jedisco: Another is the cliché common in certain nations- 'we need high skilled immigrants not Bleep'. The entitlement with which its said leaves me wondering. Like immigrants are groceries on a shelf to select and pick from as need be. Who then retains the 'bad fruit'? Odd thing is that many nations brand themselves this way which manytimes flies in the face of what the do.
An economy needs the skills it lacks - be it in care, teaching, nursing, IT, masonry, drivers e.t.c I dont know of any nation that can easily absorb 1000 brain surgeons or astronauts.
P.S. this is not saying a nation should not target the skill they need but blaming poor economic outcomes on the 'quality' of immigrants they take reeks of an absurd entitlement and classism.
In a way the highly skilled worker they meant are our politicians that brings stolen funds into their economy to buy mansions and pay for their kids tuition from crèche to university.
missjekyll: Japan just released 3 immigration friendly visas. Did you know that? They ve accepted that to remain on the cutting edge,you need to let in the world.
I wouldn't advise it for any chocolate skinned person though. I hear the racism is madt.
Zahra29: I would say that governments like Italy, Hungary and the hopeful French contender, Le Pen, are right wing governments, but it's a subjective point in any case.
I do agree that this government has been too dependent for too long on cheap foreign labour. I've been saying that this model isn't sustainable, and I welcome Labour's pledge to prioritise training, mobilisation and retaining of the domestic workforce and hopefully stop the over-reliance on foreign labour. "Over reliance" being the operative word.
AgentXxx: So many suprises and I would wonder what the future of the Briton Next Generation is (Because he has many friends who are unemployed and would prefer the Universal credit and the twice a week Music Gig they get)😒
I enrolled him in a course that would let him use the Saas platforms we use in the organisation, My guy was asking me “does he have to do it?” 😂
The future is not looking bright from my lens. I pity Nigeria and other African nations. One day they might just put on their colonial 🎩 and decide to colonise us and we won’t be able to stop them.
AgentXxx: lol you guessed right. Young chap(25) been out of school for over three years, been collecting Universal credit and following a music passion where he gets 50£ for a gig that comes twice a month. First job and he seems not ready and prefers his unemployed life.
If na one of us Dey do this, na to carry am go for deliverance or ruqyah because he sure say na curse. 😂
Zahra29: Not really. It was when the ONS migration figures were released that the full scale of the levels of migration became apparent and the proverbial hit the fan.
Once again, how was the government making money from people who bought CoS and then had no jobs when they arrived in the UK and so could not pay any taxes? Unless the agencies gave the government a cut of their significant racketeering proceeds?
Zahra29: Erm do you remember when you were on the health visa thread many months ago, pleading advising people not to pay for sponsorship, citing its illegality etc and the amount of abuse you received? (I was afraid to step in and support you 😂). That is one of the ways thousands of people got in - buying CoS off the many sham agencies without even having a care job. Agents/main applicants also arranged for sham partners and dependants to be added to the applications and several thousand got in this way also. Even Sky did a report on this, the practice was common in the south Asian countries.
Boris' govt said they only expected about 40k migrants to come in via the route, in the end it was at least 5 times that amount due to the route being abused and the initial naivete and complacency of the govt (e.g not performing background checks on agencies before granting them sponsorship licenses). That's how the numbers got to where they are now and the strict policies and checks recently introduced which have led to many agencies losing their sponsorship licenses.
Were they not keeping track of the numbers of visa issued? The truth is they needed the money to stabilize their economy. They got the money but don't want the people Typical colonial tactics
AgentXxx: I informed my Manager from the start too (though informally during our 121) but I have been documenting it in a HR platform we use called Culture Amp after all of our weekly meetings but during last week meeting, another twist came in as he claims to have suffered depression and was on anti depressants for years and music is what makes him focus and he suffers mood swings which have left me clueless on how to handle his case. Mental health seems to be most excuse used in here. Wallahi, I don tire .
Let me guess, this fella is not one of us in Kendrick voice.
Zahra29: So every country that wants to control immigration is akin to Hitler? What about when Nigeria expelled the Ghanaians years ago because of fears they were taking all the jobs etc?
To the bolded, these are exactly the measures that the government has recently introduced. Students were not an issue (the Chinese have the highest proportion of students - over 300k - and they are highly valued especially as they have a reputation for attending the red bricks) until the number of dependants exploded and it became obvious what the game was. Same applies to care visas - wasn't an issue until all the fake cos and high number of dependants, some of them sham arrangements. Now that dependants in these groups have been banned, migration figures have already dropped and are forecast to fall significantly. Labour has pledged to stop NHS recruiting from red list countries such as Nigeria, Zimbabwe etc. That will effect another drop if it's implemented.
20, 10, 5 years ago, net migration was averaging 200k and that was regarded as too high. It's quite naive to think that the government and majority of the electorate would not be concerned/alarmed at recent net migration levels of 750k, especially when they estimated that a high proportion of these are "economically inactive".
Would like to see the numbers of illegal migrants.
abuhusna1: Family members would have to go back home if cos not from nhs. My friend just got his dependant visa rejected and that of his kids. Only the wife has visa sponsorship. The only mistake they made was not applying for post graduate visa before the wife switched.
What is happening - I find myself agreeing with you more often these days 🙈😂
Your comment is spot on. The reality is that the struggles and priorities of a recent immigrant are in most cases very different to that of a Brit, and this directs the type of jobs they do.
Sure, a number of Brits are work-shy, benefit scroungers etc. However many are just strategic about how and where they work. For example, it makes more financial sense for some to work part time than to pay for a child minder, after school club etc that ends up costing more than the extra hours worked. Others don't do overtime because the additional income tax erodes much of the gains made, so they instead prioritise spending time home with their family. Many won't work in care, warehouses etc because they see these jobs are too taxing especially when they can earn similar or more in a "sit down and drink lots of tea" type of job. It's not always about how hard you work, but how well/smart.
Not doing some of these jobs also gives them time to engage in jobs that require brain power.
Resurgent2016: It's not untrue generalisation. As you rightly mentioned, many of the client facing roles are brits dominated. They are typically less stressful than the backend roles, more flexible and there is a big advantage there being local
Backend roles requiring more grit, resilience and spine, the young brits are not much interested
An example - the average pay of train drivers in £60k, some even earning over £100k a year. Yet the train companies can't find enough young recruits to take up the role and the average age of train drivers is 50 years old.
Even if the train companies increase pay by 20%, I can bet you they will still struggle to find young brits willing to take the job.
You would hear them moan about the condition of the job as though those that did it years back had a better condition of service.
Even the junior doctors with average salary of 50K and two recent pay rise have stuck to a demand of 35% pay rise. Their more senior colleagues settled for what the government gave them and have moved on.
It's an inconvenient truth that the political parties would rather sweep under the carpet.
Salary is not the only the motivation to hire immigrants or people with immigrant background. Young brits are spoilt silly. and by immigrant, even people from other european countries tend to display more willingness to do the hard and dirty jobs than brits
Any business that has long and demanding role will go bust if they only can hire brits, I can bet that one
This is so accurate, the government can go ahead offer the best incentives ever, brits won’t do certain jobs. This is why doors are opened for immigrants to fill in those blanks.
ehizario2012: I get your drift, and I don't intend to overflog it. Care jobs might be physically demanding (debatable) but they definitely not more difficult than customer service/sales. The latter involves mental skills including relationship management, negotiation, some manipulation. It's a mentally demanding job, sometimes target driven and the pay should be significantly higher than care, but in a case where care pays more (with extra shifts) people tend to gravitate towards care. I've experienced both, so I know.
Why work in a target driven/pressured sales environment when you can work in care where there's no pressure and even earn more with some guaranteed extra shifts? This discussion is a topic on its own so let me stop here. I've seen care pays more than a good number of jobs here in the UK, it takes real passion and a strong thought for career growth to stick with a more demanding job...
Were you the one that shared some moons ago about your friends going arguing about if construction is better than care job 😂
Cyberknight: Lol, you had to go and spoil it by mentioning African kleptocrats who have stolen the country blind at all levels, a sore point for many a traumatised Nigerian on these threads.
Remember the "We are here because you were there" phrase the Sri Lankan chap wrote about summarising the phenomenon of reverse migration from the former colonies to the former colonisers? In my case, if any hypothetical racist on a hypothetical high streets asks me that question, my answer will be "We are here because they too [our presidents, governors, ministers and even local government chairpeople) are here".
Nigerian government on the other hand wrote to UK high commission complaining about the high migration of local talents into the UK.
They cant provide stop stealing public funds but they want citizens to stay back and wallow in poverty and poor infrastructures.
Again if your papa and mama follow among those wey dey spoil the country e no go better una generation.
ehizario2012: Infact, he's already being deflated from within. Grant Shapps is already conceding defeat in a way by saying labour shouldn't be given overwhelming power/majority. Secondly, Craig Williams gambled on election date!!! Is this not self implosion?? Plus Nigel Farage is out to erode Sunak personally, I don't understand the beef!
I personally want the conservative party to be a strong opposition, absolute powers is not good in a democracy.
This is just white folks showcasing their inner character.
Deep down they cant stand brown or black person leading them.
I f you look closely, Conservative party member deliberately wants Rishi out from number 10.
Zahra29: The tax in my post applies to non UK residents, for example a Chinese national living in China or the US who wants to buy up property in London should be subject to additional taxes compared to a UK resident. Some countries do this, some others ban foreigners from being able to buy property when the demand outstrips supply and causes a housing crisis, as is happening in some parts of the UK.
It's got nothing to do with UK BTL landlords.
If they are not careful Chinese will buys all their houses.
Chinko people have been able to manipulate the housing and many other sector of their economy.
toughest007: The passion you have for 'anything' UK is unrivalled! Typing volumes back to back!!! Hand no dey pain you? I get back from work and I am gassed out!!!
jedisco: People generally get too emotional about this immigration stuff. Immigration to the UK has never been about a lottery or diversity drive but largely about labour crunch and local need. The inability to formulate a longterm framework has led to these wide swings.
Every government has looked to reduce immigration for a while now. Guess what? Its easy. Just cap the number of sponsorship licenses to say 5000 a month and the annual cap becomes 60000. It can even be made 1000. Its that easy. The hard part is what does the government do when there are a lack of farm workers, drivers, care workers, health workers e.t.c? Do they allow growth to be restricted, wages/prices to shoot up/mandate local folks to take up these roles or do they look for the universal cheatcode (i.e immigration)? With all the abuse and surplus in the care sector, why is there still a care visa? Why can't a reasonable chunk of the 2.8m on longterm sick be supported to become carers. Can't a good chunk of those reading vague courses in Unis be shoehorned into healthcare roles so the UK doesn't need so many foreign nurses?
It is when the government faces the stark reality of these that they always turn to immigration - not out of want but need. The question is when next and what sector?
Are the 2.8 M truly sick or half of them disguise, again who are the dr diagnosing them and putting them on long term sick list. 🤔
LionInZion: Oh, that's awesome. Stories like this help inspire the I can do it mindset, why I advised the guy to expand his circle. I know a guy who started his career in UK with 40k salary and now making over 100k in the space of 4 years. I agree that you should have a rethink on that your planned 5 year dedication to your company. Deliver result, gather the necessary experience, dust your CV after a while and then move on, except of course, you're so happy with them and certain you won't get a better deal out there. I was once that dedicated type, but I've now learnt to watch out for myself.
corpershun: You are so right! Someone very dear and close to me called me yesterday to say they got a job offer of 80k£. He’s still in shock, he got tired of his current company after spending 18months and dusted his CV.
Me that wanted to dedicate 5years to my current company have been rethinking my decision. If not for the childcare flexibility my company gives.
Note: He came in June 2021 as dependent on student visa and worked in warehouse for 6months to find footing
Travel › Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by lavida001: 5:12am On Jun 30, 2024
Typical colonial tactics
