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Danielnino00:
Iwobi really needs to watch his back..

If indeed Everton get a winger, then it could be over for him...
I really hope not...

The problem with Iwobi.

He has no clear cut unique selling point. He is neither an outstanding winger or AM.

And although he has had to up his game, he has to do fall in line with the hard work ethic at Everton. That's why he got some muscle stress Injuries. I dont think he has ever worked as hard as he has at Everton in his entire career.

He has to perfom outstandingly there are now quite a few contenders for his position. It's not going to be easy.

TheSuperNerd:
Lol.... Shifting the goal posts now? Why straying from the issues in discourse? The issue here is Cadiz.

You said the first team quality of Cadiz was poor when you paid them a visit a few years ago and I am saying things have changed since then for them and they are now in La Liga. That alone shows a marked quality improvement as regards their first team. They beat out good Ball Playing Segunda sides like Girona and Almeria to get automatic promotion.

Now you have left this and started attacking the quality of the Segunda which you hardly watch anyway only b'cos you wanna talk up the Championship again. Dude.... happy typing. Got no time today for your evasive manner of discussion. And talking Finance... Gala will be paying Etebo 1.2M euros for a year. Stoke could never match that for Etebo. So by finance alone, according to your usual way of twisting things, this would mean Gala definitely is a huge stepup from the Championship. Ciao.

If a league is poor quality and you get promoted from the poor quality league to a far better league you have now become TOP QUALITY. That's essentially your proposition.

You EVADED the question and brought in narrative that has no bearing on the comparison.

I hardly watch Segunda División because the quality is VERY POOR.

I asked you and indeed challenge anybody to with objectivity make a comparison of the player composition of Stoke a mid level Championship team and any team in the Segunda División.

Then show one team that can attain up to 25% of the player composition quality in comparison with Stoke.

Stoke should be more familiar considering the number of Nigerian players in the team.

I could ask us to look at the cost of players transfer between clubs in the Segunda División. But that would be a sledge hammer to kill a fly.

Please matters should be within the context and specifics of the questions raised.

forgiveness:
Turkish league pays well too.

Very favourable and easily manipulated tax regime.

barackodam:
Stoke City is better because it's English. And they have bigger budget than teams in first division of most leagues

See, we go tire for komekn for this thread

Stoke is better BECAUSE THEY HAVE FAR BETTER QUALITY PLAYERS EOD.

Finally, you get what you pay for.

Na money kill better soup.

barackodam:
Owo yii sha nooni.

Can you actually make a reference without infusing money into it

Be more than superficial look at the team make up of both teams, make a comparison player to player.

And tell me any team in the Segunda División that can meet up too 25% of the quality of Stoke

mostob:
sorry bro..you be MTN agent? she na everywhere you dey go ni?

I will deviate slightly.

Distance is not the issue but connectivity.

So for instance from Manchester to London 200 miles + distance, takes about 2 hours on the train can cost over £160 return at peak times.

From Manchester to Nottingham which is about 80 miles takes 3.5 hours meanwhile, it's half the distance.

So distance does not define connectivity. So it's easier and quicker to go to London which is double the distance. Than to go going to Nottingham albeit more expensive.

Meanwhile you can take a flight to Madrid or Porto in Spain take two hours and can cost £60 return.

So it really is not a big deal to fly out to Madrid in the morning and come back in the evening for very little money and minimum inconvenience.

My footballer friends would regularly charter a private jet, go to Milan do shopping and chop Italian gourmet cuisine ( not my preference) and come back in the evening.

This is to inform.

BascoVanVeli:
The championship is where Rooney went to retire. So it just depends. People say the same about Italy. But do people play champions league in retirement?

Rooney actually is a BIG DISSAPOINTMENT when taken in the context of his unique and world class ability.

He is supposed to be competing with his age mates Ronaldo and Messi. But NO, he retired to the USA first ( chop big money) and has come to Derby with the expectation of a player manager Role.

This is one unique world class player who is already satisfied.

It is has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with Championship being a retirement league.

Each country in the European leagues is given can opportunity to compete in the Champions league. It has nothing to do with the quality of the league.

How far they go is a reflection of the league quality.

Finally, how many players have retired to Turkish league from the top leagues TOO MANY TO COUNT.

forgiveness:
But it is more competitive than staying in relegation threatened Stoke city in the championship.

Who knows if Stoke city will end up in League 1 at the end of the season?

Before I respond WHY

Give your reasons specifically why going to Gala is better than staying at Stoke.

TheSuperNerd:
That was a few years ago. They just gained Promotion to La Liga finishing second to Nwakali's Huesca. Shows the quality has improved in that team.

It doesn't show that the quality has IMPROVED of the league.

The entire Segunda División is poor quality and gaining promotion within the league is not a reflection of quality.

There is a huge gulf in quality within La Liga, you almost have 4 levels of quality.

The Barca and Real then Saville/ Athletico M. Then a group of 4/5 clubs then another group of 3/4 clubs after that everything is poor.

Look at the huge budget disparities between the clubs.

Segunda División is poor quality, you cannot get away from the issue of FINANCE. Better players follow where there is better money it's a simple FACT.

Look at mid table Stoke Fc, of which many should be familiar with the players in the team including our own players.

Now tell me one team in the Segunda that can match just 25% of the quality of players in a like for like comparison. With objectivity.

And it becomes very apparent.

BascoVanVeli:
Etebo appreciation post. Might not be the prettiest but he has been the best performer for us in our last two competitions. Finally going to a big club and I am sure we will finally see the quality on a consistent basis.

Turkish league is not a step up , he may make a lot more €€€ but it's not progression. For one of our best players in the midfield if not best.

Gala is a big club in Turkey in general but in terms of competitive quality it's not a great move

This is the retirement league of Europe.

TheSuperNerd:
Another Nigerian likely to grace La Liga

His name is Saturday Keigo Erimuya. A Central Defender doing his thing for Cadiz/Cadiz B.

He played the first 45 mins for Cadiz in their preseason friendly yesterday and had a decent showing. Wore Jersey #37. The coach introduced new players in the second half. Game ended 1-1 but the goals came in the second half.

Hé featured majorly for Cadiz B in the Spanish Third tier and was one of their main stays in the side. Starting 26 games. Was never subbed in once. Also, he stands at 1.90m.



Note: He was part of the Siasia-coached Nigeria U-23 side that won bronze at the Rio 2016 Olympic games. He only played 1 minute+ in the whole competition vs Honduras in the third place tie.

A few years ago l was oportuned to go too Cadiz the first team was poor quality IMO.

And l cannot imagine the quality of the B team.

So he needs to do a lot more.

ChrisKels:
By mistake?

Now using you Oghenekome as an instance, since you were born by mistake in London, is it wrong to call you a London boy?

Yes it is.

Because l was born in the UK but made in Warri.

I am also de-tribalised able to speak my language and conversational Igbo. In addition I have assets in the heart of Igbo land too as well.

Dont forget I went to high school in Warri before I left Nigeria to universities in the UK.

Edopesin:
lmao
I remember reading an article on this, The author concluded that Black Africans in Europe tend to take interest in sport and be better to escape the "racial stereotyping". Especially the ones that moved just before teen

Actually, Children of West African origin have a higher attainment level at university than upper white class children in the UK.

However, as soon as they leave university with with thier higher grade degrees. That graph of high achievment does not have a gradual decline, No. But an immediate flip over and Africa origin children become bottom of the pile.

After 10 years or less the boys with 2:2, 3rd class and let my people go degrees are now your bosses.

This is not subjective assumption but proven established FACT. The lack of and or denial of Black people position in football management. Is absolutely reflective of nearly every sector in the UK with even worse ratios of unrepresentation.

Thats why it's called institutional, systemic racial discrimination. It's similar to tribalism in Nigeria not the same but similar.

post=93731479:
Semenya has been fighting this battle about her sexuality with these people right from day one.

One day, we believe we will hear the end of this.

What a strong girl!

I think this matter is complicated she has both male and female traits biologically speaking.

As a consequence a far higher level of testosterone.

He or she is also gay and or lesbian as her partner is a woman.

wayodude:
There's no arguably about it bro. Osayi is 100% a Bini name not derived from any other language. Just like Osaze, Osasu etc. These names are all in reference to God whom is known as Osa in the Edo language.

Agreed without reservation.

If you consider the first name Bright it's more popular and reflective of people from the former Bendel state.

It's almost certain he is from Edo state.

ChrisKels:
Arguably, but that said, I didnt call him Okija boy because of his surname, I rather did because he was born in Okija.

Because by mistake you were born in McDonald's that doesn't make you a Big Mac.

Food for thought.

daveP:
My club can so develop naija players born abroad ehn.


I'm still here wondering why no home grown naija players has been successful since Kanu. What's happening?

Iwobi isnt home grown. So that kick him out. This isnt good news.


So its easier for a homegrown Nigerian player , by this revelation to break into both Chelsea and Man Utd than Liverpool and Arsenal!

Its been years.

Do you mean players born and bred in Nigeria with reference to the bold❓

Because that does not resonate with my understanding.

Danielnino00:
Majority of Nigerians living in the UK stay in London..so I think it's quite normal to find a lot of Nigerian descent players in London clubs academies..

Majority of Africans are in the Greater London district and the majority of African are Nigerians.

However, that statistics is not unique to just greater London albeit it more pronounced.

Even in the North West of England the top football academies will have an over representation of African origin players and that also means a good number of Nigerians.

However, when you get to the Burnley's, Blackburn, etc, you will not find that trend for obvious reasons.

But l have been saying this for many years that th highest concentration of Nigerian origin players in European football academies is in England.

It would not be problematic to select a Nigerian U17 team from just England alone. That would compete at the world youth cup and have a good chance of winning.

The investment in football starts very early and getting that top level football education is a great help.These academies have players from age 5/6.

For instance, l am already having an idea of the next generation of England U15 - U17 youth internationals. I am talking from U12 now.

Some are already on sports sponsorships.

And yes a good number are Nigerians.

nemesis8u:
What do u mean by that ?

First of all an ambush does not equate to immediate overriding victory by your enemy.

If you are in an area of contention, ambush is not a SUPRISE it's an EXPECTATION.

And if you are expectant then you are EQUIPPED, PREPARED to RESPOND OFFENSIVELY and seize the initiative and turn in into a victory.

There is a reason you do not see modern day combatants packed in the back of soft skinned pick up trucks.

They will be in a series of different types of Armoured vehicles. For instance the USA you will have JLTV, MRAP'S, IFV'S all with considerable offensive capability.

When you clear all the surrounding vegetation, trees, shrubs, long grass, etc You can see and be seen too, but it also means you also have nowhere to hide and or take cover, you are exposed.

Therer are different types of Ambushes, but going into theoretic description is not that important.

But our own NA modus opera operandi. The NA have a great belief in the strength of numbers so go into areas of contention bunched up in 50 + vehicle convoys in broad daylight.

They go on designated and well know paths and main roads. This approach does not require complicated intelligence to set up an ambush. In addition the vehicles they have don't give them any real offensive response and or protection.

Boko insurgents will have IED's, the obligatory Gun Trucks, RPG7's and the overwhelming number 90% will be carrying AK47's and light machin guns.

Most modern armies operations taking place in Sahel savanna. Will have a policy of not driving on the same route twice, most movement will be at night, and thier vehicles will be able to survive IED's, overcome RPG7's, and the HMG fire from the gun trucks. This makes a direct ambush attack to be far from advantageous.

For a RPG7 you have an effective range of less than 300 metres and with open terrain no obstructions. Clearing the grass around main roads makes it easier not harder for the enemy.

So if you don't go on the routes twice, using multiple routes and alternatives you are elusive to your enemy. These are all terrain vehicles, going off road is normal, not easy but achievable. Then you make it harder for Boko.

So now you face an ambush. 90 % of Boko small arms fire ineffective against your armoured vehicle. They might get one vehicle with an IED but they are well spaced. The rpg7's will not get through the cage armour on the armoured vehicles. And the minute you fire an RPG your heat signature is there for all too see, you are gunned down immediately with incendiary fire from cannon on the IFV or HMG on the multiple armoured vehicles you have.

You immediately charge through the bushes and long grasses you have elevation and can see them, coordinated ambush contingency plan in place, well rehearsed, nothing is SURPRISING. Any gun trucks you will outflank mash up or toast with the precision weaponry at your disposal.

At this stage you don't just REPEL, you pursue, overtake, decimate and ANNIHILATE they will never return. There is a need for retraining for some of our combatants IMO.

Look at operation Serval which started before opoperation Barkhan. Since inception in 2013 and to date 45 French soldiers have been killed in 7 years of combat. There have been several ambush attempts but not with any success of note.

I can not imagine the casualty figures of the NA over the past 7 years it could be thousands.

However, these insurgents will avoid the French and confront Malian, Burkina, Chad and Niger combatants at will and with no fear, WHY.

Our procurement priorities are wrong.

At this stage of our development absolutely all our gallant combatants should be in armoured fighting vehicles of different types.

bidexiii:
Either Ak-74s or Ak74: the typical polymer Ak47.

The Ak 74 are modern or newer AK riffles, with a little bit change in design. 1st two riffle are AK-74s and last two are am-74.
Note there always the wooden and polymer version for each type of riffle types.

Actually it's not just a little bit of change in design, it a lot more than cosmetic change.

Essentially it replaced the AK47 in most of the Eastern block.

The Soviet block had noticed that accuracy of the NATO standard 5.56x45mm had a greater range and far better accuracy than the AK47 some say.

The AK74 is chambered with the Soviet block 5.45×39mm round. This results in far less recoil and considerable increase in effective range and accuracy. Put optic sights on it and it's a very good precision assault rifle and with a trained operative using steel sights will give you good accuracy as well.

JohnEagle96:
Then what should be done in my own humble opinion is a robust coordinated large offensive to drive them back to create a buffer zone from their Base in lake chad to Northern Bornu Axis setup a Strong Super Special Forces Camp in the Base supported by Strong Punishing Artillery System with Observation UAV.

You can't use a scorched earth strategy to fight against an insurgency. Thats what in general artillery fire will give to you.

kennysville:
What do you call this? Brother Confucius!

Simply come out and maintain your stance which is very obvious and that is you actually dont think Nwakali can ever become a good footballer, let alone be a star performer.

Dude! You need to get a chair and find one corner and sit down to think of your ways. And may God have mercy on your soul.

My stance is not futurist but past and present continous, he has been consistently MEDIOCRE.

He has not done anything for the past 5 years of substance. He will probably play football for the next five years but being a STAR PERFORMER very very unlikely although not impossible.

From the past we can make informed projections about the future, but projections are not certain just probable.

Finally, do not use the name of God in vain.

There is no argument or prejudiced based nnegative bias, just plain truth and facts.

Omanambala:
Let me get one thing very clear here. Are you perchance saying that he is mediocre ( I hope you know what is the definition of mediocre) or that he failed to perform in the previous seasons ? Because when you said he is mediocre it means you have proof of matches where he failed to show his quality and some flimsy statistics won't cut it. Nwakali may have floundered at some point but mediocre is not the right adjective to describe him.


Additionally, there is nothing like " highly unlikely" or "near impossible" because there is no premises for such words. He has been playing and he can only get better.

Finally, KOMEKN your chances of ever becoming a successful man in this world is near impossible or highly unlikely.

Nwakali is the best, the most skilful, most technically astute Nigerian player in the world.

Thats why he us playing for relegation bound Huesca in La Liga and not Barcelona or Real Madrid.

Omanambala:
Let me get one thing very clear here. Are you perchance saying that he is mediocre ( I hope you know what is the definition of mediocre) or that he failed to perform in the previous seasons ? Because when you said he is mediocre it means you have proof of matches where he failed to show his quality and some flimsy statistics won't cut it. Nwakali may have floundered at some point but mediocre is not the right adjective to describe him.


Additionally, there is nothing like " highly unlikely" or "near impossible" because there is no premises for such words. He has been playing and he can only get better.

Finally, KOMEKN your chances of ever becoming a successful man in this world is near impossible or highly unlikely.

It just depends on what your definition of success is.

I may already have exceeded it.

Danielnino00:
You are essentially saying that Nwakali's career is dead and buried, is that right??

No thats not RIGHT.

The matter concerning Nwakali football mediocrity over the past five years is established and proven and therefore dead and buried.

Nobody can call time on anybody future career only God can do that.

Football is unpredictable, as long as he can kick a ball the possibility exists that Nwakali could become a star performer in La Liga. Although this is near impossible and highly unlikely. But there is a very very small possibility.

Ossama Ashley was released by league one AFC Wimbledon this season and within a week he has signed a contract with EPL West Ham. Nobody could have predicted that move.

So in football anything can happen no matter how unlikely.

However in the HERE and NOW Nwakali is poor and has been for the past five years.

andrewbaba44:


I just Dey make example oo

Ojo and lookman doesn’t deserve to be in the eagles for now

Agreed without reservation.

However, when people who have not done anything of substance in thier careers. Such as Bazee and Nwakali then you have lowered the bar. And that gives players like lookman and Ojo justification to be considered.

timay:
Bros calm down, league is a different thing altogether. Even a country like China or Qatar has a better league than a lot of African countries, but when it comes to national team football, they are no where near an average African team like Dr Congo, Mali, Burkina Faso and South Africa of this world. Because Mentioning Algeria , Nigeria, Morroco, Senegal and co would be an over kill.

The bone of contention is clearly national teams, bit you somehow went off point to league.

Typical mtcheww

There is no bone of contention.

Scotland will not beat most African teams thars a given.

An observation is not off point but something that should tell us we need to develop local football league's in Africa.

That's where the greater indigenous talent will come from.

Otherwise in the next few years the national team will be totally dominated by Nigerian talented developed abroad.

TheLoneCitizen:
Sheyi Ojo joining Cardiff.

This is probably the last chance for Seyi Ojo, to make a claim as a quality winger.

He went to lowly Rangers and could not with all the opportunity hive to him. Play a consistent season of top quality football. He had some good moments and outstanding performances.

But he has been INCONSISTENT.

His whole career has been largely inconsistent, he is never going to play for Liverpool it seems.

He has been going on loan for too long he should have made enough of an impression to be a regular in a good Championship team to mid level or lower EPL.

I know quite a few of these boys, well.

And I think the Drive and Hunger is no longer there to get to the next level. He has been on crazy money before he was 16. With all the benefits AMG, female temptation, etc

He was bought at 14 from MK Dons for £1.8 million almost 10 years ago. That comes with a whole package of discreet payments and pecuniary incentives not made public.

He is doing very well financially but his career is in stop and start.

Cardiff is the quintessential Kick and rush football team with a manager who preaches that style night and day.

I do not see them getting promoted to the EPL next season, you can't just bulldoze your way to the EPL.

Seyi should have stayed at Fulham and developed more and created consistency for himself.

MetalJigsaw:
Scotland that would struggle against average African teams

Agreed without reservation or question.

However, when it comes to the Scottish Premier league. There is no domestic Sub Saharan African league that can be compared to them.

andrewbaba44:
I pray e gets game time ,I wish all naija players well

Omo but if nwakali no get game time ehnn ,komekn will bury him alive on this thread

I won’t say anything about emeka for now

How can you bury something that's already buried.

There is no malice or hostility stating the facts without sentiment is regarded as hate by quite a few.

Dude has done nothing in 5 years and somebody is placing him higher than Iwobi and Eberechi.

Danielnino00:
Komekn's post have been filled with insults too...

Why didn't you call him out too?

Educate yourself more and increase your perception and understanding.

Innuendo and suggestive diplomatic language is ABSOLUTELY NOT THE SAME as gutter language and vitriolic abuse.

I challenge you to give me ONE instance of vitriolic rhetoric and abuse, not two just one.

Now your perceptive deductions are a reflection of your own understanding and experience, they are not fact.

jihday:
Some bunch of Hungarian part-timers dumped Celtic out of this season's UCL, does that mean the Hungarian league is better than the Scottish league?

I am a bit confused by your claim and proposition.

This season 2019/20 UEFA Europa Cup.

Celtic was in group E which was made up of the following clubs:

Celtic - Scotland
CFR club - Romania
Lazio - Seria A
Rennes - French league one.

So who are the part timers from Hungary that dumped Celtic out of the UEFA Cup please ❓

Celtic beat Lazio home and away, is the Scottish Premier league better than Seria A. ❓

Celtic Beat Rennes and got a draw in the second leg, according to you Scottish premier league is better than the French league.

You are being unnecessarily contentious but why ❓

The substance of my comparison was to highlight the quality and competitiveness of the Championship.

Which was simply if Rangers which is widely regarded as on par with EFL league one. Then the Championship should not be dismissed. Celtic would be a Championship club level at best.

Nobody said or suggested that the Portuguese league was lower or on par with the Scottish league.

However , comparing the Portuguese league with the Championship is more realistic, because it's certainly not on par with the EPL.