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hammerF:
First u need to look at their language. They share too many words with igbos that mean literally, the samething spelt the same way.

i.e. Ugbo in Bini means Farm, the same word and spelling means the samething in igbo both in the west and the East.

osakwe''.in igbo literally means 'God Agree' and it means exactly the samething in Benin

Ogbe means quarters in Igbo, agains same word means exactly the samething in Benin.

etc.

There are certain sentence they make that incorporate both the yoruba and igbo words mixed together. The words refer to similar things but the bini use it to make a sentence.

i.e. their greeting of the Oba. i.e. Oba Atokpe Ise!! Ato in igbo means to be stuck. Kpe in yoruba means to be long. They use both words to wish their king a long reign.

The kingship and its origin and the similarities to its neighbours in the east is another aspect.

Their dressing and even their genetics will help to establish further facts.

The fact that your people share certain words with the Bini, does not mean that the Bini descended from Igbo. If they did, how come Igbo cultural influences did not survive or thrive among the Bini people? Also, the correct phrase is "Oba Ghato Kpere… Ise!" which is the traditional salutation reserved for the Oba of Benin. It means may the king live long! So where is 'ato' which means to be stuck in Igbo, inside all these?

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hammerF:
Guy! Some people believe that God dont exist despite all the evidence in their day to day life.

I believe their is a God.

Wat u choose to believe is upto u, but the evidence are there.

I will like to spend sometime in the Bini area and carry out studies on their language, religion, political systems and culture.

As well as in Ondo and Anioma. From the little that i can find online, all indication is that Bini are a mixed ethnic group between Igbos and Yorubas.

Where is the evidence that shows that "Bini are a mixed ethnic group between Igbos..?" Kindly post it here. Does it actually exist, or are you just going to find it? I can't buy into that theory... sorry! Anyway, good luck with your research. Until the evidence comes through, the jury is out on this one.

And the coward responded..!! It is okay. We know that the truth is a bitter pill, that you find really hard to swallow

Noblecx:
Really?!? LOL... You funny o...
Enjoy your foolery boy.

And you should enjoy your ignorance.

Ngozi123:
Did Buhari's inciting comments after his inauguration call for concern too? How about that Oba in Lagos' infamous 'Lagoon Speech'? Was that a cause for concern too?

That infamous Lagoon speech that the 37 Eze Nd'Igbo in attendance, applauded him for?

hammerF:
Benin just fell from the sky and landed inbetween two major tribes abi? u believe that one.

Listen, ever wondered y Ikwere have Igbo names but speak a distinct language mixed with igbo?

The fact they have igbo names is evident that they are Igbo people, but due to distance and inter-tribal marriages with Akwa Ibom clans, their language became corrupted.

Bini people were originally igbo that interacted heavily with yorubas. In fact they probably lived door to door with each other.

Unlike today, u guys speak English, they had to craft a language they can both understand. Inter-tribal marriage on a huge scale creates another distinct tribe. Do u agree with the bolded?

The Ikwerre bit is likely to be true, but to say "Bini people were originally igbo that interacted heavily with yorubas. In fact they probably lived door to door with each other," is fallacious. There just isn't enough empirical and archaeological evidence to show that 'Bini people were originally igbo'.

Noblecx:
This is outrageous @ the bolded... Hahaha.
Can you prove this?
Get a life man. No one will want to be like people who enslave themselves by themselves serving slaves enslaved by fulanis up north.

If I should identify you and qualify you. I will do so and categorize you under sub afonja category... . Seriously, you need to look into your life and stop playing second fiddle to slaves.

My 2 cents though

Why are you so obsessed about my life?? What does it have to do with you?? Let me guess... you secretly wish to be me, right? And since you mentioned slavery, the only slave I can see on this thread is you. You chant the word Afonja incessantly like a slave, and you keep following me around and trying to pin labels on me. I have made 6 posts on this thread so far, and you have responded to every single one of them, except one. What does that tell you? You secretly wish to be me, because you are jealous of me. Sorry, it won't work. Everyone can see that the reason you are doing all this, is just because you envy me. Get a life, man!!

hammerF:
I am not kidding.

My investigation and findings show that the aborigines of the area called Bini were Igbos. They interacted with yorubas and from that interaction the Bini dialect was formed.

Consequently, another migration down south began that established the Urhobo. The Urhobo are descendants of Bini that migrated South.

U will notice that the migration route of western Igbo was always west but soon faded as they approached Ondo. That area was inhabited by Yorubas.

Further the Esan migrated North from Bini. Wat am saying is that both Esan and Urhobo are Bini people but due to distance the way the language is spoken changed.


If ur finding this hard to believe, ask urself wat is the Isoko? The Isoko are basically a mixed group between the urhobo and Ijaw. Today they claim a distinct ethnic group status.


Wen u mix two linguistic group, another language is formed becos they need to find a new way to communicate and understand each other. They might even mix both their languages or establish new words for things.

Today yoruba and igbo marry and end up speaking English, now imagine if their was no English, wat do u think will happen?

Oh, I believe Urhobo, Esan etc., migrated from Benin or are descendants of the Bini people. But to say "Bini are direct descendants of western igbos mixed with yorubas from Ondo," ... nah, I can't buy that. I believe you are still joking on that score!

Noblecx:
Seriously, it's sickening seeing the way you live your life you promote and asslick afonjas boothole while your ethnic group is nowhere to be found today. No achievements, no recognition.
Why not stand out and make difference in your minority clan??
Mr. Afonja spokesman

Nah... all the asslicking of the Afonja butthole has been done, (and is still being done) strictly by you on this thread. If you have not mentioned their name in one day, things do NOT go well for you. You chant the word 'Afonja' in every single post, trying to get their attention. Yet, they have not given you a single prize for your efforts. How sad. But then, that is the way of the world, isn't it?

Those who seek the attention of the Afonjas as desperately as you do, hardly ever get it. My advice?? Try harder, I am sure that one day they would wake up and notice you. You also need to stop being a hater. It doesn't get you anywhere.

As for my minority clan, they are not complaining to you, are they? Your childish gibes cannot diminish them in any way. I cannot say the same for your people though, as they whine incessantly about everything on earth. The truth is, the way you are responding to every post I make on this thread shows you secretly envy me and you wish to be in my shoes. Can't help you with that though. Sorry...

Joavid:
wow @ bolded. I know body shop range of products infact I love them and they make one of my favorites perfumes and body butters.

It's inspiring, really! reminds me of African black soap. a Naija coy makes dudu osun black soap and it's good enough but I think it can be better.

I use raw black soap myself. and I intend to make a DIY black soap with a range of natural ingredients, cos honestly, black soap is the bomb!!

I like your contribution to this thread. many people saw it and waka-pass.

I wish I knew alot about the herbs, pharmacology and all that, I would probably go into myself. but I have no idea at all. It pains me o, when I see a problem and I can't solve it.

I know exactly how you feel. Today I wish I had understudied my maternal grandmum and all her sisters who were gurus in herbal product formulation, before they died. Instead, I was too busy playing ludo and scrabble to pay any attention to them. I remember when we were young. Anytime we had an upset stomach, due to too many cakes, candies and stuff, my grandmum would give us some herbal concoction made from honey, mint leaf, garlic and some other types of stuff. That thing worked like magic! I can testify to that!

As for the black soap thingy, yes you are right. It is a good product. But there are now a few other companies that produce black soap of very high quality in Nigeria.

At the last International Trade Fair Show held at Tafawa Balewa Square in Lagos in December 2016, I came across a lot of entrepreneurs who had invested in the manufacture and sale of beautifully packaged black soap in a variety of forms (i.e. liquid, solid, powdered form etc). But the problem is that like all other MSME firms, they did not have adequate access to capital and could not invest in the marketing and distribution of these products to create enough awareness that would boost patronage for their products. I even came across moringa soap makers at the fair.

Others had made Shea Butter creams mixed with a variety of local herbs. And they actually sold out their stock at the fair. There are pockets of people doing great stuff dotted around the country, but no single database on their locations, how to reach them and what they have done so far.

The logistics and supply chain problem within the country also hampers the effective sale and distribution of their products to a wider audience that would appreciate it. We have a population of over 15 -20 million in Lagos alone. Can you imagine how much you would make as an entrepreneur if you were able to sell 1 million soaps, monthly?

omojeesu:
No, Traditional Herbal Medicine is not dead. There are several educated and professional herbalists trained in Nigeria and abroad who work in Nigeria.

Ife has a BSc program in herbal medicine and many pharmacy departments in Nigerian universities have done and are doing lots of work in this direction. So are some private companies and charities. The WHO has programmes and projects. for traditional medicine. Some State Ministries of Health have Boards of Traditional Medicine in the country.

The problem is government's lack of seriousness and the resistance of for profit Big Pharma.

The problem with the educated, professional herbalists is that quite a number of their medications are NOT as effective as those made by our forbears, and they are also almost twice or thrice the cost of equivalent Western medication.

Trust me, I am a fan of herbal body products and I have been an advocate of buy Made-in-Naija long before it became a slogan.

As for the pharmacy depts in Nigerian universities, private companies and charities that have done and are doing lots of work in this direction, how come we rarely ever get to hear about what they have done and breakthroughs they have recorded?? How accessible is their work to the public and how many have benefited from it?

As for the State Ministries of Health which have Boards of Traditional Medicine, many of them are not doing anything, but pushing files around and pretending to liaise with researchers. What have they achieved??

pressplay411:
Nothing left to say.

Yep! That's my profile. Are you envious??

hammerF:
For ur information she is from Ogbaru.

The similarity of cultures between Bini and Nri is one that cannot be ignored.

U would think both these pictures were taken from one occasion.

Bini are direct descendants of western igbos mixed with yorubas from Ondo.

You said: "Bini are direct descendants of western igbos mixed with yorubas from Ondo." You are kidding, right? This must be the greatest joke of the century.

Noblecx:
You need to get a life outside bootlicking afonjas asses on NL.
Promote your own people boi.
It sucks real poo seeing the kind of life you live on NL.

Promote my own people, kwa? How does it affect you, if I promote my own people or not? Are you seeking for citizenship in my own clan, in case your proposed republic fails to materialise? With the way you chant Afonja like a toddler, I thought you would have turned to them for help, since you are the Afonja Attention Seeker 1 of NL. Anyway, let me know exactly what you want from my own people, so that I can know how to help you!

hammerF:
Wat is the difference between Bini, Esan and Ika?

Esan is a distinct group from Bini though descended from Bini, liek the urhobo.

The Bini descended from the Ika and Igbanke Igbo. Bini origin is in Nri.

ROTFLMAO!! Bini descended from what??! Biko, don't let anyone hear you repeating this abomination!! I am begging you, please...for your own good. Otherwise, that wedding you are dreaming of conducting with that fine Onitsha chic Ngozi123 will never happen.

pressplay411:
gdnite. appealing to any iota of sanity left in you has clearly failed.

Wow! You mean you have lost your sanity, too??! Wonders shall never end!

Noblecx:
The way you bootlick afonjas ass is just legendary. I guess it puts money in your pocket. Else you are a free for all afonja spokesman.

And the way you rant about them all over NL, is also legendary. You need them to give you attention, in order to feel normal. If you have not mentioned their name in one day, e be like say your market no go sell. How about this? Shall I ask them to give you the title of Afonja Attention Seeker 1 of Nairaland?

Noblecx:
What's up minority? I can see you are doing a great service to the afonjas.
A. K. A the chief afonja spokesman.

Here he comes .... chanting the word 'Afonja,' as if it puts money in his pocket. What happened? E be like say the Afonja people don cook something for you chop, abi?

pressplay411:
So sad. Can't your folks see all these symptoms of chronic compulsive comprehensive disorder? Go and sleep, you're beginning to embarrass embarrassment.

Oh dear!! Is "chronic compulsive comprehensive disorder" the name of the sickness you suffer from? Wow!

Those who studied history in school would realise that the story of Afonja being tossed around on NL, does not paint the full picture of who Afonja was or what he did.

Afonja was a fearless warlord who lived in the 19th Century. His traditional title was Aare Ona Kakanfo, (ask someone to translate this for you). He was a seasoned battlefield commander, a legendary warrior, a generalissimo under a traditional ruler known as the Alaafin Aole of old Oyo empire, in the south-western part of Nigeria.

He was marked for extermination by his traditional ruler, for declining to launch a military expedition against a neighbouring town. In order to protect himself from death, he sought to kill the ruler that was after his life, by invoking the 'Calabash verdict against the man. So that king Aole was forced to commit suicide. http://www.ilorin.info/fullnews.php? https://openaccess.leidenuniv.nl/bitstream/handle/1887/35802/02.pdf?sequence=12id=10472

Ilorin was a war camp headed by the Are-Ona Kakanfo Afonja; it had a large population of Hausa, Borgu and Nupe slaves who were principally in charge of the king's horses and cavalry. Afonja took cause with Awole when the latter had commanded him to attack Alaafin Abiodun's maternal home, Iwere-ile.

Afonja being bound by an oath and also desirous not to fall under a curse from a previous Alaafin made to the effect that any Aare Ona Kakanfo who attacked Iwere-Ile (his paternal home) was to die miserably; this order Afonja ignored. Further cause was also given in 1795 when Awole again asked Afonja to attack the market town of Apomu which was a part of Ile-Ife.

All Alaafins, due to the Yoruba belief that Ife was the spiritual home of the Yorubas, were made to swear an oath never to attack Ife. Afonja carried out Awole's order and sacked Apomu, but on the return of the army from Apom,u Afonja marched on the capital Oyo-Ile (which was a taboo), and demanded that Awole abdicate. Awole eventually committed ritual suicide. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oyo_Empire

However, Afonja died in the 1800s. The Alaafin Aole he got rid of, was actually reported to be a despot. So it would appear that he actually did the old Oyo people a favour, by helping to rid them of their despotic king.

What kind of person was Aole? The traditions say of him that he was a tall and handsome man, but that, on the whole, he was a terribly wrong choice for the throne of the Alaafin. The one important thing we know about him as a prince is that he was a long-distance trader who traded often from Oyo-Ile to the Apomu market (in the Ife kingdom) and to the Ijebu country.

One story about him at that time paints him as a very crooked person indeed. According to this story, he once hired a close friend of his to help lead his caravan of porters to Apomu. When they arrived at Apomu, he went secretly to some slave traders, and offered to sell his friend as a slave to them. The bargain was struck, Aole received payment, and the slave traders went and grabbed his friend and bound and gagged him for the journey through the Ijebu country to the coast where they would sell him to slave ships going to the Americas. But, fortunately for the poor man, Apomu police officials came to the scene, released him and went to arrest Aole. Aole was then brought before the Baale of Apomu, and the Baale had him seriously punished.

Many years later, Aole became the Alaafin in Oyo-Ile, and the first thing he decided to do was to send the Oyo army to go and destroy Apomu in order to punish the Baale in retaliation. Now, attacking a town in the Ife kingdom was a horrible thing to even think of – because of ancient Yoruba taboos prohibiting attack by any Yoruba kingdom on any part of the Ife kingdom. Horrified, the Oyo military chiefs led the army out in obedience, but they deliberately slowed down along the road, so as not to reach Apomu. Meanwhile the Bale of Apomu fled to the Ooni’s palace in Ile-Ife. A terrible crisis arose.

After a day or two in Ile-Ife, the Baale of Apomu had second thoughts. He decided that he would not bear the abominable responsibility of being the cause of war between Ife and Oyo-Ile. So he returned to Apomu, announced to his chiefs that he would end the crisis by committing suicide, and instructed them to take his head to Oyo-Ile to appease the Alaafin.

Aole was indeed appeased. But he had left a lot of his chiefs alarmed and dissatisfied. And even more than that, the chiefs quickly found that this man had no qualities of a king. He could not trust anybody or have any loyalty to anybody. He never did anything out of pure motives. He was always scheming and twisting things.

...... In every situation, he tried to use his sacred and ritual powers as Alaafin to intimidate those who did not immediately agree with him. Therefore he frequently brought out the ancient palace totems and used them to curse people even over minor issues.

Most Alaafins before him hardly ever touched those totems, but he used them often. His six years as Alaafin were filled with crises. At last his chiefs applied the traditional Yoruba remedy by asking him to go to sleep. That is when he brought out the totems one last time to curse his chiefs....He was no great king! It is therefore a sad irony of history that the Yoruba people have now glamourised the story of Aole. https://waidigbenro./2015/06/22/yoruba-leadership-and-the-aole-curse-by-victor-terhemba/

Unfortunately, Afonja got scammed by the itinerant Fulani teacher Alimi and realised his folly too late. Curiosity got the better of me, so I had to read up on this.

PedroJP:
No man's land. When it's time for its destruction, we will destroy it together. Simple truth.

Maybe right after your own ancestral homelands have been destroyed. Simple fact.

pressplay411:
I was going to ignore this but I'm drunk AF so WTF.

Your lack of clarity and sanity amplified by your absolute disregard for social etiquette is to blame for your loss. Not only are you a lost cause but I'm sure your folks invested a lot in sending you to school forgetting to educate you properly.
Your delusion of grandeur and pseudo superiority complex has got you navigating a bipolar disorder making you a public nuisance everywhere you go. Sadly you're surrounded by sycophants who continue to tender your autistic embers.

I really have to apologise to myself in the am for even indulging you and exchanging banter with an online man cub acting like he's getting it when you'll still go and queue in front of daddy just for allowance. But who am I to judge. Keep doing you, blame cheap cheat data.

Every single word in your post definitely describes you to a 'T'. So you lack clarity, social etiquette and are a lost cause? So your own folks spent money to send you to school, but forgot to educate you? Eeyah! now we can see where your problem lies. That is why you called an albino lady, a 'bleaching agent' in your last post. Obviously, it was due to your lack of education and sheer ignorance.

Finally, thanks for letting us know that you still queue in front of your dad for an allowance. Does he finance your drunkenness, too?

Joavid:
1. In reality, western medicines has done a lot of good, especially to us Africans but it's not enough to totally discard our traditional medicine....

If there was something I never took as a child, it was the white man's medicine.
I remember following my mum to an old woman's little wooden shop to get some herbs and barks when anyone of us got sick. After my mum would list out the symptoms to her, the old woman would smile and gather some herbs, or seeds, barks, hand it over to my mum with some instructions on how to brew it and the dosage. My mum would do as instructed and within a few days, the sickness is gone. She always had a tomtom handy to gift me with whenever I finished my dosage.
The old woman always complained about not having anyone committed who would learn from her.

What we see around today that is been paraded as herbal medicine is a mediocre to what it really is.(I mean, those bottled herbal gin) So it's important everyone understands that when we make reference to herbal medicines we are not talking about the bottled 'bitters' mixed with alcohol and packed in unappealing bottles. We are not talking about the ones hawked at the bus stops in various colours in transparent plastic bottles.

Thank you so very much for this post! My parents were advocates of Western medicine (probably due to their educational exposure), but my late maternal grandmother and her sisters, never believed in it. They had all kinds of herbal products that were effective in treating different kind of ailments. From dogonyaro leaves, to lemon grass, tree bark etc., each one had a specific function. Sadly, a lot of people of their generation are dying or have even have died with the intricate knowledge of these herbs, and taken a whole lot of valuable knowledge with them to the grave.

Other countries have tapped into the efficacy of herbal products, and some of their citizens have even built business empires in the health, beauty and skin care industry using these products.

Remember Body Shop in the UK? They harness the expertise and knowledge of small-scale farmers in different parts of the world to get the finest natural & herbal ingredients for their products. Anita Roddick the late founder of Body Shop obtained a $6,500 loan, contracted with a local herbalist to create her all-natural cosmetics, found a site in the seaside resort of Brighton, and opened her first Body Shop. By the end of 1992, there were more than 700 Body Shop stores generating $231 million in sales. She died a multi-millionaire.

We need to conduct more research into our herbal products, standardise them, evaluate its toxicity levels and remove them, conduct clinical trials on each one, before pushing them into the market for public consumption. That is where the future lies.

Candycrusher:
What is the joy in celebrating the birth of a child whose future remains unclear? The mothers of Anini, Shina Rambo and shekau would have saved the world by been barren instead of giving birth to criminals. Being barren is better than giving birth to armed robber

Are you saying that the child she gave birth to at the age of 40, will turn out to be like Anini, Shina Rambo, Shekau etc.,? This your comment & comparisons are rather unclear.

AfonjasMustDie:
Don't blame the FG

Buhari and his lovely clueless zombies are the only people to blame

No sir!! Arik Air is SOLELY to blame for their cluelessness on how to manage information and communication flow to their passengers and stakeholders. They always fail to provide adequate and timely information until the last minute, and often decline to give regular updates about any situation that affects their passengers.

A lot of international airlines across the world have encountered situations that led to delayed flights, outright cancellations etc. And many of them have managed such situations proactively and properly, without any fuss. Why does Arik Air have such poor communication skills & customer service??

seriousspy:
This is the classic example of "Taking the Piss". Arik is so unbelievably useless and they have the cheek to blame the passengers rather than apologise and compensate them? Smh...

dabossman:
Yes, you're right. But in times of crisis, companies must learn to innovate. Arik management has always been poor, that is why they are failing woefully at this time. A company that delays and cancels flights at a time when there is aviation fuel can never think outside the box when there is a scarcity of the same fuel simply because they don't care. Their attitude will always be "ehen, what do you want me to do? Turn myself to fuel?" Some airlines have been going to get aviation fuel from neighbouring countries.

Countryman1:
What stupid scarcity, when all other international airlines at the international terminal are flying
Na only them fuel dey scarce for, they are big debtors and thier suppliers have refused to supply them avaition fuel until they pay what is owed.
Instead make them close shop till its resolved, they will keep selling tickets and more people will be left stranded.
No customer service at all. They even deleted thier twitter handle when insults 2 much.
Worst airline ever.

I no know say you sef see am!! Before the so-called Customer Service Manager came out to address the passengers, those passengers must have been kept waiting for hours!! They must have asked so many questions and were frustrated out of their skull!

I do not support how they took the law into their own hands by attacking the manager, but honestly those Arik Air people know how to push intending passengers across the limits of tolerance!

And please tell them to stop wearing those long see-through dresses that lack a matching underskirt! Are they trying to flash their pun'ani or what?

martha89:
Ekpon is mixed with Esan and there is nothing like igbonization maybe in Delta.

Re-ea-ally?? Please tell us more!! So who are these people ascribing Igbo origins to the Esan people?

deloon:
Here to mark my attendance.
I have few posts because I only comment when absolutely necessary. If someone has commented an opinion similar to what I have in mind, i simply become an observer. Its not a competition.

Back then we didnt have the garri gang, the pishure or adonbilivit crew, front page activists, first to comment youngsters, the space bookers, the tribalists, the political fanatics and all other ridiculous groups/acts by people who seem to have so much time on their hands
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NL is a bit more crazy but it's all good regardless.

You forgot to add the "Those who gave a fvck gang," that recently sprouted from nowhere!

PurestBoy:
Class 07' here . . . I've missed some old buddies with matured and educating comments like Davidylan, Sagamite, yuzedo etc

And me!!

Why is superstar1 not on the list of legends?? He registered in 2006, I believe. What about Sagamite, yuzedo etc?

Fynestboi, Tosyne2much, Eleniyan15 , Berlyn Naijaboiy una don dey slack o!

pressplay411:
She needs to sue the cream company that fuvked her up like this.

BleacherAlert

Were you created so daft, or did you just acquire a degree in 'mumulogy??!' Did you even read the rest of the thread, where it was confirmed that she was an albino? And you still showed up to type this drivel? Anyway, na the person wey dash you keyboard & free MB, I go blame!

zendy:
Not my version, the Aburi agreement Gowon signed can be found on the internet. Ojukwu even insisted that the Aburi meeting be voice recorded.

Post the link to the copy of the Aburi agreement signed by Gowon, so we can read it and verify. This is the information age. We are waiting!