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soetanoreoluwa:
Names plus source

The source is me.

You should know that l go to a lot of clubs for games and training sessions.

Furthermore, because only a very few EPL clubs have opened their youth teams for training. I would be compromising my anonymity.

But it's not a big deal, because there is no top EPL academy that does not have a good number of Nigerian origin players in the club.

IDENNAA:
It's not about how many but the system that presents boundless opportunities even for the crappy ones among them. Our boys in Nigeria don't even have 1% of the opportunities these English born enjoy. If Nwakali was an English he may have won EPL player of the year by now.

Think about it for a moment

If Nwakali was English he would be in non league and or out of football.

IDENNAA:
If Eberechi Eze becomes really good he will not play for Nigeria of England wanst him, period.

Would you like to put a wager on that.


To know not but to think that you know is more than ignorant. How many Nigerian origin players do you know in England, that makes you jump to this very misguided deduction.

In the meantime four Nigerian origin players just signed for a very top EPL club U23's.

Let's see how they will progress.

mostob:
Lolz.. you know you have a point sha . But if not for age cheat and other factors, I want to believe we won't be after all these foreign borns. In the last 7 years, our younger teams have produced the like of Osimhen ,Kelechi, Samu ,Awaziem and co. for the national team. Imagine it keeps happening like this every 2-3 years,we won't be after those BOROUGH boys. In other words,they would be after us

One thing that you really need to understand VERY CLEARLY.

Any young Africa origin player in England and Europe in general doing well does not need the Nigerian national team to progress his career.

However, for players born in Nigeria and playing in Nigeria they ABSOLUTELY NEED the national team to progress their careers. Playing youth football may be the big step to a fruitful career in Europe.

Eberechi Eze, l said this ages ago will play for Nigeria once he has settled his long term contract. Part of that process is creating value as a English national team prospect. That brings more value and interest in the short term.

The idea they will be after us is not exactly true. However, for the love of the Father land they will play for Nigeria.

That possibility is becoming more above board with Yobo in the process. And l see a lot more Nigeria origin players playing for Nigeria who are playing in England.

IDENNAA:
I disagree based on the fact that if same boy was loaned out to a non English league club he will fumble just like his borough peers....you get it.

I am yet to see any borough boy made it BIG outside England but I could be wrong and you would inform me.

Jadon Sancho (best young player in the world) says good morning Uncle Bad Belle, how market today.

IDENNAA:
Saka is average , nothing special. And you wonder why they didn't invite him. None of these borough boy can measure up to talents we produce in Nigeria

From a man who claims to be living in the USA for the past 15 years.

Even people living in Nigeria will not come out and make such a crass ignorant and regressive statement. It's the sort of thing not even an illiterate will say.

elunico:
Was the Championship the only place he has played?

He went on loan to Getafe, did he make an outstanding impression to generate interest for a permanent move.

I really can't say, only time will tell.

TheOtherCitizen:
Sources close to Stoke or Etebo have leaked nothing yet.

Etebo is no small player. He was well rated at World Cup. Don't doubt his potential.

Etebo had an outstanding world cup undoubtedly.

However, he has not been outstanding in the Championship but far from it. That means he will not be generating too much interest.

That's the harsh reality of football.

GeneralMarshall:
Correction bro, our JF-17 is not coming with AESA radar. Ours is the Block 2,,, only the Block 3 has AESA radar, BVR capabilities and a much powerful engine. That is the reason I am happy we bought only 3 for a start.

Hopefully, we would be buying more of the JF-17 Block 3, which is actually equivalent to the US F-16. I read somewhere that our plan is to buy 2 squadrons,, but I can't verify that.

Equivalent does not in many way or shape mean same capability.

The F16 is tried and tested and PROVEN unlike the simulated much lower quality JF17 Pakistan manufactured in association with Chinese.

It's very cheap in comparison.

kikuyu1:
Finally,a brand new twin turbo attack plane,the TAV,Tactical Aerial Vehicle from a Canadian outfit in Qeubec.


[url]https://www.icarus-aerospace.com/tactical-air-vehicle-tav/
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I'd have gone for a side by side cockpit. Easier cross communication under the stress of live fire. The beauty is the gun calibre can be changed:a 30mm is too heavy for BH;a 23 milly is more than adequate. I can't find anything on price but the TAV FAC,Flyaway Cost should be max 12 mn$ without the usual high ancillary cost associated with US equipment.
Compare with Wing Loong and A 29 Tuc.

Edit: The OV 10 foundation is obvious.

This frame looks capable and available and most assuredly BETTER VALUE, if Indeed we are talking $10/12 million. Then one should expect complete delivery within 12 months not 6 years.

My issue has always been about " BEST VALUE " and the availability. We need assets desperately NOW not Tomorrow because we are fighting a current bloody existential threat and war.

No amount of spin can hide the fact that we are seriously struggling on multiliple fronts on this war.

It seems similar to the USAF Bronco see YouTube clip below. It's been around for donkey years. Instead of the A29 l would have procured the Bronco at dirt cheap used prices for an airframe that's been retired.

That means acquisition will be in multiples of 20 maybe 60 aircraft. That would make a huge impact. Using the approach most effective use of scarce resources for the greatest impact.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gP8sqgqEFw



If we complemented the acquisition with 50 Wing Loong II UAV's. Then we would have 24/7/365 complete situational aware and offensive response over the entire areas of contention in the North.

demolition:

LOL. E go shock you and the FG.

Shebi na we dey expect western weapons and we keep violating basic fundamental human rights.

We have lost our geo political standing in the region we are no longer considered influential and therefore not valuable.

Add to that, to be blunt we are a poor nation with no money to spend.

The issue of human rights is bigoted hypocrisy and double standard if that claim has any truth in it, by the USA and other western nations.

Because when it comes to human rights Saudi Arabia, Egypt and others have an abysmal record compared to us. We are like saints compared to Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, etc

Philosopher1979:
Heerenven needs money that is all. They are a small club with little money. I bet he has no say in the matter. African players are not given their own rights. However European players can make their decisions as they have better agents, publicists etc.
Also afrlican origin players are not well advertised

Here is olanrewaju kayode's wife talking about how she freed her husband from slave contracts. Recorded in Vanguard newspapper

https://www.vanguardngr.com/2020/08/how-i-freed-my-husband-from-slave-contracts-mrs-kayode-fa-licensed-football-agent/

He is lucky his wife is a lawyer. Nigerian football federation should address this problem

All these permutations are a consideration.

However, in my opinion the real issue is AFRICAN PLAYERS ARE TOO DESPERATE.

As a result they are very willing with both eyes open too sign thier entire generation and ancestral village away if they could, for a contract in Europe.

Again there are reasons for this that are also relative.

But the Nigerian factors brings another dimension. I digress to convey my point, when I go across Europe l see females from Burkina, Mali, Niger, etc places where we have. Look Me, l look you we are starving to death with Famine.

But on getting to Europe the females will take up employment as cleaners, care workers, Kitchen staff,etc and be content. Not our Naija babes they will do all kinds of unprintable things, in the name of money.

So our quest for money makes us do desperate even depraved things.

When I go Antwerp I see multitudes of Nigerian men washing cars for a living after failed football dreams in Europe and ashamed to return back to Nigeria.

I don't know why, I SEE NO SHAME, but somehow they do. I don't get it.

andrewbaba44:
I do agree with you most times but i do wonder if you watch fooball most times or even know about the game

A caliber of player like yannick bolaise went to the belgium league and scored 6 goals in 17 games and you call that the status of a lion in that league ?

No doubt bolaise is not more of a goal scorer but he should have done better than that,that stats is just average and cant be referred as a lion in that league, i am even sure if moses simon goes back to the belgian league at some point he would do better than that

Put a poor scorer like zaha in the belgian league and watch him get the lion stats hand do better than bolaise

You think bolaise will have a chance under ancelotti at the expense of iwobi? You must be a warri dreamer

The trouble is not Bolasie but Iwobi.

Iwobi has not really defined himself and given himself can quality and indisputable identity. He is neither an out and out winger or a AM. he is like a hybrid electric or petrol we really do not know.

An in form Bolasie as a natural winger will displace Iwobi on the wings leaving him to fight for a Midfield slot against Gomez and others.

And l am not dreaming.

17 games and 6 goals is very good for a winger l think, maybe if he had played a whole season that's another 12 games he would have scored more.

andrewbaba44:
Lol

Few people like edopesin and some other monikers will get my point due to some of my last arguement before I was banned

I no Dey downplay Bayern ooo

Best team in Europe for now

SHOCKING you were banned

Philosopher1979:
Ndidi CANNOT STAND UP TO SUNDAY OLISEH
Whenever i watch modern Nigerian players i am dismayed. The standards of their forefathers are higher. In the last ten years we have not produced a midfielder who can pass like Sunday Oliseh or a winger that can cross like George Finidi. I mean 10 YEARS. I watch modern Nigerian footballers and i wonder what is happening.
Im not criticizing but i am only being honest. I mean can we produce a play maker better than Okocha or at his level.
I have an old man as a friend who does not watch Nigeria's matches because compared to his era (Segun Odegbami, Muda Lawal etc), the modern Nigerian footballer is average and sometimes even horrible.
Its just my observations.

I agree unreservedly, in my opinion our football has regressed.

At a time our players were players playing in the elite clubs of Europe and players with a very high profile.

Monaco, Inter, Arsenal, PSG, Ajax, Borussia, that's not the position anymore.

Consider our previous forward line up, Yakubu, Kanu, Amokachi, Osaze, Obagoal, Yekini, Ikpeba, Finidi, even our lesser forwards Anichebe, Kalu, Akpoberie, would walk into the current set up.

The current forwards may be making more money but lf we were to go back in time l can't see Ighalo and Osimhen displacing any of our former stars.

Danielnino00:
6 goals in 17 games in the Belgian league is what he is making noise about ..

Belgian league that Nigerians have used to play around

Simon, Onyekuru,Kalu,Imoh Ezekiel, Joseph Akpala,even Osimhen..

I don't remember him calling Osimhen a lion after his exploits in Belgium...
I actually remember him saying something like Osimhen's exploits in Belgium was no big deal because of the quality of the league

You couldn't resist the temptations to join the rabble of nonsense train of thought.

Yannick Bolasie is a winger, and once exceptional one in the EPL not too long ago.

The terms of measurement for a winger are very different as compared to a striker. A simple deduction that is lost on you.

Add to the fact he has been struggling with Injury recovery, for some players an ACL can be the end of their careers. We know that Ebuehi who had the same injury is struggling to get back to form. I remember Osaze had similar at Stoke and after that he was never able to get back to form.

But he is back at Everton is 31 years old and us seemingly back to form and is going to give Iwobi a problem. That's the context.

Subzero047:
This is the top scorers list for the Belgian league, you know who is missing? The lion in a lower league Yannick Bolasie

To think that Bolasie who was bought for 30 million (The price tag you use to castigate Iheanacho) flopped at Everton, went to the Belgian league and scored a paltry 6 goals but Umar who was bought for nothing, had his early careers at Roma and tearing up the Serbian league is not a 'Lion in a lower league' is nothing but the height of delusion, but I'm sure you know all about it

Your delusional misguided sense of reasoning precedes you.

What on earth has Bolasie got to do with Umar or the proposition of "Lion in a lower league". I see no relationship.

Bolasie is an Everton player who had an ACL injury, had surgery and lost form. Some players are never the same after an ACL. He then had to go on loan because he simply could not meet the standard.

However, he is a bona-fide winger and the terms of assessment for a winger are very different from a striker. For instance a winger scoring 10 goals in a season would be considered exceptional but not necessarily for a striker.

Then when you look at things with a a bit of depth we discover he played 17 games only and was able to score 6 goals. That's not amazing but quite exceptional.

I see no double standard but then someone like you would and maybe a few others as well.

Yannick Bolasie lost form and lost his position due to injury and now it seems he has recovered and is getting back to form and as such is creating an issue because he is a natural winger which Iwobi is not.

Philosopher1979:
How was his performance. Did he play well. Did you watch the match

When the season starts you ABSOLUTELY MUST hit the ground running.

It is not that Onyekuru played badly but there were a number of players who played better than him and made a better impact.

The Martins dude was one l noticed.

He has time to recover and get back and stake a claim but his time is not unlimited.

Let's see the next few games, he has to up hus game.

Subzero047:
Now we know what a lion in a small league is

But Sadiq Umar who scored 12 goals and 13 assists in 24 matches in Serbian league is not a lion in a small league, double mouthed hypocrisy

Do not pervert my proposition to suit your nefarious narrative. There is a VERY BIG DIFFERENCE, but that will be lost on you.

Umar after 7 years in Europe, started off with Roma, then multiple loans in Seria A, B, then the Eredivisie as well as Scottish premier league. On all occasions he has been unable to claim a regular shirt very average but in the Scottish Premier league abysmal.

He then drops to the backwaters of European football after how many years in European football, with a league rated 20 in Europe, and is doing very well in that low level league.

However, is it a case of this is his level ❓ or genuine improvement. Until he moves to a better league he is still poor quality.

So when a player who has played in far higher leagues for several years without making any real progressive improvement drops 15 leagues below and then performs we should then say he is now a Lion.

He is simply a big fish in a very small pond, until he moves to the ocean we really can not tell if he he is a good swimmer.

You are the double standard bigoted hypocrite blinded by negative prejudice.

Finally, he is not the best in that low level league he not even in the top 5. So even the tag Lion in a low league is open to debate.

IDENNAA:
You don't compare orange and apple. Nwakali is a playmaker

So why has he not been able to make play in any team for the past five years.

Is he a "PLAY MAKER" only in fantasy football.

TheLoneCitizen:
That's my point, Iwobi is levels above, but Bolasie still outperformed man.
Bolowolowo, that's why.

By the way, I knew Liverpool twitter would go into meltdown if Brewster scored.

Bolasie was outstanding quality until he got the ACL injury after surgery he struggled to get back to form.

Even went to the lowly rated Belguim league after he struggled in the Championship with Aston Villa. He then became a Lion as a winger he scored 6 in 17 games for Anderlecht his best ever perfomance. Did not do too good for Porto this season, just the one goal.

I really should have gone to watch the game but l had another game to go too.

It may be that Bolasie may find himself back in an Everton Shirt. That may spell trouble for Iwobi.

Because a back in form Bolasie on the wing is far better than Iwobi on the wing.

SuperSixSeven:
1. Germany scrapped their Alphas a deacade ago, only Belgum just recently retired theirs and sold them to a Canadian private company.

2. And how long would it take to upgrade a old platform and then integrate and test new weapons on it? More important: How much do we want to invest on a 30year old fleet that is going to reach its end of life in the next 5-10years? We have to think future!




Just a note: Niger doesnt fly A-29s and Ghana is not involved in a armed conflict.

The ability to use precision ammunition is indeed a game changer for the NAF. New combat doctrines and tactics are going open a wider spectrum of options in air-ground missions.

My mistake l got that wrong it's actually Burkina Faso and Mauritania.

Before you prepare for the future you must also deal with the PRESENT.

Germany have a considerable inventory of Alpha Jets in storage. It will take weeks to upgrade with retro fitting.

Precision weaponry is not the exclusive preserve of the A29. And you should look at the costs involved with USA sourced precision weaponry.

I always talk about " BEST VALUE "

With regard to Boko at this rate we are already facing an existential threat and you are talking about future life cycle of air frame. If they can give us just 6-8 years of operational effectiveness I happy. We need to stop Boko and all its affiliates NOW not later.

The pertinent question is how much will it cost to procure 12 Alpha jets and upgrade them for night and day precision weapon capability. ❓ ❓

Don't forget these A29 are costings in upwards of £38 million per aircraft. What are the associated maintenance and operational costs.

The NAF should effectively by now be experts in everything Alpha Jet. So our maintenance costs are much lower with some degree of local content parts available. Fuel costs are high but that's the pay off. Which is not a huge consideration.

In my opinion the Alpha Jet is our most reliable and cost-effective asset so far.

Toju200:
you're right NAF does have strike capabilities against BHT/ ISWAP but it's limited hence procurement for advance systems.
For example the MI35M is more advanced than the other Mi24v/35p
The super Tucano is upgraded than the alpha jet and can deliver guided munitions
It can be used for ISR ( advantage over the alpha jet) and CAS
The alpha jet also depends on Other ISR platforms during interdiction missions for target acquisitions hence the procurement of Drones,JF17,super Tucano
For low fuel cost and longer Loitering time Drones play a big role

Nigeria is an oil producing nation and as such, l want to believe we have the capacity to refine aviation fuel. So fuel costs should not be too much of an issue.

The fuel consumption of a UAV is very minimal compared to any turboprop aircraft or any other aircraft for that matter. With a UAV you present a continuous and never ending threat to the enemy 25/7/365 night and day. It gives you also ISTAR over a the entire area of contention.

It doesn't take one year to train a UAV pilots, ask Turkey how long it took them to train the Libyan operators.

The Alpha Jet can be upgraded that means if we wanted we could get 24 used Alpha jets from Germany today to increase our capacity have them upgraded for precision munitions. That's in the HERE and NOW not in 3/4 years time.

We are in a DIRE situation it means we need assets like yesterday. Not futurist but now.

The Tucano A29 is not a game changer, what had it done for Niger and Ghana. An asset yes but a game changer no.

You must look at cost benefit analysis and in that regard returns.

Look at the cost of the Tucano and then consider holistically the various other AVAILABLE HERE and NOW Options and alternatives both ground and air. That would make a difference.

With my very little understanding and experience l can say that there is a pre- occupationa with the best deal that results in personal benefit as opposed to what is the best option to end this war.

Very recent we talked of the costs of procurement of the S. African Ratel and Rooikat IFV. From our South African brothers.

DABIGATRAN:
Don't mind the pessimists. I have read tons of biased reports here about the same Kalu that has been one of our most productive players post-Russia 2018. That he's having a rough patch recently doesn't obviate the talent that made him one of the most sought-after wingers in Europe at a time.
For those comparing Kalu with Saka, they should wait for Saka to don our national colours first.

Sought after wingers in Europe would make him among the top 10 in Europe, which he is certainly not.

A good decent winger yes but top 10 in Europe sorry that's not my view.

Is he even in the top 10 of French league one ❓

chrisooblog:
equal stats but Awaziem edges it with one assist. plus Nantes wanted to make Awaziem's transfer permanent correct me but I'm not sure Ilori was wanted permanently by Bordeaux

Wanted to but did not, so it's not commendation but condemnation.

chrisooblog:
your comparison is deceptive. besides how many games did Ilori play? if Ilori did so well he would have been signed up by French or Spanish clubs plus he's 4 years older than Awaziem

modified

4 years older OFFICIALLY

forgiveness:
I will choose Kayode ahead of the bolded.

Agreed without reservation

Kog45:
Oga Charles,a fit Balogun is better than all these players you mentioned.

Oh if na age matter I for gree my man but I can tell you that Omeruo and likely Awaziem are older than Balogun.

Pls which one be federal character again or are you saying Rohr is collecting bribe.

All Ahmed Musa need is to go back to European league again,forget all these Oyekwuru,Kalu hypes,may be Chuckwueze would be able to do it I don't know...

If I remember vividly Ahmed Musa have four World Cup goals.

Your brutal no look anybody face HONESTY is Amazing.

I hail your liver and heart

chrisooblog:
slight adjustment

2) Iheanacho - Proven SE player. Above average in EPL
7) Musa - Proven SE player performed at highest international level
10) Umar - showed promise in Seria A and Dutch Eredivise. Doing well in Serbia. Did well at Rio. untested and unproven in international soccer
11) Nwaemeke - tested in SE yet to prove quality
13) Iwobi - Struggling in EPL but proven in SE
14) Kayode - Laliga flop. tested in SE yet to prove quality

Based on SE performances yes Ighalo was outstanding but based strictly on club football at the highest level (not championship) sorry he leaves a lot to be desired. between Seria A, La Liga and EPL Odion has only scored more than 10 goals once. please that is not something to advertise as outstanding

Musa actually flopped in the EPL but was still outstanding for the SE agreed, after playing in the middle east does he still have it ❓

KC is a flop in the EPL but above average competence in the SE.

Kayode was on fire in the Austrian league but did not get a run of games in the SE. A flop I disagree, he needs to prove quality for now way down the list.

Umar has been at best very average in better leagues but was totally abysmal in Rangers. He has gone to the backwaters of Europe and has been very good not the best in the league. He needs to upgrade his league and club and prove he has quality.

I noticed a player rejected by Arsenal dismissed at WBA is now becoming the best left winger in Europe.

The one consistent thing of football is CHANGE either up or down.

charlesemeka85:
Oga go and sleep. Rome wasn't built in a day. They re unproven to you buh still good enough for the super eagles coach who calls them up always

I am so glad 80% of this players you mentioned are doing their thing in Europe top 5 leagues, they re in their early 20s so the room for improvement is evident. When iggy was in their age didn't achieve half of what these young guns hv achieved.

I want to remind you once again that osimhen currently is the most expensive signing in the history of Nigerian football. If he wasn't doing something right Napoli won't risk such amount to bring him on board

SHOCKING display of sentiment based inference, you jumped in without actually knowing where this particular discussion emanated from.

You are shameless in your changing of the goals posts and the trajectory of the discourse.

The core subject as you have it seems intentionally forgotten but let me remind you, " According to some, you included is that we do not need Ighalo and VM" Danielninoo claimed there were available options and as such Ighalo and VM are not needed.

A list of supposed better alternatives was presented by Danielninoo. I simply in comparison to Ighalo and VM find that none of these "available options" is better in their respective positions than VM or Ighalo, that's my position .

None of them have achieved what VM and Ighalo have achieved in their careers so far. Indeed they may not achieve. You are essentially counting chicks before they have hatched and speculating what size they will be.

With Ighalo and VM there is no speculation their outstanding quality is there for all too see, Tried, Tested and PROVEN.

I then gave my reasons in a nutshell comparison to Ighalo and VM.

I will indulge you slightly 80% of these players according to you are doing their thing in Europe top 5 league. However, how many are outstanding in Europe apart from Victor Osimhen.

The easier part for a footballer in one context is the high transfer fee. The harder part is to live up to expectations of that huge transfer fee.

And yes many clubs have paid huge fees, and lived to regret it. Indeed it is a very common phenomenon. Like l said the true test is what Victor will do in Seria A, this season not the transfer fee.

Danielnino00:
Available options**
1) Osimhen
2) Iheanacho
3) Simon
4) Chukwueze
5) Kalu
6) Onyekuru
7) Musa
Onauchu
9) Dessers
10) Umar
11) Nwaekeme
12) Ejuke
13) Iwobi
14) Kayode


Up for grabs**

15) Saka
16) Eze

Available options**
1) Osimhen - good quality yet to be proven at Higher quality Seria A.
2) Iheanacho - EPL flop
3) Simon - Good
4) Chukwueze - 3 goals in 37 games, a lot of development work required.
5) Kalu - Ok but not outstanding
6) Onyekuru - Good but unproven at Higher level
7) Musa - EPL flop
Onauchu - unable to justify selection from games played in the SE
9) Dessers. - untested at a higher level
10) Umar - very low quality league ( village champion)
11) Nwaekeme - untested at a higher level
12) Ejuke - untested at a higher level
13) Iwobi - midfielder
14) Kayode - Good potential but untested in SE opportunity not given.


None of these players has attained the level of Ighalo and none of them is better than him. The only player able to contend is Osimhen.

We talk about players in form, what will be Osimhen form in the much more quality and competitive Seria A.

He will not be the focal point of the team and with a ball played into space and or over the top of defenders for him to run onto as the main strategy will simply not work in Seria A. This league is well know for defending and closing spaces.

This is a test that Ighalo has already passed with flying colours, PROVEN, TESTED and CONFIRMED.

If we bring Vic Moses into the equation none of them has played at his level and or exceeded his ability.