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comodo:
Guy u no dey tire for this your double starndard ranting here and there. Lookmas change of federation was officially activated in January 2020. https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/10823062/england-ademola-lookman-nigeria-swap-fifa/
This has been explained to you over and over again. In the British Nationality within FiFA nationalities there are 4 main Nations. England, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales. How they handle the issue of Nationality switch within them is well explained. But how they deal with Nationality switch to outside the 4 Nations i cannot lay my fingers on. Please i think its high time you stop this your, They applied for Nationality switch 2 years ago. Showing interest is one. Applying for a switch is another. Officially Lookman started his this year.

Absolutely NOTHING HAS BEEN EXPLAINED or any substantive explanation given. Beyond " beer parlour" assumptive notions with zero validity.

What is the CORE SUBSTANCE of this particular discussion. The TIME sequence to complete a simple non contentious FIFA switch of allegiance.

Your reference to 4 nation consent is TOTAL RUBBISH. Where are you getting these NONSENSICAL Notions from.

The onus is on the NFF to make an official applications for change of allegiance to the English FA, there is a procedure.

There is no basis for any contention or refusal particularly with no objections from the English FA.. Then it's essentially rubber stamp process and should not take more than 14 days.

The question is, has the NFF completed all due diligence. Because there is absolutely no reason why a non contentious switch should take more than 28 days.

Karlovich:
Onomah dropped from Fulham's 25 Premier league squad list for the 2020/2021 season.

Unfortunate injury.

smartsmith0907:
They have alot to gain both buhari and obaseki knows if this protest go on they will surely lose their office so they have to bring in the armies to stop this they can't bring in army to a peaceful protest so they have to hire thugs to mispaint the protest and it has worked so far.Now soldier don dey Edo
Everywhere is red nau
I can't travel from abuja to Lagos
Have been stranded since last week.
Lagos too is on fire
Police stations were burnt by thugs today also Lekki toll gate is blocked.

To buttress your point substantiate your deductions.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYlf3SntrUE

humility33:
You still can't think oga

It is glaring that the APC did that probably to discredit the protesters and to make the state ungovernable for the governor

Use your head nah haba

This video tells a story.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYlf3SntrUE

Karlovich:
I'm done with you bro regarding this matter, continue chasing clout.

You are done.

Because you have failed to substantiate your position or rather your opinion.

You rely on HEARSAY.

So you have no other option to KEEP QUITE and run away.

solonnachi:
I just read that English fans are clamouring for Lookman to be called up to the three lions after his scintillating game for Fulham at the weekend wowed English fans. Southgate has been told to go for him. Let's get ready for another England - Nigeria tussle.

Tosin Adarabioyo switch too should quickly be done.

I doubt he will change.

However, if he did, will you blame him, the double-standard standard within the NFF is nauseating.

Kevin Akpoguma who has openly and publicly said I only want to play for Germany. Changes his allegiance to Nigeria within weeks he is on the team.

Meanwhile Ovie and lookman have committed to Nigeria for over two years and a year respectively. But NOTHING done.

For those who put their education to good use will know that FIFA operates to regulation and a clear cut process management.

And will not give credence to those nonsensical excuses of its taking time.

Edopesin:
Think my man, why will Obaseki sponsor thugs to release criminals in his state? Is it not better to weather the storm like buhari is probably doing and or dialogue with the protesters than making the state go deeper into insecurity.

Let's think, what exactly does obaseki have to gain by doing something as outrageous as that? Absolutely nothing.

Chairman how far.

This protest is being Hijacked and misrepresented. End SARS protestors did not break into the prison, however, thugs and other misled individuals did.

Again the ease at which people broke out of the prison, for me there is manipulation and other players political and otherwise are complicit in this charade IMO.

Karlovich:
I made my deductions based on what HAPPENED, you can verify each and every one of them and I dare you to refute them if they are false

WHAT HAPPENED according to who ❓

Your entire argument is based on HEARSAY this particular issue is not about opinion, but LEGALITY and FACT.

But the established convention and the FIFA regulatory framework and guidelines. That's where you should begin from.

GeneralFarouq:
Good u acknowledge some aks do have sights eh.
The effective range of a quality AK is 350 metres
But the realistic and commonly accepted is 300
U enjoy complicating fact to prove points.
Unfortunately for ur line of argument, with enhaced sights, good wind (of course) marksman can accurately hit targets between 280-300 metres away, all things been equal...

That's entirely under a controlled environment, such as a shooting range. If you add ammunition quality then those figures can have huge variations.

If you consider a change of environment i.e. ambush, fire fight, etc. Where you may get half a second to zero into you target and you are fighting for your life, then you are taking effective range of 100-150 metres maybe less. It really depends on training and mental composure of the combatants.

I have watched Nigerian security forces personal engaging with armed robbers. They didn't even flick up the steel sights on the AK47, shooting wildly. There effective range was less than 100 metres.

However, put on an optic sight and you can talk of effective range in a fire fight environment of 300 metres. But not neccesarily with an AK47 the recoil is too much.

But a definitely with an AK74, or a number of other modern assault rifles.

But all these permutations can be completely mitigated be exceptional combatants. You will be shocked what a Russian Spetsnaz can do in a fire fight with a rudimentary AK47.

andrewbaba44:
As in

They climb through the walls easily

Situation is clearly contrived but WHY.

Lots of subterfuge going on here and political manipulation. The coming days will become more interesting as those who want to hold on to power, become more DESPERATE.

smartsmith0907:
the dude is spewing trash I was laffing when he was talking about article 8.1 he has no fucking idea about it I have the full documents with me and it online sef if you wanna have it

Article 8.1. explains that such individuals may "only once" request to change their national team association, subject to the following conditions:
"a) He has not played a match (either in full or in part) in an official competition at “A” international level for his current association, and at the time of his first full or partial appearance in an international match in an official competition for his current association, he already had the nationality of the representative team for which he wishes to play.
b) He is not permitted to play for his new association in any competition in which he has already played for his previous association."
In short, that means a change cannot occur if a player has been capped at senior international level in a competitive international match, such as a World Cup qualifier. Senior friendlies, therefore, are not deemed sufficient to tie a player to an association.
In order to make a change of association, a player must "submit a written, substantiated request" to the FIFA general secretariat and the governing body's Players Status Committee make a decision on that request. Once a request has been filed, a player is not eligible to play for any national team until all the paperwork has been processed

so my brother this is everything bout article 8.1

Where is your position about 4 nations consent for approval, educated and informed man ❓

smartsmith0907:
you're an ignorant of what you claim you have idea of, you have no bit of idea about this system.
now back to my previous preposition i said there must be an agreement between the four FA's england I.e home nation agreement which include the UK, Wales, Scotland and ireland and according to the article 6 of FIFA regulations which is mainly based on switch of allegiance state this and the agreement between the quad which necessitate the need of this quad ( UK,wales,Ireland and Scotland) to approve the switch of allegiance of this players who wanna switch was agreed in 2010 and these so called players have no British passport it either they have UK ,wales, Scotland, Ireland.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_eligibility_rules#Home_nations_agreement

this is a link for you to know more
so let this be the last time you gonna ever boast of your British football knowledge you have no idea of this system as a matter of fact ya a Stark illiterate when it comes to this.

You still ignorant, using Wikipedia.

Go back to school.

slimthugchimee2:
Since lotus cheek is better than ndidi, leciester should have kukuma abandoned him and easily went for Ruben shaa

They probably cannot afford him and or he may not suit their philosophy.

barackodam:
Iorfa is supposedly lion in a small league and churns out beastly Perfomance season in, season out but nobody wants to pay money for him, why ❓

Very simple not good ENOUGH.

Karlovich:
Feel free to Share the framework since you have it, Mr. Ignorance

So what are you making your deductions on HEARSAY and IGNORANCE.

Danielnino00:
You obviously have the reasoning capacity of a toad,otherwise you would have realised by now that every FIFA member nation has its own regulation guilded by their government's citizenship rule when it comes to switch of allegiance..
Perhaps you are aware of it but chose to pretend about it just so you can have something to attack the NFF with...

Well,sorry hombre, your borough boys aren't getting called up until their switch has been officially completed and they are in form!

Educated man that operates like a an illiterate.

My response was very clear, you make claims and assumptions but what do they rest on THIN AIR.

We are talking FIFA regulatory framework and guidelines underpinned with process management.

It's not based on opinion but of course your capacity is limited thats why you cannot understand.

So tell us the the sub sections and articles of FIFA regulatory guidelines in lone with the English FA that you anchor your position upon please.

I CHALLENGE YOU.

andrewbaba44:
Etebo looks like an important player to gala

I pray they sign him and not do another badou Ndiaye things

I prefer a Galatasaray player in the eagles than a championship player

Why ❓

barackodam:
My own be say, you chook Ndidi yarns now, e sweet you.

Ndidi has been playing in the EPL for 3½ seasons, and you are slighting him here, yet, you and your cohorts are telling us to go and cap Dominic that has been playing in lower leagues for 7 years. In your words

Iorfa for reasons unknown has not been able to generate interest in his outstanding talent by big clubs, WHY ❓

You have completely deviated from the subject
and you are getting all emotional like a teenage school girl scorned.

Nobody is slightling him here or denigrating him.

Ndidi is supposedly world class but nobody wants to pay world class money for him, why ❓

I talked about the gaps in his game that he needs to plug and develop before he can move to the next level. Thats not denigration.

Karlovich:
For someone who lives in the UK and claims to understand British football you are completely ignorant about nationality switch amongst UK nations, you are searching for FIFA regulation. Let me give you a few instances-The same FIFA regulation that prevented Mikel Arteta and Carlo Cudicini from playing for England didn't stop Loic Nego from representing Hungary having reprented France at youth level and Zeca for Greece having played for Portugal at youth level. Nacho Novo was prevented from playing for Scotland despite meeting the residency and eligibility requirements whereas Deco and Pepe didn't have any issue with Portugal. Troy Deeney couldn't play for Northern Ireland having qualified through his great-grandfather, but Mauro Camoranesi played for Italy because his great-grandfather was from there, for the last time stop disgracing yourself, eligibility requirements for UK teams are different from other nations the same way switching from England or from UK teams takes time, Ghana had similar issues with Emmanuel Frimpong, James McClean had similar issues when switching from Northern Ireland to Republic of Ireland.

All this is hearsay with ZERO substance.

State facts look at the FIFA regulatory framework and stop talking balderdash.

Danielnino00:
You are still talking rubbish...

Making commitment to a country is one thing... Applying for a switch of nationality is another thing...

Since how many months did Lookman and Ejaria apply for their switch?

Again, despite your so called knowledge of English football,why are you hell bent on ignoring the fact that it has been mentioned before that it is hard for English born players to switch allegiance because of the process involved...
Why will the NFF be running around to get the players to switch allegiance and then delay it? What's the sense in that??

A person who lacks understanding anchors his position on another because he SIMPLY DOES NOT KNOW.

Mentioned by who on this platform the president of FIFA ❓

I expected an educated person to be substantive in their deductions not rely on hearsay. What did you do to establish the validity of those claim.

This is not an opinion based inference but one based on FIFA regulatory framework. That framework has a process management which is also underpinned by the convention of precedence.

So please go and educate yourself and respond with something that can stand up to examination.

andrewbaba44:
If iwobi is still at arsenal he would have been capped by england even if na 10 caps self

Lets see if loftus cheek will still make the team playing at fulham, playing for chelsea made him won about 10 caps for england, i am not calling him a bad player thou but i dont know why chelsea had to loan him out again

Loftus that cannot fight for a place in chelsea with players like mount and co

You are not being objective but emotive.

First of all he was far from the England U20.

Look at the England midfielders that he has to compete with to get in like Foden, Sancho, Jack Grealish, Maddison, Mount, Barkley or Dele Alli and finally Rueben.

Although l do think currently Iwobi would get into the Fulham team since his resurgence and improvement at Everton. But not the Chelsea team.

But the reality of comparison of Chelsea is that Iwobi will not make the Chelsea first team.

Objectively speaking he will not make the England team no sentiment.

smartsmith0907:
lolzzz what are you talking about what do you know ....am telling you the fact...i have several documents and paperworks to back this up so shut F**k and learn for the first time in damned life.

An educated, wise and informed man, allows the the substance of his position to speak for him.

An illiterate and ignorant man decends to the gutter with vitriolic rhetoric and derogatory diction.

Why because Ignorance cannot overcome Knowledge.

It's what our thuggish politicians do in thier inability to convince by substance they resort to violent thuggery as an option, to impose their position.

charlesemeka85:
oga stop ranting, ovie and lookman only applied for change of allegiance early this year and it takes up to 10-11 months to be cleared especially when it concerns the english fa

Sorry very sorry you don't know what you are talking about.

Ovie made his commitment to Nigeria over two years.

Ademola Lookman near a a year ago.

But you have evaded question of why it has taken so long. That question cannot be answered by " beer parlour" analysis but in line with the FIFA regulatory guidelines and provisions and the process management.

But you anchor your position on NOTHING but opinionated assumptive ignorance.

Otherwise please substantiate your position with facts or if you like precedence that creates convention in practice.

andrewbaba44:
(My opinion)Ndidi is world class, and no england dm is better than ndidi, is it Kalvin phillip ,rice or a below average harry winks ?

Even if ndidi is not world class he is close to and will start for many european nations, i can give you examples, you no say me no dey sugarcoat i go talk am as i see am

I will rather have ndidi in my barca than Frenkie De Jong

Shebi ndidi no sabi pass ball according to some people, Wetin frenkie de jong dey pass for barca since him 75 million euros move and my guy na sure starter for club and national team

Unfortunately our preferences are not reflected in the football market.

Ndidi for reasons unknown has not been able to generate interest in his outstanding talent by big clubs, WHY ❓

It's not about price alone.

Arsenal went to go and get Athletico Madrid DM Partey, Everton decided to go for Dacour from relegated Watford. Going back in time even PSG preferred a much older Gueye and paid £30 million for him, than go for a supposed much better Ndidi.

So step back, put aside your emotive preferences and there has to be a reason.

When Cardiff was in the EPL Sol Bamba had better stats than Virgil Van Dyke. But nobody came in for him Bamba he is back in the Championship with Cardiff. The question is Why❓

The decision to buy a player will not test entirely on statistics. Because statistics are indicative and not conclusive, there are many things that are not captured by stats.

With regards to Ndidi, he will not make the England team. His passing range is very limited and his ability to change the game offensively limited. There are other DM who do this much better than him.

Again putting emotive sentiment and national preference aside. However, if he adds s better passing range and tactical game management that they noise game, then he could see himself in a much bigger team.

Subzero047:
Loftus Cheek is not the one preventing Onomah from not playing, Cainey played, Anguissa played even Lemina and Reed was on the bench

Komekn bringing up Loftus Cheek is a way of twisting fact to fit his agenda

What position has Tega played predominantly in Fulham FC it's as an AM.

I personally think the last few games his form has dipped. But the season has started and Rueben is much better than him and immediately takes the AM position. However, will he stay injury free ❓ In the EPL you need a strong squad.

So Tega will still play but now he has to compete and fight for a position. Thats modern football in a EPL team.

Sportilitica:
Ndidi will definitely bench any day anytime but I am not sure about the rest.

First of all Ndidi as good as he is is limited to DM and that's essentially it.

Rueben Loftus-Cheek is far more versatile, technically superior, one thing Ndidi beats him on emphatically is he is not Injury prone like Rueben.

Finally, no prejudice for those who think Ndidi is world class. Do you think Ndidi will displace anybody in the England midfield❓

andrewbaba44:
Loftus cheek is good but i dont think he his better than iwobi

Will Iwobi smell the England team, answer the question honestly.

Thats your answer with regards to Rueben.

smartsmith0907:
i am surprised despite your so called "British football knowledge" you don't know it takes long steps/procedures for an English to switch coz the Four UK's federation decision is paramount and instrumental for the move his switch should have been completed this October coz it started late January this year but the pandemics plays a very serious role in this so by November or latest December it should be completed that if he didnt the withdraw the process.

Your talking balderdash.

Reference your position with FIFA regulatory provisions and guidelines.

Not your beer parlour assumptive perceptions based on wind and fresh air.

chrisooblog:
oh but writing off a young player competing in a European League for the first time and going ahead to claim he's only good enough for academy football without watching him play is objective abi? lol please just don't go down that route you will never win

I do not write players off, l say things as they are IMO in the context of HERE and NOW

So l don't know what you are talking about.

Again l remind you perception is not FACT.

chrisooblog:
our elders have a saying that it's from the morning you will know how the day will turn out.

yes it's early days but the Fulham i'm seeing hasn't been impressive and if they don't get their bearings right and they are still in the relegation spots by early January then I'm afraid it might be curtains.

Coach Parker needs to do better tactics wise. he has a few good players now so he should not use lack of quality personnel as an excuse.

As for Onomah there's still time for him to impress but the way you were hyping him almost saying he would walk straight into the SE have to say he has been really tepid.

I will remind you to look at EPL history and consider the position of Leicester in 2015/16 who were relegation candidates but then changed form and won the title tjat season with Ranieri.

Everything in context, which of our midfielders will displace Rueben Loftus-Cheek in any team.

You are talking like we have world class midfielders, be realistic.

charlesemeka85:
Oga stop this nonsense, u better grow up instead of constituting nuisaice here always

Ok explain with substantive detail and in reference to FIFA regulatory guidelines why Ademola Lookman who committed to Nigeria near two years ago as well as Ovie Ejaria.

Why it has taken two years.

And if you cannot then who is talking ARRANT NONSENSE.

Subzero047:
Does it remove from the fact that Fulham are not favorites for relegation? Besides what we are saying is that the Onomatopiea you are touting as the savior of Nigeria's midfield cannot make the bench of a lowly team in the EPL

Tell me which of our players will bench Rueben Loftus-Cheek.

Lowly Fulham FC is what you call it.

Don't let your prejudice and negative bias completely remove all sense of reasoning from you.