakh while the Christians owns the new testament...

Two different ideologies...

The New Testament follows from the Jewish Scriptures, that’s why the Christians added it to the Jewish scriptures.

sonmvayina:
Christians believe that one needs a blood sacrifice for the forgiveness of sin and that one who does not have a blood sacrifice will die in their sins and go to hell. For Christians, the ultimate and only blood sacrifice that counts with God came in the death of Jesus. Christianity believes that if one does not accept the death of Jesus as one’s blood sacrifice, then one is condemned to an eternity enduring the punishments of hell.

In Judaism the centrality of the animal sacrifices ceased, not with the second destruction of the Temple by the Romans, but rather with the first destruction of the Temple by the Babylonians. One must keep in mind that the vast majority of Jews never returned to the Promised Land under Cyrus of Persia. They remained in Babylonia. By the time Jesus was said to have been born, eighty percent of the world’s Jewish community lived outside the Promised Land, and did not care about the cessation of animal sacrifices. When the Temple was reestablished, the Jews of Babylonia made an annual financial gift for the maintenance of the Temple and the land, but never worried that God would not forgive them their sins without a blood sacrifice (much as Jews all over the world do today). They had no such fear because the Bible makes it explicitly clear that no blood sacrifice is necessary for the forgiveness of sins. The Bible also makes it clear that an animal sacrifice is not the exclusive means of obtaining forgiveness.

The slave of the Jews. How’s your Jewish landlord?

tsinzu:
Go and read the history of America, The founding founders were devout christians and they founded it on christian principles.

America wasn’t founded on Christian principles. And what are these so called Christian principles?!!! A significant amount of Christians in America are hateful, ignorant, and plain stupid. Every societal advancement has been, and is, opposed by them. Christian principles as far as I’m concerned are hate and ignorance.
The fact that Christians see their own religion as good and loving is a pathetic joke that has been recognized over the years. The descriptions of their god, doctrines, and dogmas signify hatefulness but somehow they pretend that they are good. Hilarious

https://www.britannica.com/topic/The-Founding-Fathers-Deism-and-Christianity-1272214

But the widespread existence in 18th-century America of a school of religious thought called Deism complicates the actual beliefs of the Founders. Drawing from the scientific and philosophical work of such figures as Jean-Jacques Rousseau, Isaac Newton, and John Locke, Deists argued that human experience and rationality—rather than religious dogma and mystery—determine the validity of human beliefs. In his widely read The Age of Reason, Thomas Paine, the principal American exponent of Deism, called Christianity “a fable.” Paine, the protégé of Benjamin Franklin, denied “that the Almighty ever did communicate anything to man, by…speech,…language, or…vision.” Postulating a distant deity whom he called “Nature’s God” (a term also used in the Declaration of Independence), Paine declared in a “profession of faith”:

I believe in one God, and no more; and I hope for happiness beyond this life. I believe in the equality of man; and I believe that religious duties consist in doing justice, loving mercy, and in endeavoring to make our fellow-creatures happy.

tsinzu:
Your quote about many americans being atheist is a more modern development. The truth is that historically, America was founded and built on Christian principles. Most of Europe and the US were historically christian nations. They became great and powerful nations while they were very much christian nations. Time changes and so do people, if modern Europe and US is more atheistic, that doesn't change their christian history.

America wasn’t founded on Christian principles.
America and Europe became great because they stole wealth from other places or their own people and used it to develop their countries. After acquiring the wealth, It was reason and rationality that enabled the development of their countries not ancient Jewish superstitions and fables.

The5DME:
Religion, in it's present form is a scam. Because it's been hijacked by "men when sabi" to enrich themselves.

It has always been a scam. The difference between now and then is that the scam was supposed to unify society under one agenda and ruler, now it is used by few to enrich themselves and by most to resolve their existential angst. Funny thing is that, the religion contributes to their existential angst.

Plantiff:
Christianity, as we know today, is a Roman (Italian) concept.

Very true. Not surprisingly, most never question how a jewish god ended up with Italian mouthpieces or how the “vicar on earth” of a jewish god has mostly been Italian or some other European. Truth is, the Europeans by way of the Romans hijacked the Jewish god and made it into a supernatural white man. Don’t believe me, just look at the roof of their Sistine chapel and try to argue otherwise. Look at all the imagery they use. Look at their history and who they referred to as the “enemies of Christ” in their Dum Diversas.

Plantiff:
Jews (those who make up Israel) killed the Founder and pursued his disciples who left for Rome.

Jews did not kill anyone. The Jews killed Jesus thing is just antisemitism of the Romans and later Europeans. The scriptures were doctored to make Jews the antagonists because the Romans were in a struggle with Jews over Roman Hegemony.

Plantiff:
When they arrived Rome, they were further persecuted by the Roman emperors they met until one emperor admired the idea of Christianity which was still a startup because of the "resilience and brotherhood" of early Christians.

They never went to Rome and Christianity did not start in Rome. Modern day Turkey is where the religion was ironed out. It didn’t get to Rome until later and “Peter the first pope” is a lie spread by the Roman Catholics. Constantine did not admire them because of “resilience and brotherhood”. He adopted it because his mother referred him to a christian priest called Sylvester in order to get absolution for his moral deviancy. Constantine went to this Christian priest named Sylvester after being rejected by his regular pagan priest by the name of Sopater, who basically inferred that Constantine was too morally corrupt for absolution. Talking about Constantine’s mother, she was good at finding things. In order to solidify the new state religion, they decided to create holy sites for the ignorant rabble to visit. So Constantine’s mother “found” the empty tomb, the true cross, and also selected the village that became Nazareth.

Plantiff:
He adopted it as a State church and enforced it on the rest of Europe and as far as he could.

The evolution of Christianity and spread in Europe was not accomplished by one emperor or pope. It was spread and changed over time. While Constantine made them the state religion in the early 4th century, they didn’t attain significant power until they got Theodosius to ban other pagan religions in 380. The christians then went on a rapine and murderous spree over the properties of the other pagan cults.

Plantiff:
The only reason we ascribed to Israel is became of the Old Testament.

The only reason the Romans saw it fit to adopt the Old Testament is to support the new. Eclectic Jewish philosophers, including Paul, created those New Testament scriptures and the incarnation of the Sun God (Jesus) is based on certain ideas in the Old Testament.

Yes.

My favorite part of the scam is the Bible. Christians quote the book, call it the word of god, and hilariously act as if it some sacred gift from their god.
I just wonder how their god didn’t see it fit for his people to read widely until the printing press was invented and literacy increased from the 16th century onwards.

Same goes for the Arabs and their animalistic nonsense, the Hindus with the castes, and every other jackass claiming revelation from some shit called gods.