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BlackBaron:
OMG
Who be this, So destroying a technical with an AA gun that'll otherwise kill and maim valuable officers and soldiers needed on the battlefield 'doesn't make sense'?. How about the many hundreds of thousands/millions (dollars) invested in training, courses abroad, field experience that would be snuffed out if one technical isn't stopped or destroyed?

Guy, be honest, who do you work for?

You have a superficial view and not one with any depth. Your question depicts your limitations. As a result i take no offence. It's not your fault,l will explain.

The core subject is best value and most effective use of scarce resources and most cost effective alternative solutions.

A Chinese HJ-12 ATGM will cost us at least $35k per unit could be up to $75k. We may be the first export customer for this weapons system and l hope we got it on the cheap.
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If you retrofit a RWS and or upgrade the turret on our S. African Marauder with FLIR, target acquisition soft Ware, lazer pointing system, etc. How much will it cost? Procuring independent component from multiple sources. They already have HGM 20-30mm. My guess putting it all together per unit less than $35k.

RWS has multiple alternative uses, comms with air assets and lazer pointing targets, takin out enemy troops and can be used time and time over and over for the next 10/15 years.

In addition you develop your Iocal capacity and can retrofit all your MRAP's, APC, LAV, and even have them as part of defence for NA bases with high elevation.

You can only use the ATGM once. How many are we prepared to buy and how many do we need.

With the RWS that means target acquisition range 4km at least, which would mean 100% hit rate at 1.5 km.

How many rounds to finish off a rusty run down Boko pick up gun truck negligible, costs very minimal to negligible.

I expected our Engineers should be able to this it's not that difficult. I liken it being similar in principle to building your own desk top PC with multiple component sources as we used to do before laptops became so cheap.

I am thinking long term STRATEGIC with the underpinning quest for best value and most effective use of resources.

Texman21:
what of Afghanistan did they steal it?

Is Afghanistan in the middle East.

Go back to my original write up read it again and try and understand it. Because if you did you would not be presenting this supposed question.

Toju200:
oga we don get the MI17 and MI35M are u Happy now

How many did we get ❓

lebuhsi:
Yeah I just thought I should share, guys here always talk about the Nigerian military incapacity to coordinate ops through comms, its nice to see that NAF have been capacity building ground forces since '17

What does it take to CO-ORDINATE a mission it requires 100% connectivity of all combatants to ensure command and control.

Coordination of air assets to ground targets after being painted with lazer for precision strikes is what gives you overriding advantage.

What do you notice about modern armies every combatant is linked in.That gives complete spatial awareness and the ability engagements to be directed and positioned for the best advantage. Making it possible for a unit of 12/15 men to engage 100 create confusion and overcome them.

Are all our combatants linked in with individual comms for control and command, NO.


How much will it cost to do that and effectively increase efficiency by near 100%

kabe1:
Oshey.......Keyboard commandos!!!!

They won't see this.

When presented with facts, @Komken and his buddies....

There is a trend that's growing which is far from progressive, where animosity is spread against anybody who is not in agreement with your view.

Then some take it further to cast aspersions on those with different views.

That's very retrogresive.

I don't know if it is a cultural thing because we can even degenerate into religious and tribal negative divergences.

A media report is not a FACT.

If contributors can be substantive and present thier positions with clarity and rational methodology. Then move away sentiment based deductions that are without substance. That will help.

We have two different sources of events the NA saying, something different from the Chadian forces.

Who will you believe is a matter of objectivity without sentiment and what you want to believe.

We have one force who have in the space of one week, completely uprooted BOKO from thier axis of Lake Chad.

And another army the NA who have not been able to remove Boko from the Lake Chad area for years. Almost tacit acceptance that Boko has come to stay unabated.

When Chad was first invited into Nigeria 2014/15 they uprooted Boko within weeks, something we could not do for years.

These are well established independently corroborated facts. Bitter too many it's not unpatriotic to state these simple facts. We can learn from them to deny them, is to live in self deception and live in delusion.

I don't want to get into unnecessary argument the issues at stake are too important.

bidex111:
Wanted to reply you but when I saw the full length of your comment I was scared to read it. It’s very tucked hot here in the Far north and am tired.
But here are my takes; in terms of precision weaponry the Su25 does not even get close to the tucano, likewise avionics, ISR capability, cost of maintenance and its endurance time.
[/b]Starting from next year the Super Tucson will be replacing a lot ground attack assets especially for the S.O.F in the Middle East[b]
The super tucano is a game changer and a beast for ground target should fear.

I am sorely disappointed, you have been a contributor here for a very long time.

My approach was methodological and substantive and quite specific, but you have not addressed one question or observation i made, you have just EVADED.

Its your choice.

You even go on to make future projections but founded on nothing, let me burst your future projections.

THE FUTURE in the Middle east is UAV that can give special forces Over-watch with 48 hour endurance and still deliver precision ordinances. Not the outdated A29, not even one USA Middle east partner has procured it. That should tell you something.

Whyem15:
Is Nigeria getting weapons to fight bokoharam or modernising it's arsenal because this is unfair to bokoharam gun trucks
The only advantage this has over rpg 28 is range and accuracy. The rpg 28 has same armour penetration and significantly cheaper.
It is really commendable and would help taking out technicals kilometers away.

Taking a very expensive sledge hammer to kill a fly, doesn't make any sense. How much is one ATGM even as Chinese made cheapest will be around $35k, what is value of one of those rickety run down rusted pick up, maybe $400.

Poor strategy if you ask me.

Whyem15:
You are not getting the point. He isn't arguing whether Jonathan's administration made the right decisions regarding weapons procurement or not, what we've been trying to point out is that there has been efforts to frustrate Nigeria's war against insurgency and blocking weapons procurement for no sensible reason is just an example. I myself am a fan of Russian equipments, they are far cheaper and better than their western counterparts. I don't know what those in charge of our weapons procurement are thinking for God's sake.

I DO, One thing the best DEAL they can cut for themselves and their off shore accounts, very simple.

Best value and the most effective use of our scarce resources is not a consideration.

kabe1:
I don't need to dissuade you over anything. It is your prerogative to believe whatever fantasy you want to believe in.

I had earlier presented official records from Nigeria and US department sources.

If you like take it, if you like leave it. Your problem.

Don't mention my moniker on this topic again.

Thanks.

You called me a LIAR, not I .

You presented nothing official from Nigeria.

I presented to you with two official gazetted records from two different US STATE DEPARTMENTS.

So by implication the US State departments are telling LIES, and you are telling the TRUTH.

Now i wonder who is presenting disinformation and misleading untruths here

Once again you have not covered yourself in glory, very SAD.

ugo4u:
True, that's where armoured Humvees or Buffaloes come into play.

Not exactly (not fit for purpose) The game changer for the USA is the JLTV

ruggedtimi:
I understand the safety measures of a mrap against mines/IED. But I also believe the mrap has its own disadvantages during an offensive battle due to is poor maneuverability it will drag troops behind and the MRAP is known for rollovers in bad road conditions

100% Correct.

Can i add it is prone to getting stuck off road (prime target for rpg's), particularly the disproportionately big ones, nobody needs to tell you that are an east target, BIG & SLOW.

The very reason why the USA introduced the JLTV.

In the Sahel you need armoured vehicles with RWS that are nimble and fast, otherwise you cant even manoeuvre or outflank your enemy.

IMO the best MRAP we have is the S.African battle tested and proven Marauder and Reva the rest look way too heavy i guess the CS/VP3 has a basic pass mark but the rest look like they are way too heavy.

seankafor:
sometimes you over talk as you supposed to.

No rebel born of mortal can dare attack the fleet of escorts and armoured security details of chief of army staff.
The kind of helicopters and drones that I'll be hovering over the sky will even send shivers down any fvckers spines.

I think you are wrong.

These are deranged and delusional terrorists who are ready to welcome death as long as they are taking you with them. The have been attacking Nigerian army convoys in the NE Ad Infinitum so you think they all of a sudden stop now ? Then you are not being realistic.

AskiaHarem:
Bullsh1t per usual. TChad Didn't really do anything all that special. They raided a some rusty boko shacks, shot up a forest lost over 50 men and claimed they killed over 1,000 Bokos but can't display a single corpse. Some of you guys really are gullible buffoons. The Nigerian army raids boko bases yearly you just rarely hear about it becuase bad news especially regarding Nigeria(Free Africa in general) is far more sensational than good news. Chad is a malnourished poverty stricken french puppet state trapped in the desert nothing more sorry.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/04/chadian-troops-kill-1000-boko-haram-fighters-lake-chad-200409183528130.html

https://www.voanews.com/africa/1000-boko-haram-fighters-killed-raid-chad-army-reports

http://northafricapost.com/39900-chad-army-kills-1000-boko-haram-fighters.html

There is a word that you may not have heard of called corroboration, the response to an action confirms the other action and to some degree its effectiveness.

https://dailypost.ng/2020/04/07/leave-us-alone-prophet-muhammed-will-help-us-boko-haram-leader-shekau-begs-chadian-soldiers/

http://saharareporters.com/2020/04/05/chadian-army-kills-more-boko-haram-terrorists-shekau-begs-fighters-not-run-new-audio

Acrosss the entire NE from multiple sources both the NA , Niger and Cameroon are reports of fleeing Boko fighter coming into multiple locations in Nigeria.

https://www.vanguardngr.com/2020/04/boko-haram-kills-two-persons-loot-destroy-shops-in-borno-communities/

It was gathered that the Chadian troops allegedly set free some Nigerian soldiers held captive by terrorists at Magumeri, a local government in the northern Borno State. Five days later, April 4, the president announced that Boko Haram had been completely removed from Chadian territory.

https://www.africanews.com/2020/04/07/chad-president-joins-frontline-combat-against-boko-haram//

https://africafeeds.com/2020/04/11/chad-pulls-out-of-joint-anti-terrorism-missions-in-lake-chad-and-sahel/

In the political section , there have been claims of paid trolls who come in to make nonsensical claims, and use abuse and vitriolic rhetoric to prevent rational discussion of matters, and try to create chaos and unnecessary bitter wranglings.

I made reference to some media outlets in addition YouTube is filled with videos of killed Boko terrorists and thier camps as well as live battle field footage. But you have completely ignored that.

What on earth is your purpose, because it is not to join a balanced and substantive based discourse.

Cannonleo:
very correct jlin, but an rpg at the rear of the vt4 is as good as a dead tiger tank of the olds, i loved thr vt4 immediately i saw it but when i saw the engine compartment behind and what could happen when hit , i only pray they initate cage armor immediately to protect the rear. As for the T 72, the fact the turrent holds the auto loader and its to small causes the cook off, a bit of ERA extensively arranged can reduce the chances of a cook off by half

It is not correct, the frontal armour of a t72 will not be penetrated by a RPG7, If it has reactive armour then its simply a NO NO.

As you probably know the silhouette of the T72 is very low, the effective range of a rpg7 is about 300 metres its not precision weaponry so trying to hit a moving tank in the Sahel with all the dust kicked up obscuring your vision is not that easy. Every tank has weak point trying to get isn't that easy.

Now getting hit by ATGM is another matter.

Toju200:
He stopped us from getting three Chinooks and 10 cobras

Dude wake up and smell the coffee.

For the purposes of Nigerian armed forces US weapons are mostly over priced and take ages to be delivered.

The Mil Mi-28 night hunter is arguable better than the cobra but its about half the price as well.

The MI17 Will do everything in general we need a Chinok to do but at half the price and far less operating cost, in addition its a much more resilient and rugged aircraft.

Finally you will not have to wait for yeas to get them.

GabrielYulaw:
And? There are many other things the US does not sell its closest allies. Ever seen an American ally using a Nimitz Aircraft Carrier? And why would the allies buy the Raptor when the JSF is supposedly miles better?

Look, building a gunship is not rocket science. You just have to sit down and understand what you need and the tools you need for the job. You can even model it on computers to know how the armament would change the flight behavior of the plane. There is no science to it. In Vietnam the US even put gun and rocket pods, plus miniguns on light planes. Nothing is stopping us from copying that, but with more modern modifications.

Agreed without question.

bidexiii:
Thanks for this man
Guys let do something ?

Let’s compare the Super Tucson vs Su-25 or other jet you would have preferred to get

For me the A-29 Super Tucano is a poor marketing strategy for a plane that has limited functionality but is being presented as a game changer to gullible unimportant 3rd world nations that are not considered strategic to USA interests.

The term COIN is one of these buzz word used in contemporary times to address the issues of counter-insurgency strategy in war against insurgency. It means everything but nothing specifically its ambiguous and fluid. As a consequence how do you measure its success

So when somebody carries a megaphone and says it is the best aircraft for fighting COIN in the world what does that mean what is the unit of measurement, historical deployment, battle records, delivery impact , etc, etc. In actual fact it means NOTHING, its just noise.

But the USA have said so, then it must be true according to a few. If somebody says that the food in his Mums restaurant is the best in the city, but he never eats there, Eeeeee get as he be Will you believe him.

Lets look at Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan and ask to what percentage of USA aircraft deployed over the past 5,7,10 years in these atypical COIN war settings were the A-29 Super Tucano. If you look at the % US flight hours for this the best COIN attack aircraft in the world across all locations the US has been engaged in COIN, how many flight hours has the A-29 Super Tucano in combat So how do you underpin the efficacy of an an attack aircraft without an experiential historical base line to make a deduction from. By presumption and or imagination.

Second observation, the USA has allies and partners, number 1 is probably UK or Israel, and NATO in the Middle east its Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Turkey, Iraq, Qatar, Pakistan, Morocco, Jordan all these countries are having issues with insurgency some to greater extent than others. They are either major partner or minor partners with the USA. Africa i really cant see a major strategic partner, or please correct me.

Now considering the relationship of these major partners and or minor partners and the need for COIN attack aircraft, how many of them have procured the A-29 Super Tucano in their inventory of their air forces The answer is a very loud resounding NONE not even ONE, I wonder why

So how did anybody conclude this A-29 Super Tucano is the "Creme de la creme of COIN attack fighter aircraft " This to me is an elaborate marketing ploy given to insignificant and inconsequential poor third world associates not partners.

Using a Yahoo boy term please correct me if i get it wrong, "Guy man chop, Moogo fall"

There is nothing to compare, one is battle tested proven, reliable, rugged ,resilient, bigger payload (triple the A29) and established with stupendous survival under fire, well over four decades, and can even run on poor grade fuel including petrol doesn't need complicated ground control avionics to get airborne.

They are two totally different aircraft so its a failed comparison.

But the crucial issue is we need aircraft in the NE, RIGHT NOW like yesterday not in 4 years time.

If I had $100 million, we could have 12 Sukhoi Su-25 within two week operational and 24 in 4/5 weeks all turning Boko to dust, that would be a complete game changer.

IMO not just my opinion, I know this war is very political and the fifth columnist are not in the rank and file of Nigerian armed forces but somewhere way higher up.

my two pennies , NUFF SAID

kabe1:
Nigeria bought 12 Super Tucanos for $329 million. That individual claiming 600 million is telling lies.

We are also getting JF-17 thunders, we are also getting MI-35m helicopters. For the MI-35m once we pay the balance the remaining 8 units would be delivered.

The Tucanos can carry all the ground attack bombs and munitions in the US Air Force service apart from MOAB and Nuclear weapons.

The Tucanos can loiter and provide reconnaissance for 10 hours to ground troops, imagine that capability.

The Tucano is perfect for Nigeria considering we are not in a threat environment like Syria were the enemy has MANPADs.

We cannot buy the TU-160 it's not going to happen. We cannot buy the AC-130, that's not going to happen either.

What the Nigerian army needs in addition to more of the VT-4 Tank is a dedicated Air Arm, armed with Light Attack Helicopters.

Defense Security Cooperation Agency
NEWS RELEASE
On the web: http://www.dsca.mil Media/Public Contact:
pm-cpa@state.gov
Transmittal No. 16-55
Government of Nigeria – A-29 Super Tucano Aircraft, Weapons, and Associated Support
WASHINGTON, Aug. 3, 2017 - The State Department has made a determination approving a possible Foreign Military Sale to the Government of Nigeria of twelve (12) A-29 Super Tucano aircraft and weapons, including all associated training, spare parts, aviation and ground support equipment, and hangar, facilities, and infrastructure required to support the program. The estimated total case value is $593 million. The Defense Security Cooperation Agency delivered the required certification notifying Congress of this possible sale on August 2, 2017.

https://www.dsca.mil/major-arms-sales/government-nigeria-29-super-tucano-aircraft-weapons-and-associated-support

This matter has long been buried, but you have chosen to be very dishonourable and present disinformation, it is infantile to be getting emotive and calling people you do not know LIARS. But unforgivable when there is clear substantiated official records to the contrary of your opinion. This not the political section where the language is uncouth and people engage in inconsequential slanging matches to no purpose.

You really with that kind of behaviour downgrade the discourse.

First of all it was not just one individual but several individuals, Bidexiii, S400, and myself to name a few who all substantiated the position with reference to published state department records.

You also have one of the contractors to Sierra Nevada Corp. and the specific detailed contract sum of $344 million with reference to that contractor gazetted. The total not-to-exceed amount of the UCA is approved at $344,727,439 to include a Forward Looking Infrared System for six of the aircraft. This piece is projected to be funded soon after UCA award.

https://www.defense.gov/Newsroom/Contracts/Contract/Article/1700404/

The question is how many other contractors are involved in the whole package ? Because the Defense Security Cooperation Agency make reference to the whole package.

You can make two analogies for clarity if you don't understand. For instance in a large construction infrastructure project you will have several contractors and maybe 1 or 2 main contractors. The DFSA refers seemingly to the whole contract package not the singular contractor Sierra Nevada that is why they have the total contract package figure of $600 million.

You can compare this to a situation where you buy a new laptop for £400, it will not come with an operating system and if you are not very IT savvy. You will buy the Windows 10 , anti- virus, extended warranty, etc. that may cost you an additional £300, at the point of sale not getting the best deal, IMO. As many of you will know A laptop without the operating system and a few other accessories, is simply useless.

My suspicion is that for these over priced, turbo prop A29's the USA have tied in all kinds of service agreements, weapons training, communications infrastructure, weapons, munitions, etc, etc and further bumped up the cost. But in such a way these planes will be totally non operational without continuous USA input, how wise have we been. In addition because we lacked strategic foresight, we paid upfront for something you will not see in its completion until 2024.

You know you can have a legalised corporate scam (sorry market strategy manipulation), its very similar strategy that large multi national super market chains adopt with their inventories management.

What would Yahoo boys would call the entity that agreed to this deal ?

You have not dissuaded me from my original position, which is the total package contract sum is $600 million, I did not use condescending language to get my view across and call you a liar. Its still your prerogative to disagree or agree.

Toju200:
Rumors are up that Nigeria will soon receive 35 BMP1 from Ukraine...
I heard brand new

Lol very funny.

The BMP1 production stopped in the 1980's and was first introduced by the Russians in the 1960's.

You can pick them up for about $10k per unit or even scrap metal.

QuietMynd:
Since there is nothing to discuss again rather than ng vs chad.
Let me drop this

Edinburgh Castle.

This place is very dear to my heart in so many ways, that l can't say really say here.

The first parade ground l ever went to in my life.

Odunayaw:
Thing is I really dislike typing long things. I made reference because that evidence isn't so far lost in the thread.

When you say evidence that means substantiated information.

It's not just an opinion.

GabrielYulaw:
You are comparing apples and watermelons. The contract for the T-72s you are talking about were awarded to top brass in the NA. They went and got near-scrap T-72s for less than $100,000 and then sold it to the NA for around $3 million.

I still have Nairaland links to that shit. And yes, it still makes me super angry when I think about it.

What Komekn was saying was that we buy second hand T-72s and massively upgrade them. In case you didn't know, Russian has tens of thousands of these tanks in stock and just parks them cos they are not needed.

We can get them very cheap and that means we can have hundreds of them rolling around our battlefield for the price of what we are paying for these Chinese tanks. Putin might even give some to us for free if we let him spend some private time with Genevieve Nnaji

Absolutely correct. LOL

Although l use the term used it's somewhat misleading. Some of these Tanks have less than 3000 miles on them. They have just been stored for years.

Many eastern block countries give them away for free in the name of friendly gestures. See below.


https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/news_21570.htm?selectedLocale=en

AskiaHarem:
Get the Bleep out of here coon. It's braindeads like you that are the reason countries like France and beyond still have much of the continent under uninterrupted economic and soilshilogic slavery and why there about to test bio agents here.

I have one answer for you SILENCE

BlackBaron:
All these fights over tanks.
Who remembers the time when it was T84 Ukrainian oplots we were supposed to get?

Then didn't happen and we got T72s instead. For the price we got them, spares and repairs meant we couldn't sustain any momentum with them.

We got VT4s, this deal most likely comes with support and logistics for an extensive period of time. It lacks all the bells and whistles of their MBT3000, but it is advanced than anything in Sub Saharan Africa right now.


By the way, Thailand actually preferred The Oplot but Ukraine wasn't able to meet production demands (priorities for their own army at war with Russia) so soon chose the VT4 to fill in their needs.

We are not contending with Algeria or Egypt it's Boko Haram it's not conventional warfare.

Not what we need and therefore not fit for purpose. IMO

Odunayaw:
I also don't like the BTRs but they're dirt cheap and they could be gotten fast AND IMPORTANTLY they are quite fit for purpose...Even if we have just 12 per Battalion, with MRAPs complementing

90% of Boko combatants will have an mainly light arms. Then the smaller % will have RPG's and of course the obligatory sometimes battered gun trucks with HMG.

When the lead starts flying what's your survival chance in the back of a pick up truck then if you survive that of course you would have taken casualties. What's then is your response afterwards, not very effective my opinion. You are now trying to stay alive, disorientated and shocked.

Which would you rather be in a BTR 80 with 30mm that will give protection from the Ak raining round around you. And a chance to respond. If we retrofit cage armour you have negated the RPG threat to some degree.

In addition BTR is great off road, never have to follow the same track twice. Very difficult to set up IED ambush.

Which would your prefer to be in, a $50 K used BTR or a $50k brand new Toyota truck.

Odunayaw:
They were in what I call a "regroup" thus making it possible for the three Generals to be in a video. In advance or even defense, 3 battalions can never be together. Of course, this isn't going into details of orbat as I don't have such strength to type

I am honestly shocked to see a general in a forward position in very volatility direct contact engagement with the enemy.

Three Generals is totally bewildering irrespective of the circumstances.

Theory and practice are two different things.

I could write an academic paper on organisational culture and the preponderance of culture over process management and strategic response.

And in the context of the military it has greater credence.

Odunayaw:
Kabe1 have posted such facts —of their loss. Even a simple google search will help

If you think 20 dead here and there and a bursting off their stashes equals "wiping out", then I'm afraid, this discussion will go in circles

Don't piggy back on some one elses comments that's a bit weak.

And if you do, of you can take a screen shot of my comments you can of his.

I was very specific not general.

You comment but you don't address the issue in any way or form.

Toju200:
Jesus!!!!
Guy can't u be grateful for ones
You are always *I'll rather this and that*
What is now wrong if they buy new VT-4.
I'm sure if they had bought refurbished tanks you'll say they sold Nigeria repaired scraps from junkyards...
It's a 154million dollar deal...
The amount of machines dropped yesterday was 17

You are being emotive and not objective and finally don't blaspheme.

Battlefield management is very similar to corporate management one description of profits is monetary and the other is victory over the adversary.

In this context time and impact spread are very important. And our main threat and concern is the Boko and the SE.

How large is the entire theatre of the SE❓

What impact across the entire theatre of operation in the SE will 30+ tanks make ❓❓

Then the question is are they what is needed in an attrition and asymmetric warfare environment.? ❓❓❓

You can talk from sentiment or you can look at things from a standpoint of objectivity and outcomes delivery. I guess depending on your knowledge base.

That's why we always ask the question, "Fit for purpose"

Is that what we need tactically speaking in the NE in this type of Sahel savanna desert based attrition and asymmetric warfare. That require self-sustaining units of search and destroy missions to seek out the enemy, respond to intelligence with expedience and devastating effect .

Is this this procurement "BEST VALUE" and if is it not, what are the alternatives? So below my constructive alternative approach, for better effective spread across the entire operational theatre.

In this regard l would rather have bought 100 T64/ 72 upgraded, 150 BMP 3 and the ubiquitous yet still effective BTR 80 at least 150 have them retrofitted with basic FLIR.

And still have some a lot of change for the game changer. Light armoured MRAP type vehicles instead of the software skinned Toyota pick up trucks.

With good negotiations probably create a subsidiary solution for technology transfer. That means part local manufacture.

Way cheaper and effective than those huge heavy and far from nimble MRAPS that are simply not fit for purpose. If you really want to chase down Boko in search and destroy missions. I am talking about the Russia GAZ Tigre. Not the best but very durable and rugged and armoured but still nimble. It won't get stuck off road like the huge MRAP'S.

What I find strange that these are things l know, from commercial procurement in Europe. so l can't believe our top brass dont know these things.

AskiaHarem:
Westerners ARE NOT & NEVER will be our friends. The sooner Nigerians accept this the better off will be.

That's a nonsensical proposition without one iota of substance.

How did you arrive at that deduction ❓ Have you lived in the West and or where educated there. Or is it by personal association and even then you there are a lot of countries in the West.

S400:
To win a contract is not only about the quality . it deppend on many things . the price ( thailand had a limited budget) , the version and options offered , transfer of thechnology ,maintnance terms (Beijing offered to build a major maintenance, repair and overhaul (MRO) facility in Khon Kaen, Thailand ) , the politic relations also .

Add that only thailand bought them in small numbers . so even if its a very good tank , we cant compare with the export succes of the T90 and Abrams

Cheapest does not equate to the best value.

For instance how old are the Alpha jets and how new are the copy engineering Chinese mig 21 i.e. F7. Which have been more reliable and effective?

I admit to unrepentant bias, l would rather have a German engineered, 5 years old Mercedes-Benz G Wagon than a Chinese BAIC G80 or rebranded IVM G80 attempted G Wagon copy.

Furthermore, l also would never use Thailand quality control as a bench mark for quality.

homerac7:
He said "3 Battalion " , which infers 3 Bat headquarted in Effurun, Warri. NOT 3 battalions. Rewatch the video and put into proper context. He couldn't have had more than 1 or 2 composite companies of approximately 250-400 men. Maybe 200 men even depending on field factors. There's no way the whole of c600 mem (max) of 3 Bat will be in Maiduguri, but just components.

Don't get me wrong, it takes nothing away from the terrible optics of the video. Only adjusting the perspective.


Aside: Nice new acquisitions. Hoping they hot them in substantial quantities.

Have you ever seen three Generals commanding one Battalion and or three General leading the forward assault at the same time.

I plead ignorance of how things are done in the Nigerian armed forces and how it comprises it's formation numbers.

But l am using general international standards western.

It was not presumption that the other two generals were the Battalion commanders because that's what was stated. To quote Gen. Adeniyi verbatim "The three Battalions are standing and fighting" That's a plural not singular.

Your Inference has absolutely nothing to underpin it with.

So my position remains unless you are saying that a Battalion has less than 250 men in the context of Nigeria.

Whyem15:
At least this tanks should be usefull against the gun trucks. Its a $152 million deal. 17 vehicles were delivered today including the MBT, light tanks and some artilleries.
Unit cost of VT4-$3million
Unit cist of armata - $3.7 million
I think we went for the better deal considering the VT4 has almost all that the armata has for a lesser price.
The fact that we didn't hear anything about this deal till it was delivered means FG is keeping a lot of deals secret. I hope so sha.
Hope we see more hardwares in the next few months

African government prefer the Chinese route for arms procurement not because of quality. It's simply because the Chinese not averse to " sharp practices" kick back to offshore accounts it's how business is done. A good reason for us not hear anything.

We bought sub standard copy cat engineering Mig 21 from China for hundreds of millions of $$$. When you could buy used MIG 21 from with better airframes and resilience, for a fraction of the price.

Now I am involved in procurement across Europe but not Military. So if l know these things, I don't believe our top brass dont know this too.

Buying 20+ MBT and 30 + Light tanks will not provide the coverage required. They are required but not the main thing.

They need far better communications infrastructure. And light armoured type MRAP vehicles that will not get stuck in the terrain that are fast and mobile that give you some stealth in your search and destroy missions.

All should have RWS with the full suite that gives you clear cut advantage over the enemy.

At this stage NA should be able to have at least 25 UAV to Cover the hot spots of the NE.

My opinion this is not best value for Nigeria and will give very limited relief.