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Kobojunkie:
1. What is recorded in Peter's letter says nothing regarding the judgement expressed in John 5 vs 19 - 29, what the OP asked.

2. John 3 vs 16 - 21 speaks of the judgment that existed on all those He was sent to — the condemnation of sin which is death according to Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20 — before Jesus Christ came into the picture. And yes, that is what is restated in the first parts of John 5 vs 19 - 29. However, what you claim in bold does not seem to compute at all given that Jesus Christ was quite clear that eternity only belongs to those who believe in Him. But here you suggest that those who don't believe in Jesus Christ are judged eternally suggesting they also acquire eternal life even though they do not believe at all. Basically, what you have said is that If Mr. A does not believe in Jesus Christ today, Mr. A still gets eternal life by virtue of being condemned eternally. Consequently, if Mr.A were to change his mind regarding Jesus Christ at a later date — he decides he believes in Jesus — since he has been eternally condemned, there is no hope for him in Jesus Christ.
3. I get what you are attempting to assert but I am saying this assertions aren't really supported by even the scriptures you quote.

You clearly don't understand my points so far especially with your reply to my second point. So, I would rest here:
What I meant with my statement is that if a man believes, He is saved from eternal condemnation and has eternal life but if he refuses to believe, he is condemned already which means he doesn't have eternal life.
That salvation (freedom) from condemnation based on his belief or outright condemnation based on unbelief is a judgment on it's own.

Kobojunkie:
1. If you considered that verse in the context of John 5 vs 19 - 29, you will find that Jesus Christ wasn't in fact speaking of His own death but of that of those who belong in His flock since it is the sheep that will hear the voice of the Shepherd, not the Shepherd Himself.

2. Peter, in 1 Peter 1 vs 19 20, records that Jesus Christ preached to the spirits that had been imprisoned from the time of Noah, so it is faulty reasoning to conclude by that that Jesus Christ went to all those who were in hell at the time of His death. So, what other scriptures back this claim of yours that Jesus Christ went to see persons such as David in the grave when He died?

3. If Jesus Christ is, as you say, the Judge, and the Judge Himself declared that there will be no judgment until He returns to judge the goats and sheep in His Kingdom, how can there be any judgment prior to that to come? I mean who is it to sit as a judge immediately after a person dies?

I am explaining the verses in context and not even talking about the forms or types of judgement.
1. I believe the verses were not referring to flocks with Jesus as the Shepherd. I am just explaining the verses mentioned in context:
The "dead" in the bible does not just mean physical seperation from the body as we know it but sometimes refers to the fallen state of man as God said to Adam concerning the forbidden fruit - eat and die but they didn't die physically.
So looking at the verses in context, the dead refers to the state of unbelief which is the fallen state of man but the moment anyone believes the word, He/she is given the life of Christ which was clear in verses 24 and 26.
Verse 25 had Jesus talking about that present time as concerning the dead (physically alive but without belief in Him as the Son of God) hearing and coming alive. Just to butress this point-
Ephesians 2:1- And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
Ephesians 5:14- Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.
Verse 28 had Jesus talking about a time to come (which I believe happened at His death, burial and resurrection) where those who had died in the fallen state would have the opportunity to hear His voice same way those physically present did as at verse 25. This was the one I gave 1 Peter 3:19 to support as you asked in your second point.
2. I already gave my supporting verse (John 5:28) in the first point above but I would suggest reading from the verse 18 of 1 Peter 3.
3. There is a judgment that exists already if you look closely at the verses in context evening going back as far as John 3:13-19.
Jesus Christ is not just the expression of God's love but He is also the judgement of God as far as faith is concerned.
John 3:18- He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
John 5:24- Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
The moment a man refuses to believe in Jesus while He hears the word, He is condemened already which means He is already judged as far as eternity is concerned. This is a totally different conversation from that of judgments that would happen after rapture or when one dies physically.
Your faith or lack of it while you're physically alive is a judgment on its own.
I hope you get my point as regarding judgement now as I am not even talking about judgements of after physical death or when Jesus comes again even though your faith or lack of it while alive is the basis for those judgments that are to come.
May the Lord grant us understanding of His word even by His Spirit in Jesus name .

Kobojunkie:
That passage in the Op has absolutely nothing to do with this which you attempt to describe here.

That is my understanding of the quoted verses.
Before the death, burial and resurrection of Christ, there was no criteria for eternal judgement cos God's yardstick for judgement is Christ (John 5:22). So at the point of His death on the cross, He appeared to those in the grave at that time (hell- more like a reception for all that had died as at that time waiting for the time Jesus would be manifest as David described, "Thou shall not leave my soul in hades" in the book of Psalms. It was at that point in time that the saints were resurrected to life and the evil ones condemned.
To his question, after the victory of Christ on the cross, once a man dies, he can now be judged cos the yardstick for eternal judgement is now available which John described in John 3:18:
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

I rest my case...
May the Lord grant us understanding of His word by His Spirit...

stevo123:
I was reading my Bible and I come across this bible verse. I ask so many pastor to explain this verse but all are just saying something else, cause the bible verse was very specific. I guess because it doesn't align with there believe.... But the bible can't be lying na...

John: 5 vs 26-29.

26,For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;

27,And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.

28,Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

29,And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.


If this verse is saying the dead will raise again to face judgement. Then why are they preaching that once a man dies he is going to face judgement. Those that mean there is going to be two judgement?...

This is my explanation to the verse:
In this verse, Jesus was speaking about what would happen at His death in the cross. This was explained by Peter in 1 Peter 3:18-22 with the emphasis in verse 19-20:
"by which also He went and preached unto the spirits in prison; which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water."
And also further stated in Matthew 27:52-53:
"Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, and came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many."
At the point of His death, Jesus was in hell and everyone (saints and otherwise) heard His voice and the saints were resurrected to life and those that did evil unto damnation.

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GLYCOLYSISS:
--- A woman's truth is whatever she needs it to be.
If the abstract truth does not serve her psyche,a dissociative one will be manufactured in its place

Very apt
Thursday (saw her with some cash)
Me: you've money o
Her: It's not mine. It belongs to my friend
Friday
Me: nothing
Her: The money belongs to me. It was given to me by someone owning me.
Me: But you said it belongs to your friend
Her: If it were to be for her, would i be spending it? (She has been spending the money)
Me: Why the lie then?
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