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You are really very funny. Who ammended the constitution in order to create the South South geo-political zone? And who wrote the constitution you talk about?

I actually do not have time for this your back and forth. All you can do is WATCH, and watch some more. You have zero stakes to tell IPOB or Igbos how to conduct their political affairs. You can only watch and mock and then watch some more. That's all.

And I would also warn you to mind this your drum of war. It's getting too loud and noisy. You guys have not defeated BH in 9 years despite their illegitimacy and amorality - even though it was your creation.

So be careful what you wish for.

#Peace

fulanimafia:
1. The Constitution has always been amendable so I wonder where you got that idea of forbidden clauses from.

Awesome!

I thank God more 'cos the cause is now recognized and accepted as "JUST"

Major progressive progress.

igwebuike01:
Thank God you are Ibo, not Igbo

Is that all the mockery the failing Sahara Reporters Blackmailers could muster?

Egbon Sowere, you can do much better than this.

Up your mockery, please.

I am not here to do back and forth with you bro.

Our constitution DID NOT and DOES NOT forbid referendum in any of its parts.

So just continue with your baseless watching and mocking of the Biafra movement.

It's your calling.

SuperS1Panther:
Referendum was possible for Quebec and Catalonia because the Canadian and Spanish Constitutions recognise it. Does the Nigerian COnstitution has Referendum?

Despite being signatories to UN Declaration of Self Determination, why has referendum not taken place in India, China, Western Sahara, Russia, Sri Lanka etc?

1. You agree that the constitution did NOT expressely forbid referendum. Good.

2. If you think that the senators and governors are the power brokers in the east let them try to persuade people to shut down their various businesses for a whole day and let's see the rate of compliance.

3. The fact that IPOB has bigger influence on the MAJORITY of the people means that they are the ACTUAL representative of the people.

4. Democracy is government of the people, by the people and for the people - NOT the FEW elites.

5. By the time that bunch of few elites/politicians gets it, (the fact that IPOB has become the actual power broker) they won't need to be told to align.

6. Failing to align, then both regional and federal elections will get boycotted the way businesses were shut down today. And the FG will either have to declare a region-wide state of emergency or conduct a referendum.

7. In either of the two cases in point 6, plus potential escalations by possible counters, the UN and other foreign bodies will have legitimacy to intervene based on binding treaties on Nigeria.

Finally, if the active soldier and millitary dictator - IBB - could be socially forced to hastely and freely hand-over the power that was never freely given to him by anyone, then that should tell you how forcible an organized social force can get - even under a fullblown and legitimate dictatorship - how much more in a democratic system which you now claim to have.

#Peace

fulanimafia:
1. What do you mean by 'organized'? By whom? Do you realize it is YOUR representatives that will kick-start the process? Or were you expecting an Abdulmumuni from Kano representing his own people to do it?

2. The constitution is the supreme reference in the affairs of Nigeria so you have no choice than to abide by it or have it amended. How do you intend to convince the required 2/3 to vote in favour of your referendum amendment when you're busy insulting, blackmailing, threatening and spewing hatred at them daily through your agitation?

Awaiting your civil response.

Ignoramus,

Quebec 1980 referendum was won by the "NO" camp by nearly 60%. Yet, even at that, the old Trudeau told the English Canadians that the "No" victory should never be interpreted as an endorsement for the status quo. He thus campaigned for greater inclusiveness for the Quebec region (unlike the 5%er) and won the heart of most in the Quebec region.

Regarding Catalonia, here's an excerpt.

The "Citizen Participation Process on the Political Future of Catalonia"[1] was a non-binding vote on the political future of Catalonia that was held by the Government of Catalonia on 9 November 2014. While also referred to as "Catalan independence referendum",[2][3][4][5] the vote was rebranded as a "participation process" by the Government of Catalonia, after a "non-referendum popular consultation" on the same topic and for the same date had been suspended by the Constitutional Court of Spain.[6]

But in continuation of the "Citizen Participation Process" the next Catalonia Referendum will be held in September this year. And you can bet that when the result reaches a 100% YES-YES, the Spanish government will not be able to reman indifferent.

Regarding Biafra, just keep watcing and mocking while the project gets made.

#Peace.

SuperS1Panther:
You are the one that needs lecturing.

How will you secede without going to war or without committing a treasonable felon against the sovereignty of the constitution that does not recognise referendum or ?

Where has Quebec referendum led them in Canada and where has Basque and Catalonia referendum led them in Spain -- because their constitution does not recognise secession. Read and learn iPod illiterate.

Unfortunately you guys have deluded yourselves into thinking that IPOB is led and rallied by ignorant people.

But, on the contrary, IPOB is actually teaching you lots the basics of democracy. But I'm sure that the meaning of democracy has not dawned on any of you yet.

Just keep on watching as the lecture unfolds.

fulanimafia:
Can you see how NOT ONE of them can provide an answer to how they can secede either peacefully or militarily? The thread is suddenly quiet.

They think its by screaming "referendum" up and down NL when they haven't they faintest idea on how to make it happen

I am also aware that there is NO place in the constitution where it says that referendum SHOULD NEVER be organized.

Plus, I am also aware that the constitution was not written by God, but by a bunch of soldiers and their FEW yes-men who did not represent the people.

fulanimafia:
Are you aware there is no provision for a referendum in the constitution?

How do you then expect the FG to 'organize' the referendum?

Do you really take that guy's dumb rant serious? To be honest, that guy's collection of mental gebberish shows he has no clue what democracy is.

The FG had better realized that this is 21st century. They should organize a referendum ASAP, else what you are seeing today would be a Child's play in 2019 and beyond.

Folks like you who don't have grasp on the concept of freedom will definitely keep underating, spiting and restraining a human group's crave for collective liberty untill the tide totally overwhelmes you.

Mynd44:
Perfect example of how humans are selective of what we listen to.

Dude you are so disgusting. If you don't want Biafra, say so coherently and with valid points. Stop this mod slinging and deaminig of contemporary and historic athority figures of Igbo extraction. It makes you appear deranged and roguish. I don't know how old you are, but the greatest anguish of your future children would be to grow up in a Nigeria of today.

I admonish you to go and read the following thread. (Hint: the OP is not even an igbo person. But I hope his empthy touches you and shows you how much of a fool your rants on this thread and elswhere makes you look like).

Here's an excerpt from the thread:

#Extract
'We smote their parents, their grandparents without let up. We pursued them home and continued the slaughter. We killed at least a million children before they even had a chance to grow. We commited the worst of iniquities against the young - we seized the bread in their mouths, and watched them starve to death.

There should be one day at least when we are reminded of our beastliness. There should be one day for the walking wounded from the carnage that was "Biafra" to turn their backs on all monuments of camaraderie with the rest of us, go indoors and mourn for that child that had to close his eyes and bite into a meal of a roasted lizard as his pulverised brain closed in on itself from starvation of water and sodium.

If we cannot mourn for the men and women of Igbo land because of the selection of memories we would rather incline to, at least mourn for the children who never had a say about killing a Sardauna or going to war'

Here's the link to the full text:

https://www.nairaland.com/3828242/biafran-day-gains-momentum-nigerian#56995807

Help yourself.

It may also intetrest you to know that what you are spwewing arrogantly now may turn out to be a huge nemesis to you and your children tomorrow.

That's exactly what happend to Le Pen of France.

She lost the recent French presidential election largely due to his Father's rhetorics including his insensitive comments about the Holocaust.

Be guided.

You may think you don't care now, but..... help yoursef please - especially if truly you are an igbo person.

Be sensible and show empathy at a time like this.

This is not it => https://www.nairaland.com/3828231/ogwughi-na-biafra-it-doesnt

shachris02:
Ndi igbo mepee nu anya (open your eyes). This is not the Biafra you seek. Ojukwu used Biafra to fight his personal war with Gowan. Now this con man albino, Nnamdi Kanu is using the same Biafra to amass power. Judaism is the fastest growing religion in the east. My people are now bowing down to greet a mortal. Kedu ihe mmere anyi? what happened to the great igbo tribe that I used to Know?

Biafra is in deeds. Helping your fellow igboman, my friend, is indeed the Biafra you seek.

I actually do not believe that report. It's scanty and fishy. And that clergy had been a very vocal pro-Biafran person.

abouzaid:
so the south east governors and politicians have now enlisted the help of the clergy to sabotage the Biafran struggle. the same clergy that pushed goodluck Jonathan into shame. the Anglican archbishop have the constitutional right to say and do as he said that's if this news isn't false propaganda.

May God bless you and whoever wrote that original post. I had always known that there are decent people everywhere - especially in the Yoruba nation.

Just ignore that rabble rouser and his ilks.

But note this, except the entire nature is a void that does not exist (which I'm darn sure it's not) , Kama will irrefutably teach every single one of those rabble rousers a hard and an escruciatingly painful lesson, which none will ever be able to forget in their entire linage. And that's if they are lucky enough not to have their respective linages totally cut off from the rest of humanity.

You reap what you sow.

skydancer:
Try to see beyond politics. People are dying.

Below is the opening paragraph of your hypocritical thread over there:

What the f*ck is wrong with Nigerians? IPOB supporters specifically.
The level of hate on this forum is reaching unbelievable levels fast. Is there a different breed of Igbos on this forum? I'm asking this because my best friends are Igbos but they've never spewed hate about any tribe and they don't blame others for their failures.
I am still trying to figure out specifically what serious crime the Yorubas committed against the Igbos that warrants so much hate.

So I will continue to mention the yoruba bigots to you. They are your brothers. They are the REASON for the so called yoruba-hatered, which you rant about. Or what were you thinking when you created that thread? As a true yoruba defender, it's your job to call that m.oron to order.

clevadani:
Bros, what do you mean by your brother? I don't think we're related.
This is the problem I have with you guys. So because he commented on my thread, it automatically means we share the same views on issues.
If you have an issue with a thread he created, take it up with him. Stop mentioning me, unless you want to share a joke with me or an important information. I haven't even read the thread and I have no idea what he's talking about. And I don't have any time to do that.
Stop reporting bigots to me like I'm some kind of prefect.

@clevadani I hope you are seeing this thread? This slowpoke of an OP will not open a thread about the detained Monarch and his subjects from Ondo, all of whom have been languishing in DSS detention camps for months now. Yet he is here pissing all over Nairaland with senseless threads and comments. By the time he starts getting paid back in kind now, you will start shouting that "this is becoming ridiculous!". Yet, you won't call your deranged brother to order now.

Of course as a retard who cannot be coherent, you have nothing else but insults. Kudos.

ElsonMorali:

When the vast majority of the elites in the old Eastern Region endorsed and opted for Biafra in 1967, how did Nigeria respond?

Young man, save your unsolicited advice for family meeting or shove it down the throwth of your region. We don't need in the East.

Or at least be honorable enough to wait for our solicitation for your wise counsel.

ElsonMorali:
You yourself know that this is the truth. Whenever a post is open celebrating some aspect of Yoruba culture, you'd see your folks all over the thread.

Same thing If your folks post about your cities, they must compared and contrast it with that of the Yorubas.

Does the phrase "brown roof" ring a bell with you?

The last statement you're talking about may actually be a blessing in disguise. A hidden truth.

Your actualization of Biafra will never come to pass until your elites participate actively. So you see, not everyone hates you guys.

Now cam you tell me what "umunne" is, Mr Jewness?

aribisala0:
Shameless. Jewishness is inherited through mothers which is in direct contradiction to the concept of umunna. You do not inherit Jewishness through your father bur rather your mother

But you are yet to say who you think I am.

Mindfulness:
And that is why you opened a new account to follow me around?

We do not want war.

All pro Biafran groups - including IPOB - also made it clear that they do not want war.

What then do we want? What's the intent of the endless agitations?

Glad you asked.

What we want is full scale referendum. Let people decide whether they want to be Nigerians, Biafrans or something else. And we want government to respect the result of such referendum and set up a framework to discuss modalities for peaceful exit if it happenes to be the wish of the people.

We do not expect any sane person to be talking about war in 2017 as a means to dealing with the drive for self-determination. That's not just sensible regardless of how you look at it.

If you guys would lend your voice to the call for referendum (rather than levying for war and genocide against the igbos) I can dare to assure you that no igbo person would direct hatred towards your tribe.

On the constrary, FFK today, in spite of his past anti-igbo sentiments, is a living testament to the forgiving spirit and friendliness of the average igbo person.

* BTW, glad to hear that you are still friendly to your "former igbo best friend"

ashjay001:
I have put my job n life on d line for him, n he has done same for me. He's still a friend, just not as close.

U are d ones beating d war drums! U've waited 50yrs, why not still wait n continue ur agitations on a non-violent level!? This present govt will rather see Naija destroyed than give into Biafra!? Chill n soon enough, someone amenable to biafra will come along.

Catalans are still waiting, Basques have been at it for centuries, California just lost. Scotland has put it to vote in d not too distant past.

But, as africans, u want to go d way of sudan! Or Ireland?

The op tried giving a solution. What solution do u want?!

The reality is, this present govt will not agree to any biafran republic! And, short of going to war with them, what do u plan on doing?!

If you are not a mischief maker, you would have known that your personal perception of reality is not, has never been and will never be the reality for about 180 million other Nigerians.

So imposing your idea and will on other people under any guise (regadless of how myopic or gradeur) is the textbook definition of witchraft.

In case no one has ever told you, you are grossly diabolical.

Can you imgagine that your former igbo best friend bringing a gang fight to your door step, and practically seeking to harm or kill you in order to FORCE you to remain friends with him?

Does that even make any sense to you?

Now that's how diabolical you are when your motive for going to war is to prevent Biafrans from being independent.

ashjay001:
I dont need to hate to live my life! I'm just a realist.

Honestly, I wish they'll allow u lot to get out! Who una help? We were all doing great without any epp from any other tribe. Infact, my tribe was moving along spectacularly!

Oil destroyed d groundnut pyramids n our cocoa farms. Without oil, we would have been forced to diversify our economy.

Being a realist, presently, I see only war. And until an amenable govt comes into power, war is d only option if u'll insist on getting out.

I will have to fight for my kids, their country. I dont have to hate to do my duty to my country n my unborn generations.

Infact, my dream was to marry from d SE, though I ended up with a SS!

Someone came here and tried proferring a solution. Instead of trying to educate him on why his way wont cut it, everyone of u on here are screaming hatred! Hatred of what!?!

Do u think we dont want our own country too? Which of our states has ever complained of d FG allocation being too small?! Inspite of d billions allocated to most of ur region, u're all still far behind! A lot of ur leaders are regressing! Whats to envy in ur lands? I cant claim to be looking for a job n travel to d SE!?

Seriously, what do u have that will make me hate u??!

Seriously, if the olympic ever gets organized on stupidity, "Mindlessness" would be winning the Gold Medal each time.

Missy89:
There is no award for stup1dity.

Stop competing!

At least you admit for upteen time that it's you and your ilks who threaten Igbos with war and genocide.

But what's the crime of Igbos? Drive for self-determination.

Not only did you shamelessly claim that war is the only solution, you have actually made up your mind to enlist and have already started disconnecting from your igbo contacts.

So why exactly do you still accuse Igbos of hate while actively working both in secret and in open to anihilate them? Why jump up and down in threads as this when all you want is to see igbos wiped out for daring to tow their own path?

Why don't you man up for once and admit that igbophobia and hate runs in your genes.

ashjay001:
Without knowing me, ur intellectual self is harping all over?!

My former friend was someone like u, always about biafra. I've tried reasoning, he refused. So, I threw him a hypothetical question.

Our current crop of leaders will not allow biafra without a fight. Or, ur intellect has not evolved to that point? Why do u think d army n police have been all over ur tribelands?

The last attempt at emancipation ended up in war, whats stopping this present agitation ending up in another war?! If none of u can see that, then u're all on a long thing.

And its one of d reasons why I believe most of u are nincompoops! So myopic, u cant see beyond ur noses!

Short of total boycott of d Nigerian entity, or patience till an amenable govt comes into power, d only way out is war!

Why should Igbos' concern or dreams be your problem? Don't you have any shame at all?

Do you think that the Igbos are a kind of your 3-year old kid brother or something? Please shove your unsolicited advice down the throats of your ilks.

What really is your problem?

Which Igbo person has ever solicited for your PUBLIC ADVICE on Biafran struggles?

Can you guys not just be sensible enough to mind your many yoruba businesses for once?

Why the heck is it too hard for you to steer clear off of Biafra discussions and quit creating senseless Igbo basshing threads like this one?

If you cannot stop doing those, why can't you then man up and take full responsibility for any reaction that's triggered by your silly provocations and dumb meddlings into igbo affairs?

clevadani:
Are you more concerned with the Yorubas unhappiness with your progress or how to get your own country?

You see, you cannot have a sane discussion when you are intellectually dishonest.

1. That guy told YOU how he threatened his "best friend" with hypothetical war. But you saw nothing wrong in it. To you it was okay to ask your best friend what to do in a war front where both of you are mutual enemies. You assumed the question is cool as long as the other person is igbo.

2. The guy proceeded to threaten @kenny987 with his silly "Since u're a lady, we might never have to meet on d war front, but should we, let d best 'man' win!" Yet, you did not call him out for his war-mongering against igbos.

3. You disgustingly propose that the VP could not have addressed the issue of Biafra without issuing a veiled war threat. Fact is, you are not fit to open this thread because folks like you are the hypocritial hateful gasoline that fuels the so called reactionary hate that emanates from some IPOB members.

clevadani:
What do you mean by fraternizing with a guy who is threatening Igbos? How do you expect me to know every single tribal bigot on this forum? I don't frequent politics section of nl unlike before. So it will be impossible for me to know the good guys. He hasn't posted such on this thread so I wouldn't know that he has such tendencies.
What do you expect the Ag President to say? That you can have Biafra? That will be childish optimism if you expect him to do that.

You are a big hypocrite, man. Just own up to it.

You are here fratanizing with a guy who has threatened his igbo best friend with war, yet you hypocriticaly feign ignorant of why some igbos returm hate for hate.

He is now publicly levying war on Igbos for nothing besides their choice to uphold their fundamental human right to self-determination. This war threat was exactly the same line that was espoused publicly by the VP (a yoruba man) a few days ago.

Do you want to tell me that you do not see anything wrong with the constant genocidal threats to the Igbos coming from your people on this Forum and elsewhere?

Now I dare you to show me JUST ONE proof that an Igbo person has ever threatened the Yoruba nation with war or genocide on this forum.

If you cannot find that proof, then it becomes clear that you don't know what you are talking about. Because their is no way Igbos will keep mum about those who arrogantly and consistently threaten the very existence of the Igbos.

clevadani:
I don't know what is wrong with him/her. Are they averse to having an intellectual discussion?
Why did he/she comment on the thread if what I wrote is crap? Even if what I wrote is crap, why didn't he/she point out the flaws in my argument?
This is getting way ridiculous. I had no idea these agitators had descended this low. Just see the way he/she has derailed the thread without making any meaningful contribution.
This is sad. No wonder the agitation has been stagnant.

You should have asked the hypocrite why the question came up? Why was he talking about war with his alleged best friend? Why did he not tell the guy what he would do as a Nigerisn soldier since he is the war monger? Bunch of living devils.

kenny987:
Methinks if u pose a threat to his life n that of his family in the name of fighting for what y'all believe in while u try to kill him for his own beliefs n choices, then you're fair game.

These are the folks Libtards like the worthless Lucas are fratanizing with. A bunch of traitors driven by anti-US sentiments. Trump is your collective nemesis. No more hiding place for your US-phobia. Bring it on. Spineless hypocrites.

Mindfulness:

You are the most hated country in this world. Deal with it on your own.