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Workch:
In case you don't know, the concept of a deistic god is the ultimate goal shifting in theism. You will never solve the puzzle, the smartest people in history have not, talk less of a lousy atheist like you.

The more you try to solve it, the more complicated it becomes because there's absolutely no property to test hence it so widely open. Even if you find evidence that the singularity created itself, deism will still have where to shift the post. It's why science doesn't even bother solving it.

Stop doing as if you know everything.

I don’t know everything but I do know what you wrote is utter bullshit.

Workch:
KnownUnknown, I'm sure you now realize why science is agnostic.

You can never find evidence against a deistic god, it's impossible. It's why science does even try addressing it.

But lousy atheists like you on nairaland think that you reach a conclusion on such matter even when you don't the properties of the god in question.

I pity you, I swear 😂😂😂

😂😂😂

Workch:
You cannot dismiss it until you provide evidence against it. 😂😂

😂😂

Workch:
If you demonstrate "deistic god does not exist" with an experiment, I will change my mind.

I don't want a crying baby here. If you can't demonstrate it then it's remains a possibility until someone more scientific than you are does it.

I kinda see you like a theist now, its how I feel. That sense of hopelessness from their inability to substantially demonstrate their ideologies with evidence 😂😂

Sorry o

Lol

Workch:
Now you are sounding like theists when they say "God exist because everything exist"

You guys are the same thing. When you get a superior argument, you make shit up.

Laviosier didn't believe the phlogiston hypothesis of fire. He didn't go about fighting people and insulting them like a loser, he got to work and disprove it with evidence by discovering oxygen.

Dude, that's what you should do, stop wailing like a loser 😂

Atheism is not scientific, it's not.

You really are a confused agnostic. How does it feel to wrestle against strawmen?

“Atheism is not scientific”. No shit!

Workch:
Redshift was demonstrated with an experiment.

It's what I expect you to do. Bring an experiment to disprove a deistic god and stop being a serial loser 😂

Exactly!! The redshift demonstrated with experiment that your deistic god is bullshit!

Workch:
If you know, then share your knowledge with evidence.

The same way Edwin Hubble mismissed Albert Einstein with Redshift.

If not, how did you know?

I know because of the redshift. What a coincidence!!

Workch:
You will never get a science lesson with the way you reason close-mindedly. Youf kind of reasoning cannot make a good scientist.
Someone who reaches a conclusion before evidence surfaces. Hunour me more 😂

Your kind of reasoning, if applied to science with create multiple bis results.
Where or not you like "a deistic god does not exist" is still a hypothesis. There's no single atom of fact backing this

Lol. Ok, now go find evidence to belief/disbelief warmholes.

Workch:
If you know, then share your knowledge with evidence.

The same way Edwin Hubble mismissed Albert Einstein with Redshift.

If not, how did you know?

Evidence? Look in the mirror. The nonsense you spew is my evidence. Lol

Workch:
you don't know if a deistic god exis or not. Let it end there and keep your fuccccking mouth shut 😂😂

There's nothing wrong with not know and waiting for more knowledge to make an educated conclusion

I KNOW gods don’t exist and their descriptions are limited to the vocabulary and intellect of the person making the claim. You are Exhibit A.

Workch:
you are just loud and you know nothing.
Making a hell of noise.

Steady state theory hugely preached by Albert Einstein was very believable, until Hubble Edwin discovered Redshift in 1912. Everyone was amazed, it was unbelievable until he provided evidence that stars moved accelerated away from us and the steady state theory which Albert Einstein himself was a strong proponent of was dismissed.


You have to be humble, don't think that you know too much. Whenever you don't know, keep your fucccccking mouth shut 😊

If I wanted science lessons, I know where to go. Your agnosticism has nothing to do with science so I don’t know why you keep talking about science. Your “deistic god” doesn’t have anything to do with science either.

I don’t know much but what I know would be an ocean compared to your puddle.

Workch:
you don't know anything about science, I can show you many scientific hypothesis that were disproven with evidence against. You are bragging and making noise like an empty barrel 😂

Nothing is certain in science until evidence for or against exist.

Even Albeit Einstein himself got disproven many times with evidence against.

Warmholes might seem probable to a closeminded person like you, but people are working hard to either find evidence for it or against it. It's not certain for either of them

Wormhole! Mr Science, Wormhole! A warmhole is what’s between your madre’s legs.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wormhole

Workch:
So what research have you done to reach a conclusion that a deistic god does not exist.

I don’t need to do a research to dismiss your baseless claim.

Workch:
I can simply browse the internet, look for the headquarters 9f Toyota to disprove that person. If he continues arguing, I could fly him to Japan to see for himself.

Your stupid analogy already fell flat.
FYI

https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Automobiles/Toyota-and-Honda-to-ramp-up-China-plants-to-make-up-lost-output#:~:text=Toyota%2C%20which%20has%20four%20assembly,the%20same%20month%20last%20year.

Japanese auto companies will accelerate production in China from May as the country recovers from the coronavirus pandemic earlier than other parts of the world.

Workch:
But in the topic of deistic god, you have researched anything. There's no evidence against anywhere, you are making noise and claiming a ridiculous conclusion 🤣🤣

You are really fucking stupid!! Lol
Is a claim about where Toyota is made similar to a claim about a supernatural entity?!

Workch:
I will be schooling you bit by bit.

Lmao

Workch:
Someone makes a claim that a warmhole exist, it's a claim. Nobody is saying "no I don't believe it" in science. Every astrophysicist is either working to find evidence for it or against it. Until either of it surfaces, it will be stupid to say that you don't believe in warmholes.

The possibility of “wormholes” is a hypothesis is astrophysics. Science doesn’t involve your muddled “I don’t believe it” nonsense so leave wormholes out of the discussion. No one is looking for “evidence for or against it” neither.

Workch:
it's simple my dear friend:

As simple as you?

Workch:
Someone makes a claim that Toyota is made in China, if I don't know about Toyota, I cannot believe or disbelieve it.

Horrible analogy aside, the first thing you ask for in that situation is “what is Toyota”? Then you find out where Toyota is manufactured. There is no need to bring you stupid “belief/disbelief” dichotomy into the situation. All you have to do is find out if Toyota has a manufacturing plant in China or not.

Workch:
If you disagree with the person, then you have to find evidence to show the person that Toyota cars are made in Japan.

I don’t have to agree or disagree with the person. It’s a simple question of research. There is no extraordinary claim being made to dismiss summarily. It’s just a statement about where Toyota is made which could be China or Texas or Japan.

Workch:
It will be very unwise to say that you don't know where Toyota cars are made but you don't believe it's made in China. It's a close minded reasoning

It would be senseless to say “I don't know where Toyota cars are made but I don't believe it's made in China. ”

If I tell you Mercedes is “made” in Alabama you don’t have to belief, disbelief, or disagree with me. All you have to do is look up whether Mercedes makes cars in Alabama or not and then you would know.

Workch:
😂😂😂

E pain am 😅

Lol, that’s what you are reduced to? “E pain am”!!

Workch:
Don't you think that your inability to demonstrate your conclusions with facts and evidence is why you are going crazy? 😂

That would be you and your “deistic god” that you are looking for “evidence against”. Lol

Maynman:
You are the one that is frustrated, anyone that calls out your own bullshit is an “atheist”, you have no backup after that.

The stupid muthafucker read some shit on Quora and decided that the confused agnostic is somehow “enlightened”.

Workch:
don't you think that it's a sign of frustration?
Ad hominem is not evidence, at least and average atheist knows this.

No, it’s a sign of mirth. Ad hominems are often accurate. Are you sure the “average atheist” knows this? You aren’t agnostic about it? Lol

Maynman:
This thing is a creator abi, and it created the universe, its just unknown 😂😂

It’s a thing that created the something that did the other thing.

Workch:
You should be mad with yourself, because you don't know anything about a thing but you are reaching a conclusion on it.
That's mad bro 😂

I know that’s it bullshit. and I’ve concluded that your are stupid.

Workch:
and the insults keeps coming 🤣🤣🤣

Oh, they will never stop

Workch:
At the end of the day, you have not been able to provide an evidence against a deistic god and that's kinda getting you mad 😂

Lmao, why would I get mad about that? Are you mad because you can’t provide “evidence against” The Dragon?

What kind of irrational thinking makes one make a claim then ask someone else to provide “evidence against”’ it? Wtf?

Workch:
lol, I love triggering atheists a lot and see them become frustrated just like theists.
At the end of thr day, they are both opposite sides of same coin of making a conclusion without sufficient knowledge

slowpoke. I’m not an atheist or theist and definitely not a confused “agnostic” . I KNOW gods are nonsense.

Workch:
Same way I am waiting for evidence for or against aliens is exactly how I am waiting for a deistic god.

Lol, if that’s what you are waiting for, contact the Scientologists. Become a disciple of Tom Cruise. You will fit in and find all the evidence you want because their religion includes an alien that created humanity. They even have spaceships in their “scripture”. Kill two birds with one stone and find your alien and your god. Lol

You are moronic. Lmao. Gods and aliens!

Workch:
Again, insults are not evidence for or against. Stop being triggered.

Same way I am waiting for evidence for or against is exactly how I am waiting for a deistic god.
Since you cannot provide any evidence against it, please stop crying and insulting me.

I’m laughing and won’t stop insulting you because your beliefs are hilarious.

You seem to be crying because you cannot provide evidence against The Dragon. Forget about your “deistic god” and focus on The Dragon. Lol

Workch:
Harsh words are not evidence against a deistic creator.
You won't change my mind if you cannot demonstrate with practical experiment how a deistic god cannot exist

Lol, your position is stupid and these harsh words are not meant to be “evidence” of anything but abject dismissal of your claim.

You make the extraordinary claim so the ball is in your court regarding the “practical experiment” to show that your “deistic god” is not bullshit.

Where is your “practical experiment” to demonstrate how The Dragon cannot exist? Lmao

Workch:
How does your own version of a creator provide me with an evidence for or against a creator?

You don't get it at all.

There's no evidence for or against a deistic creator. It's why I don't believe or disbelieve, it doesn't matter if this deistic creator is your dragon, my alien or a leprechaun.
If you want me to believe it, bring evidence. if you don't believe it bring an evidence against it.

I don’t want you to believe it or disbelieve it. I want you to see that it’s as nonsensical as your “deistic creator”. There is nothing to “believe” or “disbelieve”. I know your deistic creator is bullshit. It’s not a belief. I know for a fact it’s bullshit just like I know for a fact that the one eyed monster under your bed is bullshit. Fiction is fiction whether you call it “deistic creator” or “dragon creator”.

The only difference between the monster and your deistic creator is that the monster lives under your bed while the deistic creator lives outside the universe. Lol

Workch:
How does your own version of a creator provide me with an evidence for or against a creator?

It provides the umpteenth evidence that anyone can say make shit up about supernatural and claiming agnosticism about obvious bullshit is a valid position.

triplechoice:
Good if you believe so, but please take it to those whose position you're opposed to ,not me.[/quote


You should realise that your atheism is founded on the god claims of the two popular abrahamic religion, and you're ignorantly using that to generalise about others you're too lazy to investigate.

I’m not an atheist. The abrahamic gods are as ridiculous and fictional as the other gods from every other culture. That is not a statement of “belief” but what I know.

triplechoice:
What is refer to as God or 'creator is not the same for every religion out there

At the organizational or individual level “god or creator” is baseless nonsense.

triplechoice:
For instance, for some, it's the universe itself or the different forms of energy that exist , ,meaning that, there's no external entity that has created anything.

That’s more bullshit. The universe is not god nor are the “different forms of energy that exist” god. Redefining things as god is just more nonsense.

triplechoice:
If you happen to meet with those who strongly hold on to such believes, and you try to dismiss them with your alternative dragon god which is not seen,you would be laughed at ,taken to be insane, and advised to seek professional help urgently.

Oh, I expect them to laugh just like I laugh at the nonsense that comes out of their minds. The laughter is the point because it shows just how ridiculous their god is. The Dragon and their gods (sky father, universe, energy, or whateverthefuck) are made from the same substance called bullshit.

triplechoice:
Those ones only 'deify' and reverence what they see and not what is imagined.

“Deify” what they see or their imaginary friend.
Doesn’t matter. Still bullshit.

triplechoice:
There are other god or 'creator' descriptions to talk of ,but the one I just explained is enough to let you see how and your friends have been displaying stubborn ignorance on something you not too well informed on.

Present other gods or “creator” descriptions and I’ll be here to call them bullshit. The arrogant ignorance of you lot is you act as if the bullshit you spew is somehow profound just because you call it “god”. When the same bullshit is called “dragon”, then you start whining.

triplechoice:
Every religion has not accepted and imaginary 'creator' claim that you can dismiss with dragons or the stale flying spaghetti monster talk common amongs some atheist.

Doesn’t matter what they accept when religion itself is based on bullshit. So, Dragons and Flying Spaghetti Monsters are in the same category as all their gods.

triplechoice:
That kind of mockery is a product of lazy thinking, and largely ineffectual to make any theist abandon their believes.

Just rest and stop the clowning

This kind of mockery is the product of a mind that isn’t handicapped by indoctrination, superstition, and ignorance. You inability to educate yourself and rid yourself of obvious nonsense doesn’t make what I say “lazy thinking”.

I’m resting well and i will never stop clowning. Religious beliefs provide too much opportunities for mockery. I don’t care if a theist abandons his beliefs but mockery might just make him keep his shit out of the public sphere.

Workch:
ok, it's great if that's your own version of the story says the dragon created the world.
So how does this give existence against or for a creator? Which is the crux of agnosticism

I don't understand, do you have a comprehension problem?

It doesn’t give evidence for or against a creator because it’s just nonsense I made up, which is akin to the other nonsense you call god. There is nothing different from the claims I make and any other claim about a creator because they are all fabrications. Also, the notion of “creator” is also baseless nonsense and that was already shown when queried about your so called “creator”.

The crux of agnosticism is that whatever extraordinary claim you can’t provide evidence for or against is “unknowable”, therefore you should be agnostic about the Dragon just like you are agnostic about whatever you mean by the “deistic god”.

I do understand you have critical thinking and comprehension problems.

Workch:
What does a dragon got to do with agnosticism?

Is the dragon a creator?

The Dragon created the world.

The Sun is the result of the Dragon’s breath when They thought “This expanse We have created deserves to experience the sensation of existence”.
Then , the Dragon thought, “Let there be an object to provide light and warmth, to nourish the earth and also cause destruction” and They took a deep breath and exhaled such that the Sun emanated from the Dragon and there was light and warmth along with destruction.
The Book of Scales and Fire - Chapter 3:16

The day turned into night, the birds chirped at the sudden darkness, the crickets came to life in a cacophony of clicking sounds. The Dragon’s spirit came down on The Twins and declared them the good and the evil to balance out creation. Then the Expanse opened up and the spirit descended like a seven-headed dragon and a roar was heard in the celestial realms, “These are Our progenies, in whom We are well pleased”
The Book of Brimstones and Sapphires - Chapter 4:19

The fool says in his mind, there is no Dragon.
Psalm 101