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chic2pimp:
Madrid are behind.

Of course they are

Yaya is great so far. Our biggest attacking threat as of now

Malaga take the lead against Madrid! 1-0

0-0 at Nou Camp with Valladolid looking dangerous, and Barca kinda sloppy early on.

If Jesus really had a problem with it he would smite them himself. It's free advertising. He appreciates it! Say thank you.

It really bothers me to see Nigerians defending this Jewish religion/fantasy. It's so fukn silly that it makes me cringe when I see intelligent well educated people fight so hard for this crap. It's heart breaking. It's so obvious this stuff is fairy tales. Full grown adults waiting for trumpets to blow and all kinds of walt Disney stuff to happen. Una no get brain?

haha. This is what I was actually responding to. I was using my phone and didn't feel like scrolling all the way up to check the posters name so I just used "@ topic"

Obelomo:
I understand what Bee444 is saying I love many Yoruba films, but many emphasis on voodoo, Yemoja,etc. culture, even when it not relevant to the storyline.

Depends on how big his ministry business is. If he has to save souls extort people at a lot of different places and he'll be making more than it costs to run the jet, then he needs it. If he can afford it why the hell not? He works hard for the money so he can do whatever h wants with it.

I don't think he even has to need it. He can buy it just to let u know that god y'all have been good to him. Alleluia!!

@ topic What about $Exx scenes? What do they add to the story line? Does James bond always have to screw the hot badass chik before the movie sweet?

Abeg leave babalawo alone. Na movie. If dem go church una no go complain.

Up babalawo. If u like try me I go send sopona come bite u

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haha thanks. mo gbe!! my head dey swell e don nearly burst. I dey come make i go soak am inside ice water. 

haha. No wahala. Check ur mail in like ten minutes

[quote author=Tudór link=topic=445621.msg6039806#msg6039806 date=1273905131]Yes oo One great emcee once said ''we no send them even if them use ten stamps'' [/quote]haha. That made my day!! Chei . . I no know say u hear am o. Me sef don get small famousness

We no send dem o. Kolomentality must die . . a painful death for that matter!!

Chei!! Cleveland is really desperate to keep Lebron. I never see this kind campaign to keep player before. 

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Yekini for shelsea. matsh made in heafun.

I dey o. Busy like crazy too. Life stinks right about now. lol.  Nice to see/read u again   


@topic. This stuff is a lot of work. Humbling.

Pain.

@Inesqor. Wsup? how r u? long time

BARCA!! The best club in the universe by a very long mile. Feel free to drop in to show your respect.  To my fellow cules, wazaaaaaaa 

Forza Barça!!

kai!! see yabbing.

I feel u mehn. Up yoruba, Up my village, up babalawo. e mi o ran iya pope!!!!

Me I want eternal life o. . . But with 72 $luts. Wetin I wan take virgin do? I no get time to dey teach person anytin o.

I can't see.

@ whizkid. I'm hijacking that beat and using it for a track. Sue me. If u like call police sef, nothin dey happen

Miraculous ojoro. If ref calls foul would that make him hellbound?

Jesu dey do ojoro

Abeg make person upload the jams make I hear nah. . .

I want to go blind too. This game looks like fun. Please can I join?

Hahaha. Madmax why are u so bitter? I quoted my class notes to try to illustrate what pseudopigraphy is, and not to argue anything about history. The post is still there u know. . Now u're not just being cynical, but dishonest. 

JeSoul:
^ & ^^
   Do they really Kray? it is rarely the case - in my casual experience - that a scholar would go out of his way to put a big sign on his decades of study that "this is just a guess". I remember remarking to Max once a while back that a lot of this "historical" stuff, are really opinions paraded as facts.

When they don't, run. That's why I said credible scholars. Not everyone with a Phd is credible. And a lot of the historical stuff about context is pretty solid. It is the particulars, the details. . who said what, where, when, what were the motives etc etc. Those are the things that have to be "guessed". It's a complicated process, and it's unfair to label all scholars as paraders of guesses as facts because that is inaccurate. Here is something I posted earlier

Messianism formed an important component of religious belief among all the groups in this period. The expectation of a messiah, an anointed scion of the Davidic royal house, took on strong eschatological overtones in the Greco-Roman period. This is in reaction to the political oppression suffered under the Greeks and the Romans, and in some cases to the takeover of the temple and the high priesthood by those deemed unworthy to control it. Messianic beliefs, like everything else in this period, were not uniform across groups; however, messianic expectations seem to be rampant. Josephus describes several messianic movements in this period; he mentions names such as Judas of Galilee, Simon bar Goriah, Theudas, and the Egyptian. In the second Jewish revolt in 132-135 CE, its leader, Simeon bar Kosiba (bar Kokhba) was hailed as messiah by no less a figure than Rabbi Akiba (Collins: 110-11). Therefore it is not surprising that according to the gospels some of Jesus' followers acclaimed him as messiah; such a belief would be neither unusual nor unique in the first century CE.

[21] I have attempted today to paint a picture of the world of Jesus and his disciples that reflects the variety of the multifaceted communities in which they lived and which they would have encountered. This picture constantly changes and expands as our knowledge base changes and expands; therefore no one source is adequate for portraying a realistic version of the life of Jesus.

Notice the highlighted. AN acknowledgment that findings are tentative. WHen scholars pick sides, make value judgements, and do not present their findings as tentative . .  put your "bullShit" detector on overdrive. Regardless of how many Phds the person has. We can't know for sure what happened 2000 years ago.

JeSoul:
And I appreciate this line -  Which would mean credible scholars are few and far between 

WHich is why one has to pick sources very carefully. If u don't know what u are doing u will start quoting any paper from a "scholar" as factual. U need a lot of background knowledge to tell what is what. Agreeing with the contents of a paper does not make it right.

JeSoul:
My caution is the same but of a different persuation -
-The scholar gives you an "educated" guess
-The average person gives you an experiential guess
       - The common denominator - they're all guessing

Scholars do not just guess. They do a lot of painstaking research, and where they can not reach definite conclusions, the try to infer the most probable of scenarios. But that is with matters of specifics. WHen it comes to context, less guess work is involved. For example we don't guess that there were Liberal Pharisees in Galilee that preached a lot of the same stuff as Jesus. We know that for sure. WHat we don't know is whether Jesus agreed with them on every single matter. That would be a guess. U get what I'm trying to say? Few credible scholars will comment on whether Jesus actually rose from the dead. They will stop at "his believers were convinced he rose from the dead". They will neither affirm nor deny it. . . those would be faith statements, not history.

JeSoul:
My bone of contention? why should anyone be basing or deriving their beliefs of "guesses"? whether educated or not? For purely academic reasons, that is certainly fine. And that's where you're coming from Krayola and hence fine. However, for far grander issues of faith and spirituality and God - guesses, especially someone elses, will and must not suffice for the seeker.

What if a faith claim is based on historicity of a document that has been shown to be ahistorical?

JeSoul:
I like this quote. Scholarship does definitely have its merits, it gives us a glimpse into the life and times of an era. Where it falls short, is giving us a glimpse into God or matters of the spirit.

I don't do theology. I avoid "spiritual" debates like the plague. I know that is not my territory.

haha. I no vex o.  Na uncle Paul I dey feel sorry for.


@ Jeseoul. Scholars guess, and put a big "NOTICE" so we know they are guessing. Credible scholars will be the 1st to tell u they don't know. That is why one should be careful when people draw conclusions about individual's characters and motives, based on few verses from letters written two thousand years ago. Like I said, no credible scholarship will lead one to such superficial conclusions. 

Scholarship, for the most part. tries to recreate the context. . . without context we have nothing. Picking a passage from here and there is ok for faith debates, theology. For historical study, u need tonnes more to get anything reliable.

@ madmax. Thank you for ur deep insight, and your time. I'm guilty of all charges, and have no clue what credible scholarship means. I have not provided any scholarly sources to back up my arguments, and my class notes are nonsensical, at best. I'm sorry your posts got deleted. Mine got deleted too but they were just my unsubstantiated opinions not backed up with anything so boo hoo to me. I'm guilty. Case closed. you win.

@genuflect. I saw the message. Thanks mehn. I was with the producer guy when I checked the message sef. He said thanks for the nice words. The guy dey feel like bad buy now.