₦airaland Forum

chicfarmer:
➜For 77 year old to have to work at 2am in the morning, then something isnt right.

His preference? People work at all hours of the day so what is wrong with a 77-year-old being comfortable working late hours?

midform:
➜The authorities will undoubtedly track them down, prosecute them, and, if found guilty, convict them and send them to prison. Ironically, instead of facing harsh consequences, they’ll end up being sustained by the government—receiving free meals, healthcare, and shelter at taxpayers’ expense. It’s almost as if they’re being rewarded rather than punished. Sometimes, it feels like the prison system in the US treats inmates more like guests than offenders.

Interesting! I am curious. Would you rather that criminals not be served any meals at all or something?

Zocalite:
77yrs uber driver Couldn't he move back to nigeria It's sad

Move back to Nigeria because if this had taken place in Nigeria, his murderers would have been found immediately and justice served, right?

Rilwayne001:
It’s quite unbelievable for a rich man to be doing that kind of a work at 77

Warren Buffet hasn't retired yet, has he?

Bwanasaraw:
RIP legit hustler. Much respect. I wish guns are licenced in Nigeria, Fulani herdsmen and bandits will not be terrorizing the whole nation.

Guns are licensed in Nigeria. That is why your politicians, pastors, imams, Fulani herders, and the rest surround themselves with them while the rest remain ignorant of the fact.

grandstar:
Na only him sabi why he dey drive at 77, despite a pension.

Did you give him pension?

TheChemistrixx:
Na where cum safe like this?

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Bouncingbabyboy:
omo I wonder!!
This na why e good to get your own money find African country melo

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Waterlilly:
dis life nor easy.. no where is safe Na GOD just dey help us

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sumgelem:
It's a pity, America isn't safe anymore. Rip Bolaji.

... Death is sure to happen to you in the end no matter where on this planet you run to. However, you are safest in a place where your death will not be regarded as no better than that of a chicken! The murderers will be arrested, tried, and prosecuted very soon. Can we say the same of the killers or kidnappers of 1000s alone this year in Nigeria?

teekrackz:
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His killers will be found and imprisoned before long. Thankfully! 🤔

vb0mb:
➜Modern woman will not like this.

During what age did women like any of this wicked treatment from their very own fathers?

This is an example of a father who probably had no hand in actually raising that girl he is sending off in marriage like that. Let's hope the girl is at least 1000 times wiser than her own father.

beeblack:
That was then when there was trust and true love. But now nothing is like dat. Psquare separated for one reason or the other. Pastor Christ of Embassy of christ separated from his wife for lack of unity

Lies upon lies upon lies!

sylve11:
The idea that another man has been with a woman is giving me a headache, not to mention the thought of sharing her with someone else.

Those ones na some people ancestors dey that picture. So be sure to include the fact that this was going on during the time of your ancestors, even though you refuse to believe it.

Oh boy! To those unaware, consensus does not turn speculation into fact, just so you know. 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

To this day, the actual time of the writing of the Gospels is said to be unknown, and the name(s) of the authors of the writings also remain unknown.

tollyboy5:
... will just be dropping statement with no backing

. According to your Christian claims, the writers are unknown, so also are the dates, meaning the dates you have are mere speculation. That means what you currently have are not facts but speculations; consensus does not turn speculation into fact, just so you know.

Ihutomi:
This is another evidence the Christian faith is the most accurate than any other

It is all based on lies, and nothing more.

victorazy:
➜How I found little truth on this! Think of this:
➜Peter was crucified upside down cross in Rome and he is the First Pope.
➜Did you know that the sign of cross by Catholics churches is cross upside-down? Check it out. Meaning they are not really worshipping God but Peter (Pope) indirectly.

Not more of the "Consensus based on unknown facts crowd!"🙄🙄🙄🙄

Who told you that Peter was crucified upside down in Rome, and he is the first pope? What is the name of this person? What year did he write you this tale of his? What location did he write this from? ... 🤔

2. Sign of cross my arse? If he was crucified upside down, then it would likely have been an X shaped cross, since historically, Roman crosses have been just that. 🙄🙄🙄

All-you-can-eat buffet!😊😊😊😊😊😊

Diet heavily lacking in protein and associated nutrients.

armyofone:
✓ Maybe he was sick, he was taken to the hospital and he died. Nigeria don't like going into specifics hence they say ," he died after a brief illness.

That, I suspect, is why many of the responders are convinced whatever killed him may have been weight-related. Wetin dem dey hide self?

laivwire:
My goodness
See people bickering about body weight when lifetime worth 50 years of solid memories and impact has just been terminated. Insensitive.
I've known Big Bolaji sice about 2008 and he has always been big. Big people also live long and as a matter of fact look more fit in old age than skinny people but that's beside the point.
May his soul rest in peace and may the Holy Spirit comfort the family in these trying times.

What killed him? What sort of brief illness kills a grown man these days? COVID-19?

I hope the mother does not get to go scott free?

Chilipepper:
Gospel singer, Big Bolaji, passes on at the age of 50 years after a brief illness.

What brief illness? Abeg, make una stop to dey tells us these yeye tales o'jare!

DemonSlayer:
➜Hmmm, this is deep oo. Which one is Israelites-only Scripture? Do you mean the Old Testament or something else? I'm familiar with Jesus' mission to the House of Israel, but I'm also aware that he didn't strictly limit his ministry to this group. He was hanging out with all sorts of people to the point where the Pharisees were accusing him of associating with the gentiles.
➜I actually have a problem with this notion of God playing favourites.
➜ I feel it's Jewish propaganda.
➜ Good thing I asked! I thought it's an exasperated, condescending sigh, like "just I can't with these deluded morons, high on their religious gobbledegook!" Thinking is good.
➜ You're right to a very large extent. I've actually lived that experience since I've done a fair amount of exploring different denominations. I still maintain that while there's a lot of disagreement about several fringe doctrines, for the most part, the majority of denominations in Nigeria, at the most fundamental level, agree that Jesus died to grant believers eternal life.
➜ Very solid points, I've grappled with these myself but 99% gobbledegook is still too wild!
➜ While they've evolved over time, the abrahimic religions share the same root, the Israelite Scripture.
➜ If Christianity, Islam, etc are full of it (BS), what's the alternative?

1. All the people that Jesus Christ was reported to have hung out with— Pharisees, sinners, Jews, Gentiles,... were Israelites...— where all flesh and blood Israelites. I am aware that Christianity's particular interpretation of the term Gentile pointed to non-Israelites, but the fact is, Israelite Scripture does not record them as such. Couple this with the fact that Jesus Christ of Israel did not mince words when He warned His followers against giving that which is Holy to the non-Israelites, aka the dogs. Your supposed recollection of Jesus Christ of Israel having some, what you call ministry outside of the bloodline of Israel was all lies cooked up and fed to you by your religious overlords, as there is no record of any such in Israelite Scripture.

2. The same YHWH who in Exodus formerly took on the title of God of Israel is recorded to have said in that book that He would show favor to whomever He wishes to. Are you insinuating that you do not think He has the right to decide for himself as He chooses?

3. You think it is a Jewish agenda that the entire book was authored by Israelites, and the God in question is called the God of Israel? Is it also a Jewish agenda that the Greek Gods are gods of the Greeks alone?

4.

5. The overarching division that pervades the many sects cannot be reasonably ignored, though.

6. I suspect you still hold out some hope that religion can hold some solution for you is why you reject the evidence right before you, though. It is the same reason why over 5 billion people on the planet, without tangible evidence, continue to hold tight to religion, against logic.

7. None of their roots directly connect with the Laws and teachings of the God of Israel—YHWH—, His Prophets, or to Jesus Christ of Israel, though. The only religion which we learn of its existence in the book is Judaism, which was divided into the sects of the Pharisees and Sadducees at one point. But, we also learn that it was disavowed from before its beginning by the God of Israel, and also by Jesus Christ of Israel, who continued to pronounce curses on all those who would go the way of religion rather than abide concretely by the Law of God.

8. Why religion? Why give men the power to manipulate your life in the first place? That is pretty much what Religion is about at its core.

DemonSlayer:
➜It's much clearer now, thanks. I'm curious, what's the extent of the Bible that you consider "biblical"—pure, unadulterated Scripture? Aren't the so-called "religious gobbledegook" (funny choice of words there ) derived from scriptures?
➜In this case, the atonement of sin through the death of Jesus.
➜ Noted! What does " " mean?
➜Noting the incredibly diverse interpretations and the myriads of denominations is a very good point, Kobo! Thanks for pointing that out. I probably took that for granted because it seems in Nigeria, there's a mainstream Christianity that agrees on some key doctrines, including the one we're exploring in this thread.
➜ I'm curious, though, how did you arrive at the 99.99999% deviation of "religious gobbledegook" from the Bible? I get your point, but that's an extreme exaggeration to the point of being unreasonable.
➜ Lastly, what stance are you arguing from; does it have a name?

1. Nope!

2. Again, the answer is an emphatic No! Jesus Christ of Israel's claim, as recorded in Israelites-only Scripture, is that only individuals born from their mother's womb of the bloodline of Jacob require this supposed atonement of sins and could help obtain it by way of the Covenant, which is the Kingdom of God. The same Jesus Christ of Israel went to state that those who were not born of that bloodline had no capacity to handle that which is Holy... His Covenant.. and hence warned His followers to avoid them where it concerns the details of the Covenant. This all directly conflicts with the religious narratives, all of which mostly insist that all humans require atonement and all qualify for Jesus Christ of Israel's death.

3. thinking emoticon ➜🤔

4. The existence of mainstream Christianity in Nigeria is a perception, though not a reality. You only need to directly interact with some of the members from the many different Christian organizations to realize that they do not consider themselves the same. The competition between the various sects is palpable in some communities. Within the same organization/denomination(complete overarching interpretation of scriptures), you are bound to find several other mini-denominations with their own additional ideas regarding the core interpretations fed to them from the religion's overlord higher up on the organizational hierarchy. RCCG and Deeper Life are two particular organizations/denominations that I am aware operate in this manner. Mainstream Christianity does not exist in Nigeria as far as I know.

4. It sounds extreme, but if you reason it clearly, you will find it isn't.

⚉ Can a book written in plaintext — not alien language or by aliens — really have over 46,000 different interpretations?
⚉ Does any book written by human authors in human language for the direct consumption of humans, no formal education required, require interpreting?
⚉ If the contextual content of a book— author's message — points to logic A, but the reader's particular forced interpretation points away from logic A, do we conclude that the author was wrong and the reader is instead correct?

The God of the Book took on the title God of Israel alone, declaring Israel His only inheritance in the land of men — Humans. Jesus Christ of Israel came declaring His Father, YHWH, God of Israel, sent Him only to the Lost Sheep of Israel(He never went on this declaration). All of the prophets of Israel before and after Jesus Christ of Israel were Israelites. But somehow Religion of Christianity(Islam as well) would have us believe that right after the Roman war against the Jews which lead to complete decimation of Jerusalem, the exile of the Jewish Population from much of the Roman Empire, and the destruction of the nation of Judah by the Romans during the first Century AD, the Romans — non-Israelites — took over the reigns and became the chosen people of this very same God of Israel and His Son, Jesus Christ of Israel.

5. Pointing out the bullsheet that is the religion of Christianity(Islam included).

DemonSlayer:
➜I'm not sure you fully understand the angle I'm coming from, so maybe we should take a step back to broaden the context we're speaking from—just to understand each other better.
➜ First off, I'm trying to understand the format of your replies. I'm assuming the numbered comments are meant to address the arrowed points in the quote in a top-to-bottom fashion. Please confirm if that’s the case, because it feels like some of the responses don’t quite align with the corresponding points.
➜ Secondly, just to summarize my OP: I’m essentially expressing my issue with the idea of the necessity of Jesus’ crucifixion to atone for sin. Even though I do so within the framework of the Christian faith, I’m not personally coming from a religious standpoint, but rather assessing the doctrine itself, respectfully—that's what I'm aiming for, at least.

1. The bulk of what you claim and seem to believe comes not from The Bible but from the many doctrines compiled by the religion of Christianity, a religion whose only connection is. That is what I have been trying to get you to see here. Yes, there was a man called Jesus Christ who happened to be an Israelite(of the Jewish subset), but everything else you claimed in your OP and insist on after that is not biblical but sourced from the various interpretations that belong instead to the religion of Christianity — religious gobbledegook.

2. Yes!

3. The framework of the Christian faith is the same as arguing from a religious standpoint. This is because the doctrines that comprise the religion of Christianity— its over 46000 different denominations/interpretations included— are 99.99999% removed from the actual content of the Bible —Israelite Scripture. Many of the ideas spewed so far by those who argue from within the religion have nothing to do with the original messages intended by the authors of the individual books, let alone the YHWH of Israel or Jesus Christ of Israel, His Son.

DemonSlayer:
➜I get you, even if I don't agree that faith is a prerequisite for understanding. There are many books and many stories, we have the freedom to disagree with the ideas they present, it's often never enough to quote one book to shut up dissenting views.
➜ If guess it’s easier to use reason to dismantle the flaws in other points of view, but when it comes to our own, faith tends to step in as a shield for the incomprehensible. In fact, through faith, you can believe anything—often at the expense of reason—leaving room for gullibility to take root.

1. But none of what you stated in your OP connects back to what is in fact written in any of the books contained in the compendium called The Bible. And yes, I don't believe the religious delusion that is faith is a prerequisite for understanding, but going around spewing religious rhetoric— gobbledegook— does not equally amount to having understanding of the actual content of the book.

2. Reason can only exist where there is understanding. And the ability to reason is one thing religion, or at least subscribing to religious delusions, gradually deprives one of. If your understanding amounts to the same gobbledegook spewed by the religious(they first need their faith delusion to comprehend what is written in the book), then what makes you think your grasp of reason is different or better then theirs?

DemonSlayer:
➜Please enlighten me. Which is this "book of Israelite Scriptures"? I'm not sure I'm familiar with this book, not to mention pretending to quote it. Also, who are these "religious overlords"?
➜I'd rather he lived a full life and died in peace of old age. I wish he had written a book or a couple of them to pass on his own ideas directly, rather than all the hearsay accounts we have.
➜I get you, and I actually tend to agree about the origin of Easter. For whatever historical reasons, it has come to have a strong connection with Jesus for the majority of people who celebrate it, and I speak from this context.

The books compiled into the compendium called your Bible are of Israelite origin, are they not? And those books tell a completely different tale from the one spread about by your many religious overlords, from whom your particular understanding also comes.

2. Did Jesus Christ of Israel complain to you that He had to die early? I mean the guy is literally recorded to have boasted that He alone has the power to give up His own life and take it back up again, and that He gave it up in order to gain the reward that awaits Him after it. So, why do you pretend Jesus Christ of Israel is somehow to be pitied for not living what you regard as full life?

3. There is no such strong connection to Jesus Christ of Israel except that created in the minds of the deluded who would believe such nonsense. The fact remains that there is no direct or indirect connection between Jesus Christ of Israel and your Easter celebrations. It is all in the imaginations of those who wish to hold on to such delusions. And last I checked, delusions are mental issues that mostly have nothing to do with facts.

InDiscov:
➜ Don't listen to ediorts telling you that it's only court marriage certificate that is acceptable anywhere especially abroad and don't ever take your wife abroad if you truly love her; those pôol ish men that rushed to ikoyi and Abuja marriage registry thinking it's the only place that issues marriage certificate that is acceptable in Embassies will cry. Sermons over!

Just imagine the warped sense this one has. He thinks imprisoning a woman in Nigeria means he loves her. And someone go come tell us something like, "The elders get sense and wisdom!" 🙄🙄🙄🙄

DemonSlayer:
➜...And don’t even get me started on the idea of a genuinely good person—someone who actually puts in the effort to be decent and live right—burning in hell forever simply for not believing the right story. That will never make sense to me.
➜All said, I really like Jesus, I think he was a cool fella and I absolutely dig his vibe and it's just sad that he was murdered by the state out of jealousy of a handful of religious leaders.
➜ I think the main Easter message is for people to interrogate the influence of authority, particularly religious authority.

1. All those are false tales fed to you by your religious overlords. None of that is found anywhere in the book of Israelite Scriptures, which you pretend to quote.

2. Would you rather He, Jesus Christ of Israel, lived forever?

3. Nonsense! Easter is a pagan holiday for people to relax, and maybe hang out with friends and family. It has absolutely nothing to do with the person of Jesus Christ of Israel as it has no direct or indirect connection to him except for the ideas fed you by your religious overlords.

Chilipepper:
How did you find out that your friend wasn't really your friend?

This one forgot to tell us whether he had, in the past, bilked the same friend of money and/or trust. I would consider most of these stories as half-truths, as the storytellers forgot to mention how they had in the past helped those very same besties out of situations of similar magnitude or close. 🙄🙄🙄🙄

Alliswell248:
✓ Okay....time will tell. Go and find out from the stuuupid boy called seaking. U must get sense by force... If those at home failed to do this

Oh, what you meant that Adeboye might arrange for his political gangsters to arrest and torture me for stating the facts? All these Yakuza scammers-in-the-lords wey dey rule Nigerians ehn.. na wa! 😩😩😩😩