₦airaland Forum

Was the N50 million ransom paid?

Abuventure:
thanks bro. but you have to understand that becoming born again has nothing to do with your body, it is of the spirit. For instance urge to sex is natural and being born again does not stop that. Romans 21:1 ... That ye present your bodies as living sacrifice,holy acceptable unto God... Paul was writing to born again Christians. 1Corinth9:27 But I keep under my body and bring it into subjection. Even Paul had to keep his body on check. Until one is dead he has to deal with lust of the flesh and no deliverance will stop that.i recommend you "how you can be lead by the spirit of God" by Kenneth hagin

I recommend instead that you read the Gospels where the teachings of Jesus Christ are found written so you can learn the Truth of God instead of the lies of men.

In John 8, Jesus Christ tells you that you can indeed overcome bondage to sin, even lust and the way to doing that is to learn His Truth and apply it -submit yourself to and obey the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ.

Lust, not sex, is a sin and can be overcome just the same way as unforgiveness can. It begins by and happens by your putting your Trust in the teachings of Jesus Christ, not the words and writings of men called Paul or Kenneth Hagin, and your obedience of the commandments as He, Jesus Christ, calls you to.

sarjam05:
I have been looking for answers 12 years long.
I wasn’t ready to be any demon’s pawn.
How do I communicate with the spirit or spirits?
My health is generally fine.
I want to get rid of the possession cause a positive possession shouldn’t cause any pains.

Why not ask your parents to help you get rid of it so you can go back and get a new one later on?

You did say that you felt relief when they prayed for you back then, maybe they can command it out or something now.

doffman:
Brother , I know bible more than you do ; I went to Christian school and am a Muslim .

That is the truth , Jesus preaches nothing different from other prophets . Show me in your Bible where he said he will die for you and save you with his blood . Forget all those lies people people said about him . JESUS NEVER TAUGHT YOU THAT .

Jesus Christ never said He will die for you, and He never said He will save you using His blood. Are you sure you were even a Christian to begin with?

You are a Muslim, well, I hope this time around you are working at reading the book for yourself rather than believing what other gullible lie people believe in that as well.

Myer:
Ok good to know.
In that case, you should agree with the concept of leadership in the church.

James 3. Speaks about the place of Teachers.
Jesus speaks about honoring prophets.
Paul speaks about the 5 fold ministry.

Then you should agree that God made some leaders in the church.

Remember what I said about God's Word is Law and God's Word being true and that no man can counter God's Word except God Himself? Also recall here that, Jesus Christ is the embodiment of the New Covenant Law of the Kingdom of God meaning His Word is Law.

So, We know that Jesus Christ, the Law, declared that it is a sin to set oneself up as a teacher over the others in His flock - this in agreement with God's decree through His prophets that He alone is Teacher over those in His flock. It then follows that anyone, including Paul and James, who does so, commits sin against God. In addition, anyone who teaches that it is ok to set oneself up as a teacher over God's flock also commits sin since that act is against the commandment which stipulates that we desist from teaching the doctrines and traditions of men.

Now as for "honoring" of Prophets, I don't see how that in any way means "prophets" are to set themselves up as teachers over self. So, you would need to explain that a bit more so I see what you see. Speaking of Prophets, did you know that in the New Covenant, the Kingdom of God, every born-again follower of Jesus Christ is a defacto prophet because God's Spirit lives inside of such, and He not only leads them but also speaks through such. So how would it work out if every born-again sets himself up as teachers over the other born-agains in the same flock?

Another example for you to consider is this. In their respective letters, Paul and John are said to have called themselves fathers over some in His Jesus Christ's flock. But we know that Jesus declared it a sin for anyone to call another man father or declare oneself father over those in His Kingdom. What this means is Paul and John are wrong by what they have done in their letters and anyone who indeed calls them "fathers" commits sin against God.
For an example of how God changes His Law, go to and read Ezekiel 18 from chapter 1. He swears by His Name and then goes into lengthy detail on what it is He is changing and how. He doesn't simply have men throw their opinions in the bucket to overwrite what He has declared.

God never made leaders for your churches which He never included in His Kingdom, to begin with. Your churches have no place in His Kingdom, as they were never part of His design for His New Covenant Law. Also, your churches are built of, and atop doctrines and traditions of men which Jesus Christ made clear were lies as far as the Truth of God is concerned. So, stop assuming them to be of God when they are not of Him.

seohubb:
watch and be charged!!

https://www.youc

Why?

LikeAking:
Guy, Jesus is not human.
I cant follow all his ways .

His disciples were human beings like you and many of them uneducated at that, yet they obeyed the very commandments of Jesus Christ that I posted there. Remember Stephen, from the Book of Acts of the Apostles?

So, if your life is too precious for you, then are you worthy of being a follower of Jesus Christ to begin with? Those who are not worthy waste their time with Him.

LikeAking:
iMAGINE implementing number 39 in Nigeria.
Never practice this part of Jesus Teachings.
Remember Jesus is not Human.

In the book of Acts, Jesus Christ's disciples are written to have practiced it and many of them died eventually.

If you think your life more precious than theirs, tell me, are you a follower of Jesus Christ or justa wannabe?

Jesus Christ told you that if you want to be worthy of Him, you have to be ready to loose your life. So if you do not understand that simple truth, what makes you think that you are one of His?

Myer:
I chose to stay with examples from the synoptic gospels knowing that's where your conviction is.

By the way, my conviction does not lie only with the synoptic gospels. No, I believe in God and every word out of God's mouth, not just that written of in the synoptic gospels.

As I have made it known before now, the bible is not the word of God but instead a book that contains the Word of God where the Word of God refers to every declaration directly attributed to God Himself(Jesus Christ included). In the same book, you will find written the words of men, demons and even Satan... so, yes, the book is not the Word or Truth of God. Instead Jesus Christ is the Word out of God's mouth, the Truth of God who has been there from the very beginning, even Genesis and onwards.

As for the views of men expressed in every book of the bible, we are provided a law, is found in both the Old and the New Covenants(similar) referred to in some translations as the law of 2 or 3 witnesses. The basics of the law is that by the accounts of 2 or 3 witnesses shall the truth be established.

Every view. In scripture, that is not the Word of God must be subjected to the test recomended by the law of 2 or 3 witnesses.

So every view that is not directly validated by the Word or God(God's word is always True, unless God Himself changes it), cannot be assumed true until it is certified backed by the accounts of 2 or 3 scriptural witnesses. If no witnesses are found, then that view is not a truth.

And I have applied this law to my reading of Biblical and none biblical scripture, and it opens scripture up to one in a different light.

So, I read all scripture but I know that not all that is written in scripture is True and hence not all scripture is the Word of God or holy. Only that which is of God is Holy and only that which comes from the mouth of God is True. The views/opinions of men written in scripture however are not true by default as they must be weighed first against the Word of God, and then considered against the testimonies of other witnesses in the case, that no match is found.

lexy2014:
Very good question. Which leads me to this:
"Earlier today, I decided to go out of my schedule to see my Children who God delivered from the den of the kidnappers..."

If it wasn't in his schedule to see d kidnappers, how come d kidnappers were well prepared in aso-ebi? For him to "go out of his schedule", he sounded like he did them a favour

ROFLMAO!!


Seriously, I would like to know if the N50 million ransom was paid or not!

LikeAking:
When Peter attacked the invaders and Jesus rebuked him.
Here is a man that can command fire from heaven.

If He had done that, would that not have revealed Him a fraud, since the same Jesus Christ taught His disciples the following...

Matthew 5 vs 38-48 (ERV)
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
38. “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.’[i]
39. But I tell you, don’t fight back against someone who wants to do harm to you. If they hit you on the right cheek, let them hit the other cheek too.
40. If anyone wants to sue you in court and take your shirt, let them have your coat too.
41. If a soldier forces you to walk with him one mile,[j] go with him two.
42. Give to anyone who asks you for something. Don’t refuse to give to anyone who wants to borrow from you.
43. “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[k] and hate your enemy.’
44. But I tell you, love your enemies. Pray for those who treat you badly.
45. If you do this, you will be children who are truly like your Father in heaven. He lets the sun rise for all people, whether they are good or bad. He sends rain to those who do right and to those who do wrong.
46. If you love only those who love you, why should you get a reward for that? Even the tax collectors do that.
47. And if you are nice only to your friends, you are no better than anyone else. Even the people who don’t know God are nice to their friends.
48. What I am saying is that you must be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.

...?

LikeAking:
Me and you know that Jesus could have averted his death.
He mentioned his angels on guard to execute the mission.
But He was too nice, soft, etc. Same problem still predates Christianity till date.

Again, Jesus Christ forgave them when He was already on the cross, not before, so your assertion that His forgiving Spirit is the reason for His death holds no water.

LikeAking:
If you will follow all the teachings of Jesus, be ready for the out come.
This life is merciless.We are in a very wicked world.
How many people have offended you badly and asked for forgiveness?
Think about it.People her heartless.

People die every day for one reason or another. No one knows how or when his time will come. The key is to live this life the best way possible and since Jesus Christ is it, it behooves one to ensure that every moment alive is made to count for what is to come.

doffman:

This is your personal thinking not a fact.
Jesus does not have key to paradise. Stop your thinking and embrace the fact that Jesus cannot help you and also he can't help those those that come before him.
Jesus came only to preach same thing what other prophets have been preaching to their people about God oneness.

Not my potential anything! It is the Truth!
I see you have never in fact read the Book since you assume Jesus Christ preached the same thing that the Prophets before Him did.
Go and read the book for yourself... it is all translated to the English language so you can pick up the basics using human language comprehension skills. Then come back when you are sure of what is written in there to discuss what you think then.

Myer:
I must beg to disagree with your interpretation of Feeding his sheep.
It was a specific instruction to Peter while other Apostles were seated together with him and Jesus Christ.

If you followed their relationship, Jesus was always grooming Peter to lead.
Jesus loved John above all yet he chose Peter to lead after him.

I know of the doctrine that suggests Jesus Christ positioned Peter as lead over His flock but the facts don't point to that at all.
We should recall that prior to John 21, Peter had endured testing by Satan....

Luke 22 vs 31-34 (ERV)
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
31. “Satan has asked to test you men like a farmer tests his wheat. O Simon, Simon,[c]
32. I have prayed that you will not lose your faith! Help your brothers be stronger when you come back to me.”
33. But Peter said to Jesus, “Lord, I am ready to go to jail with you. I will even die with you!”
34. But Jesus said, “Peter, before the rooster crows tomorrow morning, you will say you don’t know me. You will say this three times.”

... he failed three times.
On that fateful "John 21" morning, when Jesus Christ had appeared to His disciples, back from the dead, He perfomed for them a miracle, and prepared and fed them breakfast that sam morning. Yes, Jesus Christ cooked and fed His uneducated fishermen bunch breakfast, right before that conversation He had with Peter.

So, after breakfast, Peter approaches Jesus Christ, probably to beg for forgiveness but Jesus Christ took charge, instructing Peter, a fisherman, called as a fisher of men, who had just been fed breakfast by His Master, and only Shepherd, to "feed His sheep" and "take case of His sheep". Do you think Peter would not have clearly understood the message given Him by His Master, whom He had walked with and studied under for over 3 years at that point?

Myer:
You do remember his declaration to Peter upon his revelation that Jesus is the Messiah?
Matthew 16:18-19
And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.
And I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”

Yes, and the Keys of the Kingdom of Heaven which was handed to Peter in John 21, by Jesus Christ, is instruction to do works of Righteousness, the same works listed in Matthew 25 vs 31-40 - no one can enter into Heaven without doing those works, you are told.

The Rock(Righteousness) on which the Church of God is built is the same that Peter, and the apostles, are recorded to have worked out in the first few chapters of the Book of Acts. Also, Jesus Christ didn't exactly declare that Peter, the man, was in fact the rock.

We know from God in Ezekiel 34 that His flock is maintained by those works - the feeding and caring of them all - the same works of righteousness are mentioning in Ezekiel 34 by God - works He accomplishes through His Spirit who He installs in all those who belongs to Him in His Covenant.

From Ezekiel 36, we are made to see that the Spirit of God is install inside of His followers to control us, making us to obey and do God's Will.

NwekeUG:
General Overseer of the Redeemed Christian Church of God (RCCG), Pastor E.A. Adeboye visited Governor El-Rufai in Kaduna State today April 13 and also visited RCCG church members who were freed after they were recently abducted in the state, IgbereTV reports.
The RCCG members were travelling on the church’s bus for an Easter programme when they were ambushed and kidnapped along Kachia-Kafanchan highway on March 27.

50 Million Naira no be chicken change!

LikeAking:
Oga calm down.
The forgiving spirit of Jesus lead to his death.
If u will follow all the teachings of Jesus be ready to die like him.

The forgiving spirit of Jesus Christ did not lead to His death. He was already on the cross when He declared that the Father forgive those who sent them there.
Was John the Baptist's forgiving spirit responsible for leading him, John the Baptist, to his death?

As for being ready to die like Jesus Christ, what is wrong with dying? We all die eventually, some sooner than others... some in far more gruesome ways than others, regardless of belief, race, lifestyle, culture, and age.

Myer:
How do you explain Jesus being a Master?

God is God of Laws, and Jesus Christ is God's New Covenant Law of the Kingdom of God.

John 1 vs 1- 5 (ESV)
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1. Before the world began, the Word[a] was there. The Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2. He was there with God in the beginning.
3. Everything was made through him, and nothing was made without him.
4. In him there was life, and that life was a light for the people of the world.
5. The light[b] shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not defeated[c] it.

Jesus Christ is God's "human avatar" whom He, God, used in bringing to bring His New agreement to the Lost sheep of Israel, and the Nation of the world.
Jesus Christ is Master over all those who are followers of the New Covenant which is He.

Myer:
How do you explain Jesus telling Peter to feed his sheep after he's gone?

What Jesus Christ told Peter to do on that day was the same thing He commanded all of those who will enter into His Kingdom to do, if they want to enter into the Kingdom of Heaven in the end.

John 21 vs 15-17 (ERV)
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
15. When they finished eating, Jesus said to Simon Peter, “Simon, son of John, do you love me more than these other men love me?”
Peter answered, “Yes, Lord, you know that I love you.”Then Jesus said to him, “Take care of my lambs.[c]”
16. Again Jesus said to him, “Simon, son of John, do you love me?”
Peter answered, “Yes, Lord, you know that I love you.” Then Jesus said, “Take care of my sheep.”
17. A third time Jesus said, “Simon, son of John, do you love me?”
Peter was sad because Jesus asked him three times, “Do you love me?” He said, “Lord, you know everything. You know that I love you!”
Jesus said to him, “Take care of my sheep.

In Matthew, Jesus Christ provides details on the works that those who will enter into His Kingdom will do...

Matthew 25 vs 31-40 (ESV)
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
31. “The Son of Man will come again with divine greatness, and all his angels will come with him. He will sit as king on his great and glorious throne.
32. All the people of the world will be gathered before him. Then he will separate everyone into two groups. It will be like a shepherd separating his sheep from his goats.
33. He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
34. “Then the king will say to the godly people on his right, ‘Come, my Father has great blessings for you. The kingdom he promised is now yours. It has been prepared for you since the world was made.
35. It is yours because when I was hungry, you gave me food to eat. When I was thirsty, you gave me something to drink. When I had no place to stay, you welcomed me into your home.
36. When I was without clothes, you gave me something to wear. When I was sick, you cared for me. When I was in prison, you came to visit me.’
37. “Then the godly people will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and give you food? When did we see you thirsty and give you something to drink?
38. When did we see you with no place to stay and welcome you into our home? When did we see you without clothes and give you something to wear?
39. When did we see you sick or in prison and care for you?’
40. “Then the king will answer, ‘The truth is, anything you did for any of my people here, you also did for me.’

In case you missed it;

Feed my sheep
- give them food when they are hungry
- give them a drink when they are thirsty
Take Care of my sheep
- when they are homeless, home them
- when they are naked, clothe them
- when they are sick, care for them
- when they are in prison, visit them.

Every one of His followers, under the influence of the Spirit of God, is led by Him to the doing of works of righteousness -the Will of God.

Myer:
I chose to stay with examples from the synoptic gospels knowing that's where your conviction is.

Sure, always!

ProsperoTrading:
Never said God, Jesus whichever one you choose is responsible.

All I want us to know is that we shouldn't judge or condemn anyone. It's not our job

You said God deals with people, did you not? Which God?

Who judged whom? If I point out that this man is a fake pastor by the standards set by Jesus Christ Himself, are you saying God will deal with me for telling the truth?

ProsperoTrading:
I never said Jesus is responsible

You think God is different God from the one Jesus Christ showed and taught you of?

Jesus Christ told you that He is the one to judge and He will not judge until after His return, so how did you come about believing that this gale's supposed illness is some punishment from God?

ProsperoTrading:
When God deals with you, no one can save you, not even a pastor.
In fact God can instruct the man of God not to pray for you.
Never speak against a man of God,

I am afraid you have been reading your bible upside down.

Jesus Christ told you that He came to save, not condemn. So to say that Jesus Christ is responsible for what the girl is supposedly dealing with is to admit you are clueless about God.

If Jesus Christ could forgive the sins of those who tortured and killed Him, why would He turn around and attack this gal in anyway or form?

LeeSantos:
Now I understand you. Thought u Wer of the op that makes it a sin.

We are saying same thing.

Ok..

LeeSantos:
It's for those person who are heavenly conscious and they miss out everything. Heaven is by grace. You lie bout in Abuja, but u are in Lagos. That alone sef can make one lose heaven.

They shouldn't come and put fear in the heart of other. On the end evryone and his judgement. Our parents or friends salvation can not take both persons to heaven. Salvation is personal..

You have your own encounter with God. other will get thiers. And stop preaching only one side of the Bible.

There is no one side of the Bible....there is one God and that one God NEVER declared that Alcohol, or the Drinking of it, is a sin. So if God has not declared it a sin... why assume it is a sin still? undecided

Why do you try to add comandments/rules where God Himself has given none? Jesus Christ also never made alcohol a sin, nor did He set it as criteria for entering into Heaven. So why believe claims that suggest it is? undecided

perezeghi:
You need to read your Bible very well and with all manner of openness to get to the understanding which is Biblical and which is not.

The Scripture is there for all to read. What you make out of it is how you'll apply to your daily living.

Shalom.

What part of it am I supposed to read now?

What part of what I stated in my post there do you think does not align with the scripture as it stands?

I continue to repeat to repeat what Jesus Christ said, "If you love me, you will obey my teachings/commandments " .... what about it does not align with His teachings?

LeeSantos:
Isaiah 64:6
[6]For we have all become like one who is unclean [ceremonially, like a leper], and all our righteousness (our best deeds of rightness and justice) is like filthy rags or a polluted garment; we all fade like a leaf, and our iniquities, like the wind, take us away [far from God's favor, hurrying us toward destruction]. [Lev. 13:45, 46.]
Make God help you

I fail to see how this verse play in this.

God Never declared alcohol, and the drinking of alcohol in neither of His Old Covenant(YHWH) nor His New Covenant(Jesus Christ), so bring up verses that have to do with Sin?

Valkrie:
That is because he has no idea what's wrong with the girl and stylishly avoid exposing himself as fraud...if he said he forgives her people would be looking forward to him healing her and that's a big problem for him...

No mind am!

flamingREED:
Ada Jesus should renounce worldliness and fear and give herself to Jesus.

There are many pastors who can pray for her just over the phone and she'll be healed.

Why does she first have to renounce "worldliness" before she can be healed by Jesus Christ?

sonmvayina:
But that is the general consensus..God sent his son to die, because man commits sin..
I dont see any where it says so in the old testament. I really dont know where the romans/greeks got the idea from.

The jewish idea is that there is only one power or God in the universe, who was responsible for both good and evil. Isaiah 45:1-7..The jews just like everyone understands the concept of the singularity of a dual concept. I really dont know why the romans elevated the devil to a dual opposite of God. Making him independent and having a will of his own outside the will of God. I find this a big insult..

I guess when christianity is really traced, the deceiver will really be at the centre of it...(for those who want further research, Inanna is the deceiver).

Here's a clue. The only way to fulfill the Old Covenant requirement was to attain righteousness and then die afterwards , a righteous man.

Well, Jesus Christ fulfilled the requirements of the Old Covenant Law - He died a righteous sinless man so that all those of the blood of Jacob, who were still sinners
and would would leave the Old way for the New path He had for came to bring would be imparted with His Righteousness and His Death, bringing to an end the hold of the Old Law on them, at the same time maintaining there place in the promise of the Old Covenant while they seek the New Covenant promises instead.

Jesus Christ's death was what I call inevitable and necessary for 2 good reasons. First, most every other prophet before Him was murdered. John the Baptist, the last of them and all He did was preach repentance to a sinful woman to get his head lobbed off. So Jesus Christ came ready to die at the hands of the same thugs. I mean He came in the name of God preaching a departure from the Old way - some would say He was begging to be killed.

Second, in order for His mission to the lost sheep of Israel to be made complete, He had to die. The fulfillment of the Old Covenant made that necessary so that through His death, the lost of Sheep of Israel can gain victory over the Old Covenant as they are ushered into a New one with God. So, for the sake of the Lost Sheep, Jesus Christ needed to die.

Third, for His New Covenant to apply to those of other nations -the gentiles, born dead to the Law by God's design. He had to rise from the dead. This was so that through His resurrection, He imparts the Life that He is to those previously condemned to death since Adam by God's judgment against those who do not know oe believe in Him. In So, For the sake of the Nations, Jesus Christ had to die. So He came knowing and prepared to die.

Jesus Christ had to die so that He could live instead through His followers. They become His body and force by which His work to to continue from generation to generation, all of them of course, driven by Him through submission and obedience to the Law of God.

His blood - the blood of the Covenant - was shed for the forgiveness of the sins of those who belong in His New Covenant. Pretty much since it was to be shed anyways, why not. After all He was a sinless man ...God's own avatar, the Law, and the King Himself in the Kingdom of God so His blood was perfect for the job.

So, in a sense, He died for the sinners, those of the blood of Jacob - He came to call the sinners and not the righteous among them. Though they come to Him, the New Covenant, as Old Law sinners, through impartation of His own Righteousness and His own Death upon them, they are made righteous where the old Law is concerned and dead to it, but give His Life in the New Covenant.

So it has nothing to do with blood sacrifices or human ones as you imagine on altars and what not. His sacrifice is of a different kind entirely.

Praxis758:
Denomination matters in the Kingdom. There were 7 churches (denominations) in the Asia minor that Jesus acknowledged. You can't claim not to belong to any denomination.

ROFLMAO!


I had to laugh hard there... So, tell me, where, in the teachings of Jesus Christ, the Truth of God, which you are called to accept(trust) and obey, do you get that your denominations matter?

And off to the side here, of the over 40,000 denominations out there, how do resolve them all down to 7 of your choice there?

sonmvayina:
So what is your business with jesus? Why not follow the religion of your ancestors ? Why do you prefer the idol created by Rome?

Are you using a script or something?

Praxis758:
First of, which denomination do you belong to? (I mean your worship centre)

I said I don't subscribe to any of that since I have one and only one Teacher....God Himself...

Jeremiah 31 vs 31-34 (ERV)
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
31. “Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, 32. not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the Lord.
33. For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34. And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”

Hence the reason why Jesus Christ instructed His followers against setting themselves up as teachers over His other followers...

Matthew 23 vs 8-12
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
8. But you are not to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all brothers.[c]
9. And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven.
10. Neither be called instructors, for you have one instructor, the Christ.
11. The greatest among you shall be your servant.
12. Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.

So forget about your denominations and your churches and deal here in the only Note of value where the Kingdom of God is concerned - The Word of God.

sarjam05:
The ritual was done in 2008 if i am precise. I know that I’m possess with some sort of surreal life. I don’t know what it is. The spiritual cannot be straight answered like we have in the academia. 1 +1 is 2 but in the spiritual 1 + 1 is infinity. God for example is different things to so many people so that each individual in the world can define him in so many complex ways and there would never be an end. This is where faith comes in but I don’t want to derail. I know what I experienced and it is real. If that woman didn’t tell me of this awful side effect. I say awful cause it was terrible and something I needed for positivity shouldn’t come with so much pain and hurt. She can’t possibly give me any reasonable answer rather than luring me into a web of more problems. I also had a Christian background and some Christian knowledge on the devices of the enemy and his subtle tactics. I want ready to be any demon’s pawn. I cannot state in a scientific method how the power works. It’s not like you press the light switch and it comes on. It’s a whole different levels. More like hexes and curses. People place them but don’t know what circumstances they would play out. I know what I felt and it is real. I wonder why no one else amongst the multitude on Nairaland is responding. I just want to know what exactly was done that fateful day and not what she said was done. People deceive.

You did it back in 2008?
Why are you only now declaring the 12-year experience an awful one? Did something change recently? Or have you been looking for answers all those 12 years since?

So, you went in ready to become a demon's pawn and you got exactly what you expected, it seems. Have you tried directly communicating with the spirits you claim are on the inside of you... you know build some sort of rapport to better understand them and their workings?

I should probably ask... other than the "spiritual" complaints, how is your health?

So, are you looking to getting rid of the possession, or is your plan to keep it but gain a better understanding by asking others about their experiences? If that is the case, then how can you rely on what you are told when it is possible they have never experienced the same demon species that currently haunts you?

perezeghi:
We only have one life here on earth.
Scripture says in all your getting, get understanding. In all that we seek let us seek that which will give us optimum fruits at 100.

And according to Jesus Christ, the Only Way to do that is through submitting to and obeying His Truth every moment of every day of that one life we have. Hence the reason why I believe it has to do with time and effort on our part ... not some magical interference and definitely not that some are destined to only produce 30 or 60 while a select few are chosen to produce 100 - that idea is not biblical at all.

There is no other way.. to be happy in Jesus Christ, but to TRUST AND OBEY!