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Lovelyperson:
There is more than those two options

I know of 3 options really....

1) Oblivion- those who die without God perish in the grave or cease to exist.

2) Heaven - those who believe and obey God live eternally in reward as Sons of God.

3) Hell - those who believe in God but refuse to obey Him live eternally as hoards of the darkside.

What other options are you aware of?

KaideeGee:
Like this subject puzzles me to no end.
Personally I feel everything is foreordained with few allowances for error. God has his plan for mankind which the Bible has proven is absolute.
But even in this absolution each individual has a choice to stand with God or with the Devil.
The thing that puzzles me is this, people are different, we aren't made from the same mold so there will definitely always be people who choose the devil, God knows this, you and I know this but why doesn't God change this.

Honestly sometimes I feel this entire life we find ourselves is one gigantic drama or chess game, no matter how much you try to be different or stand out, ultimately you are but a pawn... expendable.

God knows the end of a man from before the beginning of that man does not imply that He ordained the man's end as it will be but simply that He is able to see all that would become of that man.

danvon:
Now the main point I'm making here
In the Bible mankind problem is based on our choice but in Greek story it's the will of the Gods, the Zeus made Pandora and knew about her curiosity but in the Bible God made a woman yet claims to be ignorant about her qualities while at the same time claiming to be Omniscient

Do we have free will or is everything destined? this is the question the church never answers

God made a woman and claimed ignorance of her qualities? How so?

Nothing in the Bible suggests that everything is predetermined by God. Instead you are told that He knows all things and set His own plan alongside the plan of men which is pre-known to Him.

DannyG8:
as a Christ like you have to be like Christ which includes preaching the gospel

I have a question I want to ask
my question is am quiet person very gentle that what describe me

now I want to preach gospel but am very shy person I can't look at people's face this is natural that how I was born and same applies to everyone in my family we are to quiet gentle am confuse I have pray about it but no changes what can I do please

Like Jesus Christ instructed His disciples, you must do too..wait until you are reborn by the Spirit of God so that He will lead you with the boldness necessary to teaching those He will chose for you to teach.

Those who go out to teach of their own will and confidence do so against God, and not for God. Even Jesus Christ did not go out of His own confidence and charisma but of that which was given Him by the Spirit of God. That is why Jesus Christ also confirmed to you that He is gentle and humble at heart. That bold in-your-face man that boldly confronted the Pharisees and High priests was the confidence and boldness of the Spirit of God inside of Jesus Christ. The same manner of boldness can be observed from reading about His apostles in the book of Acts.

sonmvayina:
You do realise that God is not a man or a human being and that the only way to communicate with God is through an oracle. ..and that priest uses parables to deliver their messages from God, and the word of God is actually the words of men with hidden messages. And that it is filled with symbolism and numerology...
And you are only meant to see it with your mind eyes...
Or should i let you wallow in ignorance?

Maybe your deity is contacted only through an human Oracle or man made artifact, but my God treasures a direct connection of His own design/making.

Again, you can keep your priests who speak in parables to you, since my God does not have an issue clearly expressing Himself when He chooses. He is an expert as far as human language is concerned.

God's word to men are filled with symbolism and numerology, suggesting that even that which is plainly stated by God is coded, implying the statement "though shall not kill" or that which states "...love your neighbor as you love your own self" cannot be interpreted literally?
You must be a genius....

You are only meant to see with your mind's eyes, and not that which is directly before you? Yikes!

And here I thought the ones who bastardized the scripture called the "Gospel of Jesus by Barnabas " where the Batty ones.

danberg:
Where did I imply that? Did you read Romans 9:15? I didn't write the Bible. You can have your arguement with your Maker whenever you go to Him.

Paul's letter to the Jewish Christians in the city of Rome at hjs time is not to be confused with God's Word since Paul never in fact declared "Thus saith the Lord...".
For an idea of the Maker's judgement we have examples where God Himself swears by His name, saying,"...the one who sins will die.", in Ezekiel 18.

danberg:
Look at it this way, using the human body which we all have; some are more endowed in areas others are not. I have a cousin who has big well-built thighs naturally which I covet. I have a big chest making people think I'm fit from weight-lifting.

Same with ladies; you see many on instagram who did surgeries for a body type that another has naturally. Would you term them losers? Well, I don't think so. There's something unique to each one of us. Discover your own, embrace it and most importantly, use it!

So one who is made handsome by God is graced with handsomeness and one who is has an ugly face is graced with an ugly face by God?

So here again, the purpose of this grace you speak of is as judged by humans and not God.

danberg:
Means you may get away with what some else get dealt with for. Remember God says; "I will have mercy upon whom I will have mercy and compassion on whom I will have compassion ". Romans 9:15

So by this you imply that God's word cannot always be trusted, as you suggest there that God is not fair in His judgments?

danberg:
That particular type of grace is what they lack.
They need to put in serious effort if they go broke; such as phoning/meeting family and friends, borrowing etc, or there would be trouble.

So they are losers as far as the grace lottery which you describe here?

Jesus Christ is the one who commands His servants, not Paul. And we know that in the Kingdom of God, there are no different rules for males and for females and so ideas that divide along even gender lines are become meaningless.

hgnbello:
Is It Compulsory For A Christian Woman To Cover Their Hair While Praying?

no

danberg:
That is grace!
Someone else who doesn't have such may end up frustrated, depressed or even suicidal.

So those who are frustrated, depressed or even suicidal are so because they lack the grace of God?

danberg:
Acceptability in the sight of God and men.
There are some similarities but Grace is higher. For example, you may have a natural grace which makes everyone around you want to be in your circle. That's not luck or talent now, is it?

Acceptability in the sight of God is what?

danberg:
Understand that Grace is so very broad and all encompassing! It's a divine influence over a person (Christian or not) which makes certain things happen to him/her with almost no effort!
However, what you do with it as a Christian is important as you would give account to God on the last day.

Bible talks of the Grace of Jesus's Christ which brought us salvation. We made no effort, it was grace! There almost countless other types that men received whether they are conscious of it or not.

So, the grace of God is on all mankind, and is broad, but the grace of Jesus Christ is not since it simply brings us Salvation?

danberg:
Actually, one of the synonyms of Grace is 'acceptability'. Read my first point again and feel free to share yours. Remember there are several types of graces.

Some are able to turn anything to money even without formal education. Others can persuade the devil himself! Some are graced with infinite patience and tolerance others are not. Some can make a delicious meal out of little, you follow?
This is akin to talent in some respects.

But think on this thing. The Grace of God implies accebility in the sight of God or in the sight of men?

Talent, luck, kismet, jojo... what have any of these to do with God and His grace?

unity004:
7. by above all honoring and respecting our earthly parents

But Jesus Christ said that you have to abandon/hate father, mother, sister, brother, wife, children.... if you want to become worthy of Him?

trevorhorace:
I know it's mandatory for those who want to take up positions of authority in the church as stated in the new testament

Generally the original plan God had was for one man and one wife. ' A man shall leave his father and mother and cling unto his wife and become one flesh' .

Mandated by whom? God?

danberg:
It is!!
God has a plan for that. Why don't you ask Him? It may be that God wants to use you specially to reach out to women!
Bishop T.D. James has such a great outreach for women known as 'Woman Though Art Loosed'.

Unfortunately, many use it as an occasion to bed as many women as possible, thinking it's an achievement.

So God's grace on him is that he is a magnet for women?

And the many unbelievers out there that have the same appeal are also graced by God in that way? This is your understanding of God's grace?

Sheunma:
With all their so called spiritual minds and powers which they claim gives them ability to see things beyond the natural and conjure things out of thin air, they still can't create a media space of their own where they can make their own rules and do as they please.

They cry tyranny and persecution and wail when people they claim are worldly and canal minded and of the devil, ban or sanction them for flouting rules guiding the platform created with canal minds. SMH!

For a second there , I believed you wrote there of Witches and Wizards!

danberg:
So, Grace is a divine enablement bestowed on a person. It is assumed that everyone came to this world with a 'talent' ; something they do better than others naturally or a ' something special' about them. As a Christian, God gives you grace in line with His divine purpose in you.

You should observe and identify yours and make good use of it/them.

Mine are;

1. People generally accept my person wherever I go.
2. I look rich even if I put on cheap stuff or unfashionable wears.
3. If you cheat me or treat me shabbily without offense on my part, and I am pained, you are in trouble! I've seen people who did that, lose their jobs or even their business.
4. I have a natural ability to teach/do a presentation and make people understand my subject and love my person.

What is/are yours?
Mods please put on front page.

This is what the grace of God means to you?

Melancholy:
l may not have money today, but things always fine tuned itself to my favour.

All l'm saying is that, the grace on me has always ensure that l'm not embarrassed in life!!!

This is what you believe the grace of God refers to?

Kayberg:
You can keep repeating same because you have nothing to use in the defense to your doctrines than what you have been fed.
If I can't make any sense in it, and you keep repeating it, shouldn't you find something else?
Go study the Bible fella and stop misleading people.

The reason you can't make of it is because you refuse to open your mind to what you ar4 being told. It is as simple as that. The only remedy comes from you..not I. I simply keep repeating it until you accept what is written to you is all.

Kobojunkiee:
All Knowledge of Good and of Evil , even all that you find in the world, belongs to God and is inspired by Him. So your Bible books,including all scripture not included in it, are all inspired of God.

As for validity or veracity, only the Word of God, Jesus Christ, is Truth. Every other word, including the word of Satan contained in scripture, is subject to the Truth of God -the Word of God.

Rubbish!

Kayberg:
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Your words said otherwise Mr.
You're a false teacher.
The Bible condemns what you're justifying and you expect me or anyone who knew the Bible condemns it to accept because you said it is not wrong?
Come on!
Give me a break on this!!
I ain't buying your satanic doctrines!!!

Again..

Kobojunkiee:
I have given you an answer several times now but the problem is the answer does not fit the script that your the many doctrines and traditions of men you subscribe to there agree with. So, you should probably learn to process formats more advanced than the one you continue to work with there.

I know it is common with your kind to label those who do not see the world through the same filter that you have been indoctrinated with. So I will help you here by letting you know that there is nothing JW about any of what I have said. That group, like yours, works in the doctrines and traditions of men, what Jesus Christ called lies that move people further away from His Truth , than towards it.
Instead, what I have told you, here, I have learned not from the mouths of me but from drinking from the mouth of Jesus Christ Himself. Pick up that book for yourself and learn the Truth of God from the one who is the Word of God, Jesus Christ.

HRHQueenPhil:
Have you seen
1. Your family members not live beyond 60 years of age
2. Many of your family including yourself are just surviving, none are near rich ..all barely scraping by
3. Many have one terminal disease or the other
4. The old people in your family are either crippled, blind, bedridden and in dire suffering

Do all it takes to attend the church service of tomorrow. The venue is the living faith church winners chapel cannanland sango ota. There are many buses to take you for free..reach out for Lagos resident and I will tell you the nearest bus close to you.
Remember you are Born looking like your parents but DIE looking like the outcome of your decisions. All other people outside Lagos should visit the nearest winners chapel close to them...Make the right one NOW

The doctrine of living a long life here on earth has nothing to do with the teachings of Jesus Christ and this evidence in the fact that Jesus Christ Himself died at the young age of about 33. To add to that, several of His own disciples were murdered in their young age while many of the first Christian were also persecuted and killed simply for being Christians.

The Gospel of the Kingdom of God teaches of hating the world, and the things of the world, living instead for the Kingdom of God and looking forward to it. Teaching people to hang on to the world and its treasures is against God and has nothing to do with the Word of God.

bobestman:
To answer the question, it's a YES
Deutronomy 6:25
it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the LORD our God, as he hath commanded us.

They kept the law and it was counted as righteousness to them. Righteousness is by keeping the laws. The law is spiritual

The word of the Sovereign God can never get old. There is nothing like old testament. The Messiah came to make good, justify, clarify or make simple the law. He never came to destroy it. Many things in the new testament that make void the laws were added by wicked Roman Priests who hate the Hebrews. Many of you won't understand this untill your inner eyes is open.

I do not disagree that the keeping of the Law is essential to attaining Righteousness where God is concerned but what concerns me is the choice of the Law you follow here.

In the same book of Deuteronomy(Deuteronomy 30) though, we are made to realize that the Old Covenant Law of Moses was never a Covenant between God and all Nations but instead an agreement between God and those of the blood of Jacob. God excluded the gentile nations from the agreement He made with the people of Israel, and there is no record of God ever changing His and on those who could partake of that Covenant. So of what good is it to any gentile to "attach" himself toast Covenant without God permitting such?


Jesus Christ did not come to simplify the Old Covenant. not at all. He instead came as a new agreement, separate from the Old Covenant agreement and with a promise for a new Kingdom as well. What Jesus Christ offered was a New Covenant, complete with it's own set of blessings, curses, laws/commandments, seals, rituals, promises, etc.-and agreement God promised through God through His prophets(Jeremiah 31), to the Lost Sheep of Israel (Ezekiel 36) and to bless the Gentile nations with(Genesis 15).
Jesus Christ came for the Jewish sinners and not the righteous among them. And not to deprive them of the promise of the Old Covenant, which was guaranteed only to those who lived righteous and died in righteousness -the only way out of the obligations of the Old covenant without perishing, Jesus Christ fulfilled the Old Law on their behalf. He lived a righteous life and surrendered to be killed in order to meet that mark on their behalf.
Jesus Christ fulfilled the Old Law requirements , freeing the Jewish sinners who would turn to Him instead from the obligation of the Old Law, transitioning them into the New Law which offered them eternal life from the door, a lighter yoke and an easier burden than the Old.

So now you see why I refer to the Law of Moses as the Old Covenant and the New Covenant, New. Both Covenants are everlasting, meaning they are alive forever, but the one is older and the other newer and greater.

The thing about the New Covenant is that God, in Ezekiel 36, declared that He would install a heart of flesh, a new spirit and even His own Spirit inside of those who belong to Him -accept and obey His commandments - in order to cause them to obey all of His commands,implying righteousness in His new agreement is not simply based on us but driven by His Spirit. What does that say of our "freewill "?

bobestman:
I didn't say it is about a particular parable. The Messiah thought on many subjects and all his teachings is about righteous living. My point is that He never compelled anyone to join a certain group to know the creator. He teaches ppl to repent, obey the Creator, help the poor, live in peace with your fellow men, do good, help the widow, keep the commands which is rooted on Love etc and at the end believe in him and you will never go wrong.

I see.

bobestman:
This was how things were in the begining. Man who already knew what is good and evil was given Freewill. If He choose to do good, he inherits eternal life - became deathless. If He does bad, he will likewise face the consequences.

Doesn't the fact that God Himself declared of His Covenant through Jesus Christ, that He would install His Spirit inside of those who belong to Him, causing them to obey His commands, pull the brakes on the free-will debate, I mean as far as those who are born-again followers, that is?

bobestman:
Unfortunately after the Messiah was murdered, some started creating religions which they established by their own traditions and doctrines with a little touch of what the Messiah taught ppl and claim it's the true way. Some say they are Christians, Muslims, Jews etc without them you will go to hell.

While I don't subscribe to any groups, I ask however if you are indeed aware that Jesus Christ did in fact teach of a Hell - the Kingdom of God consists of two kingdoms: Heaven and Hell.

bobestman:
Some say give your life to Jesus, and I asked where did the Messiah told ppl to give their lives to him? He only said believe in me. If you ask them have they seen Jesus? They will say NO. Those who claim to have seen him will say He has a blue eyes, long hair and light skin as they show them in Hollywood and other bla bla bla.

Lol

bobestman:
The Messiah created no religion. He taught people to do good, fear the Creator and live a righteous life. Well, they will understand at the right time.

I agree that the Messiah has nothing to do with religion since what He brought was a contract/agreement between God and individual man, not groups.

HRHQueenPhil:
Have you seen
1. Your family members not live beyond 60 years of age
2. Many of your family including yourself are just surviving, none are near rich ..all barely scraping by
3. Many have one terminal disease or the other
4. The old people in your family are either crippled, blind, bedridden and in dire suffering

Do all it takes to attend the church service of tomorrow. The venue is the living faith church winners chapel cannanland sango ota. There are many buses to take you for free..reach out for Lagos resident and I will tell you the nearest bus close to you.
Remember you are Born looking like your parents but DIE looking like the outcome of your decisions. All other people outside Lagos should visit the nearest winners chapel close to them...Make the right one NOW

Jesus Christ did not come to preach or teach long life here on earth. When He declared that He had come that you may have life, and have it abundantly, He was in no way implying long life here on earth... but instead, He spoke in reference to the eternal life(grace) that He embodied.

His own life evidence of this Truth. Jesus Christ was in His 30s when He was put to death. James and Stephen died at a young age. Many of the other disciples did not die of old age but had their lives taken from them. So, it is irrational to claim that doctrines that teach "long life" on earth have to do with the teachings of Jesus Christ when He came instead to offer us eternal life out in His Kingdom instead.

officialmario:
About 5years ago when i wanted so settle down, i decided to seek spiritual guidance and advice, so i visited a prophet just to know if the lady is good for me, i gave the pastor two names,
After praying to seek guidance, he said the first lady is good and we can get married, but the problem there is that she will die after delivering the second child because that was the aggrement she made with her mate in heaven.
He said the other lady too is good but the only problem is that she won't bear children for me. I was shocked to hear this, Contrary to what he told i was very scared of the vision.
I didnt marry any of them, but the first one has given birth to three kids and the second lady just had her own baby last year.

we should nt believe in fake prophecies, most of these pastors are occultic agent and they get their powers from the marine kingdom, the only solution is to pray to God to show us the way.
Have you ever experience prophecies about your life and did not come to pass?
Share your views.

You would have probably gotten better results had you gone straight to a babalawo or a psychic, instead of to one who was masquerading as a servant of Jesus Christ.

Most of these pastors are occult agents that use powers from the marine kingdom? You went to a pastor seeking that which you could only get from one who was of the occult, so why blame your pastors for branching out into other kingdoms in order to meet the demands of their clientele for such services?

paxonel:
What is faith? Faith is religion.
They were righteous by their old testament religion Judaism just the way we are righteous by our Christian religion today, it's as simple as that

Where work refers to the act done in obedience to God's commandment, faith is the cumulative work done by an individual in submission(trust) to God.
Righteousness refers to the quality of having fulfilled God's requirement, for the promised reward. In Jesus Christ, the reward is an eternal reward in the Kingdom of Heaven, while for those who are instead of the Old Covenant Law of Moses, the reward is instead eternity in the land of Canaan.

Now, works of Righteousness refer to the particular works necessary to fulfilling God's requirement - God being the Judge. The works required are not arbitrary as they are listed right there in scripture for those who are interested to know. In Jesus Christ, the works of Righteousness are listed in Matthew 25 vs 31 - 40, while God re-lists the Old Covenant works of righteousness in Ezekiel 18, Isaiah 58, and even in Ezekiel 33.

In Job 31, we read of the man Job read of Job listing the works he had himself done in obedience to God's own commandments.

bobestman:
Read many of the Messiah's parables to understand many of his teachings. The parable of the Good Samaritan is a good one. Many religious ppl saw the wounded guy including pastors and priests but a good guy came from no where to do the needful. What did the Messiah said about him in the end? See it's not about your religions but living right, fearing the Creator and doing good cos all your religion today are apostate and the lies many of you don't know today is greater than the truths 8n all of them. Wake up ppl!

Interesting! So, do we simply extract one parable and then abandon everything else attributed to the same Jesus Christ?"-\

On the topic of work(acts of obedience), faith(cumulative works are done in submission to God), and Righteousness, which of His many parables do you think appropriately fits into this topic here?

Starzo:
a word is enough for the wise

The wise will never abide a lie.