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Utonwanne:
All of them. You hardly give any of them the benefit of doubt.

By the way, you rolled out plethora of names that didn't represent England in U-17

You know get shame , you have moved from DENIGRATION to benefit of doubt.

andrewbaba44:
Post stats of players and see who is starting games, but here you are posting news stating aguero wanna leave city because he is being benched by jesus

If to say i get strenght go dey bring out stats like forgiveness, this argument go don end since

Smh

STATS are indicative particularly when we are not talking about pure goals and are not entirely conclusive.

Bamba playing for Cardiff last season before they were relegated had better stats than Van Dyke , but is he better.

Stats guide you but there is more too it.

Edopesin:
Maybe or maybe he had high hopes and expectations for the other center forwards then, the likes of Solanke, Ings, Sturridge

I read they're renegotiating the Werner deal though

They let ings go IMO prematurely and now Ings is killing it in Southampton and is among the top 5 in the EPL with 15 goals.

Liverpool have another striker they bought from Brentford he has not got near the first team forgotten his name , i dont rate him although not as bad as the Elliot boy.

Solanke was a good bit of business coaches did not rate him and then they found Bournemouth to take him for £20 million madness, Sturridge never recovered properly from his injury to compete in the EPL and has been a passenger for the past two seasons before theY let him go.

waffiboi:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hx7ujfA4YkY

Gernot Rohr should look at this prospect. Much better attacking midfielder than Iwobi. On the same level as ejaria. Will become a better AM than Ebere Eze in future.

Why did he leave Tottenham ?

He is 18 he looks very good but dont forget the Eredevisie is not the EPL and or the Championship and to compare him and say he is better is than Eze and Ovie who are playing in far more competitive leagues is way too premature IMO.

Liverpool have a very good relationship with PSV and i am surprised PSV did not sell him by now, they may be patient and waiting to sell him for much bigger money later.

In terms of development he is in the right place for the immediate now.

Edopesin:
Klopp has some issue with not playing a proper 9 ahead of firmino and the competition in the Man u team cannot be overstated

I believe he can get playing time in Arsenal despite Oga Aubameyang in the team but I also want him in the champions league or at least Europa

Mourinho will limit his other abilities at Tottenham

Look at the intricacy of play in Arsenal and the technicality of movement and interchanging of passes including first touch the dont play off the shoulder continuously. Consider how the 18 year old striker Gabriel Martinelli fits flawlessly into that system.

Arsenal will have to change their game plan to accommodate and get the best out of Victor and if they do not he will have to adapt, how quickly can he do that in the EPL.

Those are the questions.

safarigirl:
What is the point of this your argument?

You use 'We' when talking about the Super Eagles, but how many of their games have you gone for, even when it's in your backyard?

Is fandom by buying tickets and going to games? Someone is supporting a team from Nigeria, and you are asking if he has season tickets, does he live in England? How will he have season tickets?

The way you try to demean people sometimes, in your quest for whatever, is very disgusting.

He has as much right as anyone else to use WE for a team he supports. If Liverpool comes down to Nigeria and he has an opportunity to watch them, you think he won't? You think people in Nigeria that buy these club jerseys and spend their money to watch the games of these clubs do not have the right to use WE, when referring to clubs they support? Don't clubs make money from TV rights? Who do you think pays for these rights? Fans with season tickets?


What exactly are you getting at, by trying to ridicule his use of the term?

With regard to the bold, you quite clearly did not read the first post between myself and Danielnin00 , then you would understand where the discussion emanated from or at least i hope you would.

FYI information

U are totally wrong about Keita.. His problem isn't performance but injury. he has battles series of injury since he joined but has by no means been a flop..
He has picked up form this season..

I dunno where u get the story that we are looking to offload him,but it's 100% false..the only players we are looking to offload are Lallana,Lovren,Shaqiri and Clyne...


To discard my view so strongly calling it false, really implies that you have some insider knowledge and or acquaintance within or close to the club to be so convicted in your position. Well that is how i see it.

And so the question of "WE " is to ascertain what "we" means and the context, yes CONTEXT in which he uses "We". For me i had actually presumed he is in the UK or at least probably in Western Europe. I am not the only contributor here that lives abroad there are quite a few maybe not in the majority but a good number. I do not think that is an unreasonable assumption considering his comments or do you disagree ?

But you just couldn't contain yourself, assumption, upon assumption all in the negative.

Shooo omote whaaten i do u, see how ur eye deh tear.

Finally, finally see how you add pepper and salt to my alleged post in the second bold, come on that just plain UNTRUE.

Edopesin:
I don't want him in any of Liverpool, Tottenham, Man u, and even the Arsenal

Napoli would have been a better deal but Seria A dey one kyn with the high defense line play they are obsessed with there

Can i ask why, i do not disagree with you completely.

Utonwanne:
So he must be coming to live games to be a fan. If that is the case....

You are a TV Nigerian

Yes, i have been on national TV in Nigeria but i dont make a habit of it

I am still waiting for you to tell me the Nigerian home groomed players i pulled down and denigrated, just one will do two would be great.

Danielnino00:
Maybe you should help me process a visa to the UK...

I have no idea where you live, I had presumed that you lived in the UK or at least Europe, with your use of the word "WE" implying some level of acquaintance with Liverpool and or inside knowledge.

Not anymore, I had assumed at one stage TheGoodJoe was in Manchester with his love of Man city and quite extensive knowledge.

It seems my assumption about your residency may be wrong, but my view on Keita remains the same.

elyte89:
oga it remains a bad analogy, it took u several hours to respond to my post thinking of what u right still u came up with nothing

So u expected a rohr to give osimhen a chance in d super eagles set up when he's still finding his feet in his career path @ chaleroi over already established players in super eagles set up with d likes of ighalo,nacho and co, .I maintain my stand when ighalo was playing for d national team,osimhen was not even in d picture let alone of comparing both

I could remember on dis thread den when we compare ighalo and nacho.....osimhen was never in d pictureI was in Iggy camp wyle some where in nachos camp even though both strikers where misfiring den ...so in a nutshell.. Ighalo retired,osimhen took over

Actually Rohr view was that Osimhen did not have the physicality to compete in the AFCON he was not in the picture at that time.

However, with the untimely and unexpected retirement of Ighalo Victor became number in the absence of any real competition, that may now change when not if , Ighalo returns.

But its all good for the SE competition does not decrease quality it increases it.

safarigirl:
England did not qualify for the U-17 World Cup in 2013, so, it is not likely we will find players from that crop doing much today. You can barely even find the team list online.


However, they were present at the tournament two years later, Trent-Alexander Arnold, Chris Willock and Tom Davies, seen to be the only players from the England 2015 U-17 team that have actual football careers, the others are playing for mediocre teams; I checked, to be sure.

Of those three, we all know, only TAA is EXCEPTIONAL. The likes of Tomori and these new age English players we have been bamboozled with so far, [b]were never considered good enough for these U-17 team'[/b]s.

First of all you lack understanding.

If you had some level of knowledge by participative association of football in England then you would understand, but you do not. And you therefore operate on assumption birthed from limited perception which is mostly emotive.

I will address Icon4s as well on this subject , I did ask what is his unit of measurement for success, because the term is ambiguous even the how we use the word progression.

There are two very large disparities within football in making comparison to Nigeria and England. Undoubtedly the aspiration for the overwhelming majority of players in Nigeria is too play in the much more financially lucrative football leagues of Europe.

In Nigeria the route to gain access to the top European football league is almost exclusively through the vehicle of youth national football , U17 and U20 , great emphasis is placed on this route. Furthermore, there is natural consistent progression from the U17, & U20 national youth teams to the senior national team SE underpinned with football progression in Europe's top football leagues. Going to Europe as an over 23 year old Nigerian is not impossible but very difficult.

In England progression to the top teams in the EPL and or the still very financially lucrative Championship is absolutely not underpinned with success at U17 national team selection, its completely , irrelevant. Indeed England is quite unique in that for a very long time there was no consistent progression from national youth teams U17, U21, etc to the senior national team. It was perceived as an unnecessary intrusion by many top clubs.

As a consequence football particularly EPL clubs considered U17 football a distraction particularly for player who were already excelling and even playing first team football. Indeed the players were not particularly interested and that interest becomes outright refusal if they are already playing first team football and or very close to it. Playing U17 will be considered a demotion, in Nigeria you have the complete opposite. There are well documented grumblings by the English FA against clubs refusing to release players. The clubs cannot be blamed when you have 16/17 year old playing first team football on £20k a week, with the season in full swing they will not want too lose their momentum and place in the team by playing a U17 youth football tournament, it simply adds no value to their career.

However, for young players who are in league 1 and or in EPL clubs but far away from the first team then playing for England may just give their careers a much needed boost.

TheGoodjoe and Icon4s asked for a comparison of the 2013 England U17.

Before I proceed, you will find quite a few players of 15 in the U17 indeed you will find also quite a few players who are 16/17 playing in the U20 teams for England. Again for some players will consider U17 football beneath them rightly or wrongly that is their choice. As a consequence these youth team squads are quite large because of the number of players withdrawing mainly at U17 level.

Bringing things up to speed "kick racism" out has affected selection and the previous racial discriminatory bias in favour of blue eyed players of past years has declined considerably. Fast forward , England won the U20 and U17 world cups with a predominantly black team for the first time. What it did was give players added value and more bargaining power as well as prestige, add to that Mbappe and the incredible values put on young players, English clubs now see it as added marketable value which was not the case before.

Now lets look at the England U17 squad in 2013 and 2015 that seems to be your focus (not sure why) , I will name 10 players from each of those squads.

2013 England U17

Angus Gunn - GK - Southhampton
Freddie Woodman - Newcastle United on loan at Swansea 1st choice GK
Joe Gomez - Liverpool FC
Ola Aina - Torino
Rueben Loftus-Cheek - Chelsea
Lewis Cooke - Bournemouth
Harry Winks - Tottenham
Dele Alli - Tottenham
Izzy Brown - Chelsea on loan Luton Town
Kasey Palmer - Chelsea on loan Bristol City
Alex Iwobi - Everton


2015 England U17

Alfie Whiteman - GK (reserve) - Tottenham
Alfie Whiteman -GK (reserve) - Manchester United
Reece Oxford - Augsburg
Hayden Coulson - Middlesborough
Jay Dasilva - Bristol City
Trent Alexander - Liverpool
Kyle Edwards - WBA
Yan Dhanda - Swansea
Todd Cantwell - Norwich
Andre Green - Aston Villa on loan Charlton Athletic
Nathan Holland - West Ham on loan Oxford
Jonathan Lekoy - WBA on loan at Charlton
Chris Willock - Huddersfield
Marcus Edward - Vitoria de Guimaraes
Lukas Nmecha - Manchester City on loan Middlesborough (changed allegiance now plays for Germany U21)


Finally , you should look at the exceptional transfer bids being made for the unexceptional Tod Cantwell according to you.

TheSuperNerd:
I understand from inner sources that Osimhen to Napoli is very likely (if not already) done and dusted. Demanded assurance of a starting place put in his contract.
Napoli got a strong reference about Victor when they contacted Victor's former coach at Charleroi, Patrice Mazzu, and that further helps cements Victor's worth in the transfer game.

4million Euros annual salary excluding Bonuses.

Five years deal. 60million Euros transfer fee which easily makes him Nigeria's most expensive signing of all time.
(Truth is I see him breaking this again or any other transfer price a Nigerian could go for in future if all goes well, and I believe it will, for him at Naples when time comes to make the move to a true elite clubside).

This transfer to Napoli is my second preference for him this summer as I would have firstly preferred him staying one more season at Lille and going for an even higher price. But like I already said before, both choices are good enough. It's only that one is my first and the other my second in terms of preference. I wish Victor the very best in his continued walk up the ladder of club football.
Napoli will hopefully be a bigger step forward to the class of the Elite for Osimhen.

Dr 2 Know see how you disgrace yourself with your "inner sources" what a comedy .

TheLoneCitizen:
The screenshoots show that both players have an added ability of winning possession.

Regarding their roles, Firmino drops deep to create chances for the team. That is an Advanced Forward.
Osimhen on the other hand hangs around the last defender waiting for chances to finish. That's a poacher. If the ball is played into the box, a poacher has to be available to finish.
But an Advanced Forward doesn't need to hang around the defence.

Look at Firmino's heat map over the last 3 seasons compared to Osimhen. It is as though Firmino doesn't want to get into the box. It's only this season he manages to get in more, due to the emergence of their attacking wingbacks. But Osimhen heat map in the box is very strong.

And lastly, since the 2013/14 season, Firmino has not provided less than 7 assists per season. 6 seasons in a row now.
They are very different kind of strikers man.

Pic 1: Firmino
Pic 2: Osimhen

Agreed

Edopesin:
But then again his primary job as a striker is to score and assist while Henderson and Wijnadum should be doing the tackling in center midfield

Even though Klopp might probably start firmino, Timo Werner would have played his position like a champ and shown firmino how to convert Arnold and Robertson's crosses

Teams will rather have a proper goal contributing striker than one that tries to gather defensive stats

Unfortunately Klopp doesn't agree with you Lol.

Otherwise Liverpool would have got him ages ago, as you know Klopp is German and would know all about Werner.

andrewbaba44:
But you always see laliga and others league as an easy league ,but we all saw that Costa found things easy in the Epl than laliga

Different set and system that doesn't allow him to play the way he played in the Bundesliga.

kingphilip:
how about Giroud and Benzema?

That's just plain dislike and the internal politics of French football.

Benzema is on another level far above Giroud.

Danielnino00:
Lol okay o.

We Sha thank God that we have him with us... A striker that drops deep to hustle for the ball... A striker that creates chances (48 big chances created in the premier league), a striker that creates space for the wingers ..A striker that can tackle(had over 90 tackles in one EPL campaign)

We thank God for giving us Roberto Firmino!

Seconded and confirmed.

Danielnino00:
You just don't understand.. You were talking about Werner being more prolific and I gave you Origi as an example.. Check Origi's goal to game ratio and compare it with Firmino...
Sometimes when Origi plays,he is deployed on the wing...even Salah,Mane and Wijnaldum have been used as false9s ..

It's not just about scoring goals... If you remove Firmino from that lineup,Salah and Mane won't be at the level they are now,I can assure you that...

Agreed without reservation

Danielnino00:

Being a long time Liverpool fan,I believe I'm perfectly entitled to use the term "we"...

And you are totally wrong like 100%. Keita problem is injury. Injury has limited his game time,but he has picked form this season. .
And nobody has put him up for sale.. You can call your friend Micheal Edwards to confirm ..

Do you mean a TV fan or fan that comes to games, involved with the club as an official fan club member, occasional associated engagement with coaches and other staff, etc


Because "WE" is very ambiguous.

Toju200:
21000 with 80% brainwashed.
Guy I have a FB page with 2,450 likes it's not up to a year.i do almost D same as yours but I can't tell I'm better than u

You are being infantile in this your completely unnecessary tirade.

andrewbaba44:
But he has also scored 5 in 11 games in the epl playing for crystal palace so that should tell you that he is a good player and thats just a little different from his BVB stats, he only did badly at valencia

You dont expect batshuayi to bench diego costa nah, you think if costa is at chelsea tammy will get any game time ?

Not just Tega but who in this world will bench Costa, Dude is a beast l actually think the intensity and physicality of the EPL suits him more than La Liga.

Don't know how well he is doing in that all defensive strategy of Athletico. But l don't if he is killing it like he did in the EPL.

Edopesin:
Gabriel Jesus unlike firminho scores goals and also assists and he's also productive from the wings he will definitely bench firmino if he makes the mistake of signing with Man City

There are two different philosophies and systems that Liverpooland Man City teams play.

The system that Firmino plays is almost like an attacking midfielder but a very hard working one that creates, attacks, defends and supports Mane and Salah who don't exactly play as traditional wingers.

The Wing back role is very crucial to Liverpool game plan not surprisingly see the number of assists Trent and Robertson create.

Liverpool will not fit an out and out striker and you will have to be very technically astute as well.

It did not work for Balotelli and Benteke and they were quality strikers. So strikers coming to Liverpool better have this in mind. Or see your career go south.

Utonwanne:
Werner will not sit on bench for Abraham. He's been tested and proven to be trusted!

So Tega Abrahams is a youth player that is untried and unproven in the EPL.

It seems you have some dislike and prejudice towards Tega Abraham.

Because in reality Tim Werner is totally untried and untested in the EPL. Bundesliga is not on the same quality or competitiveness of the EPL.

lebuhsi:
The work of amazonian separatist no doubt!...either this is deliberate misinformation, or some ploy to get attention, so it just so happens Paul biya and obasanjo signed a deal no one heard about until now?...rediculous to say the least!...we are just getting the wind of this now?...no words from the presidency or biya?..the only business on 'disrupted Territory(s) we got with cameroun was the bakkasi crisis and villages that are on the northen border with cameroun, both of which have since been resolved, the Northen camerouns as it were had voted by a plebiscite to join Nigeria after '60, there has not been a clamour for an independent state from that end nor is there a territorial question, I'm very clinical to say the least about this

I have no understanding of the historical geo politics at play here and or which agreements were signed and and under what legal framework.

Nonetheless, considering the considerably large time frame in question. People have moved on evolved and integrated into multiple societies within the Nigerian state.

It's no longer simple, at the very least a referendum will be required on the Nigerian side.

BascoVanVeli:
Taiwo Awoniyi talking about Liverpool. It gives u confidence in his future



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1i8iT6tCXQ

He is a very straightforward and down to earth young man.

I don't think he will play for Liverpool but he still will have a good career in football.

Last season in the summer when l spoke to him and he told me about the injury. Someone called me essentially a liar at that time, when l mentioned the injury.

andrewbaba44:
Batshuayi is an average player, i told a chelsea fan but he disagree with me

But he didnt flop at chelsea okay, he wasnt given enough game time and its clear

There is something l have said so many times.

Once you are dealing with top teams in the EPL, TIME is a very scarce commodity.

Particularly as a striker, you absolutely must hit the ground running. NO DELAY or you sit on the bench. He has never been able to get close to the numbers he got when he was in Marseille and Standard Liege.

If he was in a smaller club like Leicester, Everton, Crystal Palace he probably be thier number one or two striker. Because he would have been given time.

He is still a very good player, don't forget if l remember correctly he went Borussia Dortmund and in 10 games scored 7 goals that is not easy.

Danielnino00:
U are totally wrong about Keita.. His problem isn't performance but injury. he has battles series of injury since he joined but has by no means been a flop..
He has picked up form this season..

I dunno where u get the story that we are looking to offload him,but it's 100% false..the only players we are looking to offload are Lallana,Lovren,Shaqiri and Clyne...

I'm very sure Werner would fit into the team because of his style of play...can't say the same for Chelsea though ...

You are being comedic even your use of the word "WE"

And l am totally wrong that's interesting.

All l will say you are entitled to your opinion and l all l will say is, know what l know.

Koboko99:
According to BBC sports, Chelsea has agreed a deal to sign Timo Werner. Liverpool pulled out because they couldn't pay the fee demanded by RB Leipzig.

This is not a good news for Tammy Abraham

Why ❓

He will join the que of Batshuayi, Giroud, Pulisic and others.

The Bundesliga is not the EPL being prolific in the Bundesliga does not automatically transfer.

He will have to adapt and prove himself and if not just like Batshuayi with his €50 million transfer of 4 years ago, he can join the bench warmers.

Danielnino00:
I can say it anywhere..
Werner is more prolific than Firmino and will fit very well into our system,but Klopp isn't willing to drop Firmino for him....that should tell u something....

More prolific in the Bundesliga and playing in a particular type of system. Those attributes do not automatically transfer to Liverpool in a different system and league.

I remember Keita left RB Leipzig after 3/4 very consistent outstanding seasons in the Bundesliga and came to Liverpool with a transfer close to €60 million also with great expectations.

What was the result he is simply not up to scratch after two seasons. And they are looking to offload him.

It should be warning to players that after the big money comes the expectations of performances.

The requirements of each league and team is different as well as the style of play and system. Can the player adapt and thrive the big question.

Joebie:
“I am still in contact with Gernot Rohr and Amaju Pinnick, and they congratulated me on my loan deal,” Ighalo told Brila FM.

“I am still thinking about returning to the national team, but right now I want to concentrate on my club career.

“I left the national team because of the distance between Nigeria and China, but now that I am in Manchester and just like life and in my career, you never can tell."

Absolutely fabulous news.

His retirement was way too premature.

TheGoodJoe:
Not true in any way. When Gabriel Jesus came, I felt it was criminal leaving Aguero out for this dancing kid. But, with time, I got to see the brilliance of Gabriel Jesus. He plays in an effortless manner. He does not stop running, pressures all defenders, drops deep to win the ball. Tracks back at mind blowing intensity, fills pockets of spaces during defending. Utilises gaps flawlessly during attack.

It was clear the kid was the complete package with respect to the philosophy. Only draw back was that his strike rate in front of goal was not as lethal as Aguero.

Hence the philosophy rules, it was right Guardiola made the choice to drop Aguero for Gabby Jesus. With time, Aguero learnt it perfectly and now a joy to watch. Not as effortless as Gabriel Jesus but Aguero made up with high tactical positioning which returned him back to the favoured strike king.

Has nothing to do with footballing politics.

This is surprising, l remember when KC left city and everyone well the very much larger majority that Gabriel was not better than KC. And all accused Pep of racial bias.

I cannot say you did because l cannot remember.

jihday:
There's no way you can convince anybody that Kanu is a better striker than Yakubu and Martins, I'm not saying he's a bad player or but not as great as we love to speak of him

After the display in the Olympics 1996 he became the darling of our hearts.

Add to that his skills and entertainment value.

But in the cold objective look at the game he had limited impact particularly with goals both for the SE and in club football. I dont know what his assists were.

However, I am unapologetically emotively biased where he is concerned.