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NEW: A key Labour advisor has said those with long-term illnesses should be forced into work in order to "wean" Britain off the "easy solution" of immigration.

Alan Milburn, an ally of Wes Streeting, called for conditions to be imposed on sickness benefits.

(Via @TheTimes)

jedisco:
Aid goes beyond the desire to help and manytimes is used to achieve soft power, regime change and mostly brings more benefit to the giver than the receiver. There'd always be some focused, tokenised projects used as a wallpaper to sell it. Aid is like giving someone just enough to keep them alive and see you as their saviour but never enough to do anything useful. There is a reason why virtually no country in the global south has made any progress with aid received. Most are structured in a way to make looting them back to lending nations the end goal. American help to the Europe and Japan after the world wars was structured very differently. Caveat: this is not absolving developing nations of certain responsibilities.

Another question is to ask what happens when the West stop giving aid? Recipient nations begin to seek options elsewhere prompting the West to come running back. Good example are with recent Chinese loans which the EU and the US are now mimicking after years of criticising them.

A good example is the recent cocoa wars between West African nations and global beverage or chocolate companies. Despite rising prices of end goods, only a tiny sumof money in the sector (5% or less) of money in the sector got to the farmers and growing nations. Their governments had been pushing to raise the floor produce of the beans so farmers and local economies could benefit. Nestle e.t.c though being able to afford this were vehemently opposed to this. They instead opted to give aid and plaster the pictures of hapless African children over the Internet.
Most of our recent major infrastructure have been thanks to Chinese loans. Ask yourself how much the UK has done to support former colonies like Nigeria to achieve economy-changing infrastructure projects over the last few decades. Rather, it's about tokenised bits called aid.

P.s, the term 'third world' can be many times be considered derogatory. I'd rather global south.

In summary they are giving these aid to show their poor people that, look you are better than this people we are giving aids 🤣

Some politicians rhetoric is they give these aid so Africans can in turn buy what the west sells.

Still don’t make sense to me. If we don’t wake up as Africans we will continue be toss around by the west.

jedisco:
Hehe... the dynamics behind aid is far reaching. The US does not have universal healthcare but give billions in aid. China has its domestic challenges but do same. There's a reason for aid and it goes beyond the surface

Can you give a reason why these wealthy countries send billions of £ aids to third world nations, when they know the moneys will be looted.

jedisco:
I'm a GP

Make sense. What’s your take about banning of cigarettes

Lexusgs430:
Nah so o ...... You would almost feel like you're legally shoplifting......😜😁

Drastic measure needs to be taken to deal with shoplifters.

Lexusgs430:
I hope we're all ready for Keir's speech today, informing us of tax rises....... 😁😊

I always said, I remained hopeful, but not delusional about this regime change....... 😜

People wey no serious they send billions of £ in to sub Sahara Africa in aid but can afford to keep pensioners winter credit ongoing.

Trying so hard to prove to the world you are a wealthy nation while your elderly die in cold winter.

Will never make sense to me.

Gurus please recommend a good MacBook Air for me to buy. 🙏🏿

justwise:
This is the most gangster way of leaving a church, i did it quietly after telling few family members my reasons for stopping anything organised religious activity, they understood my reasons but still think i should keep attending church services.

Stockholm syndrome

ReesheesuKnack:
Actually, she has a couple of options:
a. Go to Kings Cross, take the Eurostar to France. Navigate to Calais. Get on a dinghy ⛵️ and return to Dover. Throw away her passport. Claim asylum.

b. Remain where she is. Identify as ABCQRT+++. Remind the authorities that she can’t go back to her home country because she will be killed or imprisoned (by virtue of her new-found real self. Done.
So, you see. She has lots of options.

PS: While typing this reply, I couldn’t find my taste organ. Just when I was about to click ‘submit’, I found the cheeky organ snugly hidden in a corner of my buccal cavity.

You need yoyo bitters to clear your taste bud 😂

jedisco:
Madam Zahra... not today.

It is not the first time you have accused me of abusing Brits. The last time I asked to show evidence, it was a game of dotted circles. So I would indulge you this time.

On the second bolded part, I have not come across anyone particularly not on this thread who has advocated an open door policy. So no need belabouring it.

The crux of the matter is that while repeatedly insulting our very intelligence on a Nigerian fora, you take good objection when the slightest non-favourable thing is said about Brits. I understand that a number of immigrating Africans sadly have esteem issues ingrained over the decades which is evident on this thread by a few folks who have described themselves as second-class humans, but ultimately, that characterisation of oneself can and does change with exposure and most importantly, doesn't include all.

My issue here is the absolute lack of responsibility by previous governments on immigration. They cannot purposefully ramp up migration, and then demonise us giving room to rifrafs to start throwing aspersions. If people are annoyed with migration, they should not take it on me-
They should blame their government who made the pathway available in the first place and told me on arrival that I am needed.
Same government who gave me 20k grant to take up a chosen pathway
Same government who allowed me work unlimited hours when covid hit
Same government who paid my visa fee on renewal plus my employer who advised I apply via the more expensive priority visa (as it would be refunded) so I can start early
Same government who when faced with the prospect of long health worker strikes went back again to relax the 20hr rule so migrants could support the NHS during striking periods.
Same government who when faced with the prospect of my colleagues leaving the country after training due to visa technicalities, had to practically remake the rules to allow them work freely for 4 months while making a choice
Same government who gave me the option of a 10k or 20k grant depending on the way I wanted to work after training
Or my employer who offered to help with my ILR cost if I stay with them.

While being grateful, it's disheartening to see the length the govt and employers go to retain the talent the British public need all for some rifrafs to cast aspersions. Good thing is that there are loads of vacancies in my sector for rioters willing to apply

Finally, on Reform, remember I said I hoped they win. Some lessons need to be learned twice.

Just curious. What is it you actually do ?

You can choose not to answer.

jedisco:
The archived page to circumvent the paywall: https://archive.is/qHCIB

I'd like to see how this tallies with those receiving benefits. The graphs are quite telling.
Obviously it's an economic issue - one exacerbated by the fact that a good chunk of these 9.5m demand pristine NHS and public services. I fully support this demand only that such well-oiled services need to be manned by people and they need to be funded by taxes. So ultimately good chunk of people have to work for us to have a functional society

Interesting quote- I wonder how it tallies with other data: Splitting that figure up by place of birth, UK-born people account for 833,000 of the increase, with 230,000 people born in other countries. That is to say, the overwhelming rise in worklessness has been driven by those born in the UK.

They integrated so well, don’t they?
😂

Question:
Can a dependant apply for IHS refund months after the MA has gotten his Tier 2 visa?

How does she go about it?

deept:
Low wages/salaries. Typically immigrants will accept lower wages for same job as Brit. Then there's the benefit system, why work when i can get it for free (for work shy able bodied folks). Laziness and entitlement. Lack of incentive for productivity.

This is why sometimes I just mind my African biz.

Lexusgs430:
Because they can abuse the benefit system...... At times, we need to commend African rulers for imbibing in its citizenry, that hustling/survival/hardworking mentality......... 😁🤣

Normally In Nigeria citizen no suppose dey work 😂

deept:
This by the BBC yesterday on immigration.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c77l41z8yn7o.amp

I appreciate the fact that the home secretary is staying on some decisions until relevant reviews are completed by appropriate bodies.

Speaking to the BBC's Radio 4 Today programme, she said: "If we had a domestic workforce willing to work then we wouldn’t need these international recruits."

Why are they not willing to work fgs?

Gerrard59:
I can see I have been identified as a troublemaker on this thread. But this post got my interest.

There is a difference between being British and English. You can be a British citizen, but it does not make you English. Ethnicity and nationality are two different concepts. Aside from African Americans because their case is different, it is always black people in the diaspora I see trying to dissociate themselves from where they originally come from based on their passports. We know why.
Chinese in the West are always quick to point out they are from Mainland China and here in Japan, they tell you they are ethnically Chinese even though they possess Japanese nationality and speak fluent Japanese.

If na our people, you for don hear say I am Japanese. But do you look Japanese?

Also in all of this happening, the agitators has never mention Chinese as immigrants they want to leave their country. It’s the usual brown and black skin countries they keep mentioning.

Meanwhile the Chinese arguably own more houses and investments in this country than any other ethnicity yet, they don’t scream we want our country back from them.

The reflection of your ethnicity is how people will treat you in the diaspora. Chinese advancement in technology has given respect to their citizen wherever they go.

If we don’t come together and make Africa great, thinking because we own ILR… one day they will ask you where you are really from?

missjekyll:
Lol.
The only indigenes here are the celts. Everyone else came here from somewhere including the Anglo-Saxons .

Yes,it's my country too. I ve earned the right to call it that and demand all the privileges that affords me with audacity. Anyone who tries to say otherwise and deprive me of those privileges ll meet me in court.

Don't be scared. It's your country too. Noone can act otherwise .

Just in passing: you weren't among the people saying Yoruba Ronu during the last election ,were you? because that was bs too

Na online you dey. You fit dey talk all you like to make yourself happy. When people wey get country ready, I go see whether you go ask dem if they are Celtics or rangers.

Na dem I blame sha wey open doors. If them no take time dem go collect country for them hand.

Most of the things dey tolerate can’t happen in other the so called Asian countries.

Make I mind my African and Nigerian business jejely.

hustla:
I remember being on this thread, ranting about how immigrants, especially legal immigrants like students are portrayed by the English media...

I also remember some people here defending their racist actions and portrayal of immigrants, same people who now would be afraid to go out due to the anti immigrant protests going on right now

I hope we can all see that no matter the spree spree English you speak with your nose and the government you defend cos you feel you're now part of them, you're still black and a bloody immigrant at the end of the day

Light n*gga, dark n*gga, faux n*gga, real n*gga
Rich n*gga, poor n*gga , house n*gga, field n*gga..
... Still n*gga

Welcome back from sabbatical leave.

missjekyll:
Isn't that what everyone voted for a month ago? Change? Did they need to turn to attempted murder and theft to make an additional point?

What did I do to deserve fearing for my life in my own country kwa? All plans for summer cancelled? Fear on my way to work? Contingency mapping routes of escape?Did I approve the billions wasted on Rwanda and housing asylum seekers? What is my part in this?

If I say that I ve filed your opinion in a bin now,people ll say I m rude.

I laugh at your own country. This are the things you lots say that pisses them off. You get British passport doesn’t make it your country. We all know who the natives are, you are just a British passport holder the indigenes know themselves.

ReesheesuKnack:
Very interesting debate going on here. So refreshing to read the views.

I still think the UK needs to be tough, very very tough on the issue of illegal migration and the issues of small boats crossings. The PM promised to ‘smash the gangs’ I hope he will smash the gangs much sooner rather than latter.

As a (legal) migrant myself, I find it outrageous and to be honest, appalling that any country in the world should follow the UK model.

a. You allow illegal migrants to get to your shores in small boats (the argument that some are genuine asylum seekers is for another day).

b. You spend £8,000,000:00 every SINGLE day on hotels for these arrivals. 2024 is a leap year. 366 days.
£8,000,000:00 x 366 = £2,928,000,000:00 per year (read: Two Billion, Nine Hundred and Twenty Eight Million Pound Sterlings) on ‘Migrant hotels’ ALONE.

c. You can’t train homegrown nurses. A& E units are full to the brim. You even take away winter allowance for your pensioners. You cry everyday about budget black holes. You tax the people. You increase taxes. You can’t lift the cap on 2-child benefits etc…


While what these rioters are doing in places is extremely abominable, I hope the UK govt will take immediate steps to solve some of the immediate/root cause(s) of the riots.


Full Disclosure: I 100% supported the defunct “Rwanda Scheme”.

The number of people who came in using dinghy is less than those of us that flew in. I still believe HO made a wrong prediction about the net migration.

Let’s not forget this people are the natives and they can tell if the demography has change in their eyes and they have the right to seek redress but, the way they went about it is flawed.

jedisco:
Not confirmed but if true, how has Japan fared since? Their population is dropping quickly but still their citizens are no better off today than 30yrs ago. They are increasingly looking outward and increasing migration. No one is arguing for unregulated migration here.

There is a reason the west has remained an economic powerhouse

Japan stock market is experiencing an all time low even nyse shares are dropping. I think there is more going on in the world we still don’t know about. Unrest in mid east , immigrants invading south uSA boarder and Europe, protest in Bangladesh and the jokes going on in Nigeria, Elon building space ship to start colony in mars.

We should all stay on the streets and look after ourselves, at the end of the day we are minority.

Zahra29:
Lol, you think?

Before the Tories clamped down on benefits fraud, I know of a number of Nigerians who had claimed more than one council property and were renting them out. Some were even renting them out room by room in London. Imagine the profit at tax payers expense. Many are still living in council homes that they are no longer eligible for or need, but free money is difficult to forego init. There are as many young black girls with children who rely on benefits and housing support as white Brits. Some deliberately have babies before they turn 18 or 21 as it's easier to get a council house and other "perks" at that age.

If immigrants had recourse to public funds, let's not pretend that they would not be claiming everything claimable, so it's not just a white Brits issue.

Bolded part is true especially in London. They copy most of it from white. I totally understand benefit for women with kids but those fit to work who simply decides not to is where I draw the line.

Plus I blame Dr who issue fit note to them.

Zahra29:
And these ones will be dealt with by the law as well. Hopefully there will be arrests on all sides as there have also been attacks and mob violence from the MDF in places like Bolton.

My point is that the underlying issues will not go away - unless they are addressed by the government, it's only a matter of time before the next protest or something worse happens.

I hope you also realise that that there are many black and ethnic people who don't work and who rely on benefits - aka benefits scroungers. Even the immigrants who are able to claim benefits do so happily e.g. Poles and Bulgarians. Some have become experts in scamming the benefits system. Not sure why the term benefits scroungers is reserved solely for white Brits lol.

The benefit is not the enough for them. They are now demanding for houses to be built plus the high cost of mortgage is not helping.

Black people on benefit are small compare to the Brits. What’s going can only be controlled for the time being but it will resurface in no distant time.

ehizario2012:
Wow, riots right here at Manvers, Holiday Inn, almost all its window glasses broken already. It is well.

This is why I keep advocating for a better Nigeria. If you think without ILR you are immune to certain things in a white man land, then you are on a long thing.

Make Nigeria great Again 😂

ReesheesuKnack:
A defining characteristic of far right people or far-left people is that they think anyone who is not in their far-camp is an ignoramus.

Enough said.

Why is the term far right and far left suddenly everywhere.

jedisco:
As I said, this can be a touchy subject. First, I have had struggles with my mental health needing to take time off work to sort it and I quite often advise people to take some time off and understand some who are burnt out might need extended periods off work to recover. I returned to work due to a number of reasons among which are- I would earn significantly more in work than out of work, I might have ended up having my contract terminated and possibly had to return back home and lastly, having longterm periods doing nothing would have had a debilitating effect on my mental health as is largely the case. My work is not easy and sometimes sees me working outdoors overnight in the thick of winter. I would much rather be sipping mojito on an islandic beach if I could.

Before blaming GPs, its important to understand the benefit system in the UK which is something many legal immigrants would largely be unaware of except they work in certain roles or after being here for a good period. In your words, why do you think some 'who doesn't need fit notes keep coming for them'? A specialist referral should be offered if indicated and appropriate irrespective of if one seeks a fit note or not. Not too long ago, GPs had to push back at hospitals for asking people who had been seen in hospital to present to their GP for a fit (sick) note. The DWP should ideally call in most people who have been offsick for a few months for an assessment. How often do they do that? Even the job centre sometimes advises people to present to their GP for a fit note (rightly sometimes). Lastly, a fit note does not mean you cannot work. You can be given a fit note for 6 weeks and decide to return back to work after a week if you feel you are able to.
You don't need a psychiatrist or a doctor to tell you you're not fit to work. You can self-certify for a week and a nurse, physio etc can extend that for a good period. What would interest you to know is that virtually no doctor all thru medical school and in specialty training (aside a few in occupational health perhaps) receive specific training in deciding who is fit to work or not.

You fail to understand that there is a societal aspect to the benefit system and that would not be solved by medicine. I keep asking if you've had any interaction with the benefit system in person. You can start by walking to an active council estate on a Monday morning and offering a bi-weekly psychiatrist appointments to folks with mental health concerns with aim to take away benefits and see how many knives you may leave with. The Tories floated the idea of offering therapy after a stint in place of benefits for those with mild-moderate mental health issues. Guess their response? They rightly said the government should not dictate when and how they recover. I have strongly argued for the social safety net in the West but knowledgeable enough to highlight its drawbacks when out of control.

I laugh at the government should not dictate how and when they recover. They always have excuses to give, the benefit system is a big black hole. I don’t blame them anyways in the land of plenty such is bound to happen.

What do i know? Make I jejely Face my Nigerian business

AgentXxx:
Lexus for Nigeria president 🙌🏾(As least we can be assured for a well managed and opportunistic economy)… Baba for the boys, I have downloaded it asap but this one it is looking like black market as you don’t know what you will be getting. Anyway to do this or any App that does it. Make say no to wastage no no end up being wasted as local man wey I be. 😂

Most of the food on there are expired or near rotten.

Who is following the Rachel Reeves and Tommy Robinson news.

Lexusgs430:
Are you already running scared.......😜🤣

How i go pay bills if dem hijack my shifts?

Lexusgs430:
Not a penny would be spared..... 🤣😂

Thank you, Auntie..... 😁

Let's also not forget, the biggest scrounges of the benefits system, is actually the British Royal Family.......🤣😂

The King is slashing royal cost i heard.

jedisco:
Lol... after blaming 14 years of Tory government and the NHS for not babysitting them, they ran to Labour not expecting this. Afterall, Kier Stammer had mocked Rishi at the idea of 'British fruit pickers'. One wonders who'd pick our fruits then.

All this while, the correlation between the number of folks on longterm sick and immigration has not stuck. The entitlement is mind boggling. A growing number want to be on benefits for a good chunk of their working life, make kids, get housed by the council, and in old age get prenuim care off other people's taxes.

Hope its not the shift immigrants are packing they want to force them to do

AgentXxx:
Congratulations bro…. Where there is a will, there is a way 🙌🏾

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