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Newgoodkk:
If You were Permitted and Granted the Grace to Access and Judge by Standard of the Bible .
By their Fruits We shall Know them .Who Among the Self Acclaimed Men of God would you Say YES , This is a Man of God .
➜Pastor Adeboye
➜Bishop Oyedepo
➜Pastor/ Prophet Iginla
➜Pastor Lazarus Mouka
➜Pastor Paul Adefarasin
➜Pastor Olukoya
➜Pastor W.F Kumuyi
➜Apostle Suleiman
➜Add More ..

Absolutely none of your gods of men meet up with the standard set in that book though.

Jesus Christ of Israel said
➜ He was sent by His Father, YHWH — God of Israel — only to the Lost Sheep of Israel — the bloodline descendants of Jacob
➜ The signs listed in Mark 16 vs 14 - 19 will follow all those who believe in Him
➜ All those who belong to Him will live in complete submission and obedience to His teachings and commandments.
➜ Additionally, in[b] John 14 vs 1 - 7[/b], Jesus Christ of Israel unequivocally relayed to His disciples that those of them who belonged to Him would do all that He did and more — a high bar indeed for any who would come along to claim to His to attain by way of mere propaganda

All of your gods of men combined do not meet up with standards set by Him nor do they have any of the signs He said would follow those who believe in Him. None of the many dead among them were ever able to do what Jesus Christ of Israel was able to accomplish and then some. They are all antichrists— with their mouths and propaganda machines they claim to know Jesus Christ of Israel but with absolutely no tangible proof of any kind to show for it all.

Daejumong:
✓ A 4-man task force committee comprising Pastors Kumuyi,Adeboye, Gbile Akanni and Abel Damina to be set up to sanitise Pentecostal churches in Nigeria. This team will ensure charlatans and imposters would be flushed out of the system.
What do you think of this suggestion we are planning to push to the presidency? Are there names u want included or excluded?

Big Scammers-in-the-lords to flush out the small fry scammers-in-the-lords? Sounds like some sort of hostile take over plan to me. 🤔

AbuTwins:
✓ Not really but shouldn't be missing about 90% of his lifetime. That's absurd!

What rule states that a biography should not be missing this 90% you claim? I mean reference it please so we can get on the same page as you abeg.

AbuTwins:
➜ I love these your excuses! It really show many are educated mumu! If your biography of thirty three years is written like that of Jesus's do you think your life is complete? Your primary school time expunged! Most of your secondary school time expunged! Your higher institution period also expunged! Everyone is free to believe in whatever madness they want o! After all, they worship cows and animals in some countries!

So, without his primary school and secondary school record, and maybe his poop and sleep records, it cannot be considered a biography? Must it include all information such as his sleep and poop schedule to be considered a biography or something?

Nachmonides:
➜Go and rest, you're not wise.

You mean brain-f-cked, right? Look who's talking abeg ! 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

Nachmonides:
➜If you don't read it's fine. In fact, it's absolutely alright. I just had to comment because people who read this thread may see your comment and have doubts as well, so I had to clarify for them.

Posting religious gobbledegook aka meaningless bullsheet delivers people from doubts? Are you OK at all?

Bodydiialect57:
➜No, her opinion wasn't the basis of my belief. Where did l insinuate such from my post?
➜And yes no one tended to the wound.I only tied it up at first to stop the blood flow.

Here is your own assertion.

Bodydiialect57:
➜True. I was once working with a machine when it ran over my thumb giving me a deep cut and blood gushing out. A girl working close by exclaimed that the thumb can never be the same again. I answered her that she lied as she will see the thumb healed and restored. Two weeks down the thumb was restored as if nothing happened.
➜The way God wired our body, positioning every part to function so well even in cases of accidents and emergencies is truly an amazing miracle.

So, the wound wasn't in fact as serious. It was just that you bled a lot from the wound.

GiftofGod77:
➜Yes for with God all things are possible.
➜What is so special about it? Or do you think God cannot use anyone to bring about His wish or will?

Stop lying to me and speak facts.

2. Is that a real question from someone who claims to know Jesus Christ of Israel?

3. Again, do you have all of the signs that Jesus Christ of Israel said would follow all those who belong to Him— that 100% success rate cannot be cloned? Yes or No! Or are you just another fraud who pretends to have what you cannot have like your pastors and other scammers-in-the-lord before you?

GiftofGod77:
➜No it's not true. The sheer number you quoted is a testament of what God has done to save as many who believe in His Way of Salvation.

Rubbish! Again, proof that you are in fact in contact with the same Jesus Christ of Israel written off in the Israelite book would be the signs which He said would follow all those who believe in Him in Mark 16 vs 15-19. None of the over 2.2. billion Christians & Catholics out there can boast of all of those signs. What that means is that all of them lie when they claim they are in contact with Jesus Christ of Israel.

GiftofGod77:
➜Clarity, unity and revelation of God's intent and what He has done. Results...

This all means bullsheet to me. I am asking you for tangible proof. Are you able to heal 100% of the people who come your way like the apostles of Jesus Christ of Israel were able to after the Kingdom of God finally arrived?

GiftofGod77:
➜There is everything wrong in that which is why it is illegal. Which is why such people who abuse drugs don't live long. You are free to make your judgement but the judgment of God surpasses all other ones. I still hold onto the Truth and thank God for this.

Taking drugs is illegal but dying from an overdose is not illegal. It is your life you take, not someone else's. So, again, what you stated makes no sense.

GiftofGod77:
➜haha no formal training of men can interpret these Words.
➜It can only be interpreted by those have access to the Spirit. This is why it is difficult to comprehend what it means without the spirit.

So, you have no formal training, you conveniently ignore the plaintext messages and the context set by the Author of the individual texts and then take it upon yourselves to assert ideas that DIRECTLY contradict the author's original message, all this without the author explicitly stating that an interpretation is even needed in the first place?

2. You lie! It is so much easier to comprehend the text as it is written. It is instead your interpretations that introduce the many confusions and difficulties you complain of. This religion of yours is like creating confusion and then claiming you are the solution to the confusion you created only to then create some more confusion as an explanation and solution.

GiftofGod77:
➜Yes its because the Author who wrote it pours out His Spirit which interprets it (His Words).
➜If you seek Him He will reveal Himself to you and grant you the same Spirit.

So, the spirit belongs to the author? What is the proof that this spirit has revealed himself to you and granted itself to you?

GiftofGod77:
➜No He made it clear which is why there are millions out there who live daily based on His decision and Wisdom to redeem us....

MIllions claiming to live daily based on something do not serve as proof of that thing. Rather, they serve as possible proof that a delusion may be fueling many.

Proof that you are in fact in contact with the same Jesus Christ of Israel written off in the Israelite book would be the signs which He said would follow all those who believe in Him in Mark 16 vs 15-19. None of the over 2.2. billion Christians & Catholics out there can boast of all of those signs. What that means is that all of them lie when they claim they are in contact with Jesus Christ of Israel.

GiftofGod77:
➜Yes bodily autonomy can be wrong. Its why, for example, when people abuse drugs there occurs a reaction which can be fatal.
➜Check my statements vis a viz what He said. I and millions out there live by it.

1. What you just said makes no sense! Someone overdosing on drugs will automatically lead to his death. There is nothing "wrong" about that.

2. You and millions live believing Jesus Christ of Israel and YHWH are both liars. Hooray for you all but that does not change the fact that you are no different from the other billions out there who operate under similar religious delusions.

GiftofGod77:
➜Yes please, because the intent or content of words could be missed. It is trite and proper for the Writer to be the one to interpret the words that he or she or He wrote.
➜Even in law there are different methods of interpreting laws to avoid ambiguity and wrong interpretation which can lead to damnation, confusion and wrong perceptions.

Interesting statement you make! So you admit that the message contained in the text is greatly dependent on the intention and context established by the writer/author. Yet, you insist on applying an idea that completely violates this very same.

2. Interesting claim!

Laws are interpreted by judges using a variety of tools and theories, including the text of the law, legislative history, and the law's purpose. The judicial branch of the government is responsible for interpreting laws.

So, you people— all of you novices without any formal training in the art of interpreting the Law or anything — assert yourselves in the position of judges over texts written by authors who lived thousands of years — the authors NEVER suggested that any interpretation was necessary for their works—before you so that you can assert ideas different from that contained in plaintext in the writings?

Isn't that precisely how confusion and wrong perceptions are created?

GiftofGod77:
The deity you were asking of...believe me He is good at that...

You still have not identified this deity as you had formerly indicated one who never gave the set of rules which you claim you live by. Also, the one you identified made clear that He only interacts with those who are of the bloodline of Jacob. Since you aren't of the bloodline, I can't believe your claims since they contradict what He stated in His Scriptures.

GiftofGod77:
It's quite okay, I still love and respect you.

GiftofGod77:
and besides it's fun interacting with you. Blessings...

I am not interested in any of that as it is all meaningless religious gobbledegook to me.

GiftofGod77:
➜ No please autonomy in the right way.
➜He never lies, He is the Truth.

So, bodily autonomy can be wrong is what you are saying?

2. He never lies and is the Truth yet your every statement asserts the opposite which is that He in fact lied and hence cannot be Truth?

GiftofGod77:
➜What those Scriptures mean must be interpreted in the Spirit of God.
➜When men read and attempt to interpret them literarily they get hurt.
➜The Letter kills while the Spirit gives life...

Where did you get this idea that what is written in plaintext must be interpreted in this spirit of your deity that you refer to?

2. Again, where do you get this notion that the context must be interpreted?

3. What does this statement have to do with this context?

GiftofGod77:
➜The man's body belongs to his wife. They are one and the Love of God binds and keeps them. It nourishes them and blesses them. I have seen it practically.
➜I love all men irrespective of their spiritual predispositions but I live in line with the dictates of Jesus Christ.

That does not change the fact that your deity frowns against bodily autonomy. And what you claim is practical is no different from what atheists experience in their own marriages. They too enjoy marriage in similar ways. 🙄

2. Again, you assert that Jesus Christ of Israel lied. Yet you want me to believe it is the same liar that you believe in? You can't have it both ways! 🙄

GiftofGod77:
That is your own interpretation...not what the Scripture says...

I didn't write the book so it couldn't be my interpretation as it is instead what is written in the book in John 3 vs 14 - 16 & Matthew 15 vs 20 - 28 & Matthew 7 vs 6 & .....

I am not a Christian so I don't do interpretations since I will never even think to apply the same reasoning to my other books which are equally written in human language much like the books of Israelite Scripture.

GiftofGod77:
He will reveal Himself to you...

Who?

Nachmonides:
➜I thought you were seriously smart, honestly. I see people who critique scriptures as smart people, but you have disappointed that idea, now I will pay much attention and critique the critic. You absolutely haven't read the bible well.
I should probably not respond to you but for the sake of people who will view this thread.
Concerning the cursing of the ground.
It can be understood as God telling Adam a natural consequence of Adam's actions—much like how breaking a law leads to punishment, not because the law enforcer directly harms you, but because that’s the outcome of your actions.
The Biblical Context
In Genesis 3:17, God says:
"Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat food from it all the days of your life."
The phrase "because of you" suggests that the ground was not cursed by an arbitrary divine act but as a result of Adam’s disobedience.
It aligns with a recurring biblical theme: sin brings consequences, sometimes indirectly.
Another case would be that of Pharaoh:
Did God Directly Harden Pharaoh’s Heart?

At first glance, Exodus 9:12 says:
> "But the Lord hardened Pharaoh's heart, and he did not listen to them, just as the Lord had spoken to Moses."
This makes it sound like God forced Pharaoh to be stubborn. But if we look deeper, we see a pattern:
1. Pharaoh hardened his own heart first
Exodus 8:15 – “But when Pharaoh saw that there was relief, he hardened his heart and did not listen to them.”
Exodus 8:32 – “But Pharaoh hardened his heart this time also, and he did not let the people go.”
Exodus 9:34 – “But when Pharaoh saw that the rain, hail, and thunder had ceased, he sinned yet again and hardened his heart. ”
Here it says he sinned yet again
2. Later, God hardened Pharaoh’s heart further
Exodus 9:12 – “The Lord hardened Pharaoh’s heart.”

Exodus 10:20, 10:27, 11:10 – Repeats that God hardened Pharaoh’s heart.What This Means

Pharaoh made his own choice first. He was already rejecting God.

God simply reinforced what Pharaoh had already decided.

This aligns with the principle of consequences. Just like Adam faced the natural results of his sin, Pharaoh was given over to his own stubbornness.


The Biblical Pattern

This idea shows up elsewhere in Scripture:

Romans 1:24-26 – “God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity.”

2 Thessalonians 2:11-12 – “God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false.”

Actually use your brain when reading scriptures, ask questions, what's the context, is this a figure of speech, if it is, what type, is this some form of ancient tradition, is it influenced by the translators culture and traditions, language?

It's just like a parent who tells his child not to do evil and the child goes on to do it repeatedly, and the parent says "Okay, have your way". The child will find out the consequences of the evil actions.

I am still allergic to Religious gobbledegook, so stop inundating me with your meaningless drivels!

GiftofGod77:
➜Whoever will humble themselves, acknowledge that they have sinned against God and need His help. Then they acknowledge and accept His Son Jesus Christ as their Saviour then He God will adopt them to be His children. As long as they or "whoever" believes in God's Will and Plan in Christ they become the sons of God. This is something we should never take for granted and we must give God all the glory and thanks for this. If not there will be no hope.

But Jesus Christ of Israel and YHWH —God of Israel — instead said that it is instead WHOEVER AMONG those who are of the bloodline of Jacob. See the difference between your claim and what is actually written in the book which you actually deny?

So, who is lying here... you or Jesus Christ of Israel & YHWH?

GiftofGod77:
➜I think you did not get me well there, I meant it is not like those other ones who get theirs from demons.
➜I mean it is a genuine experience that lifts and edifies and clearly manifests the presence of God in a humble vessel such as me. They are not the same. Never will be.

From where I sit, you are no different from those people you disparage.

2. You speak the same language they speak— talking about some spiritual bullsheet— so how can I see you any different from them?

GiftofGod77:
➜The One Deity who made the heavens and the earth. Who is the Almighty and All Holy God the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. He has many names. The All Knowing, The Alpha and Omega... There are no other ones except Him. Only jokers....very funny ones too wannabes....

Now I know for a fact that you lied! First of all, the God of Israel —YHWH— made clear that His Laws apply only to those who are of the bloodline of Jacob. Second, He never gave laws regarding teeth, bellybutton, anuses, or even drugs. You lied! 😏

GiftofGod77:
➜2. Please the private part of a woman is made for her husband in holy matrimony.
➜Giving it to men not married or chosen by God to be husbands is an aberration with consequences.
➜So please I never impose any rules on woman except the One who made the women and it is for the good and pure holy living with the dignity deserving for all humankind. Such rules is for the prosperous living of not only women but for men too with our own rules.
3. In a marriage when respect is not mutual there are bound be issues. For example the woman will feel belittled and this will make her not to give in her very best. At times she will even begin to scheme against her man especially if she sees other men who may be giving their own woman respect the deserve. It is not even God's plan in the first place.

1. Your deity explicitly stated that the private part of a woman is made for her husband. So, the woman has no bodily autonomy of any kind? Is her private part is exclusive property of her husband?

2. So, your deity also requires that women without intention to marry at all also have their private parts seized by men only, abi?

3. You just claimed the private part of a married woman belongs to her husband. That is an imposition. You also stated that the private part of any woman belongs only to her husband meaning that women who are not married do not clearly own their body because according to you, it has to be the property of men.

4. You folks like to tell tales. I didn't ask you about marriage but about respect. According to you, your sex deity wants women's vagina's to belong to their husbands. But what about people who don't believe in your god and his ideals? Do you mutually respect them or impose your own deity's ideas on them disrespectfully?

GiftofGod77:
1. They are to be kept clean and not to be used for any purpose other than intended purpose other wise regarded as immoral. For example, this thing called anal sex is an aberration to what it meant to used for. Taking of drugs in terms of drug abuse is also an abuse. They are to be kept clean because the body is the Temple of God here on earth. They are never to be used for the purposes they were not meant to be used such as for evil purposes.

1. Who is this deity of yours who gave you all those supposed rules you have there? There are over 4000 deities identified out there so which one of them told you to keep your teeth, legs, and bellybutton clean? Which one? We need to be clear of the identify before we proceed.

Zubeezanga:
➜I was given the first opportunity and I messed it up, just don't know how to go back that mess up haunts me, who will even believe me again

Why not take along proof to help convince them that your mess up was not intentional? If you need their forgiveness then I don't see why you hesitate.

GiftofGod77:
➜Okay I was addressing the topic at hand. He has instructions for everything He has made. Not just the .....thingy. He has instructions for everything. All the body and how it should be used maintained and what it should never be used for.
➜For me I still respect women even when thy don't respect me.
➜What I meant by mutual is in a Marriage or relationship. Even in every way or place where there is human relationship it should be so. But we are to love and respect even when we don't get the same response because that is what God did for us.

He does? What is this almighty's specific instructions on how to use the teeth, the anus, the navel, etc? Let's hear it.

2. So, you say you respect all women but you impose specific rules on how women can use their vaginas because your deity laid down specific rules for that as far as even those who don't believe in your deity?

3. So, in a marriage or close relationship, if the respect is not mutual, then it should not exist at all. I am interested in knowing what happens when respect is not mutual.

GiftofGod77:
➜Yes the same Scripture that gave that option "whoever"....

Whoever what?