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dochenaj:
The girl he was asked to deliver bewitched him.

But Jesus Christ said that what makes a man unclean is what comes from his heart....what he has stored up in his mind, meaning the pastor was not bewitched but instead he simply revealed what was stored up inside of him..sin.

Kayberg:
You see?
Did you read this at all?

Isaiah 45 (KJV)
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⁵ I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
⁶ That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.
⁷ I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
⁸ Drop down, ye heavens, from above, and let the skies pour down righteousness: let the earth open, and let them bring forth salvation, and let righteousness spring up together; I the LORD have created it.

Now stop avoiding my question.
Are the rest of the Books of the Bible in the New Testament valid or not?

Again...

Kobojunkiee:
All Knowledge of Good and of Evil , even all that you find in the world, belongs to God and is inspired by Him. So your Bible books,including all scripture not included in it, are all inspired of God.

As for validity or veracity, only the Word of God, Jesus Christ, is Truth. Every other word, including the word of Satan contained in scripture, is subject to the Truth of God -the Word of God.

Kayberg:
I gave you a scripture, I see you could not understand it.
But stop avoiding my questions.
Are the rest of the Books of the Bible, besides Matthew, Mark, Luke and John invalid?

Answer me.

Learn to comprehend that which is before you.

Kobojunkiee:
All Knowledge of Good and of Evil , even all that you find in the world, belongs to God and is inspired by Him. So your Bible books,including all scripture not included in it, are all inspired of God.

As for validity or veracity, only the Word of God, Jesus Christ, is Truth. Every other word, including the word of Satan contained in scripture, is subject to the Truth of God -the Word of God.

Kayberg:
Isaiah 45 (KJV)
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⁵ I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
⁶ That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.
⁷ I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
⁸ Drop down, ye heavens, from above, and let the skies pour down righteousness: let the earth open, and let them bring forth salvation, and let righteousness spring up together; I the LORD have created it.



My question still is, "Are the rest of the Books of the Bible in the New Testament valid or not?"

Again....

Kobojunkiee:
All Knowledge of Good and of Evil , even all that you find in the world, belongs to God and is inspired by Him. So your Bible books,including all scripture not included in it, are all inspired of God.

As for validity or veracity, only the Word of God, Jesus Christ, is Truth. Every other word, including the word of Satan contained in scripture, is subject to the Truth of God -the Word of God.

Comprehension remains a major problem, it seems.

cococandy:
I see

The incentives are mind blowing and as taught by Jesus Christ Himself, not what you hear from the charlatans who pretend to know Him but are clueless and blind as far as He is concerned.

Kayberg:
Are the rest of the Books of the Bible in the New Testament invalid?
Yes or No.

All Knowledge of Good and of Evil , even all that you find in the world, belongs to God and is inspired by Him. So your Bible books,including all scripture not included in it, are all inspired of God.

As for validity or veracity, only the Word of God, Jesus Christ, is Truth. Every other word, including the word of Satan contained in scripture, is subject to the Truth of God -the Word of God.

Kayberg:
In the graves you say?
Now I know where you got all your misconceptions from. It is from the doctrines of the JWs.

If you had bothered to read that book called the Bible without the doctrinal filters given you of your Mogs, you 2would have realized the Truth of God, given you about 2000 years ago by Jesus Christ.

Unfortunately, blinded by the doctrines of men, seeing, you are not able to see, just as Jesus Christ said of those of old.

Kayberg:

Only lust now is sin?
What happened to others JESUS CHRIST Himself mentioned?

recall....

Kobojunkiee:
Jesus Christ said to remove the boulder in your eyes so you can see very well. If you are struggling with lust but pointing accusing fingers at a homosexual who probably has not lusted after anyone in months, are you truly justified in your hate of him?

Acidosis:
Never seen a more confused and misguided charlatan who preaches fake doctrines with so much confidence on this forum!
Your level of ignorance is second to none!

What you call fake doctrine is what Jesus Christ taught.

Kayberg:
That is where you get it all wrong!
So this is actually how limited you are?
No wonder you have been twisting everything to soothe yourself and your misconceptions!

Mr False Teacher, read the Bible more.
Quit JW, it is a way of death and destruction which seem right to you.

Seek all the truth hidden from you and be well enlightened.

Again.....

Kobojunkiee:
Jesus Christ never taught you of any realm of the spirit...that idea is Pagan in original and against God since He commands you to not teach doctrines and traditions of men in His name.

Kayberg:
Mr, you're a false teacher.
Read the Bible and learn more.
Call a spade a spade.
Do not because you're struggling with any particular sin justify that same sin to make yourself feel good or right in/about it.

The spade/sin as defined by Jesus Christ is lust...

cococandy:
Ah I see.
So it’s better to be an unbeliever than to be a believer who goes astray huh?
At least as an unbeliever, you end when you die. Ces’t finis

But if you once believed and then fell by the way side, you’re condemned to a lake of fiery furnace forever and ever.

So what’s the incentive to become a believer?

It is too late for that if you have already been deceived by the lies of the charlatans who call themselves pastors... into believing in Jesus Christ to escape hell....

Incentive or being a believer is as you continue to trust and obey the teachings /commandments of Jesus Christ, God Himself, will become your teacher/guide/shepherd etc. throughout this experience called life and afterwards you have Heaven to your pleasure.

Kayberg:
I pray GOD take you down into the realm of the spirit to clear your misconceptions.

Jesus Christ never taught you of any realm of the spirit...that idea is Pagan in original and against God since He commands you to not teach doctrines and traditions of men in His name.

Kayberg:
Struggling with sin does not give anyone the pass to justify it.

Jesus Christ said to remove the boulder in your eyes so you can see very well. If you are struggling with lust but pointing accusing fingers at a homosexual who probably has not lusted after anyone in months, are you truly justified in your hate of him?

Kayberg:
John 3 (KJV)
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¹⁵ That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
¹⁶ For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
¹⁷ For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
¹⁸ He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
¹⁹ And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

As the verses in the passage clearly tell you, even through you refuse to see it for yourself, those who do not believe remain condemned to perish in their graves, just as it has been since the time of Adam. And that Judgment was laid down by God Himself.

cococandy:
I don’t understand. So hell is not for unbelievers?

What then happens to them after death? (From a Christian perspective)

Nope!

Hell is not for unbelievers for you need to belong to the Kingdom of God to gain access to eternal life which those in Hell have to spend there.
Another way of putting it is, since those who do not believe in Jesus Christ remained condemned to die(perish in the grave .I.e. cease to exist when they die), they have no afterlife with which to spend in Hell,which again is a part of the Kingdom of God.

Kayberg:
Why then did JESUS CHRIST say that these things you say are not sins, defiles man?

Matthew 15 (KJV)
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¹⁸ But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
¹⁹ For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
²⁰ These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.

And He said further that in that kingdom of heaven, whatever defiles or makes abomination shall not enter therein?

“And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.”
— Revelation 21:27 (KJV)

And GOD called homosexuality an abomination.

Leviticus 18 (KJV)
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²² Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
²³ Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion.

Again...

Kobojunkiee:
Again, pay attention to what Jesus Christ taught and the message contained even in those verses you culled without properly processing.....

Jesus Christ, the New Covenant, taught you that what is sin is instead the lust in your heart..... that is what eventually comes out of you in the form of fornication, masturbation etc. You are condemned for the lust in your heart, not the act that follows that lust, whatever you may call it.

cococandy:
Who am I to get between “true” Christians and their need to be better ?

The same Jesus you’re using as example was in many instances not holy enough for the Pharisees (the showy obnoxious holy people) because he didn’t practice holier-than-thou-all-sinners-are-condemned type of religion.

You know very well that no one is asking you to redefine what you regard as sin. It’s your belief after all. Others should have no say about your religious life. But you will choose to understand it as something else because you’re not being given freedom to condemn others.

That’s why I said the average Christian can’t imagine a belief system that’s not based on making sure the world knows they are the good ones while the others are the bound-for-hell condemned folks.

The average Christian there is wrong because according to Jesus Christ, the Law of the Kingdom of God, Hell is for those who believe in Jesus Christ, yet refuse to obey Him...not the unbelievers and the world.

Kayberg:
Are the records of the New Testament in the Bible true or false?

Ephesians 5 (KJV)
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¹ Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;
² And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.
³ But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;

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⁵ For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

The definition of the New Covenant is found written in the Words of Jesus Christ in the books of Mattheq, Mark, Luke and John.... in those 4 books, you will find written, the teachings of Jesus Christ, God's Law of the Kingdom of God to you.

achorladey:
You have discussed at length with him. I don't think he really understand what point you are trying to make, even what the extrabiblical mean?

Yeah, I sensed that too!

Kayberg:
If you teach people that fornication, adultery and likes are not sins, but only thinking of engaging in them in your heart is the sin, then whose side are you on?

Despite the Bible stressing on these same things you claimed are not sins that whosoever practices them shall not be allowed into the kingdom of heaven.

This is how most of you preachers render repentance invalid by your false and misleading self conceived doctrines and teachings.
Kobojunkie, you had better start reading your Bible to understand better.

I didnt make the Law. Jesus Christ, the one who is Law declared it so. I simply obey Him and teach that which He gave to us.

According to Jesus Christ, the lust in your heart, not the acts , is what you are condemned for. And if you spent time reasoning this, you would realize the wisdom in God's teaching, over that which is the doctrines of men, which many are deceived by.

Kayberg:
If JESUS CHRIST said He didn't come to destroy the law and prophets but came to fulfill them, wherein He sanctified Himself that no man could convict Him of any sins, what example did He lay down for those who shall believe on Him?

“What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?”
— Romans 6:1 (KJV)

The Old Covenant is an eternal Covenant between God and those of the blood of Jacob(gentiles are excluded) in much the same way that Jesus Christ, the New Covenant, is also an eternal Covenant between God and individual man(gentiles included).

Jesus Christ fulfilled the law on behalf of the Jews who would jump ship from the Old covenant to the New Covenant instead. And His fulfillment of that Law has nothing to do with you since you were never included as a part of it to begin with.

For the Jews who jumped ship from the old Covenant to the New, that meant they had to also abandon their worshop(trust and obedience) of the Old Covenant laws, switching over entirely to submission and obedience to New Covenant ideas of sin instead.

Kayberg:
And those He inspired by the HOLY SPIRIT and sent to the ends of the world, whose records were kept and included in our scriptures today, shall we nullify them and their testimonies?

Jesus Christ warned you in John 16 that the Spirit of Truth will take that which is of Him to give to you...implying that the Spirit of Truth (Jesus Christ) would never contradict His own Truth. So if those who you claim were sent to you told you a Truth that contradicts that which was spoken by Jesus Christ, the Law of God, be sure to know which master you serve..

Kayberg:
If you can openly reject the teachings of CHRIST JESUS, then you're a false teacher Mr.

I never reject the teachings of Jesus Christ, you are instead the one who confuses the teachings of men for the Law of God.

Kayberg:
Then we should remove or reject the contents of the New Testament.

God already gave you laws as to how to handle His Truth and the accounts of men. And all of this are contained in the Teachings/commandments of Jesus Christ,the truth of God.

baratech:
We're only hearing one side of the story... Their parents should also come and tell their side of the story... Their Pastor should also come and tell their side of the story

Bullsheet!

Kayberg:
Why then are these listed as sins even after the ascension of our LORD JESUS CHRIST back to heaven, and repentance from them are being preached?

Simple, the ignorance of men. Jesus Christ told you to Trust in Him, not men and Obey His teachings. not the teachings of men...that men have chosen to add them against His command that they not add or remove from His Law, should not be reason why you also should abandon the Law of God for the laws of men instead.

uunwanaobong3:
The evil of democracy and ultimate freedom is that too much freedom destroy a society. Even god does not give us an ultimate freedom.

To much freedom was given to this big tech companies and they are beginning to abuse it. WHO GAVE YOU FREEDOM TO CANCEL ANOTHER MAN FREEDOM OF SPEECH..... THE BIG TECH COMPANIES NEED TO BE CENSORED

Stop trying to drag God's name down into that muck you are rolling in there.

cococandy:
It is possible to practice Christianity that is not based on the condemnation and vilification of others. That is what a lot of us still haven’t learned. Many Christians today won’t be Christians if you tell them that they don’t get to judge others as less righteous. In fact that’s their sole reward for being Christians. To feel like the chosen ones better than the “unchosen”

Less righteous ke?

Many of those who go around condemning others in such manner are themselves struggling with sins of their own but they get an ego boost of sorts from demeaning others pretending they score points with God when they engage in such hateful acts.

Kayberg:
If JESUS CHRIST taught you to obey His commandments, then why are you telling us here that fornication is not a sin when our LORD JESUS CHRIST Himself said:

John 14 (KJV)
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²¹ He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

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²³ Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
²⁴ He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

Matthew 15 (KJV)
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¹⁸ But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
¹⁹ For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
²⁰ These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.

Again, pay attention to what Jesus Christ taught and the message contained even in those verses you culled without properly processing.....

Jesus Christ, the New Covenant, taught you that what is sin is instead the lust in your heart..... that is what eventually comes out of you in the form of fornication, masturbation etc. You are condemned for the lust in your heart, not the act that follows that lust, whatever you may call it.

Kayberg:
Did JESUS CHRIST say you should go and continue with fornication because it is not a sin?
Or what are you trying to tell me?

Pay attention .. Jesus Christ taught you instead that Lust in your heart is the sin - not fornication.

And try to think carefully before you respond about what that means, so you don't ask any needless follow up questions.

Kayberg:
Who told you these?

Leviticus 18 (KJV)
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⁴ Ye shall do my judgments, and keep mine ordinances, to walk therein: I am the LORD your God.
⁵ Ye shall therefore keep my statutes, and my judgments: which if a man do, he shall live in them: I am the LORD.

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²⁰ Moreover thou shalt not lie carnally with thy neighbour's wife, to defile thyself with her.

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²² Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
²³ Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion.
²⁴ Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you:

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²⁹ For whosoever shall commit any of these abominations, even the souls that commit them shall be cut off from among their people.
³⁰ Therefore shall ye keep mine ordinance, that ye commit not any one of these abominable customs, which were committed before you, and that ye defile not yourselves therein: I am the LORD your God.

Revelation 9 (KJV)
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²⁰ And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:
²¹ Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.

Revelation 21 (KJV)
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⁸ But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

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²⁷ And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

Who had lied to you to this extent?

That question is instead for you to ask yourself

Kobojunkiee:
If you had ever bothered to in fact pick up that book to read for yourself, you would have discovered, even in Deuteronomy 30, that the old Covenant Law which God gave through Moses was to ONLY those who are born of the blood of Jacob - Almighty God never included you and your roots in that Covenant from the get go. So your following of any of the handful of laws out of the 613 defined within the Law of Moses has been nothing but meaninglessness on your part and God's.

God gave you Jesus Christ, a New Covenant, which He included you and your kind(gentiles) in and He commanded that you trust and obey the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ only.

Jesus Christ, the Law of the Kingdom of God, is the Covenant that defines for us what sin is and what how those who follow Him ought to live, and it is sin to preach otherwise.