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hensben:
because he can do what modric is known for(CM) perfectly well when instructed by his coach.

Until he keeps doing what Modric is known for week-in week-out and continually every season and has established himself as a CM and not a box-to-box midfielder, both players should not be compared.Modric should be compared to his fellow CM's, while Yaya toure should be compared to his fellow "utility players".

hensben:
check wikipedia, chelsea formation and what mou demand from hazard(i.e, tracking back/supporting the midfield)..there is big difference between LMF and LWF #CHECK.

Wikipedia wouldn't be so stupid to say Hazard is a Winger /AM, would they? Look I don't want to get involved in this Hazard-Neymar debate(although I think one is better, but prefer the other), just setting things straight.Giving excuses about Hazard playing LMF and not having excellent stats is what I won't take.He just doesn't have it.Ronaldo also played as an LMF under Mou in a 4-2-3-1 and was usually scolded by Mou if he didn't track back but he still had good stats.Hazard is a good player but he needs to improve to be remembered among the greats and not just some J.cole or Nani.Even hazard has stated that he would like to score 25+ next season and maybe 50+ someday.He knows that he needs to improve and it is not about the position he is playing.

hensben:
no! you no nothing about football, modric is central midfielder, yaya is a utility player, he can play all the position you mentioned very well that's what make him a superior player than modric.

If Modric is simply a CM like you said, and Yaya is a "utility player"(whatever that means), wouldn't it be logical if you compared Yaya toure to other "utility players" and Modric to other CM's.

hensben:
why can't i compare him with modric? they are both midfieder. when you guys compare hazard to neymar knowing fully well hazard is a left midfielder while neymar is left wing forward...#hypocrites.

Oga, Hazard is a Winger/AM(whether LM or RM), Neymar is a Winger/forward.
Keyword: Winger.Hence the comparison.

hensben:
shut up my friend! utility player means he can play every area in midfield and defence..it's a word use for player that can play different position very well. chelsea fan? who know you as madrid fan.

SMH.They are called box-to-box midfielders not 'utility players'.Try checking that one out and you can thank me later.

hensben:
no! you no nothing about football, modric is central midfielder, yaya is a utility player, he can play all the position you mentioned very well that's what make him a superior player than modric.

Now I am starting to believe the 'theory' about Chelsea fans.I asked a simply question that required a simply answer and you are running in circles.I never knew there is a position called 'utility player' in football.Your statement is very embarrassing and I advice you to modify.It's just like saying Wingers are more superior to CF's because they are versatile and help the defense.Try comparing like for like next time.

hensben:
you are high on cheap weed if you are undermining yaya's talent. yaya is a utility player, he can do all what you mentioned very well, it now depend on how the coach prefer to use him.

Nobody is undermining yaya toure's talents.He is one of the best box to box midfielders(if not the best).But comparing him to a CM is stupid and flawed.You should be comparing him to players like Pogba, Vidal etc who are also box to box midfielders.

hensben:
why wouldn't i compare yaya to modric, is he better than him or is it because yaya is africa or because modric plays for madrid? or is it number of trophies? yaya toure can do everything on the pitch, i.e, score, assist, free kick defend(he played central defence for barca then and they won treble) and clever passes. to me yaya toure is better than modric. bale can't outshine aguero since you said they don't play same position. you my friend no nothing about football if you are undermining yaya's talent.

I think you are the one that knows nothing about football if you cannot differentiate a box to box midfielder, a central midfielder, an attacking midfielder, and a defensive midfielder.I would like for you to tell me which category Modric falls into and which Yaya belongs to.

hensben:
why wouldn't i compare yaya to modric, is he better than him or is it because yaya is africa or because modric plays for madrid? or is it number of trophies? yaya toure can do everything on the pitch, i.e, score, assist, free kick defend(he played central defence for barca then and they won treble) and clever passes. to me yaya toure is better than modric. bale can't outshine aguero since you said they don't play same position. you my friend no nothing about football if you are undermining yaya's talent.

This comparism is flawed because Modric is a CM who occasionally plays as an AM while Yaya is a box to box midfielder now.If you are comparing the Barcelona Yaya to the current Madrid Modric then you need to be checked for proper psychoanalysis and how your mind works because Modric beats him hands down.Maybe you need to watch Modric week in week out to understand this see his jaw dropping passes, amazing technique, superb control.I think modric is underrated.

holyboss:
can someone please welcome "the Newest Introvert in the house" **coverFace

Welcome bro.

liveLongNprospa:
krasid u r one of us...lol..

Yep.

Greatihex:
do you mean in the champions league or dia leagues.

The person you quoted was talking about the UCL.

joxxy01:
He did well...he just need to upgrade his coaching skill, its now so glaring that individual brilliance wins games for Nigeria Teams not coaching Tactics. We need this Coaches to be trained Abroad.

While they are being trained abroad, I think we should hire a foreign coach for now.

hensben:
Now neymar is with the physical copa america players he couldn't withstand pressure, this is what hazard faces in every match in epl. ...talk about small boy been fed by suarez and messi and his fan think he is better than hazard.

Seriously?? Thats a weak point because Neymar led Santos to a copa libertadores win(A south american competition) and was the best player there.

Greatihex:
point of correction. Hazard was the most successful dribbler in europe last season.

No.He was 2nd behind Messi.

jimmy4x:
Wetin concern me una team, if una like Boo Perez himself, dts ur headache....U keep shouting ur team win trophies like pure water, with Ronaldo's goal scoring record, since he joined, 2009 to 2015, Six fxcccking years, 1 la Liga and 1 UCL....smh
what are u celebrating sef.
I'm sure u can now agree Bale didn't worth €100m , abi u still wan argue am aGain.

I think you need to understand the difference between an opinion and a fact.Until Bale is sold by Madrid for not living up to expectation or plays at least 5 season, you cannot conclude that he is overpriced.So far he has 1 good and 1 bad season.Thats not so bad don't you think? Those rubbish you posted there are just opinions afterall Benitez once said Torres is better than CR7.I agree that Madrid has not lived up to its legendary status but they happen to be competing against one of the best club teams ever.It's not as if we are competing against Arsenal or Manchester city.

raumdeuter:
Whats special about Italian league or English league defence? Why is this strong defence not making them win the CL or Europa League

Is it not Italian league that Ciro Immobile was Highest goal scorer yet flopped at DOrtmund, Or Lamela, Or Cavani or Pastore, or Cerci or Iturbe?

How many goals was Morata scoring in Spain before going to Italy? Or Higuain or how did players who left Italy for La Ligas "soft" defence fare like Kaka or Zlatan or Sanchez

Players Like AGuero Michu, Silva, Toure Sanchez Fabregas were just average in La Liga until they got to the weak EPL

How many times did AGuero score 20+ goals in La Liga yet he topped EPL chart even with injuries

That reminds me.A 38 year old Luca toni was the joint top scorer of the Italian league this season playing for Hellas verona fc.He scored 22 goals.Somebody is now telling me Messi and CR who are the best players in the world and are at their peak won't score 40 there.Poverty league.

jimmy4x:
Leave am make e dey flex muscle, dey display hin ignorance here, which team suppose dey win trophies year in, year out if no be Madrid considering their huge nd outrageous spendings, both on signing players and wages...!
C.Ronaldo has been their for good 6 years, he has only 1 Laliga, maybe 1 or 2 UCL, y dem never boo am comot, are u being reasonable at all??

We do not boo players so that they would leave the club, we boo them so that they will improve their performance.Ronaldo was booed in his 3rd season when we lost to Barcelona at the Bernebeu, he was also criticised for not showing up in clasico games and since then has scored in almost all clasicos.We even booed at Casillas that has played in Madrid for more than a decade this season.Booing Bale is no big deal.

jimmy4x:
Isco shud be ur best dribbler right now, why dem no boo am abi ow many assists nd goals hin don score since he joined.
I meant sidelined thru injury.

Isco is not a starter in the Madrid XI(up till now).If not for his Spanish connection, he would have been sold during his 1st season because he had a poor run.Ancelloti used 4-3-3 in his 2 seasons at Madrid.We used Alonso-Modric-Di maria as the mid 3 in the first season with B-B-C upfront and this past season Kroos-Modric-James.We switched to 4-4-2 to accomodate Isco if any of the starters got injured, luckily for him Modric and James got a spell of injuries this season.Like I said b4, We are Real madrid and we do not celebrate mediocrity.

Feemmy:
I'm not saying these guys aren't good but La Liga made them better... In 2007 Ronaldo finished behind Kaka in the ballon d'or he had 17 goals in the League, In 2008 when he won ballon d'or he had 31 goals the following season before going to Spanish league he had 18 goals from 33 games but in La Liga in his first season he had 26 goals from 29 games. In his second season he had 40 goals the following season he had 46 goals.
Conclusion:
Ronaldo in premier league: 6 seasons 196 games 84 goals
In La Liga: 6 seasons 200 games 225 goals
these guys are good A certain league can make you good and when you got to another you became better.
And a league can make you better and when you got to another you became good.

You forget that players peak between 25 and 29.In his last 2 seasons in United he scored 8, and 4 goals in the UCL.In Madrid he scored 8,7,10,12,17,10 respectively.He simply peaked and developed at Madrid and it has nothing to do with the league.

jimmy4x:
So, after winning the Ucl, how did he fair in d just concluded season, how many Liga games did he play, didn't Madrid fans criticise nd boo him, tell me how many weeks he got sidelined on the bench.

Oga Bale is and was never a bench player.Btw, we have a different mentality in Madrid.We do not glorify rubbish like take-ons and chances created.You mess up, we boo you.You don't win trophies for us, you bounce.No player or coach is exempted.R9, CR7, Zidane have been booed in the past.If Hazard was playing in Madrid and his mates are racking up goals and assists while he is busy performing take ons, he will be BOOED.

jimmy4x:
So, after winning the Ucl, how did he fair in d just concluded season, how many Liga games did he play, didn't Madrid fans criticise nd boo him, tell me how many weeks he got sidelined on the bench.

I am disappointed with the way you think.The questions was "Was Bale worth 100m when we bought him in 2013" and the answer is a big YES.Let's look at things this way, you say Hazard is currently worth over 100m now, If Madrid should end up signing him this season and he wins the UCL with us and in the next season he performs badly.Would you say he was not worth the price when he was bought? You don't just judge players after 1 good or bad season.Until Bale leaves Madrid without achieving much success, you cannot say he is not worth that amount.He has been in Madrid for just 2 seasons, has won the UCL and people are calling him overpriced.That's why I laugh when people say Hazard is the next best thing after Messi and CR after 1 good season.Where was hazard last year?

Vampire diaries.I don't think they have any interesting storyline anymore.

Anyi3:
Smallville (This was long ago though. It always made sure the last episode was a cliff hanger to ensure you come for next season. By the first two episodes of next season, the issues are resolved and the remaining episodes just irk. Finally axed the thing.)

Once upon a time (Couldn't even finish season 1)

I almost stopped watching once upon a time after the first few episodes of season 1, I forced myself to watch it and it got really interesting in Season 2 and 3.

Feemmy:
Giorgio Chiellini said "There’s better football in La Liga but worse defending." I think I would want to agree wit him, La Liga defenders are very lazy that's y u can barge goals any how. How on earth would someone scored 48 goals and another getting 43 goals in a single season, this simply means they scored against all teams in the league it won't happen in premier League.
And to even support his claim a player would pick the ball up in the mid-field, go past four, five defenders without loosing balance, take a shot and still score that's suicide defending which is not allowed in premier League.........

Apart from Messi and CR7, no player past or present, living or dead has ever scored up to 40 in the history.You say how on earth could someone score 48 and 43 goals there, but do you know who those "someone" are? (We are talking about possibly the 2 greatest ever).They have also scored 17 and 14 in the UCL b4.Maybe the defending in UCL is also worse.

jimmy4x:
This is 2015 bro, we keep telling u pple Hazard has improved big time, even tho he scores only 2 goals from open play in 30 years, do ur research well, he's costlier than every footballer but Messi ONLY....dt was why he's valued over €120m right now.
Bale's value has dropped, no one can buy him over €100m now until he picks form again, influential to his team's success nd stops getting injured every now and then.
These few points and many more are why Hazard shiits on him.
Hazard is worth his value now, this is not 2013 September when Bale was signed @ only 22/23 years old.
He wasnt worth €100m

Now I know you are just being a hypocrite who is just going back and forth with his statement.You said, "Bale was not worth a 100m when madrid bought him", but Hazard is worth over a 120m now.You said I should check players worth, but do you understand how it is calculated.Bale was the best EPL player at the time and Justified his price by winning a 10th UCL in Madrid.

jimmy4x:
Na still d same tin we dey talk, he was hot then, top teams dt are financially buoyant wanted him, d competition was stiff nd Spurs never wanted to lose him, so dt made d transfer fee skyrocketed, it's just like an auction where the highest bidder wins
Bale shouldn't cost more than €70m to €80m when Madrid got him for €100m
That's tooooo much money.
Hazard was gotten for £32m or thereabouts in 2012
Bale was gotten for €100m in 2013.....see the difference in price na nd their impact for their new teams.
Hazard still remains the best buy, he was underpriced.
He's toooo good for such price.
Check ow much dem pay for Neymar, Suarez, Bale.
Compare that to how much Hazard was gotten.

One question.If Madrid should come bidding for hazard this summer, how much do you think would be appropriate to buy him based on his performance this past season?

ollah1:
When the season starts, don't watch ur match rather watch barcas. Ensure you buy the barca's Jersey too and if you in Spain u shld also buy barca's tickets. Aite

You mean the jersey below.No thanks.

ollah1:
This talk has been discussed already. Check our the earlier images, it says lots. We aren't into the bragging thing. Records speak for itself. Btw, we are always more than a club

Edited. I see u krasid, u spend more time here than ur thread. Are u envious of us or something?

Complete this statement; Keep your friends close and your enemies...

TheGoodJoe:
Siasia and Keshi should please secure Derik Osede by inviting him. It is important we secure him before Spain.

True.

jimmy4x:
That's why we keep telling you to watchout for Hazard come next season....e go shock all of una....

I remember some clowns predicting he will be a ballon d'or winner by the beginning of next year.That's how they will be screaming "watch out!" till he turns 30 and is irrelevant.

jimmy4x:
Lmao....eliminated dribbles indeed or he just doesn't know ow to dribble again, who doesn't know this, why hasn't Robben and Messi eliminated dribbles from their game play too, even small boi Isco is a better dribbler than Ronaldo now.
Marcelo plays the winger role better than Ronaldo.....his only usefulness in that Madrid team is to score goals nd gets angry if he can't increase his goal tally.
Messi has withdrawn to accommodate Neymar nd Suarez, why can't Ronaldo do same for Benzema, Bale??

See this one oo.Ronaldo had double the amount of assists(22) than your chance creator Hazard(11) and just 2 league assist less than your top assister Fabregas.Don't try to bring him to Hazard's level bro.He passed that level in 2004.We should be arguing how James rodriguez is better than Hazard.