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GabrielYulaw:
I see.
Dear Komekn, there's really no use in flogging a dead horse. Let it go please.

Modified: So, i just visited the Wikipedia page of the Tucano. It says delivery will be complete in 2024. Eh, Nemesis8u, you are the expert here. Would you be so good as to let us know when delivery will begin and be completed cos there's so many conflicting info online and here. Muchas gracias!

I have read the full dpf by the US department it dies not go into specific details.

The contract total sum is $593 million and az you can understand everything is projected to be completed in 2024.

That means we may get 2/3 aircraft this year maybe more and maybe it will have completion before 2024 but that's speculation.

I dont know the detailed contract terms such things are always hidden under the guise of national security. Congressional committee and our top brass will know those details but they will not be released to the public.

Beyond the major points we can only speculate on the details.

dragon2:
There is a reason why we do not use our drones often..cost of munitions.The tucanos is a balance between loiter time and cost of maintenance and munitions.
We cannot pretend to think that the war with bokoharam will end anytime soon.
Also,whenever the tucanos come in,it will be valuable for transition into the Jf17 for recruits,counter insurgency and border patrol. Drones don't have the speed to make a kinetically accurate hit with a dumb bomb,and targeting remotely with such is tasking.

I will like you to consider even postulate on the comparison of costs between USA procured precision munitions and Chinese procured munitions of the same ilk.

A MQ-9 Reaper costs $30 million it's ATGM's according to some one here $115k which l find to be within the general price range. Those will be the same or very similar to the ones used for the A29, that is the Hellfiremissile system used on multiple platforms by the US and it's allied partners.

The Chinese Wing Loong II costs $1 million and it's ATGM's I dont think more than $20k, l really dont know, but we can agree they will be way cheaper than the USA ones.

Which is more long term sustainable and with far less running costs❓

The UAV does not need speed it can hover over head silently at 15,000 feet for 30 hours with all its ISTAR capabilities as well as its 12 ATGM's.

Toju200:
Do u know what the $600mil covers dude are we going to start this again...
Bro two spare engines each that's about 24 spare engines for the aircraft,Aside other spares, Infrastructure for the Aircraft and Ammunitions too(4000 Unguided Rockets,2000 MK8 250ibl bombs, Rounds of Ammo, About 700 laser Guided Rockets alongside it's AKWPS kits) Now six out of the twelve will be More upgraded than the rest with FLIR/EO pods...
Guy I don't know ur complaint o Now totally price for the spare engines alone is $20million dollars first..
Each of the aircraft $18mil * 12

I only have the PDF of the contract agreement and nor the complete cost breakdown.

Do you❓

bidexiii:
Honestly have learn to ignore or sometimes not just even read there comments, it will be hard but am cultivating the habit now

It's usually a good approach if you are unable by contend from a standpoint of knowledge and substantive deduction.

blacKDalia:
IIRC in one of your replies to a poster( I think jphillips) you alluded that using guns on planes for CAS is obsolete, even pointing that it was a ww2 thing. The last sentence on my last post was in reply to that ; the F-35 is a replacement to the A10 and also uses a 25mm gun.
In reply to your best value, I would say so many people have pointed out to you that the contract involves so many things. Training pilots and technicians, building and upgrade of airbase, ammunitions etc In reply to your fit for purpose, Each wing of the wing long 2 has 3 hard points for carrying bombs and air to surface missiles, that makes it 6 bombs or 6 air to surface missiles in total. The A29 has 5 hard points to carry various ordinance and two.50 cal internal mounted guns. On YouTube the difference that the A10 makes to the Soldiers on the ground is using its GAU-8 Avenger guns, not it's "precision bombs". General Adeniyi said not less than 15 gun trucks. In situations like this, which would you prefer overhead, a wing long2 having 6 bombs to expend or an A29 having 5bombs to expend and could go on several staffing runs?

The general actually gave two differing pieces of information first there were 8-10 gun trucks and then 15 gun trucks. Thats the detail.

They were in close proximity to Boko with small trees and shrubs typical Sahel savanna terrain.

With a clear identifiable target with open spaces that marks the demarcation between friendly forces and foes. Any aircraft can do the job with precision ordinances and or missiles as well as a strafing run.

With the situation that General Adeniyi described l would have none. Troops are too close to the enemy and a strafing run will kill friend and foe.

I gave a very recent example with the French Mirage sent to help the IS forces caught up in a ambush fire fight in Niger. In which 4 US soldiers died. French pilots did not engage could not distinguish between friend and foe.

My preference would be too buckle down wait till night fall. Switch of all our vehicles off have a zero heat signature and allow the Wing Loong II UAV that gives us 30+ hours silent endurance to identify targets with its 12 ATGM's as compared to the 5+ hours fly time over head endurance of the noisy A29.

At nightfall with temperatures drop the FLIR from the Wing Loong will see and identity the Boko gun trucks like Christmas tree lights very clearly. Ground troops to coordinate and engage Boko with small arms fire ONLY and enduce Boko to use thier gun trucks which will further increase thier heat signature and easy identification.

As you know one A29 will procure 30 Wing Loong II UAV's. But just 2 will do the job comprehensively. Then our guys can go in and mop up and the UAV over head will be able to pin point individual Boko elements for our guys to neutralise.

Xbee007:
Here you go.

Paying attention to detail is an act of intelligence and credibility. Not to do so leaves you open to allegations of disinformation and not particularly wise.

I quote you verbatim, "He kept mentioning that the delivery starts on 2024 even after he has been told it starts in 2021"

Taking my statement in isolation "that will not be delivered until 2024"

You really can not get any plain spoken than this, it's not big word, simple English. Are these two statements the same in your understanding of English language❓

The contract has made it clear that delivery completion will be in 2024 albeit it projected. I have said this several times over the past month.

Just like l said the contract sum total is $593 million and I substantiated it with a US government substantiated gazetted documents by a state department. I even posted the link which has now gone missing with several of my posts.

But to pre-empt the usual spurious claims that I am just saying that now. Screen shot of previous posts by me alluding to the same thing.

Xbee007:
The crux of the matter is not really the length of his write-ups but the content. I read New York Times articles daily that are certainly longer.

He has been arguing about the Super Tucano deal for days now complaining about the price and the delivery date. He kept mentioning that the delivery starts on 2024 even after he has been told it starts 2021.

I challenge you to give one post not two a simple screenshot will suffice , where l said contract delivery starts in 2024.

If you can not what does that make you. ❓❓

I am specific with language not assumptive and my diction not ambiguous but very clear.

Texman21:
had to look for dictionary

My apologies,

It's very difficult for me to deh yarn this matter with Warri pidgin.

jpphilips:
Perhaps I put it mildly when I said you spread disinformation now, I have to be more brutal, you are a Liar, you peddle lies to score cheap points.
These were your words;



The purpose of the A10 Warthog is to provide the US type of CAS, it is 100% fit for that purpose. One of the best in the world for that role reason US military has kept it in service for 43yrs with just 7 combat mishaps & planning to keep it longer, you are not smarter than the USAF.

NATO refused to buy it because its "Purpose" does not fit their battlefield doctrine, it doesn't mean the A10 isn't fit for purpose its a ridiculous conclusion.

Let me enlighten you before you type your next long gibberish, the Purpose of an aircraft is based on design not useage.
An Aircraft designed for CAS can still perform other roles, however, those secondary roles are not its purpose.

NATO has a BAI doctrine while the A10 is designed for CAS, NATO has several excellent platforms for BAI, so they didn't need A10 at the time, recently, they did and called for it, I have proven that already.
If it wasn't fit for purpose, NATO would've called for another platform.

The next thing I want to read from you is proof where NATO said A10 isn't fit for purpose, till then you remain a Liar.

There is no point discussing long & short term cost analysis from what you have typed so far, you don't know jack in that subject.

Ignorance is bliss.

Evasion and now rancour calling a person a LIAR.

Texman21:
Esquire the third I hail you

You too quick to respond as l was correcting my initial write up.

Lol

Xbee007:
Your write-ups may be long but they lack essence. lt's your type that lecturer will give assignment you will write 20 pages, meanwhile someone with just 4 pages will still get a better score than you. Information that could be contained in a single paragraph, you somehow manage to stretch it to a dozen.

BTW, the lockdown is not an excuse for you to be writing like a broken record. For weeks now, you've been arguing back and forth over a single topic and no amount of quality info to cmounter your stance seems to change anything. It's like pouring water in a drain!

Two issues here.

Your educational experience and the quality of it will reflect your ability to deduce, analyse and comprehend as well as convey with structured methodology.

It's the mentality above highlighted in bold that's so regressive and stifles innovation and therefore progression in our country. That you are a advocate for by default and now adhere too.

Contradicting the lecturer even with substantive approach is perceived as an affront and to show more knowledge and insight, in the context of Nigeria will get you a FAIL and get you ostracised literally by your lecturers.

So l appreciate your inability to appreciate the substantive over the emotive whimsical. No be your fault. You prefer fables over facts and are proud to advocate it.

Arabiandude:
Name a well recognized coach that doesn't have a Uefa coaching badge and if you have a Football club, will you employ a coach that doesn't have a badge simply because you feel the coach can do better than most of those with badges?

I know quite a lot of clubs who have coaches with no badges albeit the older coaches and mainly in the Championship downwards.

You know you can be coaching grass roots football and get all your badges. It is not complicated to do.

It is very comparable to passing your driving test, l passed my test after one lesson and first attempt.

I had friends who had been driving for years on Nigeria and for probably a decade. It took one of them about 8 attempts.

The badge is just the most basic requirement or competence certificate. It doesn't make you an accomplished coach.

Meanwhile once you pass your badges you will be employed because of WHO YOU KNOW not what you know 100% from personal direct experience.

Arabiandude:
The first emboldened is what I am trying to make Emeka understand. Iwobi is currently playing in the premiership and Eze in championship doesn't mean if Iwobi plays in the championship, he will do better than what Eze is currently doing in the championship.

To me it doesn't look like, he will play it better than Iwobi.

From talking to managers and players they all confess because the Championship is so physical it is harder to play good technical composed football.

Which would you rather prefer the best CM and most skilful, technicality adapt player in the Yes well as the best statistically in the Championship.

Or a very good players in the EPL which is Iwobi.

Could Iwobi have done what Eze has done, l don't know.

However, one thing l will say is that Eze can shoot like JJay with both feet, which is something Iwobi struggles with Shooting.

ChrisKels:
Awaziem is an all round better center back than Adarabioyo.

I would not jump to that very hasty conclusion so quickly.

You use the term all round, maybe l am misconstrued in my reading but that means in every department essentially.

The only two attributes that Awaziem MAY HAVE BETTER than Adarabioyo and it's not by any means certain is football intelligence and Technicality.

However, on the following Adarabioyo will floor him; Speed, Strength, Physicality, Aerial Dominance and Aggression.

It's difficult to measure technical ability and football intelligence when you are playing do or die , kick and rush football in the English Championship for Blackburn.

How well will Adarabioyo do in Leganese in La Liga. I don't know ❓ On the other hand how well will Awaziem do as a CB playing for Blackburn? ❓

charlesemeka85:
oga daye are gone when fear factor they play a part in a teams superiority. Once a team has decent talents doing it in big and decent leagues i see no reason they have to fear the top class opposition.

Aribo was unknown and playing in the scotish league but held his own against almighty brazil, same as ajayi who plays in the english 2nd tier.

The likes of chukwueze and etebo have held their own against the 2 spanish giants, iwobi, ndidi, iheanacho hv rubbed shoulders with kane and the best the epl can offer, ekong and aina is doing the same in the seria A while collins in the bundesliga hv faced the likes of lewandoski n co.

Its not about fear factor but hv team chemistry and cohesion which but be evidence in games.

Agreed football is not a mathematical equation it can be very unpredictable.

When Etebo was signed for Stoke in my mind l really thought he would rip the Championship apart and be in the EPL by January.

But he struggled to make outstanding impact or even be noticed. That was very surprising to me.

Meanwhile Eze statistically speaking is the best player in the Championship. Ejaria is considerably ahead of him as well.

But look how good and essential Etebo is to the SE arguably our best Midfielder in recent times.

Aribo came from nowhere into the SE essentially from English league one and has been OUTSTANDING.

There is good possibility that Eze, Ovie could do the same.

I really get excited about EZE he looks like he could play that AM role better than Iwobi.

Arabiandude:
Do you have a Uefa or even Caf badge as a coach? If you don't, then you are also a fan and everything you have stated are basically that of a fan and not a coach, so don't act like you know the coaching aspect of football more than me

There are quite a few coaches without badges.

Getting UEFA badges is not an academic qualification it's an assessment of competencies by practice. It's also considerably subjective.

Just like having a driving licence after passing your test does not automatically make you a good driver. Also longevity and experience do not necessarily equate to competence.

In my experience there are people without badges here who could possibly coach better than many qualified coaches l have met.

maidaboi:
list them

Seconded

Arabiandude:
I forgot to mention Dominic Iofar in my list and surprisingly you also omitted him. I feel Iorfar is better than Adarabioyo...what do you think?

Dominic is possibly the fastest defender in the Championship, he is Athletic strong and quick.

However, technicality is not his strong point.

He was on the up with his team winning all kinds of accolades. Indeed Rohr was seriously looking at him irrespective of the previous politics. His team has lost form so badly it's shocking from contending for top position they have fallen near to the point of possible flirting with relegation.

If your team is failing you loose traction in your personal rating.

Indeed this is something that's going to really help the SE now, the presence of YOBO. He will not compromise on quality and will not be bullied or induced into accepting certain players by NFF officials.

Until l see them both playing good technical composed football it's difficult to ascertain thier true quality.

Nonetheless, as a defender you still need to have some good degree of physicality and athleticism.

We saw how Omeruo was bullied by the Cameroon players in the last Afcon.

junnyjake:
Adarabioyo?? I don't think he is as good as Awaziem.

Adarabioyo has improved immensely since he went on loan. He has grown up.

He has playing in a blood and guts do or die team. He has been very Athletic dominating and physical.

However, it's difficult to see his technical proficiency in the type of team he plays in.

I wonder if somehow he ends up playing in Manchester city as a regular CB, them we will final rate him.

I haven't rated him for a long time l probably and l knew him from when he was 14/15 at City.

Who is better very difficult to judge because they play in different leagues with different types of football. As well as they are very different the way the play.

Danielnino00:

Klopp is very good at tactics and man management,I can assure u that.


A good example of a coach with a not so good man management skill but great tactics is Brendan Rodgers... See how much he has improved Leicester! ..including our own Ndidi and Iheanacho..

Pep Guardiola himself can't claim to be a good man manager,but we all know that he is one of the greatest tactician the world has ever seen!!

I think I'll go with the joebie submission... 60% tactics and 40% man management skill..m

Agreed to that 100% but he is also very considerate humble and with great integrity.

ChrisKels:
Seems Ejaria has finally been cleared by FIFA to don our colours

He has been waiting for this moment all his life,
No be today he begin declare for Nigeria.

AndSunGorilla:
Just putting the records straight, for sure he's a good player. At the last afcon, I think Omeruo really played well last season and stole the shirt more because he was in good form rather than because Balo was match rusty. I think for the first game, Balo might have been injured or something and we all saw how well Omeruo performed. Secondly it is clear that Rohr prefers younger players as he builds for the future I think Ajayis age might also be working in his favor. Of course Balo has been a very good defender for us.

Forget this age thing particularly for those who were selected for U17 before 2014.

In that regard if Balogun had been born in Nigeria he would not be more than 27 officially now.

So if he still perfoming then there should be no question.

AIG07:
not just that, we are gradually easing out carpenters(in ChrisKels voice) from the team.

I only hope Joe can provide the needed technical support to the coaching department.

I absolutely have no doubt whatsoever.

He may not have the certificates but he certainly has the knowledge and experiential competence required. Don't forget these badges are obtained by assessment not some long written series of theoretical exams.

Finally, he is uncompromising with regards to Egunje. I can see him getting along very well with Rohr.

AIG07:
Ejaria in term of playing style is the closest to Jay Jay.

Imagine looking at your bench and you see in form players like
-Ejaira
-Eze
-Saka
-Iheanacho
-Dessers
-Etebo
-Balogun
-Ebuehi
-Henry

All sitted waiting to be called upon for action! The thing go just de to tori d coach for side line.

I disagree, Eze on his style and technical ability is more like JJay add his ability to shoot with both feet from any distance and yes that lazy mam attitude he doesn't work hard enough and back track enough just like JJay.

Ovie is very hard working almost plays too much for the team and should be a bit more selfish to get a few goals.

He doesn't seem to have the shoot ability reminiscent of JJay or similar to Eze.

Xbee007:
I wonder the kind of human that reads the kinds of long epistles above. Don't you get tired Komekn?

First of all I'm in lockdown and locked out of normality as we know it here. So l have a little more time than usual.

To each his own, to some it may be long to others it may be short. It's a question of what you are use too.

Maybe you are more appreciative of the superficial and whimsical therefore do not require anything with depth.

As you have clearly confessed, it seems my write up may too be too taxing for your intellect.

blacKDalia:
The A10 is a venerable CAS platform. And why are other airforce not using it might be due to concept of operation and order of battle. The troubled and wildly over-budget F-35 Lightning is supposed to replace the A-10 in the close air support role and this technologically advanced platform is not suitable for low tech job. For CAS you need low and slow platforms which can loiter for long hours. Given the F-35’s shortcomings, the Air Force is considering supplementing the plane with a relatively inexpensive light attack aircraft. The 3 aircrafts that are in the competition to provide a low tech, low cost platforms are ; Embraer A 29 super tucano, Beechcraft A26 wolverine and Textron airland scorpion.

In comparing the A29 and F-35, one of the major advantage is the operating cost, 500 dollars an hour as compared to 40,000 dollars an hour for the F-35. My take is that for a 3rd World country, the A29 is a better platform for CAS in an "uncontested air battle space".

The F-35 is equipped with a 25mm GAU rotary gun and you get to wonder what that gun will be used for in an age where dogfights are beyond visual range.

In all honesty l have zero interest in the rational of the USA's over priced arms industry cost benefit analysis. And the comparison benefits of the F35, A29 & A10.

It's a deviation from the core discussion, which is essentially what's best for Nigeria.

In that context is it best value to buy 12 turboprop A29 Tucano for $600 million that will not be delivered until 2024 for supposedly poorer partner countries. It's an absolute waste of money IMO.

Consider how much the over priced precision ordinances and missiles that the A29 will require to be effective. Do you think it's sustainable in the long term❓

It essentially it makes a nonsense of the claimed operating cost of $500 an hour when you are paying $600 million to procure just 12 aircraft.

But back to the original discourse which was to look at alternative options and consider best value for the greatest delivery outcome.

A consideration of other platforms which l did with the immediately available Wing Loong II UAV. And its much cheaper precision ordinances and missiles and 30 hour endurance for ISTAR. As well as the SU25 which has a comparable operating cost to the A29 and far more adapt to the CAS role which people feel, not me is intrinsic for succes in the NE.

But a quite a few consider the discussion to be antagonistic and contentious. Which it really should not be.

jpphilips:
Loads of disinformation, you were gloating over the Soleimani hit to buttress the efficacy of the Chinese drones before I murdered your position with a proper cost analysis, thats what debates are for, we cross fertilize ideas, so there is no shame in admitting you screwed up with that example.

NATO never said the A10 Warthog is not fit for purpose, thats a concocted rubbish you made up, NATO said it's role doesn't fit their battlefield doctrine, NATO allies dont do US type of CAS, they prefer Battlefield Air interdiction normally done away from friendlies.

As a matter of fact, when the European threat environment evolved due to Russian aggression, Nato members requested for the A10 warthog & they were glad it came to do the job it does best.
enlighten yourself here: https://www.military.com/daily-news/2015/06/17/us-allies-happy-to-have-a10-warthogs-back-in-europe-airmen-say.html

USAF planned to decommission the Warthog in 2019, congress refused, approved $333m for their missions later DOD awarded another $900m contract to Boeing to replace aging wings, so those beasts are in service till 2030 or 40.

Again you are misleading yourself, A29 doesn't straff its guns on AA's or in an AA threat environment, there is a reason it has ISR capability, it takes out the big guns first from a distance then straff the light arms.
That's the US strategy for the Warthog as well, take out the big guns with Maverick AGM then straff.
Conversely, if you believe A29 30mm guns will create blue on blue, how come you are recommending Wingloong 2 that throws Arrow 7 missiles? you are confused.

Go back and read what I wrote on the $115k per pop, and NAF being on low budget, again you are confusing yourself .

You are fixated with your view not with facts, substance and or rational, you really come across like a politician who evades all substance in favour of misrepresentation mixed with conjecture , to call it an opinion implies substance it is simply a view. Like a typical politician, you avoid the substance and highlight the suggestive, you adopt argument over appraisal and conclude with the whimsical.

Your personal self-birthed perception does not create the definition of a word, you have used the word disinformation and gloating to describe my write up. Let me remind you, disinformation refers to false or misleading information and to gloat is to derive malignant pleasure. I do neither.

You delight in arguement and rancour that is the DNA of a politician and proving yourself as the winner even if it is deluded your singular quest.

That is not the purpose of this forum and this particular discourse you have deviated so far from the core critical question in your personal quest to prove, I do not know what You are derailing matters and murdering balanced discussion. Lets take quite a few steps back to the critical core question, i reiterate, "Best value and the most efficient use of resources for the greatest impact in the NE"

Now hopefully you would have had cool ice cold drink of coca cola to cool your hot head down, and hopefully a smile now ask yourself have you addressed any of the items, questions and or issues in that core subject question


In the bold you allude to the core question albeit very slightly but do not address it directly or with a substantive approach . Now once again I implore you to look at what you have written with a cool head. Consider what you have written, "NATO said it's role doesn't fit their battlefield doctrine" So if an air frame does not meet the particular requirements of my air force delivery strategy, that air craft is not fit for my purposes, i.e. not fit for purpose According to you i quote you verbatim, "thats a concocted rubbish you made up" Do you know you are effectively confirming my substansive view. You claim that I am confusing myself, now with your head bowed down look in the mirror, and ask yourself, Who is confused

Everything else you have said is befuddled delusion in your misguided quest to prove, I do not know It is ignominious deviation from the core subject question, nonetheless I will indulge you.

For instance if NATO thought the A10 was so good why did nobody not one NATO procure this aircraft

You introduced the comparison of the $115k USA missile creating a unit of comparable measurement for cost benefit analysis but you have decided to completely avoid this in considering short and long term sustainability for the A29 in comparison to the Wing Loong II UAV and other alternative options with regards to the $600 million total package procurement price . I wonder why

I was specific, measured, with a structured methodology of cost and substantively rational under the heading of Best value and the most efficient use of resources for the greatest impact in the NE. You have not reciprocated but rather have chosen to be insultingly dismissive.

Toju200:
I didn't say he's stupid but for u to bring these ur lame opinions most times and at this point in time makes the commander looks as if he doesn't know what he's doing

This a double edged sword of a question.

How do you know, he knows what he is doing

In order to appraise competence there should be experiential understanding and or knowledge to make that conclusion.

GabrielYulaw:
No 1: not a new thing. It regularly happens on Nairaland. The powerful use it to push their own narrative and conceal their mistakes. Ask around.

No 2: you will pardon me, but I don't believe someone is a terrorist just because the arrogantly double faced and utterly criminal great Satan says so.

No 3: ISWAP and Boko Haram makes heavy use of gun trucks. These are the kind of things straffing can eliminate. However, the problem is that the Tucano only has .50 cal machine guns. To straff, it must come close to a distance when enemy AA can hit it.
More, most battles here are fought in open spaces, with no houses or structure in the distance. However, ISWAP often makes use of army vehicles and uniforms. So, I can see how it might be difficult for the Tucano pilots to differentiate friend from foe, more so as they are very unlikely to be in direct contact with the troops on the ground.
Anyway, let's agree to disagree.

There is nothing to agree or disagree.

The terrain of the NE is quite diverse there are parts covered with thick shrubs as is normal in the Savannah and if you are talking Sambisa then its almost impossible for wide open spaces to be found and parts that are wide open but it varies.

But do you really need air assets in that environment with wide open spaces or definitive IFV's with RWS, LAV's, etc in good numbers to chase down Boko in search and destroy. Boko are not heavy weaponised they have rickety gun trucks with HMG's and RPG's this is a mission for properly equipped ground troops.

This $600 million package we paid for something with very limited use considering the multiple far better alternatives is huge waste of money IMO and will have limited capacity.

Niger has the A29 what difference has it made for them Quite disturbing is Ghana has bought them A29's but paid considerably less than us why eeee get as be.

kabe1:
Your conjectures are quite sad to read, they show you need to read more widely.

The JF-17 is a light weight combat aircraft, in the same class as the Gripen C/D, LCA Tejas and FC-K-1 from Taiwan. These aircrafts fill their own niche in a country's fighter aircraft structure. The Gripen, JF-17 and Tejas play the same role an F-16, MIG-29 and J-10 play in larger Air Forces of The US, Russia and China. If you didn't know this, I really call into question your numerous opinions.

For a small country, Myanmar has a large Air Force, larger than that of Nigeria and South-Africa.

With regards to export sales, Rafale until very recently, Egypt purchase to be precise had no export success. From the time the JF-17 entered service with the Pakistan Air Force, they have secured 2 export sales. That's a very short time.

It would be objective for you to tell us what part of the MIG-21 is in the JF-17. Is it the avionics, the wing design, the power plant, is the JF-17 a Delta designed aircraft what areas. Give us the information.


Like I said previously, the JF-17 was part of the strike package that bombed India, they flew combat air patrols against Indian aircrafts, have been used numerously in ground attack roles and has a confirmed drone kill. See picture attached.

The F-35 is battle tested over how many years, and against what types of aircrafts?

One potential weakness of the JF-17 is its internal cannon, which is still the double-barrel GSh-23, a legacy of its MiG-21 heritage. This cannon is outperformed by practically any other autocannon mounted on a modern combat aircraft. However, given the relative infrequency of cannon usage in modern air combat, this is not a big issue.

Being in the same class (debatable) does not equate to same quality and capability of proven and established quality air craft like the F35, F16, Typhoon, etc

With regards to the F35 in use by Isreal , NATO and other US allies, find out yourself.

Toju200:
why do always feel u know best...
I know now you'll say it just your opinion but sorry to break it to you bro...
It's a stupid one...
You're always complaining over everything.
So the commanders that insisted on the artillery firing is stupid abi

First of all because you do not know, do not presume everyone is like you.

Secondly him being stupid is your opinion not mine

GabrielYulaw:
No 1- Your old post didn't get missing. I suspect someone asked a mod to delete it.
No 2- Suleimani was murdered, not assassinated. There's a difference. He was a high ranking member of his government tasked with negotiating on its behalf and without him and Iran, ISIS would have long overran Iraq and the region.
No 3- In this day and age, cannon straffing from a fast moving jet is still effective, especially when used against an adversary without a modern air defense system in place.

Otherwise I agree with the rest of your post.

No 1- Your old post didn't get missing. I suspect someone asked a mod to delete it. On what basis that seems very devious and not in the spirit of how things should be done.

No.2 that is semantics to the US a terrorist assassinated to the Iranians HERO murdered.

No.3 Strafing hmmmm there are some things better seen than explained. Straffing is much more effective in open spaces against enemy vehicles and fixed isolated targets. Fighter jets were better equipped because of the greater speed but even with that you are exposed to enemy AA fire. A much slower noisy turboprop A29 on a straffing run would be at a very great disadvantage to AA gunfire.

In a setting of close proximity between friendly and enemy troops its near impossible to distinguish between friend and foe. Quite recently when 4 US combatants were killed in Niger by Islamist terrorists. The called in air support and within 15 minutes Mirage Fighter jets were on the scene but could only do low flying dives without fire for fear of taking out friendlies.

So aircraft as close support to ground forces has limitations, however, using precision weaponry when ground targets can be laser painted a big yes. But that can be done at 10000ft and a lot more. So strafing is near obsolete in today's modern warfare and more so in COIN with friendly forces in close proximity. An apache, MIL24, etc in this scenario would be the best option not an A29.


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