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needanswer:
Those extrabiblical books are why we cant agree. 2 Tim 3:16,17 already tells you not to doubt any part of the bible and it is from God including parts you may not want to accept like how the early churches were formed and how the apostle were going from places to places to strengthen those churches.

Read more of the bible, maybe then we can agree on something.

needanswer:
And you knew about jesus who lived more than 20 centuries ago from where? You meet him at home?

Was it not through the bible you knew him. Was it not his disciples that wrote half of that book? Was it not those same disciples the spoke with in flesh and later in spirit when he ascended to heaven?

Was it not all those information that was compiled in the book called the bible that you read about jesus from, including books directed to churches like romans etc?

2 Tim 3:16,17 tells you the source of the entire bible which is from God.

needanswer:
Your 2 paragraphs seem to be contradictory. Christianity is a religion, there are so many others. So if you believe christianity is man made since it's a religion then you have discredited it already.

needanswer:
To your conclusion, I think the answer is simple. People are social beings as such they follow current trends whether intentionally or subconsciously. It's simply the trend to be a free thinker these days, but that doesnt change the facts or what is right.

Just the way it is unnatural for man and man or woman and woman or humans and objects to have romantic relationships even marriage, it is a trend that is on the rise today, still doesnt make it natural or right but it's becoming the norm.

To the other part, if you truly believe religion is a concept of man then religion is falsehood in itself. JW and every other religion should be castigated by you seeing they are all falsehood and a figment of human imagination. But I dont believe this to be true myself.

Evolution, the only other natural way of explaining life is a very faulty theory, i have dismantled it severally to atheist and they couldn't answer. It turns out you still need BLIND FAITH TO BELIEVE MANY ASPECT OF IT, even though mathematical, experimental and scientific data cannot confirm it. Evolution turns out to be just another figment of man's imagination but it's a convenient take for theist deniers.

GladGlad:
Prophet T.B Joshua's YouTube account has been suspended over some videos shared on the channel.

Premium Times had reported that between 2016 and January 2020, the channel posted at least seven clips showing the charismatic Christian televangelist engaging in violent exorcism to ‘cure’ gay and lesbian congregants of their sexual orientation by casting out “the demon of homosexuality”.

YouTube suspended the channel which had more than 1.8 million subscribers on April 12, after openDemocracy contacted it to ask whether some of the contents violated the platform’s community guidelines.

A YouTube spokesperson told openDemocracy;

rottennaija:
I once read in a website that there is nothing like a true religion, that the very concept of religion is based on human making. When it comes to human and its organization, you are likely going to see that they will be so invested in their organization surviving even when it means continuing a false belief. We see this all too often in government organizations, companies, movies ... religion is no different.

Like I said in my first second response to you, I try as much as possible to avoid big organized groups or religion. For me, the fewer the better, because when few people see they made an error, they will very likely correct it. But when big organization see it, correcting such might likely bring unpleasant consequences, especially an organization that is highly invested in it's image. In such organization, truth does not matter, only being consistent matters.

On the subject of atheisms, probably dues to our indoctrination, I think we have been made to fall into a false dichotomy. If you observe the current trend, there is a growing number of people that are Christians but do not want to have anything to do with organized religion. And it is projected that such numbers will continue to grow. So fall into a false argument that you to belong to a religion to worship God. Often, those who make these argument are trying to preserve what they hold dear.

lightblazingnow:
Go the palm trees and start tapping, your mouth should be permanently closed because you have a bad breath.

The book of Joshua and the book of Moses which is older?? You just talk without understanding and proper thinking.

The book of Jasher is same as the chronicles of the conquest and exploits of the kings and judge's. Written by Joshua the son of Nun, the servant of Moses who wrote the book of Genesis.

There's no book as old as Genesis. Get it and stop parading your super ignorance everywhere, who did this to this leftover

Againstlies:
God is the one that giveth child, forget if your sexual organ is complete or not.

propynich123:
https://youtu.be/U4yvMmA

elated177:
Read and digest.


Deut 32:1-4 Listen, you heavens, I will speak; hear, you earth, the words of my mouth.
Let my teaching fall like rain and my words descend like dew, like showers on new grass, like abundant rain on tender plants.
I will proclaim the name of YHVH. Oh, praise the greatness of our Elohim!
He is the Rock, his works are perfect, and all his ways are just. A faithful Elohim who does no wrong, upright and just is he.

Matt 11:27 All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.

John 1:1-5 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with YHVH and the Word was YHVH. He was with YHVH in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of mankind. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

John 1:14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father full of grace and truth.

John 10:
30 I and the Father are one.
36 what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, " I am YHVH's Son" ?

John 14:9 Yahushua answered: Don't you know me, Phillip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has the Father. How can you say, "Show us the Father"?

John 17:5 And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.

Col 1:15-17 The Son is the image of the invisible Elohim, the firstborn over all creation. For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

Heb 1:2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe.

1 John 1:1-2 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched - this we proclaim concerning the Word of life. The life appeared; we have seen it and testify to it, and we proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and has appeared to us.

1 John 2:22-23 Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Yahushua is the Messiah. Such a person is the anti-messiah - denying the Father and the Son. No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

1 John 5:11-12 And this is the testimony: YHVH has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of YHVH does not have life.

Rev 19:13 He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of YHVH.

YHVH El Shaddai is one with his Son, Yahushua the Messiah. The two are one. Whoever has one has the other also. It is actually simple and clear to comprehend.

Yahushua the Messiah is the Word of YHVH, the Father, made flesh while he was on earth. It is pertinent to note that every blessing, instruction, condemnation or punishment recorded in the set-apart Scriptures from Genesis to Revelation was/is intended to uphold the Word of YHVH of Hosts - his Ten Commandments.

The Word of YHVH is life. Obedience to the Word of YHVH is life. When a person says the Word of YHVH is life, what such person is actually saying is that Yahushua the Messiah is life. When a believer in Yahushua the Messiah says he/she is following Yahushua the Messiah, what such an individual is saying is that he/she is following the Commandments of YHVH Almighty.


Continued...

mechanics:
You better pray not to experience the wrath of God of speaking lies against His anointed one and who made you the judge?

LikeAking:
OP you are 100% percent right.
But mind you, this has to do with our various cultures plus religion.
The story might be different for Christians in Eroupe and co,
Christians are never satisfied of money.
You will find a Christian who have built 40 houses still complaining of money like a poor man.
Christians are only trained to give to their churches.
The Muslims in Nigeria are better selfless givers than Christians.
Most christian dads in Nigeria find it difficult to even give their wife and children money. They are always greedy for more money, their song is I dont have money, even when they have.
When I was in secondary school the Muslim kids in my class bring bigger money for snacks and co from home, same with uni.
They are better givers.
What we have done south is an array of greedy parents and children jointly called Christians, etc.
Northern Muslims in power also help their brothers and sisters than their christian counterparts.
Oga Dangote was given 500 K by his uncle to start life, how many christian uncles down south can do that?
Lets change, abeg.

needanswer:
Jesus encouraged his followers to gather together, Matt 18:20

Matthew 18 vs 15-18 (ERV)
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15. “ If your brother or sister in God’s family does something wrong, go and tell them what they did wrong. Do this when you are alone with them. If they listen to you, then you have helped them to be your brother or sister again.
16. But if they refuse to listen, go to them again and take one or two people with you. Then there will be two or three people who will be able to tell all that happened.
17. If they refuse to listen to them, tell the church. And if they refuse to listen to the church, treat them as you would treat someone who does not know God or who is a tax collector.

18. “I can assure you that when you speak judgment here on earth, it will be God’s judgment. And when you promise forgiveness here on earth, it will be God’s forgiveness.
19. To say it another way, if two of you on earth agree on anything you pray for, my Father in heaven will do what you ask.
20. Yes, if two or three people are together believing in me, I am there with them.”

needanswer:
No, but it is a fact the helper which is the holy spirit FIRST came upon them in pentecost when they were gathered together.

needanswer:
From the book of Romans-Thessalonians are addressed to churches. Some parts of the book of Revelations too. God gave his "approval" of those churches because Roman's-Thessalonians are part of the bible.

needanswer:
Proverb 27:17 answer the iron question.

John 10 vs 7-20 (ERV)
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7. So Jesus said again, “I assure you, I am the gate for the sheep.
8. All those who came before me were thieves and robbers. The sheep did not listen to them.
9. I am the gate. Whoever enters through me will be saved. They will be able to come in and go out. They will find everything they need.
10. A thief comes to steal, kill, and destroy. But I came to give life—life that is full and good.
11. “I am the good shepherd, and the good shepherd gives his life for the sheep.
12. The worker who is paid to keep the sheep is different from the shepherd. The paid worker does not own the sheep. So when he sees a wolf coming, he runs away and leaves the sheep alone. Then the wolf attacks the sheep and scatters them.
13. The man runs away because he is only a paid worker. He does not really care for the sheep.

14-15. “I am the shepherd who cares for the sheep. I know my sheep just as the Father knows me. And my sheep know me just as I know the Father. I give my life for these sheep.
16. I have other sheep too. They are not in this flock here. I must lead them also. They will listen to my voice. In the future, there will be one flock and one shepherd.
17. The Father loves me because I give my life. I give my life so that I can get it back again.
18. No one takes my life away from me. I give my own life freely. I have the right to give my life, and I have the right to get it back again. This is what the Father told me.”
19. Again the Jews were divided over what Jesus was saying.
20. Many of them said, “A demon has come into him and made him crazy. Why listen to him?”

needanswer:
I wish I had the strength to address you properly but I will try. Heb 4:15 draws similarities between jesus and the high priest.

Deuteronomy 5 vs 22-33 (ERV)
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22. “These words the Lord spoke to all your assembly at the mountain out of the midst of the fire, the cloud, and the thick darkness, with a loud voice; and he added no more. And he wrote them upon two tables of stone, and gave them to me.
[b] 23. And when you heard the voice out of the midst of the darkness, while the mountain was burning with fire, you came near to me, all the heads of your tribes, and your elders;
[b] 24. and you said, ‘Behold, the Lord our God has shown us his glory and greatness, and we have heard his voice out of the midst of the fire; we have this day seen God speak with man and man still live.
25. Now therefore why should we die? For this great fire will consume us; if we hear the voice of the Lord our God any more, we shall die.
26. For who is there of all flesh, that has heard the voice of the living God speaking out of the midst of fire, as we have, and has still lived?
27. Go near, and hear all that the Lord our God will say; and speak to us all that the Lord our God will speak to you; and we will hear and do it.’
28. “And the Lord heard your words, when you spoke to me; and the Lord said to me, ‘I have heard the words of this people, which they have spoken to you; they have rightly said all that they have spoken.
29. Oh that they had such a mind as this always, to fear me and to keep all my commandments, that it might go well with them and with their children for ever!
[b] 20. Go and say to them, “Return to your tents.”
31. But you, stand here by me, and I will tell you all the commandment and the statutes and the ordinances which you shall teach them, that they may do them in the land which I give them to possess.’
32. You shall be careful to do therefore as the Lord your God has commanded you; you shall not turn aside to the right hand or to the left.
33. You shall walk in all the way which the Lord your God has commanded you, that you may live, and that it may go well with you, and that you may live long in the land which you shall possess.

needanswer:
Some things you said up there, I already showed your references. You didn't know they were there before.
I will address them later, notice my short concise reply, I am tired.

ackifemmy:
1. During fasting Muslims gives provision unlike Christians.
2. Christians give with protocol while Muslims give with no boundaries.
3. Muslims have a no interest loan unlike Christians.
4. Muslim private school are less expensive than Christians from nursery primary secondary and university .
5. Muslims are better employers than Christians.
6. During fasting Muslims ease workload with full payment while Christians don't care.
7. Prove me wrong by crediting my account with Christian or Muslim as description 6610970015 Taiwo Akinfemi M FCMB.
Note.. I'M A CHRISTIAN
Use Google or private survey to prove me wrong and pls argue with your key board...

Amotolongbo:
But I thought the mercy which should follow the happy dancing in the church by the crippled man is being healed and able to walk again. Not being given a wheel chair

sonmvayina:
I have told you this before, but your stupidity and ignorance will not let you see your front. There is only one God , creator of heaven and earth...only the name that is different...same message or laws different stories...

But you are just head strong, because you are comfortable with your idolatry. Anything else is a lie..

When the time comes, you will get sense. Just keep wallowing in your filt like a swine..

Kobojunkiee:
So, you are just small-minded after all is said and done

needanswer:
In addition, although our faith in jesus is personal the bible encourages those with similar faith to meet together regularly. Jesus has 12 disciples.

needanswer:
God did not send the holy spirit as tongue of fire on Pentecost until all the apostles and disciples gathered together.
The first church was opened in Antioch for this purpose and the apostles were directing it under holy spirit.

needanswer:
God approved for other churches to open in the bible after antioch. God wants Christian's to fellowship together because iron sharpens iron.

needanswer:
So being part of a group is Christian and has always been.

needanswer:
Thanks for your comment.
The old covenant is called the LAW COVENANT or MOSAIC LAW and not covenant of YHWH, though YHWH is the source.

Exodus 3 vs 14-16 (ERV)
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14. Then God said to Moses, “Tell them, ‘I Am Who I Am.’[a] When you go to the Israelites, tell them, ‘I Am’ sent me to you.”
15. And God said, “Tell the Israelites that you were sent by Yahweh, the God of your ancestors—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, the God of Jacob. This will always be my name. It is how I want the people to remember me from now on.
16. “Now go and call together the elders of the people. Tell them that Yahweh, the God of your ancestors—the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob—appeared to you. Give them this message from me: ‘I have been watching over you and have seen what people in Egypt have done to you.

needanswer:
The high priest was the mediator in the LAW Covenant.
Jesus as the fulfillment of the law is the mediator as high priest in the new covenant.

Leviticus 21 vs 14-16 (ERV)
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10. “The high priest was chosen from among his brothers. The anointing oil was poured on his head. In this way he was chosen for the special job of being high priest. He was chosen to wear the special clothes, so he must not do things to show his sadness in public. He must not let his hair grow wild. He must not tear his clothes.
11. He must not make himself unclean by touching a dead body. He must not go near a dead body, even if it is his own father or mother.
12. The high priest must not leave God’s holy place, because he might become unclean and then make God’s holy place unclean. The anointing oil was poured on the high priest’s head. This separated him from the rest of the people. I am the Lord.

13. “The high priest must marry a woman who is a virgin.
14. He must not marry a woman who has had sexual relations with any man. He must not marry a prostitute, a divorced woman, or a widow. The high priest must marry a virgin from his own people.
15. In this way people will show respect for his children.[c] I, the Lord, have separated the high priest for his special work.”

16. The Lord said to Moses,
17. “Tell Aaron: If any of your descendants have anything wrong with them, they must not carry the special bread to God.
18. Any man who has something wrong with him must not serve as priest and bring sacrifices to me. These men cannot serve as priests: blind men, crippled men, men with bad scars on their faces, men with arms or legs that are too long,
19. men with broken feet or hands,
20. men with bent backs, men who are dwarfs,[d] men who are cross-eyed, men with rashes or bad skin diseases, and men with crushed testicles.
21. “If one of Aaron’s descendants has something wrong with him, he cannot approach the altar to bring gifts to the Lord. And he cannot carry the special bread to God.
22. He is from the family of priests, so he can eat the holy bread. He can also eat the very holy bread.
22. But he cannot go through the curtain into the Most Holy Place and he cannot go near the altar. This is because he has something wrong with him. He must not make my holy places unholy. I am the Lord, and I make these places holy.”

needanswer:
Both covenants are from God with different mediators.

needanswer:
God forbid the taking of blood in both new covenant and old covenant, Acts 15:20.

Acts 15 vs 12-23 (ERV)
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12. Then the whole group became quiet. They listened while Paul and Barnabas told about all the miraculous signs and wonders that God had done through them among the non-Jewish people.
13. When they finished speaking, James said, “My brothers, listen to me.
14. Simon Peter has told us how God showed his love for the non-Jewish people. For the first time, God accepted them and made them his people.
15. The words of the prophets agree with this too:
16. ‘I will return after this. I will build David’s house again. It has fallen down. I will build again the parts of his house that have been pulled down. I will make his house new.
17. Then the rest of the world will look for the Lord God— all those of other nations who are my people too. The Lord said this. And he is the one who does all these things.’
18. ‘All this has been known from the beginning of time.’
19. “So I think we should not make things hard for those who have turned to God from among the non-Jewish people.
20. Instead, we should send a letter telling them only the things they should not do:
Don’t eat food that has been given to idols. This makes the food unclean.
Don’t be involved in sexual sin.
Don’t eat meat from animals that have been strangled or any meat that still has the blood in it.
21. They should not do any of these things, because there are still men in every city who teach the Law of Moses. The words of Moses have been read in the synagogue every Sabbath day for many years.”
22. The apostles, the elders, and the whole church wanted to send some men with Paul and Barnabas to Antioch. The group decided to choose some of their own men. They chose Judas (also called Barsabbas) and Silas, men who were respected by the believers.
23. The group sent the letter with these men. The letter said:
From the apostles and elders, your brothers,
To all the non-Jewish brothers in the city of Antioch and in the countries of Syria and Cilicia.
Dear Brothers:

needanswer:
Jesus himself said those who kill by the sword will die by the sword Matt 26:52

Matthew 5 vs 38-48 (ERV)
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38. “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.’[i]
39. But I tell you, don’t fight back against someone who wants to do harm to you. If they hit you on the right cheek, let them hit the other cheek too.
40. If anyone wants to sue you in court and take your shirt, let them have your coat too.
41. If a soldier forces you to walk with him one mile,[j] go with him two.
42. Give to anyone who asks you for something. Don’t refuse to give to anyone who wants to borrow from you.
43. “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[k] and hate your enemy.’
44. But I tell you, love your enemies. Pray for those who treat you badly.
45. If you do this, you will be children who are truly like your Father in heaven. He lets the sun rise for all people, whether they are good or bad. He sends rain to those who do right and to those who do wrong.
46. If you love only those who love you, why should you get a reward for that? Even the tax collectors do that.
47. And if you are nice only to your friends, you are no better than anyone else. Even the people who don’t know God are nice to their friends.
48. What I am saying is that you must be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.

MightySparrow:
You sound like a confused person.

chatinent:
We are sinful by nature.
You only need to draw close to God first and watch God draw close to you. (James 4: 8 ).

GeneralDae:
But that is not what the Christian bible says. Jesus already told us that if someone sins and needs God's forgiveness, all he has to do is to forgive those who offends him/her and then repent. The only place Jesus spoke of a sacrifice for sin was with respect to the Holy Communion as a new passover meal to commemorate his death. In celebrating the passover, the disciples were to feel positive about his death as the sign for the ushering in of a new covenant and the forgiveness of sins. It is more in relation to the passover story involving deliverance of Isreal.

The jewish Idea in the first century was not a single idea. Besides there was no Judaism ( as a religon) in the first century. There were various sects such as the Pharisees, Saducees, Essens, Zealots, and they all had varying beliefs. There were the Apocryphals, book of Enoch , and several jewish books that borrowed from Persian and Babylonian religions such as Zoorastianism and the likes. Zoorastians ( not sure I spelt that right) believed in dualism with stuff like Satan and Hellfire. These concepts were later used to interprete and translate the Christian bible, but the jesus of the first century shared almost similar beliefs or close beliefs to that of the Essens and Pharisees.

Truvel:
Pls, Stear Clear 4rm My Thread.

Truvel:
I Had An Open Vision. Note: Not A Dream Neither Was I Asleep. I Was Standing Infront Of A Latrine When A Lady I Knew Very Well Was Coming Towards Me To Use D Latrine. As She Was Coming Towards Me, When I Saw Her 4rm A Short Distant, She Had A Face Of An Old Woman, Her Face Was Totally Different 4rm Her Original Face, Which Kept Me Pondering Who Is Dis Old Woman? It Was After She Very Close To Me Dat Her Face Became Hers. Who Has An Idea Of What It Means?

efonat:
Its what's is inside that reflect your outside. Before u dress, u have thought it through. So therefore if ur inner man is sanctified, it will reflect on the outward man.

EmpressT:
Hmmmm.....I am not perfect but with time, I'll get used to this verse you pointed out.
I have always admire the teachings of Pastor Kumuyi, Mary K. Baxter and Kathryn Kulhman. I so much admire the courage and sincerity of these evangelists when preaching in accordance with the Word of God(i.e the Bible ).
We need more preachers, gospel singers and drama actors and actresses telling the world about God's Kingdom, Salvation and the Second Coming of Christ.
A person like me isn't moved by sermons preached on Prosperity because I will easily get bored.... I just don't know why. I love to listen to the mysteries about God and his spirituality. I love to see beyond the physical.

Deuteronomy 30 vs 15-20 (ERV)
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15. “Today I have given you a choice between life and death, success and disaster.
16. I command you today to love the Lord your God. I command you to follow him and to obey his commands, laws, and rules. Then you will live, and your nation will grow larger. And the Lord your God will bless you in the land that you are entering to take for your own.
17. But if you turn away from your God and refuse to listen, if you are led away to worship and serve other gods,
18. you will be destroyed. I am warning you today, if you turn away from God, you will not live long in that land across the Jordan River that you are ready to enter and take for your own.

19. “Today I am giving you a choice of two ways. And I ask heaven and earth to be witnesses of your choice. You can choose life or death. The first choice will bring a blessing. The other choice will bring a curse. So choose life! Then you and your children will live.
20. You must love the Lord your God and obey him. Never leave him, because he is your life. And he will give you a long life in the land that he, the Lord, promised to give to your ancestors—Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.”

professore:
What my pastor says is that, if there is a division as to if something is correct or wrong, it is better to take caution, assuming if wearing trouser is indeed wrong for women, will they ask God to please send them back to the Earth to make amendments? So my pastor decided that ladies should not wear trousers in our church... I think this is reasonable.

Goshen360:
Why is Kumuyi still holding onto the Mosaic (law) when the Messiah (Grace and Truth) already came by Jesus? How many of the laws in the Mosaic does Kumuyi still obey today?

Aidejay:
See me trying to convince myself to stay in Nigeria if presented with an opportunity to leave
God forbid me I will now be here living under this aura of HYPOCRITES me I will now become a church LovePeddler running from one church to another living life like a fugitive because some body has decided to dictate right living under the ideas of the will of God and not the will of God. God forbid that I let myself become like you people whose life revolves around bending people to your will or else threaten them with hell
Go forbid that I stay in this shit hole and dirty myself with your mass stupidity
Poverty is your identity yes poverty is
Live in bondage It fits you
Live in ignorance it fits you
Live in the old testament it fits you
Continue to bask in your joint foolishness
We will all die
And according to u
Everybody will go to hell because they don't believe you
sounds to me like u are d runner up for hell for trying to impose your madness on people
And those who are in your religious circle if they don't still abide by your specific principles are also going to hell

That is to say everybody is going to hell

sacx:
If only believers will understand that you can't mix the law and Grace together, all these back and forth bickering would be nonexistent. I'm afraid Pastor Kumuyi doesn't understand the gospel he claims to preach. I was their member once upon a time

sonmvayina:
You are not well, please see a psychaitrist....
For your own good..