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Op abeg get sense na!

alt3r3g0:
If you think Biafra, if allowed to happen will be united, you have another thing coming. The segregation within Delta state itself is so much that they asked for the state to be divided further so as to get Anioma state. So if Biafra think if they split they will have oil, there are decieving themselves.

bros you too much. I have said it before and it's true that all igbos are not united. Honestly, diversity has become a curse for Nigeria because we too plenty and everyone would love to be represented at some point.

Onijagidijagan:
Cossy Orjiakor the illustrious igbo woman representing

Bros, which one is tribe own now?

Na wah for una sef, what is surprising there?

Obviously this woman is a LovePeddler who sells her body by shamelessly flaunting her fundaments.

How can someone who isn't a lesbian see another woman and consider to sleep with her if she isn't in the business already.

This cosby is a big babe and travels overseas too where i believe she go don try all manner of stuff.


She doesn't have to say it out but we can read in between the line and know that she's already a lesbian, else she won't even consider it because of one surgical carved, artificial and fake lady.

I will respond to Ayo777 tonight that is if i'm not so tired when i arrive home; i guess i don not have to wait for him to answer my question. For the sake of learning and other who might benefit and learn something new, i will just go ahead but much much later.

PaulkillermanAg:
u and that clown should pass me that demon ppssed girl , I'll use my dickk to exorcise that demon from her..... The fork I go fork am, the demon go leave am fly go hell fire where it belongs...

Rubbish....

See what a massive mumu you are?

So you know there is hell fire? obviously you know that is where you and the demon will end up.

Who is now a clown?

I feel sorry for your end and you will regret this day.


I warned you before to always think before you talk to me............... I will expose your foolishness because it is written all over you.

You just dey blow grammar here, but that doesn't portray you as being you responsible/enlightened.

Education and civilization is not in words but actions and i can see that it is very far from you.

ariyike23:
Im quite happy you know that not every girl you meet out there must be slept with,i hope the op doesnt end his life badly,with the crooked believe he has about women..

Seriously speaking, he has to be because from his words he's living dangerously.

There are somethings you just glory in.

Syncan:
I do not want you or anyone to accept my view by force, all I want is a truthful discuss, not one that is blinded by hatred and hard heartedness of the Pharisees, who despite all that Jesus was saying and doing to prove who he was, decided not to believe.

I do not use sentiments and i don't follow what you guys discussed before as it's not so convenient for me something to read through.

I must concentrate on my mentions and that is where it concerns me i guess, so i didn't see where you disagreed with him and on what. Do you think i don't have my own view about that macabees discussion but i choose to stay stay away for now and probably won't even comment unless i'm mentioned.

I have told you, i have alot of catholic friends and we don't talk about these things because i respect their views but whenever the topic arises even in the office, we discuss and i tell them what i bible says. we agree, disagree or whatever but that doesn't change my view of how i see them.

I don't have issues with catholics but the doctrine. Chikina.

Anyways, im not supposed to talk till like 6 or 7, or less i not go finish my report oo.

SYNCAN.........

let me say this before hand so that you don't say i ran away oo.

i will be off till like 6 or 7, i need to prepare some stuff for office tomorrow

I will take any mention or comments when i get back, especially if Ayo777 has responded to the purgatory question i asked him. It is not a condition, i just wanna learn his view on that.

GO BACK TO THE FIRST LINE OF HIS POST TO ME. Before he started, he said i think.......

usually, my view is that when you think or feel that something should be like this or that, that doesn't mean it is correct or has to be so all the time. I do not think he is wrong, i know so.

I have alot to show him by the same scriptures he brought out as evidence for his reason and you (Syncan) will be amazed by the responses i will make to him. I'm not a novice in God word or read out of context.

I am fully prepared, don't worry.

meanwhile, let me rush to finish the things i must do first.

Syncan:
Hahahaha, someone just destroyed all your teachings that "once saved always saved", which you have been boasting up and down here, I purposely allowed him to do so. And all you can do is ask him about purgatory, hahahaha. Such a comedian I haven't seen

see what you said n the quote...................... if he truly know the scriptures and can destroy my teachers because i don't teach vain, then he has to know something about purgatory.

the thing with you is that you want me to accept your view by force and u dont have evidence. i show you what i teach

Syncan:
My goodness! Please who made the post below, and to whom?

My Lord!! do you understand English? What does that mean now?

Didn't you say he has rubbished all my teachings because he posted so much about salvation? You accredited him that he knows the word of God and so why will he not know about purgatory?

what is wrong in what i said?



Didn't you praise him for opposing what i said that he is correct and when it comes to your own view about purgatory then he has to be wrong.


My question again is this ............................... why will he know something that deep and technical in the scriptures (since you feel he is correct, even though i know he is not) and will not know something as simple as purgatory.

Purgatory is not complicated the way you guys are saying it, it's just that it is wrong and can't be proven biblically.

Syncan:
You have started again, editing posts already written, well I have quoted you and responded. Stop being childishly evasive, he has no business educating you about purgatory, he doesn't know about it either, I am here to do that, only you need to humble your self and learn.

Sorry no vex, i nor wan send you message twice. The thing is i dey rush to respond because my network (MTN) doesn't help.

You are here to teach us about purgatory? logically or scripturally? I'm really willing to learn..

The honest truth here is that you are the one acting childish..

How can you tell me that someone that you so praise for knowing scriptures cannot know about purgatory must he must know about salvation?

where is fairness in your word?

Syncan:
You see that's the problem, you've not asked yourself, how they come about these books in the bible. The early Christians held several books as inspired in the first four centuries of the Church, these includes books such as seven letters of Ignatius, the Didache, and The Shepherd. It was not until later that the Catholic Bishops sat, and through an Intense process decided on those to be included as Canons. As per the ones you mentioned appearing in the new testament as references, there are quite a number. I will just name these:

2 Maccabees 7 ----Quoted by St. Paul in Heb 11:35.

Judith 8:14--Quoted by St. Paul in 1Cor.2:10

Judith 8:25--Quoted by St. Paul in 1 cor 10:10.

I just edited my post, God and read while we wait for Ayo777.

Syncan:
Hahahaha, someone just destroyed ll your teachings that "oodoesnot aved always saved", which you have been boasting up and down here, I purposely allowed him to do so. And all you can do is ask him about purgatory, hahahaha. Such a comedian I haven't seen

You will be confounded shortly. I just got back from church that was why I haven't been here.

You haven't learnt a thing do you? So you think Ayo777 is correct?

I'm wiser than you obviously and I wanted you to see that even the man you take as ur scriptural bail out does not support your false church and purgatory because he can't tell me it exists if he really knows God word.

So why are you so glorified about what he is saying?

I must wait and he will tell me first about purgatory (his own view) so you can for once see your foolishness through someone you are praising. I asked him about that because i'm wiser than you are.

Like I said he is wrong and I will prove him scripture wise. Am i not the one telling you now THAT HIS VIEW IS WRONG in terms of salvation? I didn't hide or mix words when i said he's wrong. We will talk about it.

But first he has to pleaaassssssseeee educate us about purgatory.

I just got back from church like i said, so i will be back shortly.

Always wait for the person you are discussing with you say o.k, i am out before you pass conclusion. I didn't run when i know he is wrong.

I am prepared and fully loaded with the word and we will both learn something meaningful off each other, while you just keep quiet and learn.

I'm coming back shortly

[quote author=analice107 post=45640735][/quote]I will talk soon, just closed from church.

joey150:
Hahah i trust you mr.. And your comic relief is well needed here. I aslo tagged you in a post. And am waiting for your epic twist. As i always know you will never let me down.
Cheers bro!

Thank God you know. Don't tag me, follow me sef if you like. You always make me smile when I'm typing.

OK seriously now! Please finish up. Just tell me where purgatory is.

Why is it so hard? Prove it that everything u stand for here makes sense.


I will also wait for Ayo777 to talk on purgatory before we can talk better. This is the topic of the thread and I wanna see his view. He seems to know scriptures and I like that but hopefully he is not quoting out of context.

Sometimes u have to read the whole chapter to grasp what a verse is saying and that is where u always fail, hopefully I can learn from Ayo777 because I haven't learnt a thing from u since because you are refusing to show me ur claim by scriptures.


Purgatory!! Lol

joey150:
hahah now he agrees he has been yarning dust.

I told you from minute 1 you came here that you were my comic relief.

I don't get you? Agree what?

So you think I am clueless or cannot open up scriptures? I don't read out of context. I will look and we will talk because the scriptures he put out are many.

You can be rest assured I will respond wella and upright too.

But first, let him tell us if purgatory is real or not.

ayoku777:
I don't think, I know a believer can lose his salvation because many scriptures make that claim clear.

Here are some of the scriptures that show that salvation can be lost and that "Once saved always saved" doctrine is unscriptural.

1Timothy 4v1 - Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times SOME SHALL DEPART FROM THE FAITH, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils.
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This wasn't just Paul talking; this was Paul saying what the Holy Spirit told him expressly; that some will depart from the faith in the last days.

An unbeliever cannot depart from the faith because he was never in the faith. Only someone who once believed in Christ and no longer does, can be said to have departed from the faith.

And to depart from the faith is to lose the salvation. We are justified by faith (Romans 5v1) and saved by grace through faith (Eph 2v8). To depart from the faith through which we are justified and saved by grace is to lose the salvation. We can't depart from the faith and keep the salvation.

So if faith can be departed from, according to the Spirit; then salvation can be lost. Proving that, Once saved is not automatic "always saved".

Another verse.

Revelation 3v5 -He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in whote raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before His angels.

This was Jesus talking; and He wasn't talking to unbelievers. He was talking to christians.

He said that believers who overcome, He will not blot out their names from the book of life. Meaning that christians who don't overcome (or keep the faith) will have their names blotted out.

This proves two things.

One; that being a christian and a member of the body of Christ does not automatically mean one will end an overcomer. If every christian will end an overcomer, no matter what; Jesus would not be telling them; "He that overcometh.."

And two; that christians who don't overcome will have their names blotted out of the book of life, which is the same thing as losing eternal life.

Rev 20v15 -And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

So if names written in the book of life can be blotted out; it means that eternal life and salvation can be lost by someone who once had it. Proving that; Once saved is not automatic "always saved".

Another verse;

Romans 11v22 -Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be CUT OFF.

This was Paul writing to the gentile believers, warning them not to be highminded and carefree about their salvation. That if they do not continue in God's goodness by staying in the faith ...they also shall be cut off.

Meaning that the scenario of being cut off from Christ is not an impossibility. A christian can let carnality and carefree-ness degenerate into unbelief and departure from the faith. And when that happens, that christian shall be cut off from Christ.

If it was impossible for a believer to be cut off from Christ, the scriptures will not warn us not to let it happen. And when one is cut off from Christ, he is no more saved. Proving again that salvation can be lost; and Once saved is not automatic "always saved".

Another verse;

2Thess 2v3 -Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Listen; this was Paul writing to believers about what will happen before the coming of Christ. And he said it will be preceeded by a falling away.

Note: the falling away is not referring to unbelievers. Unbelievers cannot fall away, because they were never standing. We stand by faith;

Romans 11v20 -...thou standest by faith.

2Cor 1v24 -...for by faith ye stand.

So only someone that once had faith in Christ and no longer does can be said to have "fallen away".

So the falling away is the great de-conversion from christianity that will happen in the end-times; of which we are already seeing a bit of it.

If a believer cannot later become an unbeliever, and if a christian can never be de-converted from faith in Christ; will the scripture talk about "falling away" as part of the signs of the end-times?

These proofs again that; "once saved always saved" is a false doctrine.

These are some of the scriptures that disprove "Once saved always saved" doctrine and show that:

1. A christian can depart from the faith

2. Names written in the book of life can be blotted out.

3. Someone once grafted into Christ can be cut off from Him.

4. A christian once standing by faith can fall away into unbelief.

If all these scenarios were impossible or can never happen; scriptures will not warn us of them.

You don't warn a fish about drowning because it can't drown. You don't warn people about things that can never happen to them. If believers are warned about departing from the faith, having their names blotted out of the book of life, being cut off from Christ and falling away, it is because it can happen to them. And the Spirit says some will depart from the faith.

This shows in no ambiguous terms and clarity that salvation can be lost. That "Once saved always saved" doctrine is false.

Shalom.

Finally, someone that knows the scriptures but before we go further please I need you your view on the below.


1. Purgatory

2. Honouring Mary

3. Praying to Saints.




This wasn't just Paul talking; this was Paul saying what the Holy Spirit told him expressly; that some will depart from the faith in the last days.

An unbeliever cannot depart from the faith because he was never in the faith. Only someone who once believed in Christ and no longer does, can be said to have departed from the faith.

And to depart from the faith is to lose the salvation. We are justified by faith (Romans 5v1) and saved by grace through faith (Eph 2v8). To depart from the faith through which we are justified and saved by grace is to lose the salvation. We can't depart from the faith and keep the salvation.

So if faith can be departed from, according to the Spirit; then salvation can be lost. Proving that, Once saved is not automatic "always saved".

Another verse.

Revelation 3v5 -He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in whote raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before His angels.

This was Jesus talking; and He wasn't talking to unbelievers. He was talking to christians.

He said that believers who overcome, He will not blot out their names from the book of life. Meaning that christians who don't overcome (or keep the faith) will have their names blotted out.

This proves two things.

One; that being a christian and a member of the body of Christ does not automatically mean one will end an overcomer. If every christian will end an overcomer, no matter what; Jesus would not be telling them; "He that overcometh.."

And two; that christians who don't overcome will have their names blotted out of the book of life, which is the same thing as losing eternal life.

Rev 20v15 -And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

So if names written in the book of life can be blotted out; it means that eternal life and salvation can be lost by someone who once had it. Proving that; Once saved is not automatic "always saved".

Another verse;

Romans 11v22 -Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be CUT OFF.

This was Paul writing to the gentile believers, warning them not to be highminded and carefree about their salvation. That if they do not continue in God's goodness by staying in the faith ...they also shall be cut off.

Meaning that the scenario of being cut off from Christ is not an impossibility. A christian can let carnality and carefree-ness degenerate into unbelief and departure from the faith. And when that happens, that christian shall be cut off from Christ.

If it was impossible for a believer to be cut off from Christ, the scriptures will not warn us not to let it happen. And when one is cut off from Christ, he is no more saved. Proving again that salvation can be lost; and Once saved is not automatic "always saved".

Another verse;

2Thess 2v3 -Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Listen; this was Paul writing to believers about what will happen before the coming of Christ. And he said it will be preceeded by a falling away.

Note: the falling away is not referring to unbelievers. Unbelievers cannot fall away, because they were never standing. We stand by faith;

Romans 11v20 -...thou standest by faith.

2Cor 1v24 -...for by faith ye stand.

So only someone that once had faith in Christ and no longer does can be said to have "fallen away".

So the falling away is the great de-conversion from christianity that will happen in the end-times; of which we are already seeing a bit of it.

If a believer cannot later become an unbeliever, and if a christian can never be de-converted from faith in Christ; will the scripture talk about "falling away" as part of the signs of the end-times?

These proofs again that; "once saved always saved" is a false doctrine.

These are some of the scriptures that disprove "Once saved always saved" doctrine and show that:

1. A christian can depart from the faith

2. Names written in the book of life can be blotted out.

3. Someone once grafted into Christ can be cut off from Him.

4. A christian once standing by faith can fall away into unbelief.

If all these scenarios were impossible or can never happen; scriptures will not warn us of them.

You don't warn a fish about drowning because it can't drown. You don't warn people about things that can never happen to them. If believers are warned about departing from the faith, having their names blotted out of the book of life, being cut off from Christ and falling away, it is because it can happen to them. And the Spirit says some will depart from the faith.

This shows in no ambiguous terms and clarity that salvation can be lost. That "Once saved always saved" doctrine is false.

Shalom.[/quote]Finally, someone that understand scriptures and that we can share properly.

Howver, before I go on with that because I will show u stuff too and explain but first I want ur view on the following.


1. Purgatory

2. Praying through Mary when we need something from Jesus

Syncan:
By their fruits ye shall know them.

I do not know why you tell lies a lot, nor do I know what you gain from insults. This what you said below, I removed the rest so you can see clearly. When did you now go to spiritual pillar?

You are a child and have no point.

Christians are pillars in the church upholding the truth, where did I lie?


Revelation 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.


The same Ayo777 that you are quoting also said we are saved by grace. Wasn't it something u guys called a lie?


Someone asked you where is purgatory u couldn't talk.....u are the biggest liar preaching lies.


Just prove yourself and tel me where purgatory is in the bible.

Syncan:
Those who will experience it shall, after their individual judgement once they leave this earth.

You didn't say where it will happen. Pls tell us!

This is what I have been saying since, it's not in the bible.

Those who will be in heaven will not go through judgment when it comes to salvation because we are saved already. Maybe u haven't heard that one again.

Syncan:
Hahahaha, so a mass of cement, or in some cases a collection of woods, is your pillar and ground of truth abi? Ok, what about when the word is propagated here on NL, it will not have pillar and ground of truth na. Lol.
Mister, the ground of truth is the mystical Church instituted by Christ in Matt.16:18. The church with the keys to the kingdom, of which the powers of Hades cannot overcome

You be olodo.

A pillar in that sense is spiritual. Read my post again.

Pillars are the saints. A church is the house of God right? But every house need pillar of support to stand abi?

You see say you nor sabi!

If you preach on NL it will becos you and I is the church and also the pillar. We uphold the truth as the ground where the truth is ditched but we are not the truth. Go sit down jare, ur blindness no be here ooo

Syncan:
Do you now doubt the scripture you claim to follow? 1Tim3:15 "... thechurch of the living God, the pillar and ground of truth".
Here scripture calls her the pillar and ground of truth.

Yes I talk about church, because you have to prove to me that you are not a blind guide " Can a blind lead the blind ?" LK.6:39

I will be quick because u just messed up again. Do you even understand the scriptures? How do you read it?

I already told you to bring up any scripture and I will school you because that is where I live. You may say I'm arrogant but you are no less because you claim to know and you don't which makes it so funny.

Okay, lets look at the scripture.....

1 Timothy 3:15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

When Paul said the ground of truth, he was making reference to a physical building, a house where people gather to worship God, a ground where people hear the word of truth.

That does not make the church the truth because Jesus is the only truth. The pillar talks about the poles standing inside the building that upholds the truth. When we preach, we uphold the truth of Jesus' word. The saints of God, serving as pillars is what upholds the truth but we are not the truth as pillars, Jesus is the way, the truth and the life. The truth is the scriptures, the world of God.

The house of God which is the Church has pillars (people that makes it stand) that upholds but it's the ground where the truth (Jesus) is preached.

It is people like you who turn bible upside down that makes people say the bible contradicts itself.

The major thing wrong with ur post was when u said..... the church is more important than the scriptures. Haba, listen to yourself.

Who is the scripture? Jesus and will never pass away. The bible says the word becomes flesh and dwells among us.

[quote=ayoku777 post=45621723]This is not true. A believer can lose his salvation. And there are many warnings addressed to believers in the epistles that make that fact clear.

Shalom![/quote]Sorry my response was late and I believe we all have a life outside NL and can't always here to quickly respond to mentions. That said!

Please why do you think a believer can loose his or her salvation? I will be glad if we can run through these warnings together and also learn from each other.

This is the most important of what Jesus came to do and Also proved Himself as king or kings.

I'm glad we will stay within scriptures because I usually do not accept teachings or philosophy outside the word of God.

Welcome on board and I'm sure I'm people are waiting to learn from us..

I will just go to the point.

Syncan:
You are welcome bro, continue the good works. I stand to assure you that there is nothing the Catholic Church teaches that contradicts scripture in anyway. Despite this, the church and not scripture is the "pillar and ground of truth". People who condemn out of ignorance eventually arrive as long as they are receptive to truth. See the one making too much noise above, but with just three sentences and without quoting scripture, a basic truth has been declared to him by Ayoku777, which completely nullifies all his rants and boasts up there. Let him come and demand scripture support.

Chai!!! This dude don spoil everything.

Despite this, the church and not scripture is the "pillar and ground of truth".. Really?? Ah!

Didn't the bible say heaven and earth Sha pass away but my word shall remain?

Luke 21:33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.

Jesus is the word of God and the truth. So you. Mean without God's word u will get the truth?


Another failed comment. Please stop talking because u are empty. You just denied Christ His glory. Will church not pass away? Abi u think there will be church in heaven? Lol

It's okay to praise your friend he shares same view with but u can't get me by doing that. Also don't mix it up with scripturally foolishness. All ur own Na church, church, church. U think church will save anyone? It is what u know that is the truth that will set u free. Ye shall know the truth (the word of God) and not ye Sha attend church for u to be free. Devils don't go to church?

As for Ayoku777, I didn't answer him yet because I was sleeping and since I got back been talking to you guys. I was going to respond...lol.

You too funny honestly. So u think he is correct? I didn't rush to answer him cos the gist will need a lot of scriptures as proof. So I chill first.

You have encountered me twice and u still don't know a thing abt me.

Here it is.....I DON'T GIVE UP on the truth

joey150:
ha! He has completely read another meaning to my comment.

I have said all i have to say, both in the conversations that ensued between me and people on this thread and my first sets of post.

Anyway,dear friend i will continue to correct and voice my opinions in parts of your post i dont feel comfortable with. I have said my piece on the purgatory matter for now.
Cheers!

I didn't take ur words like fight but hilarious, don't worry we are good.

Yea but that doesn't mean purgatory is real. When people say what they think, hear or feel, it doesn't mean it is always correct.

You didn't prove anything about purgatory scripturally. Not one place or where it is described. Describe oh and not even mentioned.

I have explained to u, even showed you what is closed to purgatory in the bible but u never show me one. I like to stay within scriptures because the bible says let God be true and all man a liar.

Romans 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

Purgatory is a myth in the head of those who believe, simply because were told so by men. Did you bother ask where it is in the bible?

I don speak my mind and I go still speak more....

joey150:
Laribari i can only ;s.

I am still . you get the concept but not the whole idea.
I still believe all this brouhI have ha arises from the need that everybody thinks they understand the bible and can set up a church and say God asked me to.
Same God that asked the other many thousands to do the same??

Who is actually deceiving who? Sad really!

Honestly, when novice of scripture talk I know them and I always laugh becos each post just reveal their position as people just trying to create their own philosophy. How did I get here? That is because I listen to sound preachers, read books and study too.i didn't say I'm superman and I still go to church and not thinking I know it all.

You just don't know that everybody with vast knowledge of God's word is not a pastor and will never open a church when God does not ask me to. mind you, if I have to tell you where I fall in, then it will be a teacher or evangelist and I do not need open a church for that. Everybody can do service to God in various way. There are pastors, evangelist, teachers, apostles and prophets.

Ephesians 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teacher.

I am not seeking money or fame, neither did I acquire this knowledge today. I teacher of God's word but not in churches except on two ocassions that I taught from the pulpit and one was Redeem youth programme. This journey started in early 2000 on campus and why haven't I started church since?

You don't know me and how I reason or approach God. Don't judge me with the others. Not every good preach can pastor churches.

I laugh at you my friend becos you think I'm deceiving myself but im not. If I am, by now I will be running faster than my shadow.

It's just good to know God's word and to understand His ways becos not everyone can get the basis but it's in the bible.


You said I have the concept but not the whole idea. Thanks for admitting at least that I have impacted some positives. However, if I have a concept (revelation or enlightment) of something then I have the whole idea (truth) because Ideas comes from having a concept of the whole thing.

For me, I'm too loaded for anyone to carjole me with the word and isn't it why Paul said study to show urself approved? When you study your wisdom level increases too. Wisdom as in knowing what is right from wrong and also how to approach people with contrary view. Sometimes, it's like thinking ahead or when they talk you just see a lot things wrong, especially when it's not in line with God's word.

I will not write so much now, I just woke up from a short sleep and had to take care of somethings.

We might talk later pending on mood or ur mentions.

Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

As long as Adam failed, there is nothing in this world we can all do God will not see us as pure because we are from seed of the first man and has his sinful nature.
When Adam sinned, he was trying to justify himself which is by works outside Christ when he used leave to cover himself.

Job 31:33 If I covered my transgressions as Adam, by hiding mine iniquity in my bosom.

God came and shed Blood for the forgiveness of their sin by killing two animals and used their skin to cover them.


Genesis 3:21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.

However, today God has to shed the blood of His son in the same way He used animals and that is why Jesus is called a Lamb that was slained.

Adam messed it all up which we would have done worse if we were in his shoes but Jesus who is scripturally called the second Adam gave us life. However, we can't have the life eternal just like that, instead we have to confess Christ by faith and follow His ways.

Just like every new born child is a sinner from birth because Adam and no matter how much good we do on earth we won't still make heaven, it is the same that in Jesus we are always considered saved and justified no matter what we did. This does not encourage us to sin and that is what Paul was saying in Romans 6:1 when he spoke concerning grace.

Jesus said no man can come to the father except by me... it doesn't matter how much good you do, the first Adam has cobalize you...lol.

My friends use the word cobalize for implicate if u get what I mean.

Anyways, this is where non Christians have issue with Christianity. How can u say ur way is the only way, well Unfortunately that is it. They do not understand that everyone outside Jesus, the world was heading for doom. His death gave us a life line but only those who accept Him.

Let me stop for now....u can ask anything.

analice107:
I benefit. Pls can you share some of your info with me?

It depends on what you wanna know, you can ask and whatever I say will be shown to you scripturally. If you have contrary opinion please put out a scripture backing ur view and let's look at it together. But don't use reason and Logic for the bible it won't reveal the truth.

Isn't it why the bible said God has used the foolish things of this world to confound the wise.

Salvation they say is a free gift and how hard can we work again? Then what did Christ die for? Only those who accept Jesus and are led by His spirit shall be saved. When Jesus was angry and beat people up with stick, did that confine him to hell? When Abraham lied to Pharoah saying Sarah was his wife, did that take him to hell? When Peter lied that he didn't know Jesus, he even denied him but that didn't take him to hel because he later repented.

Does it now mean we have to sin and repent, sin and repent again? No!
because God forgives doesn't mean we have to sin and that is what Paul was saying abt grace. That we shud try work to the point of standing strong even though it's not easy but it not as if we fall again we wil be condemed by it.
If we get it right, it gladens God and we too that we can work in His ways.

If you fail a question, it doesn't mean in have to stop studying mathematics and do you know what joy comes with it when u finally get it right?



This is the greatest secret of God hid in Christ. The world can never ever understand the mystery behind salvation and a man that is saved can loose it again. Except the person was never truly saved. How does born again work?

Do u think we sin 10 times and repent 10 times? You think God works that way.

If my dad hates what I do as a child and I disobey him, does it stop making me his child? No! But for him to be happy with me, I have to change my ways.

Romans 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.


Romans 4:2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.

If we can save ourselves outside grace, then it means it is by our works (outside christ) and that will mean we can booast in ourselves. We can glory in our selves and that will make the death of Jesus void.

If we can do it by ourselves, Jesus will not come down trust me becos many great men that God trusted all had sin because of Adam.

Let me share something new in my next post.

Syncan:
You are aware of our first encounter, if you come haughty, I will treat you like Jesus treating the pharisees and scribes. If you want to discuss calmly, I am ready to clarifI always say, judge accordin things for you. However if your mind is made up that we are going to hell and you're the judge sent to condemn us, then there's not much we can do but await your punishment oga. I have no time to go through the whole thread (I have quite a number of things to do...including keeping my deal of a book reading with analice107). If there is a particular one you want to draw my attention to, please do.

I will pass, our last encountered says it all. I remember you now and you are the man that hasn't told a single lie since he was born and not even lately too.

How did Christ treat the pharisees when I asked you a simple question that you dodge till today...lol. Very funny. Speaking of the last time, I handled you well so don't sound like a champion because you ran in the end remember? But this time, I will pass because I know ur type and what is coming. Gabage in, Gabage out!

As usual, this argument will be deadlock but let the truth I have shared speak for me. I have stayed within the scriptures whenever i make points because I know there are a lot of info I have which many do not and I always say let's prove what we say scripturally.

Anyways, like I said I will just leave you guys to what you believe. I always except that I'm proven wrongly by the bible but hasn't really happened, instead we argue needlessly and others won't be benefited. What is the point.

Lol

Syncan:
Well done joey150 for your calmness and insightful responses. It is like the seed sown, to some it is on fertile ground, a call to thoughts, search and prayers, but to others....na waste.

Which seed? Make you point known based on scriptures. Prove me wrong based on scriptures. Decieve yourself.

I have showed you evidence from bible only the lost will remain blind.

The things of God are foolishness to the wise according to the bible.

Even devil nor dey soul seed? It depends on the seed u are talking about.

With everything I have proven from scriptures, it will become wasteful to fools.

You can bail him out

Syncan:
Well done joey150 for your calmness and insightful responses. It is like the seed sown, to some it is on fertile ground, a call to thoughts, search and prayers, but to others....na waste.

Which seed? Make you point known based on scriptures. Prove me wrong based on scriptures. Decieve yourself.

The things of God are foolishness to the wise according to the bible.

Even devil nor dey soul seed? It depends on the seed u are talking about.

With everything I have proven from scriptures, it will become wasteful to fools.

You can bail him out