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jihday:
The key difference is this guy didn't do MRI, never played for our U-17 but Uzoho did MRI and that is enough evidence for anybody without an agenda to believe his age, but then like a typical Nigerian y'all are quick to believe and embrace the bad gist and very reluctant for the good news

Do you know that in the 2009 U17 a number of them passed MRI scan.

Apart from the issues of our own integrity, who runs the MRI scans in Nigeria is it not Nigerians, please stop being naive. Where there is a will there is a way.

But even pushing that particular variable to one side. MRI scan is not 100% accurate there is a considerable margin of error.

feelme2020:
Generally, Africans find it difficult to plan for the future. We do not have a 10 year plan to develop anything (be it education, sports, economy etc). We Nigerians/Africans are living by our instinct. I think the vision of a black man does not go beyond 6 months. Anything a black man does does not stand the test of time.
This is why we think age cheating can solve our problems but it is only shallow. Black people can be very shallow minded.
Fifa had to invent a machine for us to stop age cheating. We don't have a sense of purpose. Most of these Western nations can just decide that there football will improve in 20 years and they will start working towards it systematically.
England has been working on making their players more technical for 15 years and they now have phil foden, Jadon Sancho etc.
This instantaneous attitude is the black man's undoing. The Western countries know where they will be 10 years from now.
Also, a black man's capacity to conceive greatness is limited. Right now, a lot of people find it difficult to beleive we can win the world cup because we are son satisfied with averagenes.
We have started changing though

Agreed without reservation or question.

The entire football system in the UK has been transformed.

It was a long term plan of over 15 years ago.

Now if we are to be honest they have left us behind in terms of technical football. We are still stuck in the past.

Look at the very young English football products we have now. And compare them to the past. People like Neville brothers would look not be able to play in today's Manchester United.

kellycute:
you don't have any document or valid arguement to proof that the person is 35 years old. You only rely on your so-called discretion which is totally bias. You use facial feature to conclude on a black guy age and turn a blind eyes when is come to white guy because your so-called discretion believe "white is synonym to honesty". Nonsense slavery mentality!

You lack knowledge and you have limted exposure and understanding. Its what we could describe as village ignorance.

It is absolutely impossible to falsify your age if you were born in the UK and western Europe.

From the time you are conceived and your mother goes for confirmation and continous antenatal screening that data is captured. Including in that data is expected date of birth.

After you a have been born, birth the data is automatically captured, official independent corroboration. When you go to nursery your data is captured as well as when you start school. Without that DOB confirmation you cannot attend school.

When you get to 5/6 and you play local football your data is captured. All through all your official engagement your data is confirmed and captured.

You go to the dentist, hospital, school, etc your DOB is captured and confirmed before any treatment. You want to get a passport your DOB data is corroborated and confirmed before any British passport is issued.

So how exactly are you going to age cheat in the UK. ❓ ❓

In Nigeria they system is totally different.

Edopesin:
In my own experience Nigerians don't always resort to negative assumptions and the irony of it all is that you're also a Nigerian

At the bolded, There's no working system in place to justify players claims on there age unlike the Europeans and North Americans and that's why you'll rarely hear about players from these continents getting disqualified from age grade competitions

I can give you a list 25 or more African players that have been disqualified since the introduction of MRI scans in 2009

The whites are not more honest than Africans but the system makes it difficult to get away with age cheating

Sorry it is not difficult it is ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE.

I will add that MRI scan can never give you an exact age but can use bone fusion to say a person is above 17.

However, there are many variables that can impact on a person that will allow a 21 year old to be classed as U17.

That's why the base line data used is different for different racial types.

A person who has been malnourished in Africa will have stunted growth and will not have the same bone fusion as teenager growing up in the West on high protein diet.

If you look at teenage young athletes in the West on creatin and other protein supplements. That will accelerate bone fusion.

There are a whole range of variables that mean that the generalistic deductions of MRI can not be absolutely accurate, there is a considerable margin of error.

Nonetheless, it's the best thing that happened to Nigerian football we now have mostly youngster's in our football at U17 level. The days of shaving 5/10 years off your age at U17 level close to impossible now.

andrewbaba44:
If you can defend Rooney then you should be able to defend any african player

Rooney age I won’t believe
Zidane age I won’t believe

I might be wrong about Rooney and zidane thou

Falcao na age cheat
Diego costa self na age cheat

I wonder for you, you know that in the UK and in Europe there is Automatic birth date capture, official independent corroboration.

There is absolutely nothing to debate and authenticate. Add to that from the day you kick a ball in local football your data is already recorded.

The day you go to nursery school your data is captured. It absolutely impossible to age cheats in the UK.

There is nothing to defend it's established irrefutable fact.

That however is not the case in Nigeria.

I will add I have three friends who own football academies in Nigeria. I know what's goes down.

andrewbaba44:
Why won’t they insult you ?

When we tell you that if nacho decides to leaves Leicester that he will easily get an epl club did you agree ?

And to make it worst nacho is a proven epl player than Ibe but you choose to say he won’t get an epl club and yet you want us to accept that ibe will get an epl club ?continue

You sef should know better.

I am dissapointed all the years here and you are talking like a rookie.

Jordan Ibe is a free agent.

KC is contracted and on huge wages without any commensurate return for the past three seasons.

No clubs absolutely no EPL club buy a flopped striker like KC. He has been unable to justify his transfer fee you cannot dress it up.

However, if he was on a free and not contracted there may be a few clubs that will take a gamble on him. But that's not the case, he is contracted. He will not be allowed to go for nothing.

Ibe has also been overwhelmingly dissapointing over his entire contract with Bournemouth. But also so has KC.

And you say KC is a proven EPL player but so also is IBE. Both are proven and confirmed EPL flops.

One with higher expectations never met and one with lower expectations and also never met. The only difference being KC may have a chance to improve otherwise they are both EPL flops.

daveP:
Your affirmation is what you want us to hinge assurance,validity and authenticity on?


Then if so, apply same for others as regards Nigerian lads. That's not much to ask for... No matter the permutations at play.

I expected a lot more objectivity from you but you have gone down the route prejudice.

The pertinent question should have been WHY not the comparison you are making.

It's very simple, Jordan Ibe is a free agent in the first instance. That completely changed the dynamics how clubs look at him. Do l need to explain that to you as well.

Second thing is Ibe is not a striker like KC and the expectations between a striker and winger are different. As well as measurement appraisal.

Finally, KC has the baggage of a huge contract and nobody is going to pay £10 million for a failed striker over the past three seasons.

But you come in with a general all encompassing statement. Moving from the individual to the collective but with blatant prejudice and negative assumption. As seen in the bold.

Who are the Nigerian lads you refer to because l can only think of one and that's KC.

ChrisKels:
So, to what purpose did you write this long epistle that has no message? To make your usual bogus claims?

Boy, get lost

To bring you out of the dark vacuum of ignorance that you have taken it seems permanent residence in.

To educate you and update your knowledge of things you have made assumptive deductions about. That you simply have no idea.

If you were not so conceited, you should be thanking me.

2lola:
you mentioned that morbid anatomy is not sport science when he told you do you know the number of body he has dissected.

A little advice.
A Sign of a professional is this you don't argue with another professional about his field,at least we were taught this.
The little idea you might have might have a lot of things behind that you might not know. The fact that I have some knowledge about Vacuum tubes doesn't mean I should argue with an Electrical Engineer

This is faceless forum in the first instance. So who is a professional and who is not, is open to debate. You can go even further what is and who is a profffesional.

You approach is based on the assumptive being a professional does not mean that you have specific more knowledge than somebody else.

However, when you talk about sector specialist in a specific area then you may have some argument but definitely not for being a so called professional.

But to say what you have written in the bold is what the Nigerian problem anchors itself on many a time. Assumptive deductions based on ignorance. If that is what you were taught please ask for a refund of your school fees you have been scammed. That approach in the bold is backward and regressive.

Good education is about questioning and inventive breakthroughs and innovation are entirely anchored on QUESTIONING and not accepting.

If I give my personal experience people because of thier own limitations will find it very hard to believe. So I will not and it is absolutely different from the approach in Nigeria, which you have described.

ChrisKels:
This guy is a well known liar on nairaland, people sabi am well. Go to battle field pictures thread to see the kind lies him dey drop on daily basis

My guy once lied he knew Nigerian military generals and their kids schooling abroad.

What is the culture of the Nigerian political elite for decades past an elite that includes the military top brass.

It didn't start with me.

But a huge % of the elite which includes our generals children as well themselves have studied, study and continue to study at Russell group universities in the UK.

What does that mean, consider the % of black students and do the simplistic probability. You will inevitably be in contact and association with them.

If I was to mentiont the names of former presidents children that I knew. You would somersault in derision.

But l will not because you will choke on your bitter leaf soup and l would not want that to happen to you. I'm not bitter like you.

Depending where your moral compass is and if you are a sycophantic praise singer. You will find the conceited mannerisms to be quite distasteful of a good number of these overfed political elite kids.

So get into your small mind, some where my associates, some I ignored or they ignored me and a very few where my friends.

It's no big Ting.

I could give stories but to what purpose.

Danielnino00:
You know, with the way he brags about his vast involvement in football and sport activities in the UK,it's very surprising that he still find time to argue on this thread everyday ..

Lol

Odunayaw:
The impostor always try to make himself relevant in every discussion. "Sit with sport scientists".

Oh it's you again, my presence to you is like a red flag to a deranged bull

But you charge in anyway but without any iota of substance.

I'm not sure why you have become so deeply infested with bitter rage and hostility. When you see any of contributions.

Is it a lack of capacity to engage,l or your own inadequacies brought to light, l really dont know.

Sorry l can't help you.

Lighten up bitterness kills.

2lola:
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I don't know if you have even graduated from medical school.

And if you have you are the quintessential educated illiterate.

Update your knowledge and understanding there is difference between morbid Anatomy and Sports science, two completely different subjects.

But of course Dr 2Know, did not know that because your comments strip you naked in public and display your own very limited knowledge and exposure.





stop exposing your ignorance on this topic the more. Morbid anatomy is different from dissecting(gross anatomy). Like they said you have no knowledge on physiology of the body or biochemical compositions and variation to say A white person is different from a black person.

The dissection of the human body wheaher morbid or gross is irrelevant you are being pedantic.

The core issue is that none of these subjects have anything to do with SPORTS SCIENCE

ChrisKels:
He is what we call Google Doctors, stop taking him seriously, he has already told you where he got his little but almost non existent idea from, "sitting beside people in the know"

By association knowledge is gleaned by participation application is achieved and application practice and therefore Wisdom.

Wisdom is something you lack.

I would rather sit with people in the know and get to know.

Than sit with somebody like YOU and remain in CRASS DARK IGNORANCE.

TheSuperNerd:
It is common knowledge here that you don't fancy, like, or have a good thing to say about Indigenous Naija Born lads compared to the Foreign Naija born lads. That has long been established in here. A lot of monickers know this... So that is nothing to debate about. Your comments have given you away several times.


And yes, you know nothing about this subject of European and African bodies. So my advice to you is this:





Shut the hell up! And Back away from the subject. Danke.

Your delusional misguided prejudiced perceptive based notions are not established Facts. As seen in the bold.

I gave you a long list of Nigerian players I have advocated for a very long time. Some l even know personally.

Buy you avoided all that to spew to utter Balderdash.

I have challenged quite a few other delusional misguided contributers here like you. But NOT ONE has been able to substantiate, these spurious claims.

With you as the head of the spurious allegations cheerleaders club.

You have even changed the substance of your spurious claim in the face of a substantive challenge. You no get shame.

Changing the goal posts to "COMPARISON" with Nigerian birthed players and Nigerian origin players in Europe.

TheSuperNerd:
Listen little man. You only sit with them (sports scientists as you claim) but you have absolutely zero intelligence on the matter b'cos you have no training on the matter. I have dissected bodies both European and African so don't talk NONSENSE to me. You have absolutely no idea how far my depth goes. So trust me when I tell you to shut up about this. You be Proper Olodo for this matter. Simple and short.

Na wa ooo... Must you speak about everything?? Learn to shut the hell up about things you have complete Zero knowledge about in indepth. What rubbish.

Nonsense and KOMEKNISH!

I don't know if you have even graduated from medical school.

And if you have you are the quintessential educated illiterate.

Update your knowledge and understanding there is difference between morbid Anatomy and Sports science, two completely different subjects.

But of course Dr 2Know, did not know that because your comments strip you naked in public and display your own very limited knowledge and exposure.

TheSuperNerd:
Still rubbish. On Zaidu, you are an Ignoramus. On the Anatomy and Physiological and Phenotypical makeups of Africans, South Americans, Europeans and more, you also know absolutely nothing!!!

Have some shame and speak nothing of what you don't know. Danke!!!

The subject core is your claim.

That l have nothing good to say about Nigerian born players what you call home grown players.

You have gone on a shameless evasion and intended misdirection of the discourse.

What has all the that you written got to do with my alleged dislike of Nigerian born players by YOU.

TheSuperNerd:
The Anatomy is the "basically" the same everywhere be you Caucasian, Eskimo or African. So stop this nonsense. You are not in the medical field. If I show you the skeleton of an African and European side by side, you won't see much differences at all. Only very minute difference(s) can be picked out by forensic experts and by people like me who is in the field. So Biko, stick to football and leave Anatomy.

Oyibo body and African body no be the same in language may seem superficial but in reality, it is factual. But it is not anchored on skeletal disparity assumed or existent. There is way much more to it than that.

We are not talking skeletal disparities within race. But you could not help yourself to announce your limited knowledge.

You need to go back to school there are gaps in capacity and knowledge or maybe you need to find a better school.

I sit with sports scientists and in a number of EPL clubs with substantive led science based research on the racial disparity and advantage in sports. Which are also linked to a number of universities in the UK as it's ongoing research.

Actually I was having a discussion with a PhD student on a placement at an EPL club about a similar subject just yesterday evening.

There is a huge expansive area of research on this subject, that your comments show you know nothing about.

Dr 2Know.

TheSuperNerd:
I didn't expect any positive reaction from you anyway. You have always had a bad thing to say about Indigenous Naija Born lads. So thank you for staying on KOMEKNISH boulevard.

Zaidu is a young man and no amount of Sesquipedalianic gobbledygook from you can change that. Plus he is gonna be in the next list of invitees.

You always are emotive and sentiment based but also VERY BIASED.

Facts are facts they cannot be changed. Niger has never had official automatic birth date capture. That means nobody born in Nigeria can have their age officially corroborated.

And so according to you l have nothing good to say of Ighalo, Etebo, Yobo, Anichebe, Yakubu, Victor Moses, Rabui Ibrahim, Obagoal, Sunday Mbah, Awoniyi, Bobby Adekanye, Fred Onyedinma, Iwobi, etc.

Don't you see how Superdelusional and devoid of the supposedly common sense your comments are.

But of course you cannot you are blinded by negative bias and prejudice.

Not having the same parochial biased shallow opinion as you does not equate to a dislike for home grown players in Nigeria.

chrisooblog:
Rooney in his early 20s was already going bald. imagine the comments if he was Nigerian

Oyibo body and African body are very different.

1realBobby:
Blessing Igbinijesu Egharevba precisely...

his father is an ex bendel insurance player... if you stay in Benin, you'd know this obviously... Moses even comes home every Christmas and do giveaway for boys

Chairman no be everything we deh talk for forum.

Me sef no the Benin runs well wellu.

You don't have to prove anything on a faceless forum. Let people believe what they want to believe.

We are Nigerians we know what happens in Nigeria.

Danielnino00:
Even white guys like Rooney,Charlie Adam,Danny Ings,Costa,Donnarunma and Robben looked old in their 20s...

I don't see what's the fuss about...

I knew Rooney when he was 16 he didn't look old.

If you like go an ask Anichebe and Yobo

charlesemeka85:
Released Bournemouth winger Jordon Ibe is attracting Premier League interest.

Cut loose by the relegated Cherries before the Prem restart, Ibe is still attracting top-flight suitors.

The Sunday Mirror says Crystal Palace and Newcastle United are keen on the winger.

Ibe struggled throughout his stay at the Cherries after joining for £15million in 2016. But that isn't putting off Newcastle and Palace, who are both looking to strengthen their attacking options.

Neither club has huge sums to shell out on transfers this summer and Ibe appeals on that front.

The fact he has Premier League experience is another driving factor, with both Steve Bruce and Roy Hodgson keen to add more quality to their squads

Former England youth international Ibe started at Wycombe before joining Liverpool in 2012.

When l said he would get a EPL club I got digs abuse here.

Danielnino00:
I could show you pictures of sportsmen born in developed countries that look older and bigger than their age..

But one big difference, there is automatic birth date capture and official corroboration.

In addition it's very easy to track players from youth football age 5/6 all the way to professional football.

In Africa it's completely the opposite.

TheSuperNerd:
First two Pics: Zaidu in 2016-2017

Last two pics: Zaidu in 2020.

These pictures prove nothing.

It doesn't tell his age at that time he could be 25/27 in the claimed 2016/17 picture or he could be 16/18.

What we do not that access and success in Europe apart from ability are intrinsically linked to age. Coming to Europe as a 23/24 year old from Africa and the door and opportunities for progression are very narrow.

And unless a person has very stong convictions on truth and integrity and or is Saint. Most will have no hesitation in cutting their ages.

elyte89:
But dt zaidu clips I watched on this thread wasn't really dt convincing. Maybe d highlight didn't do d necessary justice

Highlights are indicative mostly and can be manipulated to make a played look much better than he is.

When you watch a player in a full game preferably several and much better in training sessions. Then you have a more comprehensive picture.

tbaba1234:
I absolutely disagree..

He is the best offensive full back, we have at the moment. Definitely an upgrade on Jamilu.

His defending sod metimes can be a weakness.

Is he better than Aina ❓

Philosopher1979:
Exactly like Andre Pirlo. He is in a technical league like Spain that appreciates that kind of talent . The english league does not really suit his game.
He really needs to work hard this season

Because he has been playing in the English football leaguee for the past 5 years

When he played in the Eredivisie he was not good enough and following that was demoted to the Eerste Divisie and was once more anonymous. He then was demoted to playing youth football in Porto B.

He did little or nothing to contribute to the promotion of Huesca to La Liga. Which is a poor shoe string budget club, that will struggle not be relegated almost immediately on arrival.

He has a huge mountain to climb after five years of mediocrity and comparison to Pirlo is DELUSIONAL.

IDENNAA:
Aren't you the same person that abuse and insult people for rooting for Nwakali but here you are proud to support an invitation of an unknown and unproven player ? What changed ? Na you go coollect noose take hang yourself.

A very black opaque pot calling the kettle black.

After calling Nigerian not born in Nigeria as not being Nigerian and in addition lacking patriotism. For choosing to play for England as opposed to the SE.

You then claim that if your daughter in the USA who is an athlete if given the chance will must represent the USA.

Is that not HYPOCRITICAL BIGOTRY of the highest order.

It is like Ibori, Tinubu and Ganduje giving a lecture on the evils of corruption at Oxford.

Danielnino00:
Totally different scenario my ass...

In ur opinion,iorfa was good enough for wolves but he was denied opportunity while Awaziem wasn't good enough for Porto...
Double standard!

Your negative prejudice has befuddled your sense of reasoning.

It would not have taken you much to actually look at the facts. But as usual you anchor yourself on the emotive not the substantive.

As a teenager Dominic started playing for Wolves first team in the Championship. From 2014/15, 2015/16 and 2016/17 he played 84 games in the Championship consecutively. He was the first name on the team sheet, winning MOTM on occasion. He was the poster boy of Wolves, I know this because they told me.

On this basis he refused a move to a number of EPL clubs misguided loyalty.

From his perfomance he was invited to train with the English senior team. May 2017, Mendes takes over Wolves by proxy and appoints Nuno as Manager.

Immediately top players brought in from Portuguese First division about 8/9 players. Dominic Iorfa refused to sign a long term contract and he was immediately sent on a last minute loan to Ipswich not even allowed to train with Wolves First team. After that he was frozen out completely.

Awaziem been at Porto since 2015 has played 10 games for his parent club. That in itself tells a story. He has never been good enough for Porto and is considered a simple bizness transaction to be farmed out for profit at any time he can be sold.

So can you tell me how these two scenario are the same or are in anyway similar.

Unless you are Super deluded there is no iota of similarity.

LTGEN:
That weed is very potent.
Nigeria is getting a upgraded Airfield with a simulator , ammunition storage facilities, hangar facilities ( remember the jaguars?) + extra training facilities how on earth does this transmit to a joint US - Nigeria base ? Recently Nigeria purchased Tanks ( VT-4) Brand new Artillery Systems and Tank Destroyers , because it is nothing that Nigeria has in her inventory , She sent some Tankers to China and it is expected when the Airports open Sept 5, 2020, that Military Personnel from China will be present to show how they work and get the bugs out of these systems does that mean there is a base China- Nigeria base in the making?
Nah wah
Any time there is good news there has to be one bad belle.

Considering our vast defence needs and our the areas of contention.

How many did we buy to meet that very desperate need. 250 MBT's,400 IFV's and how many mobile artillery pieces 200.

Tell me please,

mostob:
If they were not good enough, Why sign them in the first place.? Mikel Agu I'd not good enough,he will be playing for Nantes hopefully next season... Awaziem is not good enough,Dude went to Nantes and leganes and proved himself.If Awaziem ain't good,why didn't they sanctioned his permanent move to Nantes. ? I will agreed Eze and Nwakali may not be good and ambitious enough but the case of Agu and Awaziem is just somehow.
But ,how many decent players dey that team sef ?

Porto absolutely sanctioned Awaziem permanent transfer to Nantes. But the value that Porto had was not the Value Nantes had.

Very simple Nantes did not rate him enough to pay even half of the asking price, placed on him by Porto.