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malvisguy212:
the bible say God created All things for himself,including us ,and All this was to glorified Him:
Romans 11:36
36 For from him and through him and
to him are all things. To him be glory
forever. Amen.
And the bible also say "we are created in His pleasure" so it may be hard to see how falling into sin bring the glory of God.

The purpose of God creating us is to love him or reject him, Since everything else God planted in the garden was GOOD,the NATURAL choice of something to choose from would be knowledge of evil. God had to give Adam and Eve a choice. Without free will to choose, Adam and Eve would have been mere puppets. True love always requires choice.

we are led to the following conclusions:

1. The fall of mankind was foreknown by
God.
2. The crucifixion of Christ, the
atonement for God’s elect, was foreordained by God.
3. All people will one day glorify God
( Psalm 86:9), and God purposes “to bring unity to all things in heaven and on earth under Christ”( Ephesians 1:10).
God’s purpose was to create a world in
which His glory could be manifest in all
its fullness. The glory of God is the
overarching goal of creation. In fact, it is
the overarching goal of everything He
does. The universe was created to
display God’s glory ( Psalm 19:1), and the wrath of God is revealed against those who fail to glorify God ( Romans 1:23). The world that best displays the glory of God is the world we have a world that was allowed to fall, a world that was redeemed, a world that will be restored to its original perfection.

God’s wrath and God’s mercy display the
riches of His glory, but we cannot see
either without the fall of mankind.

Is there a point in this story where we will be told to drink salt water and bath with it to prevent Ebola? Im very sure you were one of those that used salt for bathing and drinking during Ebola crises.
How gullible and easily manipulated humans are!

malvisguy212:
The New Testament says that Jesus is our
sacrificial Lamb. The Passover lamb was
to be a "male without defect,"
Exodus 12:5
The animals you choose must be
year-old males without DEFECT, and
you may take them from the sheep
or the goats.
Jesus forestshadowing this sacrifice in
the new testament:
1Peter 1:18-19
For you know that it was not with
perishable things such as silver or
gold that you were redeemed from
the empty way of life handed down
to you from your forefathers, but
with the precious blood of Christ,A
LAMB WITHOUT BLEMISH OR DEFECT.
In addition, when the lamb was roasted
and eaten, NONE OF ITS BONES WERE TO
BE BROKEN. This fact was also
prophesized for the Messiah, whose
bones were not to be broken:
Exodus 12:46
"It must be eaten inside one house;
take none of the meat outside the
house. DO NOT BREAK ANY OF THE
BONES.
Again our Lord Jesus christ
forestshadowing this event:
John 19:32, 33, 36
The soldiers therefore came, and
broke the legs of the first man, and
of the other man who was crucified
with Him; but coming to Jesus, when
they saw that He was already dead,
THEY DID NOT BREAK HIS LEGS ;... For
these things came to pass, that the
Scripture might be fulfilled, "Not a
bone of Him shall be broken."
Psalm 34:20
He keeps all his bones; not one of
them is broken.
https://www.nairaland.com/2470199/how-passover-reveals-jesus-christ

Nice conspiracy theory!
Maybe this will convince more fools to keep believing and accepting this crap as true.

winner01:
When Moses had proclaimed every commandment of the law to all the people, he took the blood of calves, together with water, scarlet wool and branches of hyssop, and sprinkled the scroll and all the people. He said, “This is the blood of the covenant, which God has commanded you to keep.” In the same way, he sprinkled with the blood both the tabernacle and everything used in its ceremonies. In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness ( Hebrews 9:19-22 ).

Both the Old and New Covenants were put into effect by blood. The blood proved the death, thereby enforcing and enacting the will of the one who died ( Hebrews 9:17 ). Leviticus 17:11 explains why the blood was used, “For the life of a creature is in the blood, and I have given it to you to make atonement for yourselves on the altar; it is the blood that makes atonement for one’s life” ( Leviticus 17:11 ). So it was necessary for both Covenants to be ushered in by blood, because first it proved the death because the blood is the life force. And secondly, it was given for atonement. So without it, there could be no forgiveness for sins.

Jesus’ blood was shed to usher in the New Covenant. His blood proved that a death had occurred thereby enacting His last will and testament . His blood was the price necessary for this will to come to pass, in other words, it put this covenant into effect. The New Covenant is not only the will of Jesus, whose blood ushered it in, it is also the will of God. Throughout Jesus’ time on earth He said over and over that His will was to do the will of the Father ( John 6:38 ). He stressed that what He said was only what the Father told Him to say ( John 8:28 ) and He did only what He saw the Father do ( John 5:19 ). His words and teachings were not His own but from the One who sent Him ( John 7:16 ). In fact John 6:38 summarizes this very nicely, “For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me” ( John 6:38 ). The writer of Hebrews starts chapter 1 by declaring that Jesus is the exact representation of God the Father ( Hebrews 1:3 ). Since they are one and the same, we can see that Jesus’ blood was the life force that was able to usher in the will of God, which was the New Covenant.

Not only did Jesus’ blood prove the death and put the Covenant into effect. Part of the New Covenant that God spoke of through the prophets included the forgiveness of sins ( Jeremiah 31:31-34, Isaiah 54:13, Hebrews 8:8-12, Hebrews 10:16-18 ). Leviticus 17:11 says the life force is in the blood and this is used as a means for atonement. So Jesus’ blood served multiple purposes, it enacted the Will of the Covenant and it was the cleansing agent for sin. If no blood was shed, there couldn’t be any forgiveness for sins.

The Vines Dictionary of New Testament Words brings clarification to this point. There are two words used for blood in Hebrews 9. The first one is haima , which has many meanings, but in this case it denotes the blood of sacrificial victims ( Hebrews 9:7 ). “The "blood" of Christ, which betokens His death by the shedding of His "blood" in expiatory sacrifice; to drink His "blood" is to appropriate the saving effects of His expiatory death, John 6:53. As "the life of the flesh is in the blood," Lev 17:11, and was forfeited by sin, life eternal can be imparted only by the expiation made, in the giving up of the life by the sinless Savior” (Vines Dictionary). In other words, life had been forfeited because of sin, which is why Jesus’ life was given so that He, as a sinless man, could impart eternal life through this sacrifice. Jesus himself said this, “I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you . Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day” ( John 6:53-54 ). Our life was forfeited because of sin, but Jesus’ blood was shed to forgive and restore us to a state as if we had never sinned in the first place ( II Corinthians 5:21, Hebrews 9:12, Hebrews 9:26, Hebrews 10:10, Hebrews 10:12, Hebrews 10:14, Hebrews 10:18).

The second word for blood used in Hebrews 9:22 is haimatekchysia, which means the “shedding of blood”, to pour out. Jesus didn’t just give His blood, He let it flow freely. In fact, it didn’t stop until every last drop had been given. He was poured out unto death, which is what Isaiah prophesied about Him, “Therefore I will give him a portion among the great, and he will divide the spoils with the strong, because he poured out his life unto death, and was numbered with the transgressors. For he bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors” ( Isaiah 5:3:12 ). His life force completely covered, cleansed and annulled sin. Our lives had been forfeited because of sin, however His blood completely reversed the effect of sin so that we could experience eternal life.

Jesus understood this which is why He spoke these words while reclining at the table with His disciples at the last supper. “Then he took the cup, gave thanks and offered it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins” ( Matthew 26:27-28 ). He knew the price to bring us to the Father and His own words testify to the fact that He would let the blood flow freely. He knew His blood would usher in the covenant and it would completely and utterly blot out and destroy the effects and stains of sins.

His perfect blood was shed to usher in both the New Covenant and the forgiveness of sins. Neither one could be accomplished without it which is why He freely gave himself to the will of God. Jesus accomplished what we could not and because of His sacrifice we have been forgiven, freed and offered eternal life through the person of Jesus Christ.
God bless you.

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What guarantee do you have that after going to heaven and God has destroyed the sinners that this cycle of sinning and forgiveness by shedding of blood will not continue?
Since Adam and Eve were created as perfect humans without sin yet somehow they sinned,how much more we who have tasted sin alot. this means that the second we get into heaven this sacrifice will be required ten fold because im sure humans will always find a way to screw things up even if you turn them into spirits.
I assume that your God did not think of this when he was making his foolish plans for eternity.
How come this your God threw satan and his demons down to earth to surfer you when there were other planets for satan to be chased into.
Are you sure that this God loves you at all?
I can remember that the reason for throwing satan down was because God could no longer endure him and his transgressions. If God being almighty and powerful could not endure satan, how much more we humans who are feeble and weak?
Abeg make we try to de think small before we accept every nonsense they shove down our throats.
Seriously religion is nonsense.

musKeeto:
Exactly my point. god was so angry with us, his son sacrificed himself to appease him.

The son was willing to lose his life(temporarily) to appease his father, and in turn got a 'name above all names'.

What a story. It's the year 2015 and someone is trying to convince me that this universe is all about a Jewish carpenter and three nails.

Your stories require FAITH because they do not stand up to reason. That's why you call them mysteries; you barely understand them too.

You've absorbed stories written by Jewish cavemen who had little knowledge about the world they lived in. Sadly, you've believed their stories to be true. Ordinarily, you wouldn't take those stories serious.
Do you really believe, BY GOOD REASON, that a talking snake convinced a woman to ignore the commands of her creator?
Do you believe that a man was swallowed by a fish and spent 3 days in its belly?
Today, if you handed over 5 loaves of bread and 2 fishes to me, and I somehow multiply it tenfold, comr give you may you chop, you go chop?

you just said it all here. Im always happy reading and seeing that there are still Nigerians who think with their brains and not allow fear of nonsense and nothing rule their lives just because some foolish normadic men told them stories about how men lived up to 900 years old and how the same God who loves them will burn them in fire if they dont listen. we humans who are wicked cant even imagine burning our kids because they sinned unless we are psychotic. This God wey no dey exist self no deserve respect self.

What a slow topic to discuss. "Without the shedding of blood,there is no forgiveness.
so your own parents forgive you only when someone sheds their blood. What a bunch of slow fkups.

so you want to tell me that your fairy tale almighty God who created the whole universe out of nothing and made man with his words alone could not forgive your sins or better still abolish sin forever without shedding the blood of someone innocent. Foolish people! You religious touts should all get a heavy spanking to bring some reasoning into your silly brains.

the shedding of blood sounds exactly like the kind of sacrifice African idols require during rituals.
Please people, you guys are homo sapiens,you are supposed to be smart, not as wally and gullible as your ape grand parents or the neanderthal man from long ago.
You have an enlarged frontal brain lobe for a reason; think with it you slow saps.

What a bunch of sorry excuses for modern man.

such a pity you have found yourself in such a state. But i have to be honest with you, praying and hoping that the so-called God will help you will break your heart even more because you will keep believing and hoping for God to change your condition for the better but all you shall get is bigger disappointments. Hoping in God is as useless as trying to move a car with your eyes alone. There has never been a God and absolutely will never be now. Just be strong and accept your situation and work as hard as you can because help will always come only when you raise your hand for it. Dont listen to people talking B.S about relationship with God blah bla ba.....

to the religious troll who writes thoughtless comments about where god made mistakes in the bible and where he or it disappointed anyone who puts their trust in him. you muust be too blind or too slow to see the answers urself.

Read Genesis 6:6. Your bible said god regreted creating man. when u have regrets it means youve made mistakes.

1kings 19:4-14. elijah got his fair share of disappointment here and even asked to die.

common mehn, the bible is full of sh1t for real. imagine telling u that men lived up to 900 years old then when life expectancy was low. no medical care,wild animals roaming everywhere,barbaric men killing each other and their useless wars. ask urself why it was only in the bible that people lived for that long. Why dont man live up to even 300 years now? These lies are too obvious, its not even worth arguing. just ask urself the questions and the answers will show up.

you dont need to study rocket science to know that the story of Jonah was total bull honkey. for Gods(lol) sake how did he breath inside the fish belly for that long. oh its a miracle, i know its ur easiest escape. Then by that miracle logic one should be able to pray and a cellphone appears from nothing.
Grow up people, there is definitely no God and the bible is the last book you should go to if u seek answers.

Wanna make a christian stutter? Ask them to explain what Their almighty Jesus meant when he was telling his followers in Luke 19:27. "But i tell you truly,there are some standing here who shall not taste death til they see the kingdom of God." Those people have all died a long time ago and yet the kingdom is held up in a heavy traffic.
Judges 1:19 shows how powerless this God is. Just read it.
Leviticus 21:16-24. This is the most disturbing amongst these three ive cited here. Here God instructs moses to tell Aaron that any man with defects including dwarfism,eye problems,short limbs,hunch back etc should not approach his alter. and that if they approach this alter they will profane it beacause they have defects. imagine a God who rejects his "perfect" creature and labels them defected.

I was born into a family of Jehovahs Witnesses! Thank God(lol) im 5 feet tall. I prayed all day and wept all night for god to make me grow an inch more but nothing happened until i was 23 years old and nothing still happened. I knew i am short because of my genetic make-up but i was always taught from the bible that God works miracles so i tried to pray my way out of dwarfism. After prayer showed me how useless and absolutely time wasting it is, my reason kicked in and all these questions started popping up every second in my head and i had answers to them at once. These answers were too convincing,obvious,common sense,reasonable and most of all trruth as they were all practicle even during arguments with over zealous religious folks.i lost every fear of the so-called God and religion. I became free and happy. I accepted my size as an example of God not creating man in his image which should be be only pretty or ugly, tall or short, white or black but not both at once. If God created us in his image whence comes variations in intelligence,physiological appearance etc. I never hid my disbelief in God at all, not to anyone. This came with alot of stigmatization and hatred from people that i gave reasons for my way of thought even when i present arguments with strong points and evidence. Most of them said that im a mad man. I kept asking how somehow who rejects believe in something that is not tangible and has no proof of existence whatsoever could be mad while adults who believe in a bearded old man living in the sky whom theyve never encountered in any way let alone seen are the sane ones. Its inconcievable how retarded childhood indoctrination has made man. Im a very proud ATHEIST. Its not easy to break free from the shackles of religion especially the unnecesary fear that God who is not even real will punish us if we leave his religion.

huh, what a bunch of morons. in the beginning god created the heavens and the earth(yet somehow he lives in the same heaven). maybe, just maybe he lived in another place created by a bigger god than he is before that "beginning". you religious fools deny the fact that life as we know it is here by chance(the big bang and cosmic dust playing a great role) but u somehow believe that ur imaginary and all mighty god can exist by the same chance u refuse to accept. you believe that there is an invisible being in the sky who sees all ur activities and gives u a bunch of rules to follow. if u fail to follow them, he punishes u forever in eternal fire where u will weep and grind ur teeth forever and ever. yet, "he loves you". are you guys this stupid or are my the only one who sees through these stupid lies written in ur so_called holy book? religion in its entirety is total crap full of fairy tales that should be accepted by kids below 10 years old.Regretably,most adults all over Africa accept these crap as true and real. BREAKING NEWS!!!! YOUR GOD DOES NOT EXIST! thanks for pointing the story of cain and abel. when god expelled cain from the land of his birth, cain told god that anyone who sees him there will kill him. wtf, who would see him? there were only 4 persons alive at that time(adam,eve,cain and the slained abel). oh and God also threw satan away from heaven to earth and cursed the earth. this further demonstrates his all mighty love for religious idiots. didnt god remember to throw the devil into another galaxy or planet like jupiter,or mars etc where the devil wont hurt man considering that the devil is more powerful than man. imagine how much trouble the devil gave his creator(god) who is almighty, how much more could a mere mortal man survive that devil,yet god with his all_knowing stupidity decided to give man a great gift, the devil. if that your god couldnt stand living with the devil, how can a man do what his creator couldnt do(living with the devil)? please people, grow some rational thoughts in your heads. dont just accept any crap you are fed.