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Danielnino00:
So much hypocrisy on a Sunday afternoon!
If it was one of ur borough boys playing in the abyss of the league 1 and league 2, u would be screaming "lion in a small league" !

So go on Dr 2Know mention one ❓

Where is the hypocrisy, Sadiq played at a higher level was abysmal and dropped to a very very low level and is now outstanding at the low level.

What does that say he is an excellent footballer ❓ l put it to you the Hypocrisy and double standard rests with you not I.

[quote author=darkelf post=84321337]We are saying the same thing.

Even of pinnick had approached him silently, he would still choose England over Nigeria should southgate come calling.

These guys have made up their mind since their youth days to rep England. We just dey waste our time and resources pursuing them[/quote]


You make far reaching assumptions but from what ❓

Personal interaction and or relationship.

How did you arrive at the bolded.

Danielnino00:
What's the evidence that Sadiq failed at rangers ?
How many games did he even play?

You don't have a right to play.

You earn the right to play.

He was woeful in training and woeful in games. There were big expectations but he failed to live up to any.

Even in the U23 's he was far from impressive.

He was exceptionally POOR and the coaching staff and fans attested to this. It became an embarrassing comedy for the club.

Do your research. It's clear you have done none hence your question.

tbaba1234:
You make it very simple but it isn't. There are other considerations. Eze is looking to get a new contract or a transfer in the summer. He stands to earn more staying with England for now than switching to Nigeria. It is all a strategic move to increase earning. This is what their agents tell them. It is not about not wanting to play for Nigeria.

Thank you

But why is it so complicated and far flung for so many people to understand that.

I've said it explained it broken it down and yet they still stand in darkness.

charlesemeka85:
what made him foolish? he is foolish yet he is the number 1 man in nigerian football while the both of us are in here yelling and wailing as usual

Noise makers making no sense.

Imagine Amaju is foolish.

darkelf:
Oga tbaba, it doesn't really matter.

Foreign born wey wan play for Naija, it doesn't matter whether it is private or public, they will honor the call. How can a player jettison the senior team of Nigeria for U-21 of England and many here are still expressing hope? Una eye no wan clear?

You clearly lack understanding if you did you wouldn't be asking that question ❓ sadly.

Kbs468:
Exactly my point. You don't even need to go after anybody. Instead, whenever any Player or Players are being discovered, simply feed the NFF's technical department with the details so that They can keep monitoring him or them while also notifying the SE manager about it through the said department as far as the Players in question have at one time expressed interest in playing for NIGERIA because they would always be asked by journalist.

Now, you would be seeing receipt of expenditure for the said engagement trip including those involving TAMMY &TOMORIs failed trips

It's a pity seriously

Everything you have said can be considered reasonable.

But the bolded is highly flawed. First of all footballers will not speak to journalists hung ho. What people say to the press and what they day close confidants are two completely different things.

What footballers say to me and the press are two COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THINGS.

Kbs468:
Exactly my point. You don't even need to go after anybody. Instead, whenever any Player or Players are being discovered, simply feed the NFF's technical department with the details so that They can keep monitoring him or them while also notifying the SE manager about it through the said department as far as the Players in question have at one time expressed interest in playing for NIGERIA because they would always be asked by journalist.

Now, you would be seeing receipt of expenditure for the said engagement trip including those involving TAMMY &TOMORIs failed trips

It's a pity seriously

You really don't know your NFF officials.

And by now you should know London is like another state capital of Nigeria. They come to London on any excuse and a few of them have houses here.

But will still stay in hotels at NFF expense a very Nigerian mentality.

Lucque:
I think personally dat nff has done enof at dis point...so whatever the lad decides to do is no longer in our hands.... Lets just wish him well nd move on

Thankfully Amaju is not ignorant of the dynamics of football marketing and value associated with national allegiance.

Soon Eberechi Eze will be playing for Nigeria, my expectations before the end of January or sooner.

darkelf:
Imagine if it was Southgate that had gone through all this trouble.....I doubt Eze would have given him the same answer.

Why can't we understand that this guys don't want to rep Naija. Its like dejavu all over again (as it was with Tammy)

I have talked about the football dynamics and value associated with branding and national team selection. The leverage used to get the long term contractual agreement etc.

But you seem not to have understood these dynamics.

How many of these boys have you spoken too and how many if thier agents have you spoken too.❓

I expect more depth of understanding from you at this stage, you are talking superficially.

Kbs468:
I think you would quite agree with me that playing in a lower League system status should not necessarily be the yardstick for measuring the quality or otherwise of football players.

For I want to believe that Our NPFL can't be rated in the same class as the 20th place SERBIAN League in Europe by any standard but it's the same League that has produced super stars of AFRICAN Ney WORLD Football before?

Besides, Some Players that can be regarded as Lions in lower or poorer clubs by virtue of their consistent outputs and displays needs International invitation and engagement for them to strike luck with bigger clubs and contract signing like it has been observed with many other Players around the world

I hope you get my point.

I appreciate your position.

But I AM VERY CONCERNED, we are Nigerians if there is loophole for abuse, then guaranteed Nigerian will abuse it.

The SE is not the platform for players to progress thier failing careers.

Selection must be fair, measured and objective.

It's what you do in your club and league with consistent, continous and top performances that's gives the basis for selection.

Consider the bold, this has been the bane of the NFF over the years, infact historically. Coaches officials now use it to leverage the careers of the players they have interest in. This goes to the highest levels of the NFF. We know what happened with Shittu and Tony Harrison. There are others but no need to mention names.

It's a recipe for the enthronment if corruption which is still rife in the NFF. Even at youth level it's rampant.

Sadiq case is outside of my normal proposition. Because he has had several years in top 10 leagues but been adequate at best. Another year in a sub 15 rated league in Europe was woeful and now he goes to a sub 20 rated league in Europe and is outstanding. It may be that's his level.

He has to be tested at a higher level before deductions can be made.

The SE is for the best players Nigeria can get.

The difference between the Nigerian origin players from the UK or Europe. Is that they do not need the SE to bolster thier careers, it adds no value to them. Unlike players born and home grown from Nigeria, who need that SE for thier careers to progress.

If you do well in your league and club and are outstanding then recognition and the £££ big pay out will come. Classic examples Dele Alli league one MK Dons to Tottenham. Ngolo Kante, Mahrez, Gomez, Ademola, etc.

I remember George Abbey played RB for the SE but that didn't help his career the highest level he attained was league one.

I am very positive that come end of January or before Eberechi Eze will be in the SE. And Iwobi will have some serious competition.

Kbs468:
Yes he is nowhere near PAPILO in terms of creativity and I was only referencing the 'Getting the best of Onuachu would mean an alteration in our playing style in the final third.'
comment by TheSuperNerd though. And as a target Man with OSIMHEN already filling out that vacuum means the end of the road for him by my reckoning already.

I honestly and sincerely admit the better by far preference for SADIQ or even an OLAYINKA for he would put up a similar traits of OSIMHEN with his speed, good Ball control, Aerial excellence, energy passing fosight.

Wow Sadiq is almost top of the Serbian league.

Serbian league rated 20 in Europe what does that say. He may get an opportunity to move to a better league to prove that he has quality. It's an indication that he is improving but not conclusive.

After his disastrous outing in the Scottish league with Rangers where he was comprehensively woeful. He has dropped down a few levels and is doing well, but is it good enough. There are still questions.

Osimhen dropped from Bundesliga to a Belguim league rated 8 in Europe. He then moved up to French league rated 5 and he has kept the consistency although there is a long way to go. He has shown great progress in effectively his second season of competitive first team football.

But a league rated 20 in Europe is simply too low too make deductions of true quality. Let him move to at least a top 10 league before any real deductions can be made.

It will be an insult to players who are doing so well in other leagues rated far higher.

edi287:
Ruben was injured all season. Is Onazi who he replaced a giant? He should've taken Ogude then if he was so desperate for a physical presence in midfield.
Truth is Keshi liked the guy and believed in his talent just like many do with Nwakali.
You know his coach at Kilmarnock was surprised that he made our WC Squad?

Ruben was so poor he played two games one as a substitute got conceded a penalty and never played another game again. He was EXCEPTIONALLY POOR not surprisingly he was released.

He went to the World cup hardly playing any competitive games for a season.

Hope Akpan was playing as a DM for Reading in the EPL at that time he is physical and did very well playing for Nigeria. However, for reasons unknown by the NFF he was dropped.

TheGoodJoe:
You people keep making this statement. Keshi wanted a big player who could play in the midfield, after going with another lightweight player in Ramon Azeez.

In the game against France, we were up against a highly physical French team. When it was time for a substitution to replace Onazi, Keshi called Ramon and I exclaimed, "No O! They will kill him on that pitch. Luckily, Mikel signalled to Keshi not to try it and then replaced Onazi with Gabriel.

So, Haruna and Ajagun would not have come in for the extra big man. It was due to strategy he brought in Ruben Gabriel to match the players at his disposal.

Ruben Gabriel should never have been in that team absolutely no justification. However, we know who is agent was and his relationship with the NFF.

charlesemeka85:
whats up with your borough boy aneke who you have been clamouring for his inclusion in the super eagles to become the team's undisputed number 10 hahahahahahahahaha!

bobo don turn dry cleaner for charlton

Just like Onomah he has not been able to impose himself. Unfortunately for him Injury has not helped him as well and he still remains Injured. Other players have taken position and he will struggle to displace them, very few managers want to change a winning team.

Meanwhile his fellow country man Oshijala has been impressive essentially a CB that can play as a RB he played DM for Charlton today.

charlesemeka85:
Forget hype Osimehn is better than tammy

Are you playing to the gallery or do you really believe that❓

I have had people bring out daggers for me when this subject was discussed some time ago


The Bundesliga is ranked number 3 in Europe. That means the EPL is higher, however we don't have rankings that consider the second tiers of Europe. However the disparity between the top 12 clubs leaves the bottom 4/5 clubs to be very poor.

I watched Paderborn and found the quality of football to be very low. They are the bottom club of the Bundesliga but l would not place them above a bottom three club of the Championship which is Stoke city.

Let's be substantive and not emotive and hasty. We can consider football quality but players and also by costs.

Look at the number of international players in Stoke including our own Etebo and compare the numbers of international players in Paderborn including our own Collins.

Now let's look at finances the team transfer value now compare the two. Who is ahead by value.

Does anybody believe that Paderborn will beat Stoke city. In football anything can happen but on paper Stoke look above to me.

This is why l say that the Championship is the most unique 2nd tier league in Europe able to generate by far much more money than any other 2nd tier in Europe.

So for those that dismiss the Championship it's based on emotive prejudice than substantive facts.

Finally, to buttress my point put in the bottom team of the EPL Watford and play them against Paderborn what do you think will happen.

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charlesemeka85:
bros make we reason abeg, can you name coaches from the local scene who you deem better than rohr?

are you referring to the period we were made to believe by a certain coach that the likes of uchebo,reuben,oboabona,kwambe,oshaniwa,nwofor just to mention a few were better than:

imoh ezekiel who took the belgian league by storm then as a rookies in the colors of standard liege?

abdul ajagun who was doing very well in the colors of greek giants panathinakos?

taiye taiwo and haruna lookman who were ever present figures in dynamo kiev then?

obafemi martins who was scoring for fun in levante and continued with the same form in the mls?

otigba who was a young defender then playing regularly in dutch club heereveen?

sone aluko who was doing well in glasgow rangers and continued with the form when he joined championship side hull city?

ejide who was miles better than chigozie agbim?

Sone Aluko was in the EPL with Hull at the time not the Championship.

Even in the championship he was voted best Midfielder with Fulham before longthroat carried him to Reading with a million £ safely in his pocket.

Even greater longer throat has carried him to China. He was dropped because he refused to settle.

Starboytwo:
Collins got 7.8 ratings, behind the goalscorer who got 8.1... (2 goals)

That means he was the 2nd best player of his team, how you guys fail to see that is beyond me...

He also bagged one assist, but y'all are blind to that, infact komekn said he did practically nothing, while the winger did everything, the winger should have kuku collect the ball from the goal keeper then, if such assist won't count....

Also if you did not see a game and are arguing with someone who watches the game, I don't understand how you can give informed analysis of what happened... I definitely will side @thesupernerd over @kbs


I'm not saying Collins Is eldorado, but 7.8 ratings(2nd behind the golascorer) and an assist is not a bad game at all for a person like Collins(well he is presumbed to be a carpenter here)... Even if we go by stats alone and not watch the match, it's still a great stat for him....

I watched the game.

I have also checked Whoscored.com and if you look backwards you will see the screen shot.

Collins had 6.95 the CB had the highest rating and the goal keeper waa rated 5th in the team.

So you information is incorrect and simply not true. You chose to support a view not based on facts, truth and or substantive deductions. But on what emotive sentiment.

Statistics are indicative not conclusive. You must understand that they don't tell the full story

Paderborn is a very poor team.

Joebie:
THE STORY BEHIND THE STATS (Eberechi Eze)
Fulham 2-1 QPR

Rating 6.98
With an average rating of 7.00, Eze who played in the MR position was the third best performer in a QPR shirt.

Total Shots
Ebere only managed 2 shots in the 90 minutes spent on the pitch, one of which was on target.

Possession
With a total of 62 touches, Eze had a 4.4% possession of the ball during encounter.

Passes
With a total of 30 passes, 27 (4 key passes) of which found his teammates, he scored 90% in successful passes ( the 4th highest on the pitch)

Dribbles
By his standards, he only managed 2 dribbles ( joint 2nd highest)

Tackles
Ebere had a total of 5 attempted tackles. 4 of which were successful making him the third joint best on the pitch in terms of successful tackles.

Corners
He was given the responsibility to deliver corners 9 times and had a 56% corner accuracy.

Dispossessed
Ebere recorded a game low in terms of the number of times he was dispossessed. This must have been the biggest factor to his relatively low rating. He was dispossessed 6 times, more than any player on the pitch.

Conclusion
Ebere Eze still has lots of work to do this season to get closer to his dreams of representing the Three Lions. For now Gernot Rohr can only hope he has a change of mind someday. For me, he needs to be the stand out player -- or at least one of the top players -- in the Championship by the end of the season to be an UNDISPUTED Super Eagles candidate.

I disagree.

The Championship is the prelude to the EPL it's the preparation ground before you get to the EPL.

If you are outstanding in the Championship you will be a top player in the EPL that's almost a given.

Ebere statistically speaking is the best player in the Championship. That's AMAZING.

Who is better Iwobi Or Eze❓ Put Iwobi in QPR and in the same position playing hard physically intense football without too many technical players around you, will he do better or even comparable.

So it's open to debate.

However, one thing is not in dispute from what l have seen Eze has a far better shot than Iwobi. Also able to shoot with power and accuracy with both feet. This is something that Iwobi has always struggled with.

He has already done enough. What more does he have to do.❓

Our current arguably best Midfielder Etebo plays in Championship and to be honest has been largely anonymous in the league. That should tell us something. Even Ovie has been consistently impressive for his club Reading and league.

darkelf:
All this just for five words? Oga Komekn, take it easy na.

OK

let's have substantive discussion based on truths not fantasy. We may disagree but we should not venture so far away from the facts.

drDoom3:
Not forgetting he lost possession the most among Paderbon players. He had a good game in terms of tackles and interceptiondbut he lost the ball so much coming forward it became annoying.

Exactly

I watched the game and after reading the comments here. I began to wonder if l watched a different game, and l had my eyes on Collins most of the match l felt Hakimi gave Collins a torrid time leaving Collins for dead on a few occasions.

Collins has poor recovery is something l noticed against fast players. Sancho changed wings the only way Collins could deal with him was with physicality not technique.

darkelf:
Now this is hard evidence

Hard evidence of what, might l ask ❓

I watched the match.

When a team is poor they will spend the larger part of thier time defending. As a consequence the stats for clearances and blocks will go high. It's not a sign of quality if taken in context.

After the first half Dortmund woke up and peppered the goal of Paderborn. What the stats don't tell you is how many times Collins got beat. From my calculations on at at least 6/7 occasions he lost the ball. On a few it was actually taken off him. But the whole team was stuck in a desperate rear guard action in the second half. Last ditch clearances were being made all the time by the defenders. Consider this statistic 10 corners for Dortmund and just 2 for Padeborn that tells you were the ball was most of the match in the second half.

To be outstanding his team should have won the game. How do you not win after getting a 3nil lead at half time.

As a wing back you should be able to get up the field and put in some telling crosses. In the entire match l recalled him getting forward on three occasions. His so called assist is ambiguous because he passed the ball to his left winger Holtman who burned down the line beating the defender and nutmegging the goalkeeper. He essentially did everything himself.

So what's the hard evidence. In reality stats are indicative not conclusive. And someone here being outright delusional is misleading matters with falsehood. Even misrepresenting who who scored, why do people tell lies on a faceless forum to strengthen a non existent argument. I guess they are Superdelusuional.

Koboko99:
Why you no add Jordan Ibe and Dominic Solanke to the list. Are they not English players of Nigerian origin again?

I did not Add Jordan Ibe because l spoke to him and his Jamaican step Dad. And they made it very clear about 3 years plus ago. They had no interest in playing for the SE.

It may be that Ibe has little or no input from his biological father and as such hasn't affinity for anything Nigerian.

With regards to Solanke my position is very clear he has no affinity with Nigeria and never will. So why would you then recommend him. Because l DID NOT and never have.

But obviously you have jumped on the bandwagon of those who loud noises and make spurious claims. Without actually establishing if there's any substance to those claims.

andrewbaba44:
Barcelona have bottled so many leads, are you going to call them a crappy team?

You are always looking for a way to attack the guy

No not at all.

But everything in context not isolation.

But when you have played 12 games in the Bundesliga lost 9, one just one game and have had two draws. That's the record of Paderborn.

Collins was far from outstanding.

What does that say to you ??

darkelf:
Any reason Josh Onomah is an unused Sub for Fulham?

He simply has been dissapointing in the games so far. And has become a bench warmer he just has not risen to the occasion.

Consequently, Oviemuno, Eze have left him behind for now.

andrewbaba44:
Off course there is no waste man solanke there or fred onyedinma

Padeborn is not a good team so please dont bring that here as we all here know that, focus on trolling jamilu collins and leave padeborn alone

First of all I HAVE NEVER RECOMMENDED Solanke for the SE. So that's not a possibility the dude has zero affinity for Nigeria.

Fred Onyedinma is playing in league one after refusing blatantly to play again for Neil Harrison then manager of Millwall in the Championship.

When was the last time have l mentioned Fred Onyedinma. Probably about two years ago.

So what exactly is your point is it just childish posturing, unnecessary arguments and contention. ❓ ❓

In actual fact Fred Onyedinma had misplaced loyalty, Holloway then Manager came in for both him and Eze but he refused.

However, we talk about the HERE and NOW he's doing good things at Wycombe but needs to do a lot more IMO.

As a result nothing to report.

darkelf:
Ebere Eze's QPR loosing 2:1 away at Fulham

It was always going to be a tough game for QPR for me Fulham are probably the best footballing side in the Championship.

In midfield along side Eze is another Nigerian Ayodele on loan from Tottenham.

andrewbaba44:
Why will something change?

When he is not one of those your overatted bang average british players

Which players are you talking about.

Tega Abrahams, Fikayo Tomori, Eberechi Eze, Seyi Ojo , Oviemuno Ejaria, Dominic Iorfa, etc, etc please tell us.

Oh my goodness Paderborn have confirmed thier carpenter status

It is now 3-3

How can you loose a 3-0 lead no wonder they are bottom of the BUNDESLIGA.

Exceptional Collins gets a yellow card

And Dortmund have just scored it's now 3-2 and Dortmund have been peppering the goal of Paderborn. If they win this game they will.be very lucky.
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DrKlever:
Please help me manage this small stout for the weekend. Let me know if if you want it served with peper soup

It's so dam cold here.

I am dreaming of hot authentic pepper soup.