₦airaland Forum

SamuelAnyawu:
Repelled They wear saying it aloud that they'll be back.

This is where I always fault the military if it is against our security ethics to chase them.

There is something WRONG we are always repelling.

That simply means you held your ground DEFENSIVELY not OFFENSIVELY and they have left you to come back again.

When l heard they attacked one of the villages and took their cattle. Imagine how slow moving cattle are and the tracks they level behind. Hmmm what did we do.

youghs:
No that's not what am talking bro.. Remember CAS went to NASDRA in 2016 I think to help them improve the range of their rockets to about 5km and also guide them

What's the current maximum range of our rockets as opposed to the future projected yet to be realised in the near future range.

klhazhik:
A average Nigeria Regular Soldier undergo S.E.R.E which include some basic krav maga, core kickboxing/boxing, i no fit talk Police sha o...

Distance between those service men (while on their knees) and their executors give them more advantage to disarming, eliminating and responsive shooting...

Meanwhile, they have slightest ratio of survival ( that's if the execution team is more than the two executors, the cameraman and possibly a driver) but they can still take at least two with them, before being shot dead, because if they disarm those terrorist, the terrorist will have no choice but to open fire on them. Then it depends on their luck...

Kneeling down, blindfolded without being locked is a bit weird, to see a force man like that

I have done all those training and more and that will not help you in a situation with volatile Jihadists with AK47's all around you.

You have been watching too many films real life my friend is VERY DIFFERENT.

Pray you don't fall into that situation.

blacKDalia:
You didn't understand me "properly", there was no place I wrote about preferring the Hilux to the Humvee. What I meant is, there's no difference between a normal /not armored /un-armoured Humvee and a Hilux. Haven't you seen a civilian Humvee on our streets? The difference is one is "tushed up" and the other is not.

When we talk of humvees l don't think anybody is talking about civilian variant but the uparmoured Humvee.

As regard 14.5mm caliber bullets and or 12.7 even our MRAP will not stop that particular calibre.

Boko and ISWAP fighters in the main have light weapon indeed 95% + of thier fighter will have the ubiquitous AK47.

So if you have armoured vehicles you have effectively mitigated against 95% of the threat against you. Then you have to find away to deal with the gun trucks, Rpg7's and IED's.

That will reduce DRASTICALLY our casualty rate in the first instance.

joshingjosh:
How many terrorists are killed as a result of the airstrike

They are more to these than just airstrike. Boots on the ground is more beneficial than Airstrike.

Facts:
1) Isreal used cluster bomb on Hezbollah secured caves and there was little/no positive result.
2) Check the time Navy seals were pinned down on a mountain top by Terrorists dugged in a cave, they used airstrikes still, nothing..then ended up losing men(special forces including Rangers sent to their rescue). The men on ground had to destroy the dugged in position.


#Bootsongroundmatters.


Happy birthday in arrears.

Agreed without reservation

I have said this before air strikes give you limited impact when it comes to fighting an attrition war with insurgents who are very fluid and really engage with gorilla tactics.

Without boots on the ground, with a very clear TACTICAL STRATEGIC PLAN. You will have little impact.

Philosopher1979:
Abeg na rascism. They always underrate Africans and in this day of black lives matter maybe we should protest.
Wetin the people there dey play we e no fit play.
Abeg
Anyway i know he will enter as a sub and make an impact

I don't know how you define racism ❓ But it is entirely anchored on race which has an intrinsic link to colour.

That being the case are you saying that because he is African he is being discriminated against ❓

I noticed that the Cameroon player Anguissa played. Then according to your theory he should not be playing.

Joebie:
IF he starts playing for City, I definitely will. Same applies to any player now having a rough patch. K.Nwakali etc
Like I said, if he commits to Nigeria today he will be down the pecking order in SE. That's the context of my original post.

Modified,

Certainly, Uduokhai, Torunarigha are players that would push for places if they commit today.

How can you be comparing a player who has done nothing beyond youth football glories for the past 5 years.

He was anonymous in the Eredivisie went lower to the second tier Eerste Divisie and was unheard of. The he descended to Porto B youth football and has gone to Huesca and has struggled to get a game.

Football is an open gallery you perform you get noticed there is no secret.

Nwakali has only performed on youth football.

Tosin Adarabioyo is still a City player who has had a very good season in the Championship. That's why multiple EPL clubs want him.

Finally, the Segunda División is so poorly funded they can't attract quality players the league is no where near the level of competitivness and quality seen in the Championship.

I can guess superficially that the transfer expenditure of one club in the Championship could compete with almost the whole Segunda División transfer expenditure.

kikuyu1:
You're right about the Gaz Tigre but where do you get the other prices? I've got rebuilt BTR-60s going for 200k $! -80s are twice that while the BMP 2 is a million dollars!?.

http://nationsdawnofanera.weebly.com/afvs.html

I could post a plethora of Eastern Block companies. With huge disparities in prices.

But l was looking at direct procurement not from companies trying to make a killing.

youghs:
The Disinformation in most of your writing is damn enormous bro.

Can you very kindly give me just one instance.

Let me remind you of the meaning of disinformation - false information which is intended to mislead. I will lay emphasis on the word FALSE.

I challenge you to show one item not two that is false. Or it means you are False and intentionally misleading.

I am almost certain you will not RESPOND because you simply cannot.

Toju200:
NAF don't respond to most of the attack on FOBs and convoy Why because they're most times not aware
Give NAF timely Info and they'll respond
An Example is the Auno attack last year.
The populance gave the military Timely info even before ISWAP struck.
NAF prepared a well package Force of Alpha jet,L39ZA and Two gunships to counter two fronts.
Or the Dapchi attack,Guy NAF do respond to CAS if called.
Let's not compare the situation in Mali and Nigeria first of all
The land mass in NE alone is huge and there are so many fronts coupled with our porous borders

Not aware !!! That's ludicrous and completely unacceptable where is the communication infrastructure. That means combatants and the airforce are operating blind. Is there no mobile network in that area, l am sure people will phone.

Add to that where is our spatial situational awareness.❓ ❓

I want to presume you did Geography at school from your diction it was not that long ago.

The Land mass of contention for which operation Barkhan has as it's area of contention. Covers Mali, Burkina and Niger. Now think again, about land mass, all borders in sub Sahara Africa are porous.

Th land mass that the French operation covers is probably 15 times the size of the area of contention in the NE of Nigeria.

In all honesty if there is an ambush and or fire fight between Boko and the NA. The proximity may be too close for any air strike without hitting friendly forces.

I know our aircraft don't have precision munitions so you can't even laser paint a target for them to hit.

If the NAF had invested in an effective number of UAV's at least that can do overwatch for 30 hours +. For instance the Wing Loong II UAV with its 12 ATGM's

Then you would simply not have this problem as well as the deadly impact on our Gallant and very brave long suffering combatants.

Odunayaw:
Exactly my point. You're quoting figures that's out of context. Who says we use the "current model". You're even shooting your own post down. Even if we used this 'current model', you yourself says its around 50k. Where did you pull out the assertive 60k quote in your last post if not from your hairy armpit.

Tears. When you excrete, be a man and own it. The pictures DO NOT look like a BTR-60.



Yeah your "context" ramblings. The conversation becomes a raccoon fight when you inflate the price of a Toyota (Especially the Landcruiser and Hilux we use!) just to drive your point on the BTR 80

Exactly, everyone sees nothing wrong. But I asked you a simple question based on militaries in Africa with more money at their disposal. Heck! NVG wasn't standard for the Brits in Afghan and Iraq.

I'd let the vitriolic insults you started with slide.

This is not a competition of who know pass, l really dont what your argument is.

The preferred gun truck or if you like the bench mark is the series 70 Toyota Land cruiser double cab pick-up, the current one is series 79. If you remember l said base model costs £50k.

When you modify it to meet military standard there will additional costs. Finally, paying attention to detail is a sign of intelligence. When l talked about the approximate cost l said $60k convert £50k to $ and you get $62.5k at today's rate.Below a YouTube video of commissioning of the series 79 gun trucks in Abuja two months ago.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnzO1GnpJ5k

If you say it's not a BTR 60 then tell us what it is please. Please educate me.

Below a picture of the more updated recommended BTR 80, with a 30 mm cannon. Far from perfect but much better than a soft skinned pick up gun truck.

Toju200:
I still don't get something.
Where are all these terrorists emerging from.
Despite the Airstrikes conducted against them which visibly we see proofs
The recent operations which again we saw proofs of success

These guys still comes out kidnap people unluckily service men fell victim
And they into hiding Question is where
NAF has been conducting intense ISR operations
We should just rotate troops in the NE deploy fresh ones including a unit of AFSF

On my birthday it was two service men death day so sad...

If air strikes could end an insurgency then the Taliban would have been overcome a long time ago, the same goes for ISIS in Syria and Iraq.

The French air force has everything to control the skies over Mali, Niger and Burkina. But the Jihadists are still alive and kicking.

The War in the NE will not be won with limited air strikes on a very fluid and mobile insurgent group. Even when they are identified they bunker down and the strikes get some but not all.

Our strategy seems conventional and reactive.

How can Boko come into an area and operate for 2 hours with 10 gun trucks. Particularly on a well known highway and some how get away.

Something is clearly not right.

Boko and ISWAP are not afraid to ambush our convoys WHY. And it doesn't seem to be just IED's that give them the advantage. We saw a general and three Battalions with three big heavy MRAP's bogged down by 10-15 Boko gun trucks not too long ago. The NA admitted essentially to being overwhelmed at the time.

The French are carrying out Operation Barkhan following operation Serval and to date have lost 41 soldiers that's over 7 years.

We have about 21 fighter aircraft how many are operational, l dont know. How many attack helicopters do we have that are operational. How many heavy lift helicopters do we have to ensure supply chain logistics❓

Can the NAF respond to a minimum of 10 simultaneous different engagements with expedience at any one time. Within say 250 mile radius of Maiduguri within 20 minutes❓

Insurgents rarely attack directly French convoys WHY because of the response.

Essentially Boko have light arms, gun trucks and the usual rpg7's. What do we have ❓ Do we have definitive IFV's❓ Because it seems we lack the capacity to overcome an ambush. Having soldiers with AK47's in large numbers doesn't give you clear cut advantage.

Armoured vehicle multiple variants are needed like yesterday desperately

elunico:
How would that sound if it's coming from a white man? When a white man says: I don't have any Black friends. He dares not, else he gets hanged and shamed publicly.

Merriam-Webster is planning on redefining Racism, it'd be interesting to see what they come up with.

I've been insulted here enough, I'm done with this topic.

If a white guy says he has no black friends particularly in a country with minority black people is no big deal.

I have white Caucasian colleagues, associates, Church members, neighbours, football partners, etc I may socialise with them on the odd occasion.

But they are not my friends, l know who a friend is. I may not see my friends in Nigeria often bit they are DEFINITELY MY FRIENDS.

You must understand friend get category.

All the white guys l went university with not one is still in contact with me. However, they few Nigerians i knew in primary school in my neighbourhood in the UK as a child to this day are still my friends.

To be honest l call them brothers and not friends.

andrewbaba44:
Leave Rooney alone ,if this guy is not even the greatest English player self (among them )

Rooney has paid his dues and he won’t shine forever

One of the few English players lived up to his hype unlike others

Agreed

andrewbaba44:
Players won’t last forever ,players Dey weak

If you play as world class player till your 32 ,then I don’t care what will happen after that age ,as far as you are world class I will still consider you world class after that age ,body no be firewood

I agree with you 100% people like Messi and Ronaldo are from a different planet.

Joebie:
Adarabioyo will want to switch allegiance. But I'm afraid he is way down the pecking order and it would be hard for him to break into this current SE. He should be warned just like Lookman.

IMO he has had a steep learning curve he has had some very hard schooling in the Championship.

He has stopped being a boy, I watched him in one game bully Dominic Iorfa and score.

He is now outside of Tomori the best Nigerian origin central defender l expect to see him either playing for Man City, ( l will absolutely not be suprised) at the very least in the EPL.

So if he starts playing for City will that change our perception or any other EPL club.

Finally, who do you think is better than him currently or other prospects ❓

Edopesin:
if Ozil is world class, then Kehdira, Toni kroos, Higuain are also World class

My view is that he was but not anymore.

elunico:
[b]After calling me a KKK red neck mofo, racist and an Uncle Tom, I don't know why I still find it in me to reply u.

I can call you racist for not having White friends even though you're within their environment, oh, I forgot, Blacks can never be racist, it doesn't fit the victim narrative.

When I say black, I'm talking about those Black Americans still bitter about the slave trade my ancestors took no part in, I'm talking about those who are always jealous when ever they see a young African man being successful in a land they've failed to cut it, I'm talking about those ones who despise their black skins so much.

I'm cool with them Africans, the Eastern ones have respect for us, the Southerners, they're here and there, and a couple of Nigerian guys have tried to rip me off. The ladies are even worse, they mostly don't want anything to do with a Nigerian.

My group consists of the Asians and more Latinos as well, we respect each other we are also frank with each other. So, forgive me if I'm inclined to having a more diverse group of people I network with and also call friends. [/b]

I don't have a dislike or hatred towards white people.

In my professional capacity l am what they HATE a black man more educated and intelligent than they are. They hate the idea of having to be subordinate to me.

They smile at me but dislike me. They often plan and plot to discredit me but l am use to that. And in all honesty l overcome by the grace of God.

That doesn't mean all white folks are like that just the overwhelming vast majority. But most don't even know they are doing it, it's involuntarily and unconscious.

With regards to white women, l have the TOTAL OPPOSITE experience, they constantly shamelessly and blatantly approach me with all kinds innuendo about the Black Man prowess in thier imaginations. I dont find it flattering at all.

They then pass this information on to thier friends. And as the saying goes " Once you go black you don't go back" But l am not about to be used by white women for thier sexual pleasure or perverted fantasy and be thier "Jungle Fever".

Not all white women are like that. Nonetheless , l don't date white women.

The time it takes you to get one Black women you will probably have 20+ white women. Quality over quantity IMO

And no white women can experience what l experience and understand me or relate to me like a black woman can. EOD.

safarigirl:
Abeg, argument dey Twitter now,

Would you consider the likes of Ozil and Marcelo world class today?

Cc thesupernerd, joebie, andrew44, icon4s, komekn

That's difficult because the term world class is about consistency.

Messi and Ronaldo have really raised the level of what is world class. They have outstanding top level consistent performances for over a decade.

Then we look at Brazilian players once they have played for 10 years at most. They just become focused in relaxing and going back to Brazil and enjoy life and even getting fat.

In this regard Robinho,Ronaldinho, Kaka, Ronaldo, R. Carlos where world class.

My view is that you can be world class for a period and then if you get lazy no longer have the zeal. You loose your consistency.

Examples are Rooney, Ballack, Ozil. In this regard they were world class buy not anymore.

Then you have the Aguero, over 10 years of consistent and still top class.

At the moment Neymar is definitely world class but for how long. To me Balotelli should have been world class but just not disciplined enough.

Not too long ago Sanchez was close to world class then he gets £550k a week after tax and just looses it.

Finally, to be world class I would say you need to be in at least the top 5 in your particular position for at least 5 years both at club and national level.

Was Marcelo in the top 5 over 5 years hmmm yes and no, borderline. Was Ozil yes but not anymore.

Odunayaw:
The same hand-me-down MRAPs you want from EDAs are of the same weight class of the ARA you lampooned.

I beg to differ, NA cannot afford to have vehicles for different roles. Its just not viable. We all yell for standardization on a single platform across the classes of vehicles. If LAVs were dire to NA, Proforce PF2 could have been pressed into service in hundreds.

All things being equal, The Ara should have a lighter version. In the 9/10Ton class and at once cover all the LAV/APC/MRAP needs

Considering the bold you presented that's simply a nonsensical proposition with absolutely no substance. As well as devoid of any rationality.

Do you know how many different armoured vehicle variants Moroccan, Egypt, Algeria, Israel, UAE, Saudi A, have.

MRAP's still have thier use we say mission specific different missions require different vehicles.

I have noticed that the 20 or so MRAPS given to the NA for free have been used right in the heat of the battle leading the forward line in a frontal assault.

Can even begin to imagine the impact just 500 MRAP'S will have on the NA. Then add to that you got them for FREE that is dash. If you can't appreciate that then I'm lost for words where you are concerned.

Go back to my submission l used the term HERE and NOW we don't have time to wait for years to produce locally. Every day combatants are putting thier lives at risk getting captured as the rude in suicide soft skinned pick to trucks.

We need the equipment Now not even tomorrow.

That's why you procure used but still very much effective and capable. So you can have it NOW.

It would take less than a month to have 1000 different armoured vehicle platforms sourced from the Eastern block deployed in the NE.

Its this type of regressive thinking that made some very ill advised and down right inept decision. To procure 12 turboprop aircraft A29 with now we know from the contract specifications limited impact in 2018 that we will not see the first aircraft until the end of the Year and the in completion in 2024.

Who goes out to buy aircraft when you are fighting an existential insurgency with huge losses. That will take you 6 years to receive.

Is that not madness sorry to say.

Odunayaw:
What original parent company partner?



What heresy is this? Toyota Hilux $60k? Only the latest Toyota Rugged X (which we don't use) is of that price.

What BTR60! Do you know a BtR60?


What Army on the continent boasts NVG and Optic sights as standard?

Look at a person with ingrained bitter rancour and irrational deep seated negative self birthed prejudice.

You have a dislike sorry a HATRED for anything that l write, but why ❓ Your "bad belle" enraged hostility towards my contributions is like a "Red flag to a bull" unfortunately this deranged mentality has completely befuddled you ur sense of reasoning.

First of all I made reference to the Toyota gun trucks, which are in general recognised as the very durable and resilient 70 Series Toyota Land cruiser double cab pick-up. They are modified for military use and if it's the diesel derivative it will have a 4.2 diesel with a huge amount of torque.

The Current model is the series 79. I know it retails in Europe in excess of £50k in its base model. I would expect that if you are buying in multiples of 200 from manufacturers you should able to get a degree of wholesale discount.

At what stage did l make reference to the Toyota Hilux ❓

Yes I do know a BTR -60, as well as the multiple designations that have been manufactured across the entire former Eastern block.

Production of the BTR 60 ended in about 1980, Polish variant OT64, Romanian Tab71, The Ukrainian have thier own designation of the BTR.

The BTR has progressed from the BTR60, 70, 80, 90 and currently the improved armour and mine protection 82A. Although its life cycle is mow limited with the introduction of the excellent VPK-7829 Bumerang. APC.

Nigeria did procure in my opinion the much better BTR -3 in terms of it armour and mine protection. But again not in enough numbers maybe the NA has about 50 I really don't know. Shockingly we procured only 4 of the more modern BTR-4.

From the limited pictures and angle of view l can say l am almost 90% certain it is a BTR -60. For you to contend with me with such disdain implies you think l am WRONG .

Can you please educate us any tell what it is please the possibility exits I could be very wrong.

SO TELL US Please .

The context was that particularly the BTR 80 cam be procured used at either a lower or comparable price of a brand new Toyota gun truck.

Finally, l see nothing wrong with oil rich Nigeria and the NA having at least 30,000 NVG to be issued to NA combatants which would more or less make it standard issue. Why can't we be the first in Africa

As well as having a more precision minded assault rifle with optics as standard. Time to leave the AK47 behind in history.

GeneralFarouq:
Proforce Ara is a battle proven vehicle....
With the right amount of money it can be adjusted to IFV.
I dont know how out SFs are utilized, but search and destroy missiins should be one area where they shiuld.be better applied.
As for the NVG ggogles, clearly the army finds it difficult to procure this, I ve never seen one in a picture of soldiers at the frontline(this of course doenst mean there arent, but shows its scarcity) which is very relevant, esp. In search and destroy missions,
I think they shiuld partner with local companies to produce ones at cheaper rate...

The ARA is an MRAP it is absolutely not a light Armoured Vehicle. It's built on the truck chassis of the Tatra 4x4 Truck. Probably has a weight close too 20t.

Add to that it is not a IFV and cannot in circumstance be made into one.

It is not suited to search and destroy missions it's just too big and heavy. We are talking mobility and expedience and a more pro active response.

I did say the HERE & NOW we don't have the time to wait to have local manufacture.

What we are seeing is decades of misappropriation and disinvestment in the Nigerian armed forces.

Serious countries when they buy hardware they buy in 100's not in units of 10. That's simply not going to make any impact on the war in the NE.

We could buy into the USA the Excess Defense Articles Grant Program. Egypt was able to get 1000 MRAP you know how much they paid $0000.

This is why government pay lobbyists to get things done. This is how you play the game particularly if it looks good that Trump is fighting terrorism by giving equipment to Nigeria.

Bit if you can't get it from the USA you can get surplus equipment from Germany Russia etc at fraction of the full cost. With regards to Germany that includes the IFV Marder, the APC TPZ Fuchs which are surplus to Germany armed forces but would be very effective for the NA.

What the NA needs most is LAV's and APCS to end dependency on soft skinned suicide and up trucks and soldiers being carted to war in low loaders, dumpster trucks etc.

We need to up the game, optic sights and NVG should be close to standard. And yes we need to get a more modern assault rifle.

ugo4u:
As long as we still use pickup then most def we need humvees...
And am not saying humvee is the best in its class but it is better than pickup if for nothing else atleast against the elements (rain, sandstorm). Humvees should be the minimum By the way I've seen policemen fall off those pickups on Enroute a mission.

As for Innoson/Proforce I think they have capacity but the military authority might be complaining of funds.

Capacity for what❓ The add to that best value and most effective use of scarce resources.

Innoson is simply assembling Chinese copy cat engineering SUV. They are not armoured and in terms of durability and reliability that's another debate.

Proforce has very limited capacity again they use the chassis of a number of vehicles including Toyota pick ups and up armoured them.

There has been s technology transfer with regards to the MRAP vehicles they make from the original parent company partner.

The NA need at least 1000 + armoured vehicles today not tomorrow.

That means you need tried, tested and proven APC's, LAV's, IFV's ( do we have any at all) MRAP's as well as at least 200MBT's and to ensure operation effectiveness and move to a proactive approach at least 10 heavy lift helicopters.To ensure supply logistics support.

Anybody have an idea how much a soft skinned Toyota truck costs❓ my estimation $60k could be more. Anybody know how much the soft skinned Chinese questionable quality innoson BAIC pick up costs? ❓ Again my estimation at least $35k.

Our procurement has to be delivery NOW not tomorrow. And every one has to be armoured STANAG level 2 minimum.

First world Countries buy huge amounts of military hardware in thier defense budgets. With the exception of the USA most of this equipment hardly ever get used.

If you go across the Eastern block you will find multiple armoured vehicles platforms that have less than 5000km but are 10 years old.

These Eastern block countries with these huge stockpiles are looking at some of them as scrap metal.

If you look on page 1221 there are pics of what seems to me is BTR 60. These are the older ones it seems with the gasoline engines they can be bought for a less than $10K. I would look for the later BTR 80 models wholesale sale and if needed refurbished in Nigeria. Per unit price £50k. We should have at least 600.

With regards to LAV then procure the GAZ Tigre brand new unit price whole sale 1000 units should not be more than $100K they are STANAG 2.

IFV you have the Eastern block BMP2 again dirt cheap across the Eastern block $100k per unit 300.

MBT Czech Republic dashed Iraq 150+ some years ago that is how readily available they are. We really should not have less than 300 T72 upgraded or not.

These are all very cheap stop gap measures that are 1000 times better than the soft skinned suicide boxes we have our troops going in a forward frontal assault.

In the NE 95 % of the enemy are using AK47, the rest of the threats comes from IED, Rpg7 and the ubiquitous Gun trucks. If you are all in armoured vehicles vehicles you significantly reduce the enemy capacity to ambush also with the right vehicles you don't follow already established tracks again limiting the IED threats.

The enemy is very fluid and constant on the move and when in one place dug in bunker style buy always on the move.

The NA approach seems to be conventional and very reactive. Do we have semi autonomous search and destroy companies in groups of 10-15 armoured vehicles doing search and destroy across the areas of contention in the NE ❓ I DON'T KNOW.

Search and destroy is mainly about mobility you really need LAV's like the Russian Tigre or Amy other. Long range and very good off road capability. The USA JLTV is undoubtedly the best but like with all USA arms stupendously over priced $360k+ per unit.

AT this stage in out development NVG goggles and optic sights should be close to standard with personal communication infrastructure.

mkrest:
what position does he play?

Midfield if I'm right he is on loan from Tottenham to Reading.

elunico:
I've been called worse, so this doesn't mean a thing to me. Where were you when I was defending Odegbami's preference for local coaches?
[b]
I feel more comfortable in presence of some of my white friends than I'd ever be with the blacks out there. Mind you, I don't associate with them whites that are dumb.[/b]

I was born in the UK and l didn't come to Nigeria for the first time until I was 11 after finishing primary school. I was sent to boarding school in Warri.

I went to secondary school in Nigeria and after that did an internship of sorts in the accounts department of a tertiary institution.

I returned to the UK did my A/levels and attended two Russell group universities in the UK.

I have worked in the UK for many years and have several professional certifications at fellowship level. My area of speciality means that there are very very few Black people in my professional engagement and interaction. My professional environment is 99% white.

For all intents and purposes you could say l am fully integrated in to the UK society and l am very British.

Therefore l should have a huge network of friends professional and social.

To this date SHOCKINGLY to some here, I do not have any WHITE females or males that l can call FRIEND, not one.

My neighbourhood friends from when l was in Nigeria are still my friends. My friends from high school in Nigeria are still my friends. Indeed a group of us all met up last summer.

Nigerians who came over to the UK who studied at my university ( not my course mates) are still my friends. The guys from Nigeria that went to the same business school as me are still my friends in Nigeria. I cannot talk about all the Nigerian i know from football coaches, players and administrators. Guys in Nigeria I have done business are still my friends.

Meanwhile a very good % of them are based in Nigeria.

I really know a huge amount of white people but they are not my friends.

I don't know you but considering the bold, you have just described the quintessential sell out, Uncle Tom.

elunico:
I've been called worse, so this doesn't mean a thing to me. Where were you when I was defending Odegbami's preference for local coaches?

I feel more comfortable in presence of some of my white friends than I'd ever be with the blacks out there. Mind you, I don't associate with them whites that are dumb.

My conclusion.

YOU ARE LOST

Danielnino00:
So basically,we are still in the slave trade era where black people are allowed to do the hard work while the top level jobs are reserved for the whites..

Like in English football where we have a lot of black players but no black coaches and no black referees...

Essential YES.

There are times l have chaired a meeting and some people come in see me and say " Very sorry wrong venue " Believing they are in the wrong place because a black man is sitting at the head of the table.

What you also find is that you are always OYO yoi have no alliances or clicks when it comes to boardroom politics.

You can not trust anybody , so all your conversations and or directives should not be verbal. At all times you must email and create a communication trail.

Otherwise what you will hear is " l am sorry, l don't recall that directive " Which simply implies you are a liar.

You are almost always playing chess 2 /3 moves ahead at all times.

TheLoneCitizen:
Man, I can't give any opinion because I see things from a different perspective. Sorry for your treatment, brother.

Racism will try too pull you down but in the face of all odds you strive and fight build your own ladder and climb up.

And pray incessantly maintain your conviction and refuse to be defeated.

My treatment is the treatment of all black men in the UK. It's not unique to me.

Look at the NHS in the UK with maybe over 600,000 staff. When it comes to scientific objective based delivery Africans are in the ascdency and very well represented.

Now move over to the subjective measurement of management. And you will find in the NHS less than 0.5% of the senior management and directors are Black.

Below two screenshot that show the degree of blatant racism. A white van driver racially abused a NHS managers and they sacked the black manager who had worked thier for near 20 years.

elunico:
The BLM movement is far loosing credibility, at least the discerning members of the public are dissociating themselves from their antics.

Black lives begin to matter when they're killed by a White man. They keep to their moms when it's a Black on Black kill as it happens in Chicago and New York on a daily basis.

Dave Dorn, David Underwood, Italia Kelly, Chris Beaty were other Black people killed during the protest, the BLM never thought it wise to honor them, but, for the criminal Floyd, they're bent on destroying their cities.

Fact is, unarmed Whites have died in the hands of police officers in the US than unarmed Blacks, guess it's normal.

However, Jeff Bezos has the right as an individual to support the movement in spite of a disgruntled customer, so do you, but people like me would always present our reasons for not joining in on the party even though we may come out too strongly at times

It's actually gaining more momentum.

There current proposed legislation address police racism and discrimination in Congress being debate as we speak.

You have multiple state legislators carrying out reassessment on thier police departments and making recommendations.

You have way too many city Mayors looking at thier police departments and already with immediate effect outlawing certain police practices. How many police have been sacked.

I watched the Cuomo governor of New York state lambast Trump as well as several of his own Republican members.

The celebrated monuments of racism from the former confederate states are being pulled down across the USA.

The "BLM" is causing huge ripples across Europe and a change government are on edge for fear of riots in Europe. It's causing CHANGE and it's going global and you say it's lost credibility.

There is a paradigm shift in the USA and all you cam come up with is "BLM" has lost credibility. Only a racist narrow minded bigoted ignorant red necked and possibly klu klux Klan member could have such a view.

I dont know what bubble you are living in, you need to burst it. Wake up and open your eyes.

TheLoneCitizen:
Oh you stay in the UK, I didn't know, man. Probably Merseyside have racist elements, in fact I've heard of how intolerable the scouse are, but it's never right to stereotype on strong issues like this. The fact that that a lot of Nigerians are Internet fraudsters doesn't mean the whole population is.

I also have it on strong grounds that Everton FC aren't racist. According to one of the most reliable research in the uk, Everton are one of the 100 best place to work for 3 years running now. In fact they are the only football club on that list. They are also regarded as one the work places that make environment safe for their employees.

https://fcbusiness.co.uk/news/everton-fc-named-one-of-the-best-places-to-work/

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/everton-fc-named-one-best-17792163


Since you stay in the UK, is racism that rife there compared to The States?

Nearly every where I have worked or been contracted to l have been the only black person.

Certainly when it comes to senior management.

With regards to your question it's difficult to say they are all racist. I have also worked in Florida before.

In my opinion in the USA they are very blatant and outspoken with thier racism. In the UK they are subtle and smile at you while stabbing you in the back and asking " would you like a cup of tea"

When l was doing my Masters l was top of my class and had industry experience. Once again l was the only black person on my course. At the end of the course my peers had on average about 8 job offers prior to completion. I had one offer from the university.

With regards to Everton being the best place to work. How many black people did they interview ❓ ❓ In my estimation NONE.

I use to have access to most places in Everton including the players lounge, academy, coaches, recruitment in all that time the only time l saw a black coach was when Martinez had one of his former team mates on his staff. You may have one or two security guards or catering staff that may be black.

Racism can be felt in just the way you are responded to buy people. Liverpool fc currently is 100% TOTALLY DIFFERENT from Everton in every aspect attitude and approach has a few black coaches and recruitment staff and don't have the level of exclusive old white boys club.

I got invited to a black tie event maybe 4/5 years ago at Everton to honour Duncan Ferguson, Crown Plaza by the docks. With maybe 300 guests l think of there any black people maybe 2 or 3 l do not recall seeing any. That should tell you something.

In my experience racial prejudice is not neccesarily conscious it's mainly unconscious. Most racist people (e.g.Trump) don't belive they are racist and think racism is about calling people derogatory names.

It's about perception and how that perception causes you to see black people in the negative not the positive . A racist will doubt the professional competency of black person and have preference for a less qualified white, Blue eyed person.

Many years ago Anichebe went to Jewelry shop and was arrested as a suspected thief after a staff member called the police because they were black.

I remember how many times l use to get stopped by the police asking me how l could afford my car. Assuming l was a drug dealer it does not happen so often now, l must say.

I should say l have worked all over the UK including Wales.

bidexiii:
#NA BTR

Can't see the turret properly and or lay out.

It doesn't seem like the Ukrainian BTR3 derivative but the old Russian BTR 60.

In all honesty the NA should have at least 1000 of these as basic transport for troops, and l mean the more modern BTR 80 used and refurbished will be cheaper than a Brand new Toyota gun truck.

QuietMynd:
How time flies.
I remember when the organization you re working for was treating this criminals back then and someone condemn it, you went all out trying to justify the treatment, saying it was to some international law.
Here they re now slaughtering your colleagues. Only to be rescued by the soldiers you always bad mouth.

On this occasion your talking arrant nonsense.