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landis:
and what is Obama's race.

Surely he is not African and He is not Black.

When the poster said "Obama is responsible for the success and failure of his own race" I think he/she meant race as in presidential race and not race as in colour.

I have carefully read through every post on this topic and so far i believe only Debosky has gotten a grasp on what Jagoon is trying to say. If i may add to what Debosky has said, in essence, what Jagoon is asking everybody to do is show him where in the bible it is stated that it is a sin for 2 unmarried people to have sex. And dont use those verses with the word 'fornication' because it wont wash. He has already stated that the word 'fornication' in the bible = sexual immorality ≠ sex between 2 unmarried people according to Leveticus 18. Jagoon, am i right?

My question to Jagoon is this.

What do you think Paul meant by this verse: 1 Cor. 7:2 Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.?

@ KunleOshob
Very Eloquent write up.
I must say that most of all you posted are historically correct. At least in Post number one.
However i take exceptions to the conclusions you have drawn from historical facts. Yes Constantines conversion was false. Yes most christians were deceived by him and the protection he provided. However, that doesnt mean he effectively 'formed' christianity.

For example he did not chose whether directly or by proxy, the books of the bible. The books we have in the bible today were not written by agents of the devil. Quite the contrary. The authors of these books are men whose apostleship have never been in doubt. For those books that you perceive to have been rejected by constantine because they were not in agreement with his political agenda, if they were actually of God, they would not be in contradiction with the already accepted books.

Moreso, like somebody else ( I think Jesoul) said, your generalisation is very wrong. That there are a lot of things going wrong in the church today doesnt mean all those things you wrote can be found in every christian. And not everything you wrote as being wrong is wrong.

God has the power to keep his people, those he has called from the time Jesus left until now. Read the prayer in John 17. If anybody believe that somehow some where the entire church lost its way then tha person is doubting Gods power and promise to keep His people. Same can be said about His word. Since he gave us his word to guide us, it would be against His nature not to ensure that this word is available to His people at all times.

I stumbled on one nollywood drama one day. It featured Kanayo O. Kanayo and Clem Ohaneze playing youth corpers YOUTH corpers!!!and i thot those guys were in their 60's _{shakes head}

Nigerians always complain about how we are (mal)treated by foreigners. have we ever asked ourselves how we treat ourselves? How the police shoot and kill innocet people for a N20 handout? How the same police parade suspected criminals in their underwear? How military personel beat up people on the streets for some perceived insult? How pensioners line up (and die) for their pensions? How our streets and environment only get a face lift when a foreign dignitary is visiting? How we sell fake drugs to ourselves? How bus drivers increase the fare when there is rainfall or hevy traffic? I could go on and on. When a white man see's how we treat ourselves how do u expect him to treat us?

brother imhotep how far? I could probably find hundreds of verses in the koran and even the book of mormon that agree with verses in the bible. It doesn't prove everything.

And some more historical errors and anachronism. 

Tobit claimed that he was alive when the Assyrians conquered Israel in 722 B. C. and when Jeroboam revolted against Judah in 931 B. C. However it records his total life span as 158 years. These two events were actually 859 years apart.

Some more profound teaching from 'the word of God'?

Judith 9:10,13, says that God, assisted Judith in the telling of lies.

Ecclesiasticus and Wisdom teach that morality is based expedience. In other words it is right to sin in some situations.

Wisdom 11:17 teaches that God made the universe out of pre-existing matter instead of "ex nihilo" (out of nothing) as Genesis 1:1-2, John 1:1-3 and Hebrews 11:3 plainly state.

Below are some fairy tales purported to be true, found in the 7 deleted books.
The story of Bel and the Dragon says that the pagan priest of Bel tried to deceive Daniel by using a trap door to consume food left for the idol Bel. This pagan priest was seeking to convince Daniel that Bel was a real god who ate and drank everyday.
Another fanciful tale relates that Daniel was miraculously fed by the prophet Habakkuk, who was caught up by an angel in Judea, and taken to help Daniel in the lion's den in Babylon. Daniel lived hundreds of years before this spurious book titled "Bel and the Dragon" was written.
In Tobit, the blind father who lives in Nineveh, sends his son Tobias on a journey to collect a debt. On a journey for Tobias is led by an angel in disguise named Raphael. The angel leads him to the house of a virgin who had been married seven times, but whose husbands were all slain by a demon on their wedding night. Tobias marries the girl and drives away the demon by burning the heart of a certain fish in the bedroom, and with the help of Raphael. He returns home with the money and his bride, and then heals his father's eyes with the fish's gall.

My dear Lady, THE WICKEDNESS OF A MAN IS BETTER THAN A WOMAN WHO DOES GOOD really makes sense to you abi? You'll always find a way to make sense to senseless statements abi.

What did i just read?

imhotep:
I have been expecting a verse from the bible that says (words to the effect that) the bible CANNOT contradict itself I

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Do you know the meaning of the word contradict? My dictionary gives meanings including 'disagree with' and 'say opposite to'. Do you actually believe that the WORD OF GOD can actually disagree with itself or are my eyes deceiving me? Do you need a verse to tell you the WORD OF GOD (in essence, God Himself, because what He says represents who He is) cannot contradict itself? Its like God saying 'A' in one place and then saying 'B' in another place, when A and B cannot both be true. Since one of A or B must therefore be a lie, it can only mean one of two things. Either God is a liar ( Remember Num 23:19?) or one of the statements (A or B) was not made by God.

Misinformation

@ KunleOshob.
Ok, maybe 'smuggle' was the wrong word to use.
The part of the bible christians call the old testament was originally given to Jews. These Jews accepted 39 of them as scripture. After the destruction of the Temple in AD70 by Rome, the Jews decided to once and for all put into one volume all inspired books. This they did in AD 90 and it only included 39 books. The books of the Apocrypha first appeared as part of scripture when the Old Testament was translated into Greek (Septuagint). Note that these book were in existence for hundreds of years before this.

You are right in saying "it is also this human element (fallibility) that allowed the seven books to be initially included in the bible which was later removed". However i often wondered some people (The Council of Trent 1546)decided to include it in the bible even when it was clear to all that it shouldn't be. All the criteria used for declaring a book as canon when applied to the apocrypha showed them as uninspired. So why add them to the bible? Maybe it is being used to uphold ungodly satanic doctrines and traditions that have no basis in the Bible. The Council of Trent was held at a time of the reformation. Moreso, i believe the word of God to be infallible. Adding books like Judith to the Bible is to me an insult.

The essence of my post is for someone to please give me a good reason why these books should be in the bible. They dont make good history books, much less the inspired word of God.

Oh, I just discovered a statement of profound truth form the Apocrypha.

"Better is the wickedness of a man than a woman who does good; and it is a woman who brings shame and disgrace." Sirach 42:14

Really? There is a difference between percieved inaccuracies and blatant lies. There is a difference between what is recorded in the Bible and unrecorded in secular history and statements made in the apocrypha that are historically untrue.

For Example the book of Judith starts with "In the twelfth year of the reign of Nebuchadnezzar, who reigned over the Assyrians in Nineveh,". But that statement is a lie.

Oh please!
First, the verse you quoted is actually James 2:21 not 22. And if you had read From Verse 20 -24 you would have understood the entire gist.

And so it goes for the other ones you quoted. Complete reading of the verses would show that they actually agree. Don’t take scripture in isolation and out of context.

And don’t distract from what I am saying. Do you actually truly believe the statement in Tobit 6:5-8 (If the Devil, or an evil spirit troubles anyone, they can be driven away by making a smoke of the heart, liver, and gall of a fish, and the Devil will smell it, and flee away, and never come again anymore.)? Do you practice it? Do you know anyone it has worked for?

Have you noticed that the Apocrypha contains Historical Inaccuracies? How many times, in how many places and in how many ways did Antiochus Epiphanes die? Check the Macabees.

Below is a quote from One of the Apocryphal books that some people believe are inspired by God.

Tobit 6:5-8: If the Devil, or an evil spirit troubles anyone, they can be driven away by making a smoke of the heart, liver, and gall of a fish, and the Devil will smell it, and flee away, and never come again anymore.

Compare with these:
James 4:7: Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

Luke 10:19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

Nobody needs to tell you which one is inspired by God and which one is not. There is always agreement in the Word of God. Its obvious which one does not agree.

I have been following the arguements on the "Missing Commandment" thread. I came accross a statement by Imhotep affirming that Martin Luther deleted 7 books from the bible.

I wonder why it is believed in some quarters that these books were originally part of the Bible and were eventually taken out. It makes more sense to believe that there was an attempt to smuggle these books books into the Holy Scriptures and this attempt was rebounded. Moreso, the Jews to whom the books of the old covenant were entrusted do not regard these books as sacred.

So what are your thoughts on these books (Tobit, Judith, Wisdom of Solomon, Ecclesiasticus, Baruch, First and Second Maccabees and Additions to Esther and Daniel)? Why do catholics insist on claiming these books are inspired and sacred? Is it because it supports false doctrines like prayer for the dead, purgatory, salvation by works and Mary's sinless birth?

@ TayoD
You are the second person who has told me that Nigerias Energy problem cannot be completely solved in the near future. You also mentioned the time it takes to design, procure, construct, install and operate the power generating facilities we need. Can you please give a concise explanation so i dont keep getting my hopes up?

Ok. The final John P Kee I'll be posting

John P Kee - Rain On Us

Verse
God of mercy, God of love
Rain on us from Heaven above
God of mercy, God of love
Rain on us from Heaven above

Hallelujah is the highest praise
In advance we praise you for your grace
We exalt you for we're not afraid
We adore and magnify your name

Verse 2
God of mercy, God of love
Rain on us from Heaven above
God of mercy, God of love
Rain on us from Heaven above

Hallelujah is the highest praise (3x)
In advance we praise you for your grace
We exalt you for we're not afraid
We adore and magnify your name

God of mercy, God of mercy
Let your blessings fall from above

Vamp 1
Rain on us
Rain on us
(Repeat)
From Heaven above

Vamp 2
We adore you, no one before you
Rain on us
(Repeat)

Ending:
Rain on us
Rain on us
(Repeat)
From Heaven above,

Sovereign - John P Kee

Verse 1:
So many things we don’t know,
say it’s hard to let go,
we must put all our trust in You.
You will do what You say
if we trust and obey,
I know that ‘cause
You have brought me through;
my God will do
what He wants to
whenever He wants to,
He is God.

Chorus:
(Sovereign), sovereign.
(Sovereign), sovereign,
my God will do
what He wants to
whenever He wants to;
He is God.

Verse 2:
Zechariah spoke of You,
it was clear, it was true,
how personal he would claim his God.
Matters not if you fail,
I know that He will prevail,
because He sees, hears, and knows my all;
my God will do
what He wants to
whenever He wants to,
He is God.

Chorus

Verse 3:
Oh how David did agree in the Psalm 23,
called Him Shepherd over his life.
Testimony I give,
with the Shepherd I can live,
God of Providence, You are my Guide;
my God can do
what He wants to
whenever He wants to,
He is God.

Chorus

Vamp:
(Sovereign), sovereign.
(Sovereign), sovereign

Sweeter

Verse 1:
Worship Thee with my heart,
this relationship will never part.
With my mouth I will sing
praises to my Lord and King.

Chorus:
Sweeter than anything I know.
Sweeter than anything I know.
I’m gonna tell wherever I go;
sweeter than anything I know.

Verse 2:
Holy hands, we extend
to the matchless King, our Lord and friend.
From the rising of the sun,
to the going down of the same,
Your sweet name I shall always praise.

Chorus

Bridge 1:
He is the sweetest friend I know,
the sweetest story that’s ever been told;
I will worship Him always.

Chorus

Bridge 2:
He is the sweetest friend I know,
the sweetest, no compares that I know;
I will worship Him always, always.

Chorus

Vamp :
Sweeter, the Lord is sweeter.
Jesus is real and He’s so sweet to me.

Vamp 2:
Sweeter

Vamp 3:
Sweeter that the sweeter,
than the sweeter,
than the sweeter.

Vamp 4:
Sweeter than the honey on the honeycomb.

Vamp 5:
The Lord is (3x),
He is sweeter.

Vamp 6:
I’m gonna tell the world about it.
I’m gonna tell everybody.

Ending:
Sweeter than the honey on the honeycomb

Hey y'all, I'm feeling John P Kee right now so I'll just bust some of his songs here.

John P Kee - Stand

Verse:
I decided to take a stand
Not knowing I'll lose my best friend
But I'd rather; I'd rather live right
Than in hell lift up my eyes
Stand Stand You Stand

Chorus:
Stand for Holiness
Stand for Righteousness
And be counted among them
That shall reign with Him
You stand
When friends are gone
Stand when you're all alone
And believe He shall receive His own

I decided to take a stand
Not believing I'd lose
Some of my friends
I would rather; I'd rather live right
Than in hell lift up my eyes.
Stand Stand You Stand

Stand for Holiness
Stand for Righteousness
And be counted among them
That shall reign with Him
You stand
When friends are gone
Stand when you're all alone
And believe He shall receive His own

@ Piusbest
the Lord I'm Available I Know is by Rev. Milton Brunson. Here are the lyrics

You gave me my hands to reach out to men
To show Him your love and your perfect plan
You gave me my ears
I can hear your voice so clear
I can hear the cries of sinners
But can I wipe away their tears

You gave me my voice to sing your Word
To sing all your praises to those who've never heard
But with my eyes I see your need for more availability
I see hearts that has been broken
So many people to be free

Lord, I'm available to You
My will I give to You
I'll do what You say do
Use me Lord

To show someone the way
And enable me to say
My storage is empty
And I am available to You

Now I'm giving back to You
All the tools You gave to me
My hands, My ears, My voice, My eyes
So You can use them as You please

I have emptied out my vow
So that You can fill me up
Now I'm free
And I just want to be
More available to You

Ah
Use me Lord
To show someone the way
And enable me to say
My storage is empty
And I am available to You

@ Lamdec
Finally! some one that grooves 'I am God'. By far the best track in that album

Sorry, forgot to mention my favorite bond films.
In no particular order,
Man with the Golden Gun, Live and Let die, Golden Eye, Diamonds are Forever, World is not enuff, Die Another day, Goldfinger, You Only Live Twice, For your Eyes Only - Infact all (Except those ones with timothy dalton)

I loved Casino Royale - As a movie, not as a James Bond Movie.

James Bond Movie = Plenty girls, Gadgets and Panache. All of which was missing in Craigs brash, violent manner. Chei! No gadgets in a Bond.

Sean Connery defined the Bond Role and Persona. Craig is as far from Bond as Whoopi Goldberg is as far from a beauty queen

Daniel Craig? Best James Bond Ever?
Are u a Bond Fan?

@ Poster
The Post is not too long
People are Just toooooo lazy to read.
Keep it up.

Abi o. Let those of us with 'open eye' keep enjoying good music, like this one.

Skillet - More Faithful

All the things my feet thought to be firm
Are falling with urgency
Tearing back my false sense of security

Some say things change, nothing stays the same
But the sweetness in my ears
Safe in your arms speak the words I love to hear

You have been more faithful than the morning sun
You have been more faithful than knowing the night will come
You have been more faithful than the changing of seasons

All things I thought that I used to know
Are falling down again

Our disillusionment is how we grow
Some say things change, nothing stays the same
In a world of inconsistency
When everything's a lie,

What can cause my heart to believe
You have been more faithful than the morning sun
You have been more faithful than knowing the night will come
You have been more faithful than the changing of seasons

You have been more faithful than the morning sun
You have been more faithful than knowing the night will come
You have been more faithful than the morning sun
You have been more faithful than knowing the night will come
You have been more faithful than the changing of seasons

Thats true o. Put out billboards with Kirk Franklin, Kurt Carr, Cece Winans, Donald Lawrence, Hezekiah Walker, Tye Tribbett etc and get ready for a full house, crowd troubles and traffic congestion.
However, if that billboard contains the names Newsboys, DC Talk, Third Day, Rebecca St. James, Sonic Flood etc and you'll get questions like who dat?
But they'll at least fill Muson center sha.