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If we you watched that as a child then you must be very young.

Feminists can't be happy because nobody was created that way.

hmmn. ok

love is not sex, sex is not love.

Chillext:
Your spouse is seriously ill, confirmed by the doctor that the only solution to her health is a quick orgasm or ejaculation within the next 10 mins or death! and you are not available, except for your best friend,

The question is would you allow your best friend have SEX with your spouse to save her life?
pls be sincere.....

N.B Just a question! No one prays for such........

can't happen

And today Buhari is killing Boko Haram members.

baba11:
I concur but to do that we may need grant and government support.If you don't mind, you can drop your number to come to be in our midst/group

will pm it to you

this is what nairaland should be about. I suggest we come together and form a research group. we can take this technology to the home of every Nigerian.

Why did Abraham tithe, was he under the law then?

NumberOne2:
I asked this question before and it was ignored:
You probably know or heard of Atheists who were once Born again Christians but now deny God. They even convince other Christians to fall from the faith (to deny God's existence).
So will this Atheist also make it to Heaven because they were ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED?

So sportsmaster, is the above Atheist still saved?

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Hebrews 6
1 So let us stop going over the basic teachings about Christ again and again. Let us go on instead and become mature in our understanding. Surely we don’t need to start again with the fundamental importance of repenting from evil deeds and placing our faith in God. 2 You don’t need further instruction about baptisms, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment. 3 And so, God willing, we will move forward to further understanding.

4 For it is impossible to bring back to repentance those who were once enlightened—those who have experienced the good things of heaven and shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the power of the age to come—6 and who then turn away from God. It is impossible to bring such people back to repentance; by rejecting the Son of God, they themselves are nailing him to the cross once again and holding him up to public shame.

7 When the ground soaks up the falling rain and bears a good crop for the farmer, it has God’s blessing. 8 But if a field bears thorns and thistles, it is useless. The farmer will soon condemn that field and burn it.

9 Dear friends, even though we are talking this way, we really don’t believe it applies to you. We are confident that you are meant for better things, things that come with salvation.

look at verse 9 properly.

[quote author=Barnabaseloka post=34956726]Can you show me where it was stated that Abraham believed God ONCE and it was accounted unto him for righteousness or was it a mistake on your part?

Yes, there are WORKS (actions) that back up one's FAITH,


Galatians 2:20 KJV
I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

italo:
1Cor9:24 Do you not know that in a race the runners all compete, but only one receives the prize? Run in such a way that you may win it.




2Cor9:27 but I punish my body and enslave it, so that after proclaiming to others I myself should not be disqualified.

Col1:24 I am now rejoicing in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I am completing what is lacking in Christ’s afflictions for the sake of his body, that is, the church.

It is safe to say that Lateralmaths is not a Christian, like St. Paul.

What prize was Paul running for?
Definetly not salvation.
There is a prize attached to our grace enabled works.

Scholar8200:
Yes, before they yielded to temptation. They must have been of the 3000+ converts on the day of Pentecost since they also associated with the church. Just like Judas, they fell by transgression. Hence we are warned to be sober and vigilant; this would be superfluous if there was no danger.

The bible did not call them believers...

Barnabaseloka:
Anyone who has the mindset of 'once saved ever saved' should know that he/she has been deceived. This gives them a foothold to 'play' with sin as if nothing has happened to them.

This is why I always tell people to study the Scriptures and never to swallow any pastor's messages hook, line and sinker. Learn from the Bereans! Only those who live holy will see God!

Once you know that your are eternally saved and understand the Love of God, you can't sin.

Scholar8200:
As regards the highlighted, see Romans 6:12,13
12 Let not sin therefore rule as king in your mortal (short-lived, perishable) bodies, to make you yield to its cravings and be subject to its lusts and evil passions.
13 Do not continue offering or yielding your bodily members [and [a]faculties] to sin as instruments (tools) of wickedness. But offer and yield yourselves to God as though you have been raised from the dead to [perpetual] life, and your bodily members [and [b]faculties] to God, presenting them as implements of righteousness.

It starts with the word,'let'. Meaning we have a choice to make. If we'll obey the command in the verse then we do it not by struggling but in total dependence on the Holy Spirit
Romans 8:11-13
And if the Spirit of Him Who raised up Jesus from the dead dwells in you, [then] He Who raised up Christ Jesus from the dead will also restore to life your mortal (short-lived, perishable) bodies through His Spirit Who dwells in you.
12 So then, brethren, we are debtors, but not to the flesh [we are not obligated to our carnal nature], to live [a life ruled by the standards set up by the dictates] of the flesh.
13 For if you live according to [the dictates of] the flesh, you will surely die. But if through the power of the [Holy] Spirit you are [habitually] putting to death (making extinct, deadening) the [evil] deeds prompted by the body, you shall [really and genuinely] live forever.

Note that the emphasis on mortal bodies debunks your claim that the body is not saved!
The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death 1 Corinth 15:26 (not sin) hence, pending the time appointed,people still die. However, victory over sin is available while we are alive, by the Power of the Spirit (not referring to Holy Ghost Baptism but Indwelling Spirit at Salvation).

Let me add
1 Thess 5:22-24
22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.

23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 24 Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.

Vs 22 is our responsibility; VS 23 is God's part as long as,through faith, we are faithful to our part.

24 Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.
That's the answer...
We believe we are saved by grace, yet we live by the law... It doesn't work that way... The Holy Spirit convicts the believer of righteousness. He reveals who you are to you and when that happens you will realize that sin is not an issue...
Sin consciousness is actually looking unto your weaknesses instead of seeing who you are in Christ.

Scholar8200:
Op, if there is unconditional security, what would you say about Judas, Demas, Ananias and Sapphira?
Why would Jesus warn his disciples on the dangers of hell and emphasize the need to watch and take heed?

Then, what was the purpose of the parable of the 10 virgins?
Salvation is by Grace but the person thus saved is commanded to walk in the Spirit else, death(spiritual) will result.
And, why would the Holy Spirit inspire Paul to write:

Romans 8:1,13

1 Therefore, [there is] now no condemnation (no adjudging guilty of wrong) for those who are in Christ Jesus, who live [and] walk not after the dictates of the flesh, but after the dictates of the Spirit.
13 For if you live according to [the dictates of] the flesh, you will surely die. But if through the power of the [Holy] Spirit you are [habitually] putting to death (making extinct, deadening) the [evil] deeds prompted by the body, you shall [really and genuinely] live forever.

After salvation, the condition for our security is the highlighted.

Check you bible, were they believers (Ananias and Sapphira)?

Scholar8200:
Op, if there is unconditional security, what would you say about Judas, Demas, Ananias and Sapphira?
Why would Jesus warn his disciples on the dangers of hell and emphasize the need to watch and take heed?

Then, what was the purpose of the parable of the 10 virgins?
Salvation is by Grace but the person thus saved is commanded to walk in the Spirit else, death(spiritual) will result.
And, why would the Holy Spirit inspire Paul to write:

Romans 8:1,13

1 Therefore, [there is] now no condemnation (no adjudging guilty of wrong) for those who are in Christ Jesus, who live [and] walk not after the dictates of the flesh, but after the dictates of the Spirit.
13 For if you live according to [the dictates of] the flesh, you will surely die. But if through the power of the [Holy] Spirit you are [habitually] putting to death (making extinct, deadening) the [evil] deeds prompted by the body, you shall [really and genuinely] live forever.

After salvation, the condition for our security is the highlighted.

See other translations for Rom. 8:1
So now there is no condemnation for those who belong to Christ Jesus.....
preceptaustin.org/new_page_61.htm

That is all there is to Rom.8:1 from the original bible manuscript.

Pls let's study deeper.

italo:
Gbam.
Once saved always saved is a LIE!

Read the scriptures... What gives one access to eternal life?

CAPTIVATOR:
Its also a PRIZE , you have to run for it , ( 1cor 9:24) ,

In other words you are saying that Christ's redemption is completed/perfected by man?

Barnabaseloka:
Once saved ever saved is not scriptural. There are two people involved in salvation: God and man. God's work is to save a sinner from the power of sin so that he/she can live righteously before Him. Man's work in salvation is to MAINTAIN the work that God has done in his/her life by living a life that pleases God. Man lives this kind of life not by human efforts but by the Holy Spirit. This does not mean that the Holy Spirit will do the work for the man, but will direct him on what to do.

The Holy Spirit is in the man to make him obey God but it is left for the man to agree or not. The
Holy Spirit is a seal that shows we belong to God, but we should not grieve the Holy Spirit by sinning, for Him not to leave us. Being saved from sin is only a preliquisite to becoming a child of God. You have to 'work out' your salvation- you either live a life that pleases God to maintain this salvation or you lose it even when you think you are still in the race.

Those whom Jesus will admit into heaven are not those who have been saved but keep on sinning, with the mindset that they are eternally saved. They are those who have been saved and live their lives pleasing to God.
Rom.6:1-2
1. What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin (go on sinning) that grace may abound?
2. Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it?
1 John 3:9 None of those who are children of God continues to sin, for God's very nature is in them; and because God is their Father, they cannot continue to sin. (GB)
The final salvation comes when you hold on to righteous living TILL THE END.

How can you maintain what you are not qualified to receive...

Explain this

Philippians 2:13 KJV
For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

Salvation is a gift and God is the one who preserves the saved.

1 John 3:9 KJV
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

What's your definition of sin? going by that definition can you truly say that you don't sin?
1 John 3:9 was speaking of the spirit.

John 3:5-6 KJV
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. [6] That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Its your regenerated spirit that becomes born again. Your spirit is saved ( eternally secured), your soul is being saved ( through continual renewal of the mind), the body is not yet saved, that is why the body still dies.

vfactor:
That statement is as simple as it is and even disprove your claims. A son of God do not "practice" sin. If he does continue in sin, then he is no longer a son of God. 1 John 2:1, acknowledges the fact that a son of God may sin. But we have a helper in Jesus. The main point here is making sin a practice, nailing Christ again as it were. For such persons Hebrew 6:4-6, says there's no repentenace.

Earlier a scripture in Romans 6:1 was quoted were Paul noted the possibility for people to take God's grace for granted and making a practice of sin. This is exactly what u re encouraging people to do. Granted as imperfect humans we may commit sin by error. But making a practice of it is unacceptable to God.

1Corinthians 5 explains what action the church should take against a christian who makes a practice of sin. In that account, a christian man was committing fornication with his father's wife, and Paul wrote that he should be removed from the church! If such a person is always saved, why was there a need to "hand him over to Satan". In verse 11 the christians were asked to not associate with anyone who is a christian but practice sin openly to the knowledge of everyone.

Such teachings as this only encourage a flagrant disregard for Gods standards without an effort to even try to keep it.

Grace never encourages people to sin, the law does. Grace teaches you to look unto Jesus not looking unto yourself or your efforts. As you keep looking unto Jesus you are transformed into His image.

vfactor:
Where there is not willingness on the part of a Christian to endure, God's grace cannot do much. Like Paul mention in Hebrews 6:4-6, such one takes Christ's ransom and impails Jesus again.

Is the grace of God dependent on your will?

1 John 3:9 KJV
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Explain that pls....

We are saved in the spirit, being saved in the mind and will be saved in the body....

Salvation is a gift, not o prize to be won.

vfactor:
So?

The ability to make choices and follow through isn't just ours, its God's grace..

vfactor:
So why did Jesus say that anyone who endures to the end will be saved? There wouldn't have been need for endurance on the part of christians. Endurance wouldn't be a christian virtue. Jesus and the apostle Paul knew if one does not remain in line with his believe in Jesus, he would lose eternal life. The illustration of the 10 virgins should tell u that.

He that endures till the end, the same shall be saved...by another token, can we argue our salvation is futuristic, or at best incomplete as of now? Cos we are yet to get to the end?

no mortal man will endure to the end by any thing human, strength, power or choice..
It takes the grace of God to get to the end.. with out the help of God no one will make it.. even Jesus prayed for the faith of Peter and He is still praying and helping our faith...

Peter made a decision to follow Christ to the end but ended up denying him thrice. Thats how limited our choices are if it stands alone. But Jesus had interceded for Peter.

My point is the ability to make choices and follow through isn't just ours, its God's grace..

2 Corinthians 5:17-21 KJV
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. [18] And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; [19] To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. [20] Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God. [21] For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

Vs 19... Not imputing their trespasses unto them

Vs 21. Christ was made sin for us...He paid the price for sin in full.
The righteousness of the believer is the righteousness of God in Christ. Man's righteousness can never be better than a filthy rag.

NumberOne2:
What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? - Romans 6:1-2

Salvation is NOT a license to sin, it is more like an insurance policy incase you sin. Having an insurance for accident doesnt mean you go around driving recklessly.

Apostle John said: IF we sin, not WHEN we sin. See the difference?
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: - 1 John 2:1

Dont get it twisted:
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. - 1 Corinthians 6:9-11

Hebrews 10:10 KJV
By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all .
Hebrews 10:14 KJV
For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

Sanctified and perfected for ever once and for all...

At salvation there is a switch; the righteous nature replaces the sinful nature.

sportsmaster:
You guys do not read in context.You just picked some verses and you built on it..
You still even failed the explanation of Rom6:1
Paul stated earlier "Where sin did abound(have dominion), Grace did much more abound(have dominion).
SIN or GRACE,which will exhaust each other"
it can take me 1-2 hours to explain all of these.
If i have enough time,i will explain the whole of 1cor6 for you within today-tomorrow..
If you interested beep me or otherwise i shd not waste my time..

we are interested

sportsmaster:
And as for OP, 3 scriptures is still not enough to explain eternal salvation.
One must have a precise and complete understanding of it.
OP you are correct,but you do need to explain in detail..

I know, just wanted to start the thread so that people like you will come out...

vfactor:
So why did Jesus say that anyone who endures to the end will be saved? There wouldn't have been need for endurance on the part of christians. Endurance wouldn't be a christian virtue. Jesus and the apostle Paul knew if one does not remain in line with his believe in Jesus, he would lose eternal life. The illustration of the 10 virgins should tell u that.

Its like saying my salvation is futuristic and dependent on me not on Christ's finished work... That means my believing in Jesus cannot guarantee my salvation... Definitely that's not what Jesus meant there...

vfactor:
Hebrews 6:4-6

4For as regards those who were once enlightened and who have tasted the heavenly free gift and who have become partakers of holy spirit 5 and who have tasted the fine word of God and powers of the coming system of things, 6 but have fallen away, it is impossible to revive them again to repentance, because they nail the Son of God to the stake again for themselves and expose him to public shame.

Mathew 24:13
But the one who has endured to the end will be saved

New Living Translation Hebrews 6:3 And so, God willing, we will move forward to further understanding.
4 For it is impossible to bring back to repentance those who were once enlightened—those who have experienced the good things of heaven and shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the power of the age to come— 6 and who then turn away from God. It is impossible to bring such people back to repentance; by rejecting the Son of God, they themselves are nailing him to the cross once again and holding him up to public shame.

7 When the ground soaks up the falling rain and bears a good crop for the farmer, it has God’s blessing. 8 But if a field bears thorns and thistles, it is useless. The farmer will soon condemn that field and burn it.

9 Dear friends, even though we are talking this way, we really don’t believe it applies to you. We are confident that you are meant for better things, things that come with salvation.

look at verse 9 well

I believe that every believer in Christ has Unconditional Eternal Security. i.e once saved always saved. A believer cannot go to hell because Christ paid the price for sin once and for all. As soon as a man believes in Christ, he is sealed with the Holy Spirit... Who or what can unseal such a seal...

Ephesians 1:13 KJV
In whom ye also trusted , after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Christ has fulfilled the law, so the law has lost its power. Therefore sin is no longer imputed to the believer...

Romans 5:13 KJV
(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

We have become the righteousness of God through Christ.
2 Corinthians 5:21 KJV
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

what is your stand...
Pls let's discuss with scriptural backing only...