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lovewins:
I didn't limit the scope of racist. There was a context to the conversation. What I did was shine the light on the root of it which is hate.

While I also agree that racist name calling and abuses are largely inconsequential, the reactions from Vini's experience suggest otherwise. Many persons (and rightly so) are not built to consider it as such.

I personally do not subscribe to the "institutional racism" narrative . I believe it's a more nuanced conversation . I think that racism is quite serious, unfortunately we've used it so much for things that aren't remotely racist that it's beginning to lose its potency.

I do believe that everyone, irrespective of race have unconscious bias. By our lived experience, we sometimes believe that certain persons are better suited for certain roles. It most times have nothing to do with hate, it's just how we've learnt to do this. It's why though women's football is played 100% by women, we have less than 30% women coaches handling these teams. It's got nothing to do with hate, it's just how the world has learnt to do things and of course evolution will occur with time.

It's why I am a vast supporter of equality of opportunity. It's how we give people the chance to do damage to our biases. Equality of opportunity however isn't necessarily equality of outcome.

Women's football an example of discrimination and inequality.

Women football is over a hundred years behind mens football in practice and delivery.

If you make a comparison of women's athletics and men's athletics the bare both of a very high standard. With the obligatory difference in gender.

But I can assure you that an academy team of U16 boys will finish England women's national team.

But we are being force fed mediocrity and comedic poor quality football ⚽ just because they are women.

Women have not acquired the experiential and knowledge competencies that men have got over a century. That's not discrimination just pure FACTS.

But a woman will get the job over much far better qualified make coach for one reason she is a WOMAN the pertinent and overriding qualifying component.

Thats reverse discrimination and sexism.

Back to racism, you are either living in Nigeria or you are in a bubble.

Racism is alive kicking and ingrained as well as wide spread and it BLATANTLY denies excludes and castigates black professionals in Football ⚽ management and administration at every level.

It's not a debate but FACT.

Danielnino00:
You're right... Racism isn't something that might never ever go away ..it's in human nature...
However,with regards to the context which is how it is being handled, the premier league is still at least making sure that it doesn't become a norm... Hardly will u see fans chanting such racist slurs at a player and go unpunished.
La Liga is sending the wrong message if they don't deal with it sooner...

The premier League is doing window by dressing and highlighting name calling as a central issue and not addressing the core issues.

Name calling is just the tip of the iceberg.

It's institutional endemic and long standing and rife across the entire football league in England.

lovewins:
This isn't exactly accurate though. What the EPL does better than the others is grandstand and posture, but when it comes to addressing racism they are all the same. Isn't it the same England that Saka and 2 others were subjected to racist abuse after that euros penalty misses?

The EPL has learnt from the USA playbook;
Just kneel before every match, wear special wrist bands, donate to causes that "fight racism" etc. The most important thing is that you be seen as an ally.

Sadly, we can only learn to manage these things, racism isn't going anywhere. It's hate plain and simple and It is innate to the fallen man. It disguises itself in different shades and nomenclature but borne of the same source. It's called tribalism in African parlance but racism abroad. We saw it in our elections just a few months ago. It rares it's ugly head on this platforms too from time to time.

I wish there was a legislative solution to this, but you can't legislate love into people's heart.

Actually you are limiting the scope of racism.

Racist Name calling and abuse , is largely inconsequential although not nice. To lay emphasis on this area of racism evades the core issue.

Equality of opportunity

Considering the number of black football ⚽ players who have performed at the highest level.

You will not find a single Black Manager in the EPL and we have two in Championship.

How many academy directors, heads of recruitment and even academy coaches are black in England. Therein lies the problem.

Darren Moore current Manager of Sheffield Wednesday was appointed interim manager of West Bromwich Albion when they were in the EPL.

He did an astounding job beyond all expectations what was really a poisoned chalice. As a consequence they had no choice but to give him the job , he had an unbeaten run of game's even beating Manchester United and giving the title as a consequence to Manchester city. Nonetheless they were still RELEGATED.

As WBA manager he got sacked when they were 4th position in the Championship.

Currently Sheffield Wednesday had the longest unbeaten record in all the leagues of Europe.

They are in the playoffs now and in pole position to get back to the Championship. They overturned a 3-0 deficit to get to the play off final.

If Darren Moore was white he would be managing an EPL team.

Racism is both conscious and unconscious but it's endemic and institutional. This is a an industry that very perceptive led and subjective so racism rule's.

BascoVanVeli:
So in your own words a player that has been very poor away from Liverpool is good enough for them but a player who has been balling out and just proved himself in their league is not. Does that make any sense?

It's not so simplistic.

Awoniyi is a very different type of player to Origi.

And because it didn't work for Origi in AC Milan doesn't automatically mean it will work for Awoniyi in Liverpool.

BascoVanVeli:
2 goals & 1 assist in 35 appearances for AC Milan this season. Outside Liverpool origi has been average at best.

I would say very poor, average a big No, he has been quite disappointing.

However, when he played for Liverpool he was the oustanding super sub. I have to say he was not the best in training, a lazy trainer.

BascoVanVeli:
U guys are just saying anything now. If Origi could play in that system, what they heck are we talking about here?

Origi was a very technically gifted player and became the quintessential super sub.

Origi was also a very expensive bench warner albeit valued.

do4luv14:
is now they are battling for survival, they knew he is important,

If I were Nacho I won't play well, nonsense and Brendan Rodgers

How did you arrive at that deduction.

Have you heard of the saying, that when the desirable is not available the available becomes desirable.

All of Leicester city's striker's have been wholly inadequate for a Premier league team. Vardy has the excuse of age he is 36 now and is struggling. But for the past decade he has been outstanding for them. But all good things must come to an end.


However, KC and Daka are just about the same never good enough for the premier League. Both of them are poor.

And I can imagine KC getting subbed off and Daka coming on , I can't see them winning this game, LEICESTER have nothing to offer.

But it's football, anything can happen although highly unlikely.

codemaniacs:
Yusuf is playing in Belgium..

he cannot be favored over an indigene or indigenes with potential talents no matter how good he is.

It has nothing to do with hype. Belgium have to groom their future players and talents...

That's a nonsensical proposition without any iota of substance.

When Mane and Salah were killing it across Europe top leagues, it was because they had an renounced their citizenship of Egypt and Senegal for your mind. 🤔🤔

When Emmanuel Dennis, V.O. , Ndidi did so well in Belgium it was because there was no indigenous home grown players from Belgium in their respective football ⚽ teams abe. See 🙈 reasoning.

Meliforme:
Nobody was hyping him.
There was a time he was topping the list of players with the highest number of interceptions and tackles in the Belgian Jupiler pro league.
Yes, his name was no 1 on the list.

Statistics are indicative not conclusive.

It's quite possible in fact I am almost certain Ndidi had better statistics than Ngole Kante when it comes to tackles and maybe interceptions. But did anybody EVER think Ndidi was better than Ngole.

I don't think 💬 so.

Some of you guys here are obsessed with statistics and looking at player ratings and using that as the singular basis for player quality.

It's a very very flawed approach.

zuchyblink:
Now we have potential great midfielders
Akinsamiro
Daga
Eletu
Nnadi
Draft them in. Enough of broilers

Until they start playing first team football ⚽ in good quality leagues and clubs it's for now speculative potential yet to be realised.

BascoVanVeli:
When Taiwo, Gibbs-White and Johnson played together they always swap positions in game, that was the system. I never said he was an out and out winger, I said he is versatile meaning he can play there if need be. If u go back to the Chelsea game earlier in the season, he was balling on the wings. I have been watching Klopp for years and it is a bold face lie to say Taiwo cannot fit his system.

At the end of the day Liverpool sold Taiwo and bought Darwin Nunez as their target man. Taiwo has had less appearances this season, less minutes, taken way less shots and still has the same amount of goals. When u add his discipline, intelligence and hard working mentality it is easy for me to say that Liverpool would be much better today if Taiwo were in the building.

The adaptability,skill and technicality required to alternate and switch positions in forward play at Liverpool FC.

NO disrespect, are very different from the skill sets required for Nottingham Forest.

In this regard as much as I like Awoniyi, he doesn't meet those requirements where Liverpool are concerned.

Joebie:
You once said a similar thing about Osimhen.

You are correct similar but not the SAME thing.

Remember that all things in football ⚽ are time limited.

And I qualified my statement with AT THAT TIME and that was 5/6 years ago.

Football ⚽ is not static it has progression and retrogression.

One question for you , has V.O. remained the same over the past 6/7 years ❓

Second question has Nwakali had commensurate progression in comparison with his U17 youth exploits 7/8 years ago ❓❓

At his peak Nwakali couldn't get into the Arsenal youth team. After 3 seasons on the Dutch second tier he found himself in Porto B and unable to claim a regular position. So why do you think he will walk straight into Everton U18 ❓

He has moved to the abyss of the bottom level of the poorly Segunda division and do you think he has improved.❓❓❓

I am being measured and objective not subjective.

BascoVanVeli:
Here u go with ur I have an insider talk

Let me expand your numerous assumptions.

I have never said I have an insider, check my past posts.

How do you know that I am not on the INSIDE and don't require an insider.

😂😅

TheSuperNerd:
This sounds very familiar indeed.




Komekn and his idiotic condescension strikes again.

October 20, 2017 meets May 21, 2023 🤝🏻🤝🏻

Why, Why WHY , do yo have to be so infantile.

Put the whole comments with date and stop intentionally misrepresenting matters by taking the text out of CONTEXT.

To what purpose to gain recognition or to feed your delusional super sized ego .

BascoVanVeli:
Are u Liverpool How on earth can u boldly say they didn't regret something. So because u say they didn't regret we should all go to the bank and cash checks? All we can do is examine from the outside and from the outside looking in, it is crack head behaviour to sell Taiwo for 6 million and buy Darwin for 100.

If I told you would not believe.

And then you would say I'm posturing and mentioning names to get credibility on a faceless forum.

Then some would say LIAR.

So what's the point ❓

You can disbelieve or believe it's your choice.

Joebie:
Everton will likely not escape relegation this time.

What is the difference between Iwobi and Nwakali in terms of influence in club THIS season?.

I said this about 7/8 games ago that Everton will not be relegated.

Looking at the bottom 6 Everton have the best players and the greater quality squad depth.

Nwakali will not get into the youth team even if they allowed him at 24 to play in the U18's.

Leicester are looking for a miracle can't see one coming they have to win last two games and expect other teams to loose.

Can't see them beating Newcastle United not in current form and with their current players.

Gbosah it's a goal 🥅

Leeds are literally relegated it's now 3-1 to West Ham.

Everton are almost totally safe

Kog45:
The different Iwobi 2 goals and 7 assists in top league EPL and Nwakili 1 goal and two assists in very lowly rated league SEGUNDA.The two are wide apart comparing the leagues.Yes nothing to talk on their influence cuz both failed to save their clubs from relegation.

Hmmm 🤔 not sure about that .

Everton have 33 points Leeds 31and are trailing 2-1 to West ham with less than a minute of full time left.

Everton are not RELEGATED and are almost safe depending what happens in next 7 minutes of extra time.

BascoVanVeli:
Stop the cap. They sold him for peanuts and went and spent a ransom on Darwin Nunez. How did that work out for them? Put Darwin on Nottingham they go to the Championship, put Taiwo on Liverpool top 4

For someone who comments on football you suprise me.

You are changing the variable by presumptive subjective preference led self birthed assumptions.

My comments were simplistic Liverpool did not at any time REGRET selling Awoniyi. They got him for next to nothing and sold him for £6.5 million great business.

For a player that was never going to play for Liverpool.

Darwin Nunez has nothing to do with it .

Joebie:
Everton will likely not escape relegation this time.

What is the difference between Iwobi and Nwakali in terms of influence in club THIS season?.

The GULF is immeasurable in every way possible, they cannot be compared in any way shape or form. It's that simple.

TheSuperNerd:
You and this same old robotic reply.

One lie you said? Let me show you two... all in bold.

Just two out of hundreds of others you have entertained us with. 🤝🏻😂😂

Context: Fred onyedinma - 20 games played. 6 starts. Came off the bench 14 times. Benched without sub-in SIX TIMES.

Not a benchwarmer he said.... 🤣🤣

A crucial player he spilled....😂😂



Fact is everytime you have "challenged" and asked to be proven wrong, those requests have been met with overwhelming evidence which you dodge every time. Lol.

You are so carried away with your self righteous conceited arrogant delusional opinion of yourself you think your opinion is a FACT.

You know very little but shout to the rooftops like you know it all.


There are no clear cut facts here, but a balance ⚖️ of variables.

When a player is UNAVAILABLE for 60% of the league games because of injury but plays 18 and is on the bench for less than 10% of those games that is not a benchwarmer.

And how in your little mind is thata LIE.

BascoVanVeli:
I didn't believe it but i also didn't have proof. Thank God u are alive and well.

BTW can we now agree Wolfsburg regret selling Osimhen

I don't think so football ⚽ doesn't work like that.

Unfortunately and fortunately there is a time to stay and a time to leave.

If Pogba had stayed at Man U we would not be talking about him now. Of Sancho had not left city he would have got lost in the academy. If Jude Billingham had stayed with Birmingham city he would no be the best and most sought after young Midfielder in World 🌎 Football today.

This is the nature of football.

In this regard if V.O. had stayed at Wolfsburg he may by now may have been lost football. Limited opportunity, no development and being pushed to one side.

jihday:
this season have been shitty for our players, aside the strikers virtually all others have struggled. Simon, all defenders aside Ebuehi, all midfielders aside Iwobi and Nwakali, we need better crop of defenders and midfielders

Nwakali under no circumstance should be on the same page talk less sentence as Iwobi.

Please BEECO

TheSuperNerd:
Exactly. We agree on this. Father of lies and half truths. Tbaba took a long sabbatical and has just returned yet there is no difference between you then and you now.

It's the same old lying komekn. 😂😂

The consistency of Ridiculousness.

I have challenged you to state one lie to date you have failed, maybe your ego can't cope .

Danielnino00:
Omo, it's true o... Its been an average season overall for most of our players.... I hope those who got relegated get signed by better teams... Especially Ndidi

In general when you and your team perform you generate lots of interest.

Can't see any EPL interested in KC and or Ndidi.

BascoVanVeli:
I go back to the point I have been making all along. Liverpool should have kept this young man

Why ❓

Amedino99:
na better striker una need. That Jesus na just lacazete without the beards. Very useless striker . No wonder oga joe fellow man city fan wey dey this thread that time dey always swear for am.

Considering the bold, he has been injured then returned and has played 24 games and scored 10.

It's not oustanding but considering injury ,etc then playing 24 games and has scored 10 is far from useless IMO .

It's on this forum people call KC best clinical marksman striker in Europe but he has scored 5 goals from 26 games.

tbaba1234:
It is me, I have logged in with my normal account. I had to reset the password.

Wow 😮 Oh my Goodness 😳 Amazing Wonder 🤩

I am speechless 😶 almost , we were given a very sad narrative that you had departed this world 🌎.

It's wonderful to know ☺️ it was not true.

I got the impression you were in Holland and always wondered which city .

It's great to have to back 🔙 your level 🎚️ headed 🗣️ and balanced ⚖️ approach to issues sorely missed.

Welcome back not sure what kept you away.

TheSuperNerd:
Thank you for stating all that truly matters from your pile of repetitive gobbledygooks.

But you forgot to also state one final thing. He is also a Bench warming Technician. 😁

Now you can rest.

I know objectivity and balance are attributes you don't have.

There are 46 games played in a Championship season.

Fred Onyedinma's was unavailable for 60% of games this season due to injury and he played 18 and you call that a bench warmer.

maidaboi:
for some one who called Iheanacho a bench warmer this is Rich

If you are fit and available and sitting on the bench what are you doing❓

Fred Onyedinma was UNAVAILABLE for 60% of the games in his club because of injury. And quite often your sit on the bench and get eased back into games not rushed in.

KC has been healthy, fit and largely available to play for 90% of the football season.

On the other hand 60% of the season Fred has been UNAVAILABLE due to injury.


What's your point ❓

Papi85:
Napoli and Ac Milan are in talks with nwakali’s agent

He also have offer from Monaco,leipzig fc Basel, sociedad, Villareal and Royal Antwerp 😎

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂😂😂😅😅😅😅😅