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Amedino99:
by their success level, aston villa is way bigger. If there were in London, Aston villa would be Chelsea while Birmingham would be Fulham.

Not exactly.

When was the last time Birmingham City was in the EPL ❓


That tell you the story as well as the huge gulf between Villa and Birmingham City.

Barryseal:
True. But you don't completely wash away history and in terms of size I'm referring to what the club represents and the size of the city.

Aston villa are in the city of Birmingham

charlesemeka85:
the matter still dey bother me how omeruo will just settle for laliga 2 and he seem very comfortable there

Is it that some of these players hv bad agents or they aren’t good enough to attract decent top flight clubs?

Defenders like omeruo and awaziem are good enough to play for atleast midtable German and French clubs

There is reason why players drop .

First thing is CONSISTENCY they have some good Games and then some bad games.

The higher up you go you need to have minimum standard consistency. Omeruo and Awaziem struggle to have consistent quality.

That's why one is in the Cyprus league and the otuerhas built house in Segundo division.

Osayi Samuel turned down EPL clubs and went to Turkish league for more money. But he's been oustandingly good in that league now plethora of EPL clubs want him

Lesson hear is that Quality no de hide

charlesemeka85:
he’s not even better than omeruo, the edge he will have ahead of omeruo is that he is younger

Even at Ghent he is not a regular

Omeruo who has been languishing in Segundo permanently is poor and I think he Jordan is better but still not good enough.

quickberry:
Please, list our top 5 CBs

Potential or current.

Because Omeruo and Awaziem are in the list but in my opinion are expired and have always been questionable quality.

lovewins:
Just In:

Jordan Torunarigha of KAA Gent has announced his decision to represent Nigeria at the international level. Jordan whose father also played for Nigeria says:

"After a lot of consideration and good talks with the coach and all people in charge, I decided to play for the country for which my father already stood on the pitch, Nigeria ".

Thoughts??

When a player who publicly rejected Nigeria after several requests. Decides to have a change of mind , l wonder why ❓


Jordan Torunarigha, was far from outstanding in the Bundisliga and decided to drop several places in a far less competitive league with limited quality, the Belgium League. That's because he is not that good to be honest.

It is more like, " Water 💦 don find Level 🎚️" he is never going to be called to the German national team.

He is probably better than Omeruo but quality oustanding he is absolutely not.

Tosin Adarabioyo is way better than him

Barryseal:
They aren't. Birmingham is the biggest club in West midlands, far bigger than Newcastle. They aren't just where they are supposed to be. This club was formed in 1875.

Unfortunately we don't anchor ⚓ prominence and capacity on history.

As it stands Aston Villa, West Bromwich , Wolverhampton W, are all much bigger clubs than Birmingham City.

charlesemeka85:
Wolfsburg midfielder Felix Nmecha linked with a move to Manchester United. Borrusia Dortmund interested too

If I'm right he was at City academy for several years before going to the Bundisliga

Barryseal:
You're way off the mark man. Jezz! This boy signed his first professional football deal at 17 with Birmingham a club he's been with since he was 8yrs old. Players sign professional deals at 17.
How can you deceive your audience saying his shirt number was retired just because he signed a pro deal with his boyhood club?

For crying out loud, Jude Bellingham was a star boy of the city of Birmingham (the 3rd largest city in England after London and Manchester). He almost singled handedly saved them from relegation winning man of the match almost every week. As a gesture to inspire others kids from their academy they made a preemptive call to retire his number. His relative success with England and Dortmund in addition to his €110M Madrid deal means the club’s management were absolutely right to bank on him.

Actually it was well before that probably at 15.

At age 16 he had played 41 games in the Championship for Birmingham City FC, that's essentially astonishing.

wayodude:
Rubbish. Playing with the reserves at 15 years old is not as rare as you make it sound. If you are as close to the academies in the English game as you claim to be you will know this.

Again, several players have made their debut at 16 even in the Premier League and had rave reviews just like Bellingham. Of course it was great for Bellingham to also have been in your words 'dominating men' although in 'division 2' reserve games.

For example at 16/17 years old midfielders like Jack Wilshere, Josh McEachran were not only playing with and dominating men in the Premier League and Champions League. Had Chelsea or Arsenal sold them on at that point they would have probably gone for more money than Bellingham went for... Sadly Arsenal and Chelsea don't get that excited at talented youth prospects to retire a squad number in their honour if they do move on.

You say Sancho was 'established' at Manchester City!? Hahahahaha funny guy, he was so established he didn't kick a ball for the first team.

In any case have we now lowered the bar to about being consistently exceptional and outstanding to simply being 'established'. Do tell us.

I think you are consistent and exceptional in your attempts to prove to the unprovable. Not with me fam, the results won't be outstanding

Not even sure what you're arguing about to be fair.

Your have EVADED the subject.

Let me remind you , you claimed that Jude Billingham was just, "youth prospect with potential"

I proven that to be TOTALLY UNTRUE and you are still making noise.

I have nothing more to say

kingphilip:
Your quote below says he won't find a club in league two.

So which leagues in the world do you equate to league two so when he leaves for those leagues, we won't celebrate the move.

Difficult question ❓

Not all fourth tier leagues are the same, some are near amateurs or semi pro. What would be the unit of measurement across Europe. Thats a tall order.

But my reference was to Nwakali not being good enough for EFL League two, tongue in cheek. But being honest he would struggle in that league.

Barryseal:
Birmingham retired Jude Bellingham's no 22 shirt and he was just 19.

Actually he was 17 and sombody is calling him a mere youth prospect with potential.

In some regards he achieved what many players had not achieved in one season as a 16 year old.

He was already endorsed by Adidas at age 12/13.

wayodude:
Not sure what you mean by asking me to be substantive and objective. What did I say that wasn't? What evidence of what do you want from me? Lol

Both Sancho and Bellingham were not consistent and exceptional performers before being signed by Dortmund. were they?

They were just youth prospects with high potential. There are dozens of players so regarded at any one time. And by the way that is same group of players you talk down on with statements like they haven't played mens football; talents at youth level is at best indicative etc etc. No?

It is acknowledged everywhere that Dortmund's scouting at youth level is very good and they have now seemingly built their business model on it.

Substansive essentially means to be anchored ⚓ on established FACTS and TRUTH.

At 14 Jude Billingham played with the U18 at age 15 he played with the reserve team with consistent oustanding performance. He was dominating men .

At age 16 and 38 days Jude played his first professional first team game for Birmingham city in EFL cup. He was given the MOTM award at this stage he was the youngest ever play to play for Birmingham city.

At age 16 +(56 days) he had his first game in the Championship in August 2019. He was consistently continuously oustanding and by November he was given EFL Young Player of the Month. At the end of the season 2019/20 being still 16 years old he had played 41 games in the Championship with multiple never ending accolades. At the EFL Awards, he was named both Championship Apprentice of the Year and EFL Young Player of the Season. This is your spurious definition of a mere "youth prospect with high potential"


2020/21 after being courted by numerous top clubs including Manchester United he chose Borussia Dortmund. On his first game at age 17 (77 days) September 2020, he scored another outstanding performance. He was B. Dortmund youngest ever goal scorer in the Bundisliga by end of the month he given the accolade, Bundesliga Rookie of the Month for September. This is your misguided definition of what you call ,"youth prospect with high potential"

Jadon Sancho was already on the first team lost at 17 in Manchester city he was already proven established but denied opportunity. Then Borussia Dortmund gave him opportunity the rest is history.

wayodude:
Not necessarily at the bolded. Dortmund scout young players with high potential from any league, be it Austria, Championship etc.

What had Sancho done to show he was a consistent outstanding exceptional performer before they poached him?

Granted he was young, but what had Bellingham done in the championship, before they poached him? Several players have in the past delivered similar output but didn't end up in a Champions League club.

Be substansive , objective and balanced please and present an evidenced based view.

You are talking with bias and sentiment.

Jude Billingham started playing at 16 in the Championship and was at that young age oustanding.

Nonetheless, the amount of performance related data that some clubs in particular Borussia keep on young players is astounding. It's continuous assessment in these players from age 12/13.

This is why they can make an informed decision and map the potential progression of a player.

Borussia Dortmund payed £8 million for Sancho and sold him for £85 Million . Jude Billingham bought for £25 million sold for £115 million. That's some EXCEPTIONAL scouting and player appraisal.

kingphilip:
Which leagues in Europe do you equate with league two just incase he moves we shouldn't celebrate and how long is your here and now?

What do you mean by league two ❓

Napoleon55:
Tomori ,Abraham,Eze represent England.
Adarabioyo n Olise may never play for us.

Super eagles is made up of over 80% of players who were not born in England.
Does it mean that u can never see anything good to talk about those majority of players apart from few who were born in England.

Even if u claim to being objective,
If u could say that Jude Bellingham is arguably the best midfielder in d world,what stops u from saying the same that Osimhen is arguably the best attacker in d world.

Adarabioyo is ready and waiting but it seems he has not settled with the NFF.

Jude is 19 and has been playing since age 16 first team football in addition he has since day one been.

CONSISTENT oustanding exceptional why would Dortmund pay £25 million for 17 year old from the Championship. Has been outstanding for three years running. It was s in this regard I can say edition contradiction he is arguably at 19 best Midfielder in the world.

I can say the same for Haaland continuous consistent oustanding exceptional performance from day one.

V.O. is an exceptionaly good number 9 top level striker, world class yes . But arguably the best in the world at THIS TIME a very big NO.

This is his first season as highest goal scorer in fact in his entire career in a top 5 league in Europe.

I can say that of Haaland, Kane, Mbappe, Lewandowski , Benzema but not YET of VO objectively speaking there is no argument.

Nigeriagood:
so any player who fades quickly lies about age?

When a player is not even thirty and or in his early thirties. And there is huge drop in quality and capacity.

It's very reasonable to consider age fraud as a possibility because we have no automatic birth data capture that that can be authenticated.

And we know our levels of integrity and corruption.

kingphilip:
Here and now or next season that's the 2023/2024 season? Let's know the actual definition of he cannot because we're tired of the goalpost being changed every now and then.

The basis of national team selection is consistent oustanding performance in club and league.

When a player couldn't cut it in the Championship and has always ended up in low quality teams and leagues. It is not because he is good but poor or at best lower percentile average.

Dude has been in Segundo division for how long ❓

daveP:
Ya 90% you say
No sense to leave you also say


These are your words o. Ehen

Cos I've seen way worse situations and it all changed.

Besides as you talk like this, remember it is not facts but under speculation. Ya speculating. Ehen.

No problem sha. We have an understanding on this one

If you took note .

Your will observe that my deductions are not anchored on football ⚽ performance , but financial benefit.

Marjoribanks:
Most guys just come here to lament whenever the Super Eagles list comes out without having the required knowledge about what is going on in our football.
Musa is to Nigeria what Maguire is to England.
How would you list Uzoho when he is suspended?

Disrespecting Omeruo who actually was one of our best players in our last match is laughable. Such comment shows those who do not have access to our matches.

Defence:

Akpo/Osayi Omeruo/Ajayi Ekong/Ajayi Bassey/Zaidu: These are our best defenders.
The inclusion of Duru is for exposure and to show that you will be rewarded if you play well in the league. Such match allowance will help our home-based players. If you watch Ebuehi you will know he is not the same Ebuehi although he is starting at his club. Aina just came back from injuries. 10/10.

Midfield:
Ndidi/Onyeka Iwobi/Aribo, Iheanacho ......... The midfield is shockingly limited and any injury to any of them can seriously affect us. I thought we will learn from our game against Ghana but it seems we are not ready to learn. Onyedika, Bonke and Nwakali deserve a call up. 5/10

Attack:

Oshimen/Awo Chuks/Musa Lookman/Simon. The attack is okay over just two matches (Boniface could help on the wings. Moffi deserves to be called up. Orban needs to be allowed to develop. He has not played a full season in Belgium.

Omeruo is expired and is noway near one of our best defenders and use been weak for several years.

Nwakali name should not mentioned he will not find a club in league two .

Marjoribanks:
Most guys just come here to lament whenever the Super Eagles list comes out without having the required knowledge about what is going on in our football.
Musa is to Nigeria what Maguire is to England.
How would you list Uzoho when he is suspended?

Disrespecting Omeruo who actually was one of our best players in our last match is laughable. Such comment shows those who do not have access to our matches.

Defence:

Akpo/Osayi Omeruo/Ajayi Ekong/Ajayi Bassey/Zaidu: These are our best defenders.
The inclusion of Duru is for exposure and to show that you will be rewarded if you play well in the league. Such match allowance will help our home-based players. If you watch Ebuehi you will know he is not the same Ebuehi although he is starting at his club. Aina just came back from injuries. 10/10.

Midfield:
Ndidi/Onyeka Iwobi/Aribo, Iheanacho ......... The midfield is shockingly limited and any injury to any of them can seriously affect us. I thought we will learn from our game against Ghana but it seems we are not ready to learn. Onyedika, Bonke and Nwakali deserve a call up. 5/10

Attack:

Oshimen/Awo Chuks/Musa Lookman/Simon. The attack is okay over just two matches (Boniface could help on the wings. Moffi deserves to be called up. Orban needs to be allowed to develop. He has not played a full season in Belgium.

Omeruo is expired and is no way near one of our best defenders and has been weak for several years.

Nomyth:
Fernando Torres.

If you noticed I said in the last decade, let me be more clearer for you, a decade means 10 years.

Indeed his last 6/7 seasons in the EPL which is well over 25 years ago , he was abysmal he became a liability for Chelsea.

Please try again.

codemaniacs:
Goalkeepers: should be

Adebayo Adeleye
Maduka Okoye
Aniagboso


Defenders: should be

Ola Aina
Ebuehi
Calvin Bassey
Akpoguma
Ajayi
Zaidu Sanusi


Midfielders: should be

Alex Iwobi
Onyedika
Alhassan Yussuf
Frank Onyeka
Kelechi Nwakali
Ademola Lookman as wide midfielder
Samuel Chukwueze as wide Midfielder or not invited at all but he had a good season so it will be harsh to not invite him.

Lookman and chukwueze as Midfielders due to the fact they had good seasons but the forwards below also had very good seasons.



Forwards: should be

Victor Osimhen
Victor Boniface
Terem Moffi
Gift Orban
Taiwo Awoniyi
Nathan Tella

You are contradicting yourself.

What kind of season did Nwakali have Biko❓

He is in a very very very poor quality league , particularly anything below 6th place. He is surrounded by very poor quality players because he is also very poor quality.

Birds 🐦🐎 of the same feathers fly together.

BascoVanVeli:
U say this with confidence but where is your evidence Can u prove that the Segunda is not helping him?

The young man had to sit out half a season in the Segunda because he went to the AFCON [looked good at that AFCON] and now he has played a whole season for a Segunda team as a starter. How does that not help him? The boy was already looking sharp when he was a bit part player so imagine him being the main guy for a whole season.

For me he has done his part and it is left for his agent to do what needs to be done and find him somewhere suitable.

Bad market deh hard to sell.

Tessyy1701:
In the here and now - Yes.

In the next 6-9month nobody knows

Agreed 👍🏿

daveP:
Will he be up to 20m? I don't think so, so he will most like be a cheap but valuable buy. I don't think he'll stay in championship. Else, I'll concede to you angle.

I am like 90% certain that he will remain in the Championship 🏆 .

It makes no sense to leave FINANCIALLY speaking 🗣️.

Nobody is going to pay him near £100k a week to be impotent, Leicester have no choice they are stuck with him, so they have to make do. Come June 2024 his contract will expire and he will be a FREE AGENT.

Best for him and the club.

Kog45:
Yes the fact still remains Segunda league is not helping Nwakili he need to move to better league and I don’t even mind Turkey.

In most cases clubs and league pick you on account of your quality and ability.

Nwakali has been in Segundo division for three consecutive seasons because he has found his level.

Segundo division is poor quality and the bottom level is even poorer. And the reason he had remained there is because he also is very poor. It's that simple

No he has been relegated to semi professional football ⚽ earning even lesser money than before. Because he is not very good.

Joebie:
Today, Nwakali will do a better job than Aribo in that team.

Today Nwakali has been relegated to semi professional football in an even lower level.

He has been in continuous consistent regression.

Aribo and are not the same type of player one is average and the other mediocre and poor.

daveP:
I sha know they'll introduce the u20 boys gradually before afcon. That midfield dey turn my beller.🤢🤢🤢
They no add YumYum again?

U20 Youth football ⚽ is not first team senior football, there is a big gulf.

The basis for selection in any national team, is continuous consistent oustanding performance in your Club and League.

Until the U20 boys are just that boys and not men until whatever abilities they have are proven in first team football ⚽ in a quality leagues and clubs.

daveP:
8 epl clubs in Europe. Im sure 1 of them will sign Nacho. He fits the idea.

Be like Gusau na local league lover o

I cant see any EPL club signing him AT ALL.

He several problems first of all he had been essentially impotent as quality number 9.

He is on near £100k a week ,his contract expires in 2024 and he will be a free agent.

Which club will pay him £100k a week to be impotent.

So he will play in the Championship untill contract expires, he will start every game barring injury. I expect him to use this peroid to improve and stake a claim to being a top striker. EPL.

Finally, whatever happens come June 2024 he will be a free agent and he can choose a multitude of clubs in Europe not the best but average level clubs.

charlesemeka85:
Even kelechi Nwakali who shone at he’s relegated club and rated as one of the best long ball specialist in the league with 2 assist and a goal to he’s name no even get invitation 😭

Peseiro na tozo 🥱

It's shocking 😳How could he level the "special Talent" the long ball specialist who has perfected his skill in the Segunda division for three seasons.

What a shock 😨

Kog45:
Eletu agent is good

I remember when a particularly oustanding talent in the name of Ibrahim Rabiu , career was primarily messed up by agent's.

A note of caution.

From what I gather Eletu has not played any first team football ⚽ of note. Let the player prove his quality in first team football and his worth before making grandiose claims.

Agent are mostly focused on 💷💵 do beware and wise.