totit:
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Really? Do I look like I am one of those fellows you can fill with your imaginary wealth, am better than bla bla, and all these usual rubbish Really?

Yeah! Yeah!! I am dangote too.

What a story teller.

Mychew

You dont even have sense sef

The aim of my write up was to show you that Igbos are proud of the east and they show it by their actions in lagos not by their actions on NL. But as usual when agbo jedi don fill your brain plus ewedu in your diet, you lack focus and cant see a fact being clearly stated but just read the first 2 lines and still quoted and commented.

I no even send you sef, i want other neutral people to read my posts and see the igbo vs yoruba debate from another angle.

And while you are at it, if you are a christian, easter is coming up, plan to visit your home state wherever it is and show how proud you are of it
Or maybe you are from the mighty Victoria Island or Ikoyi, maybe thats your village but if that aint it, for once be proud of your heritage instead of forming attache by force.

Am sure my brothers will travel as usual from thursday to go and stay in their lovely lovely home. There is no place like home.

Strikethem:
Yes o, at least, they don't feast on it like one tribe from E........

And another tribe where their obas dont just feast on flesh but on the heart of the previous oba thats after burying an abobaku with the previous oba.

So sophisticated mehn, this is 22nd century stuff. Can only come from the WEST

totit:


Don't mind that kid.
I wonder why the whole alaigbo don't have state such as 'PHORT, kanu/kaduna,lagos et al like every other region all their yeye claims they develop everywhere. Those same people came up with a thread[b]Enugu the pride of the east[/b] but to my surprise they are still not proud of it. I only proved to the mofo that lagos isn't all that matters to us/SW economically but SW as whole hence why I showed the mofo ogun industrial strides.

He called me kid, nothing i wont see

I am almost 100% sure that am older and more accomplished than you but not time to argue too much since we cant prove anything online and am not interested in letting anyone know who i am.

You said we aint proud of enugu.

We are proud of the whole east including our villages.

Please go to Orlu in imo state or Alor in anambra state and try and price a plot of land there, these are small towns next to villages.

No igbo man there will sell any plot of land for anything less than 10 million and am even being conservative because i know lands in Orlu can go as high as 50 million(yes you heard me well).

These amounts i called are not the true economic values of the lands but they show how the igbo man values his lands. We dont sell our lands anyhow even in our villages, we keep hold of our cultural heritage instead of selling our lands for pittances to more than 2 people as your brothers do in the west.

Another thing, how do you enjoy driving in lagos during xmas period?
Am sure you love it, you can dash from berger to ajah in 30 mins, no traffic, no hassle. Well that is as a result of millions of people who are so ashamed of their lands that they cant wait to travel every year to go and show the shame they have for their lands . Even easter break, the shame just carries us out to the place we are ashamed of in droves.

We even send millions down just to erect buildings cause we are ashamed of our land over there. We also take time to ensure we get spouses from there just because we are ashamed.

While you guys that are so proud of your states are so proud that your pride just keeps you in lagos for decades and years without even going back home, the pride is so strong that you immediately discard your home and assume EKO as your new home.

My oh my i love this pride.
Can you do me a favor? keep that stinking pride outta my way, let me keep my shame and continue doing what am doing.

When nigeria seperates eh, you people will so suffer. Cause you are totally unprepared for it

Pigsandidiots:
Anything igbo support is color red like Jonathan, agbaje. You are really a color red. Wow, you mean you supported all those ones and we kicked against it and that is the end for you. Remember you want agbaje too and we also kicked against it. That should tell you how superior we are. Wow.

Yesso very very superior

Enjoy your land use charge from Ambode and all the new taxes he is bringing along now.

Jagaban is not smiling

Pigsandidiots:
See this odensi, calling someone tribalist. The one you are doing is patriotism. I said you are just plain stupid. Chukwudi, na envy go kill you and your fellow. Swine.

Mumu my name no be Chukwudi, Wasiu shey you dey hear

If you are anywhere, just try and sample the opinion of people on tribes and hygiene. If you tell them sey you be yoruba dem no go gree.

So just form sth else for 5 minutes and see whether they wont blow your mind and tell you how they perceive yorubas to be dirty.

You think am angry. Am calling you guys what you are and you people are ganging up to try and paint me in the light you want.

All the points i raised earlier totally flawed your general owoda thinking which is summarized as; Omo igbo comot from lagos since you dont want to show us the indigenes respect.

Till now you havent told me your state and am sure its not lagos.

Wasiu sey na envy go kill us.

Oga dont hype yourselves, an igbo man cant envy a yoruba man

You people are seen as lazy, uncouth, dirty and generally nothing admirable by igbos so where does the envy come from

You can say we despise you guys for your hypocritical and treacherous ways, thats a known fact that cant be argued but ENVY, hehehe in your dreams

You guys are not a threat to our existence but we share your living space with you guys

We feel the envy and resentment from you guys

Or is it your ladies you want to talk about.

Based on standards of beauty in africa, please which amongst igbo or yoruba ladies will envy each other.

We are playing you on your home soil and gaining influence and you cant even touch us back home.

I even feel its a bit unfair sef. I dey pity for una considering someone on this thread even said that Orile and environs are dominated by igbos, to add to that, you can also add Ajah, surulere, magodo and many other places. I personally feel that without we igbos knowing, we undermine you guys a lot and show your laziness so much. Its kind of how you feel bad for a little team being thrashed by a team like Barca and the likes.

So sorry my friend, but igbos dont envy you. Your men are lazy and your women lack elegance. The education you boast of is no longer an advantage, the gap has been fully bridged. The only thing you guys hang on to is the influence of the city of lagos which you now grudgingly share with so many igbos.

I don die oh, in say na ENVY
When you tell person sey you be omo igbo they automatically assume you have money, when a local populace mistakenly assume you to be rich always even when its not so, please who is more prone to envy?

Oga go and rest, you dont have any point again

I wont start posting pictures about investments coming into enugu and anambra and other SE states.

Others have done that job and am sure you have viewed such threads.

Continue enjoying selective info while no SW governor save Ambode can comfortably pay salaries of their staff.

Kwara is owing in years now,

Osuns payment is like shift work, Aregbe will be on for four months, then next four months he will be off. on and off like a security guard doing shifts

Oyo state the same thing, to even fund schools na wahala, still the governor is still looking for respect for constituted authority the same way you osun migrants are looking for respect in lagos like its your state of origin

Ondo the same owing of salaries

Maybe Ekiti is paying, i wouldnt know about that but am sure that Fayose earns at least 15% of his states revenue as salary and security vote while developing stomach infrastructure

You people should be grateful for the british citing lagos as their capital, that has been your only saving grace cause the rest of the SW is a glorified village with ritualists and cultists running rampant.

totit:


Each time I look at reality (not the long episode those delusional fellows are making up there) on ground I can't help but laugh

Who's exactly loosing,poor and growing economically.
I read that mofo long episode up there asking why yoruba from other state lives in Lagos I was like WTF

Thats because you are an idiot.

If you cant see the logic behind the question then no need going back and forth with you.

So you think its normal that the smallest state in the SW should house the largest population of SWners. If you guys are migrating in droves from SW hinterlands to lagos even as we speak now then why are you surprised that others are there?

Tribalistic fools

Strikethem:
Abi o, I asked him why other anambra state indigens are in awka, why other imo indigens are in owerri. The mumu no fit answer me. Just imagine a dumb question that a madman shouldn't ask. Tuesday, they cry Lagos is biniland, tomorrow, they wail it is no man's land. You will now be wondered where they belong. Such a confused tribe. And one will now wonder why nwazurike and nwosu called them foolish and lazy thinkers

See this idiot oh

Was your question ever hard to answer. Oya let me help your kindergarten brain. Imo indigenes are in anambra for business and the likes. Anambra indigenes go to Imo for similar things. And for those igbos that go to onitsha main market from any state, the reason is also valid for SSners to go to onitsha. So what is good for the goose is good for the gander.

Your tribe consists of the laziest and dirtiest things africa has ever seen.

Strikethem:
See wawa igbo, Owoda is better than using a child as collateral for 100naira debt. Better than selling ones child just to buy akpu. We have the news here, many.

Yea and am sure its also better than selling a human head for 4k like your kinsmen have been caught doing over and over again.

Strikethem:
See mumu, sebi all your legislature in alaigbo are up to 40million.

You cant even read sef. How does your question tally with what i said there?

Owoda, better go park to toll gate park. This is rush hour period, make you collect enough money so you go drink agbo jedi for night and tomorrow morning.

Strikethem:
I like playing with them here on nairaland. They want to die because of our land. It is a privilege

Mumu, who dash you land

If you never buy land, sorry you are still a tenant or living under a tenant.

Stop denying your state, why are you not claiming Osun where you are from?

Nobody is dragging state with you.

I have friends from lagos(indigenous people).People from Ikorodu, isheri, Epe etc

They are proud of their heritage, why are you attaching yourself to their heritage?

Be proud of your heritage and stop acting like an omonile.

Strikethem:
I like your dream

Hehehe

please dream yours.

In case math is hard for you, 2 generations would be like 60 to 80years

Close your eyes and imagine how lagos would like then politically and economically. Am sure nigeria wouldnt seperate by then cause you guys wont have the balls and for every year we spend together in this sh***ole, we get more and more of yours and you get nothing from ours. Think of that my friend.

Think of that igbo man making a bank transfer now to complete his acquisition of 2 plots of land in Ibeju-lekki or even Mowe, Ketu and every place you can imagine. Think of that igbo mother giving birth to twins now in a hospital on the mainland and think of what those twins will be in decades from now and consider that the igbo women giving birth in lagos are in their hundreds of thousands and they are growing their kids in lagos.

If a life with omo igbo is not nice for you then things are about to get a whole lot worse. Think abt the time frame from 1998 to 2017 and the numbers of non yorubas that have increased in those 19 years and think of how the next 19 years will be.

Pigsandidiots:
Baba, I am just watching how they are making themselves happy on nairaland while the real thing is happening here. Those of them that knows the truth will be watching the foolishness of their tribesmen and shaking head. They are on nairaland making themselves happy and liking their comments by themselves while the real thing going on. They make law in Lagos, all they do is coming to nairaland behind their keypad and rant. When you will expect them to go to the national assembly and protest. That one said 3 igbos representing in Lagos state house, he can't even mention their names . Even the one emeka that is there is just like figurehead. Let them be here making themselves happy and after go in and take their akpu while the main deal is done. Soon, another one will come out and open thread to cry again. We are enjoying it.

Oga whether its 3 or 1 or whatever figure doesnt matter. I will look for the report i saw showing the representatives and even if i dont find it , it doesnt change anything abt what i have said.

Please tell Ambode to hasten up his LUC, i was disappointed when he even reduced it, when the cost of living skyrockets, please remember not to complain.

Purehuman:


That's the stupidity of an average Yoruba man. You rule Lagos and I make money from Lagos. How does that pain me? What do I want to gain from ruling Lagos? I don't think any igbo man dreams of ruling it. What do you even say you control? The economic space we compete with in everything?

Guy, we are enjoying what you enjoy and we are suffering what you suffer in Lagos. So what's the difference?

Who dash am rule?

In reality, his tribesmen rule lagos why the others sit and loaf about.

Count the state governor and all his appointees, how may are they?

Plus their state assembly and all the local govt chairmen and councillors

Are they more than 2000 in number?

So a population of over 10 million yorubas will console themselves at night that a figure of less than 2000 yorubas lord over igbos and them in lagos meanwhile they milk the state dry through their different cronies.

What a pathetic life. The remaining 10 million or more yorubas will compete for everything with the non yorubas, some even work for igbos and live in their houses . Well as you said let them imagine they control the politics while we continue fighting for the economy and lets see who is better off

Strikethem:
See Omo una jumping over themselves. Yoruba law is just the beginning. Una just dey start. Make una dey here they give themselves hope on nairaland.

Yoruba law?

Why i like you guys is that you guys are like Bulls that hate the color red. You can kill a bull if you can deceive it with color red.

In this case, Igbo is color red and you guys are the bulls. Anything igbo supports is red for you guys but in your myopia you guys shoot yourselves in the foot doing that.

Igbo wanted biafra in 1967, you guys kicked against it, well now you have to deal with sharing your living space with them and they arent reducing in numbers.

Igbos wanted GEJ in 2015 and you kicked against it instead preferring anything over it, well right now most of you guys are fed uop of the country, the amount of people trying to escape to canada or USA is at an all time high. Recession plus currency mismangement has rendered many SW states insolvent and rendered your govts workers paupers, in short many are part time farmers now especially in Osun and Kwara.

IPOB came, a group that i personally detest for their methods, but you guys detested them for everything and celebrated their proscription, IPOB brought an opportunity to talk abt restructuring but you guys wanted it buried, just wait for buhari to win 2nd term and see what herdsmen will do to indigenous communities.

As for yoruba language law. Am just laughing because am sure the law will disenfranchise many yoruba admission applicants, how many yorubas are interested in crediting yoruba in waec( a language they are fluent in) . When more of your youths stay at home because of these requirements please know you brought it on yourself.

As for the LUC, am just laughing abt that one because ppl are already complaining, to spite your face, you guys cut your nose.

The law will eventually push a lot of you guys to ogun state because by the time the cost of living skyrockets, i wonder how your type will cope. So continue trying to stylishly push igbos out instead of coming out plain to fight for your own country. Any measure meted out to us will also be felt greatly or even more by you guys.

Enjoy one nigeria (a place where your destiny is intertwined with every other ethnic group including Igbos)

Purehuman:


They keep screaming oodua as if the old man left ile-ife before he died. The only people we should thank for this discovery are the British and the federal government. They made Lagos have the advantage, so since we still follow the economic pattern of the former, then nobody should complain.

Leave them let them be talking sh*t.

I dont have a problem with their oodua land as long as they dont sit on the fence.

They are too complacent, cowardly and lazy. They think sitting on the fence and waiting for things to materialize is wisdom.

In the creation of nigeria, Zik was pro nigeria(sth i blame him for), Sardauna was anti and later turned pro. Awo was sitting on the fence, he waited to see the stronger side so he could join. They never want to drive initiative because of fear.

When 1967 came, they clearly new seperation was right but supported the bigger side and hence made the easier decision. Today they are complaining of igbo migration, what did their fathers think in 1967? that we would be eating orji in the east throughout Nigerias existence while they cart away with every federal benefit.

Tinubu had been shouting restructuring since, immediately a pathway came to enjoy unitary govt, Tinubu and all his cronies suddenly think restructuring or a national conference is needless.

The other cr-etin on the other thread alcatraz was talking abt leaving the country and urging others to do so, now they have seen the country is going nowhere they now want the easy solution.

Imagine a sizeable percentage of an educated and so called cosmopolitan ethnic group following the hero of almajiris, in the north Buhari is worshipped by almajiris and sophisticated yorubas think the god of the almajiris is fit to be their god also, what a shame.

Lets enjoy one nigeria together. in 2 generations, lagos would be so cosmopolitan that the tribal identity would be so erased.

OnyeOGA:


chai!
Muslims wey dey shit and piss inside their house with po.

Every Yoruba Muslim wants to claim Lagosian.

Na that one dey vex me

The right thing dey should tell people that they feel disrespect lagos shld be sth like

"Guy respect the indigenes and the culture of the state, I am from Oyo state and i dont disrespect lagos"

But what you hear would be;

"Omo igbo, we go soon pursue una comot from lagos, una no get respect for una HOSTS, after we don accomodate una bla bla bla"

Please who made Wasiu from Osogbo my host, or tajudeen from Offa my host? Or how did Demola from Oye-Ekiti accomodate me pls?

Is he not in lagos to hustle like me? Why in no dey in village?

horsepower101:
A big applause to LiberaDeus. Guy you know how to explain and analyze things.

Thank you Nwafor,

I have been watching from the sidelines on how this people distort facts and think no one will stand to them.

Most of them are yoruba muslims who love Buhari, hate Jonathan, fear igbos, believe igbos should leave lagos for them and also savour the suffering of igbos.

OnyeOGA:

LiberaDeus it will never be well with you.
we Yoruba Muslims hereby give you a notice to quit for Insulting our Londom

lzaa no be small knockout o.

hehehehe

Tajudeen Ismail Kazeem Olawale

Have you not noticed that most mechanics in lagos na yoruba muslims. Those people fit kill you. Very dubious and dishonest people

Pigsandidiots:
Don't waste your precious time dragging with that guy. Like you said, let him go to any local government in any part of Yoruba land to tell them he's from there with his name. When igboman thinks he has opinion in yorubaland.

Oga last i checked. If igboman no get opinion, just try and buy any of the listed items below and see if an igboman would be involved in the whole value chain then tell yourself if he has an opinion or influence in yoruba land

- Electronic(TV, radios, speakers)
-Mobile phones
-Laptops
-Building materials
- Tiles
- Toiletries
-Roofing
-Cars
-Car spareparts (brakepads, engine oil, brake oil, brake discs, engines etc)
-laptop accesories
-Furniture
-Interior decorations
the list can go on to infinity

Just try and live for one month without utilizing an igbo man and tell me whether he is relevant or not.

FYI, there are 3 Igbo representing lagos in the state house of assembly. That my friend is enough influence for someone who you claim is irrelevant.

As for me, i dont want to be relevant to you, i just want to live and survive but unfortunately for me, i cant do that in lagos for years without being relevant to you. So think of the percentage of Igbos in lagos then think of the relevance they actually have

Pigsandidiots:
Mr chukwudi, you have been told to take your name to any part of Yorubaland to claim you are indegen. . Leave epistle alone and act . Chukwudi, an indegen of Ragos.

Oga unlike you that is a lazy loafer who might also double as an omonile or Owoda(something your tribesmen are experts in), i am fully proud of my state in the east.

I am not yoruba, my state of origin is not in the SW, my local govt on any form or ID or database is not in the SW. I am fully ok with that as long as nigeria still utilizes state of origin.

I am a proud igbo man. I have lived in enugu,abuja, lagos and portharcourt and i currently live in lagos. I respect those towns for what they have added to my life but i know my roots.

I am not fighting for enugu with enugu indigenes against so called intruders. I am not claiming owerri or any other eastern state that i might have been in. I realize my cultural affinity to all eastern states and even some south south states but i didnt originate from there.

Even if enugu today becomes like dubai and Aba becomes like tokyo, i will only be proud of their achievements as SEners the same way i would be proud of any state even in the SW that develops itself. But my self respect and pride as a human being wont allow me spend almost 4 hours of my morning trying to show immigrants in that neighboring state that they are to respect me since i am indigene(even though i am not).

I will not be caught fighting and defending another mans heritage out of shamelessness and laziness.

Your mindset is like that of an omonile who is nothing but a no-good lowlifer who wants to attach himself to any semblance of greatness close to him and even tax people for that but would never think of his own greatness. You are like someone who keeps yapping abt how so so and so celebrity is from his LGA - and so f***in what?

You come from a state with no viable industry or markets, a state with mostly civil servants, a state with poor and ugly city architecture, with poor hygiene, with high level of ritual murder, cultism etc and you want to attach yourself to lagos and claim indigene and even brag abt how you can get away with it in any LGA office. If you like get away with it, you still know that at most you are just a SWner not an indigene of lagos and i am a nigerian fro the SE even though i live in the SW. I am fully content with that.

If you want more than what you are entitled to then try and support a secessionist movement like OPC or sth. But if you lack the courage and cant imagine life with the risk and possibility of no owambe next weekend then sit at home, enjoy your life and dont forget to buy sth from the igbo man selling down your street.

Strikethem:
Why are the influx of igbo in Lagos, a Yoruba land. Why am I even arguing with this one. Even your leaders already said you are a lazy thinkers and foolish. Which reasonable people will ask such a stupid question. Like I said, go and ask South Africans why they are many in juhanesbourg instead of other cities in their country. Gush, I now see the reason why nwazurike and nwosu said what they said.

You are still very foolish and myopic.

To answer your question. There is a high influx of Igbos into lagos because lagos provides opportunities like no other nigerian state does. Investment opportunities due to being the former FCT, billions of dollars of federal infrastructure and the likes. That is the same reason there is a disproportionate number of yorubas living in lagos than in Osogbo.

As for the claim about leaders; Let me tell you an igbo saying that goes like

Igbo enweghi eze - meaning Igbos have no king

Who the hell is Uwazuruike? Someone fighting for relevance against nnamdi kanu, if you combine the massob and IPOB loyalists together, it still doesnt make up to 15% of the whole eastern population and am even being generous.

Who the hell is ABC Nwosu? An accomplished minister? We have tons of them. if Okonjo-Iweala was to speak now you would claim our leader has spoken or if Ojo Maduekwe was to speak you would also claim he is a leader.

No my friend, those people are just succesful people with right to an opinion and believe you me we have tons of them in the east so we arent fazed by such comments.

Unlike the SW where Tinubu personally handed over 40% of yoruba votes to Buhari in 2015 from a mere 5% in 2011. Tinubu can boast of having lagos in his pocket and even some neigboring states, Saraki can do the same for Kwara.

Please tell me how many Igbos can hoodwink a whole state and be eternal godfathers like Tinubu and Saraki do in the west.

And for your south african comment, i will try and ask a south african friend of mine why the population of Johannesburg is so much compared to some other towns. I am sure they will happily indulge me in the history of economic development of Johannesburg and also try to explain the reasons behind the migratory preferences of south africans. Simple question and simple answer. Not dilly dallying and beating around the bush like you guys.

Because you know that if you can actually look at the migratory pattern of yorubas to lagos then you will see that its just not cultural affinity that caused it but a search for greener pastures in the most economically viable state(thanks to FG) in the nation. If we are migrants to lagos then you are migrants just like us, just that you came a few decades earlier and some of us came earlier than you.

Strikethem:
[s][/s]And who ask you not to live in any part of Nigeria, even as an African, you can live in any part of Africa, so also in the world, you can live in any part of the world but does that make you the citizen of the nation. oya carry your name as an igbo and go to any local government in Lagos and tell them you are from Lagos and let them see your name. Let see if they will not see you as mad man. If I carry my name as Yoruba to any part of Yoruba land and tell them I am from there, they will only ask me some few questions, my name already qualify me for any further things. Even in your own local government, if you go there to claim you are from the state, your name will determine what next to do. Let one haruna carry his himself to any part of igboland to claim origin of the particular place and see what his name will do for him. Your name speaks volume of you. Staying in any part will never qualify you for indigen, every Yoruba in Lagos can say they are from Lagos, every Yoruba in ogun can say they are from there. There are family in ondo that bears Tinubu, if he's in Lagos, he will get the state of origin, unlike you from far away igboland. Open your brain boy and think. My brother's kid have both Ibadan local government identification, as well as his state of origin own. Tomorrow, he can go to Lagos and do the same. His name wins it for him. Not the he bears okechukwu and want to claim any part of yorubaland because he lives there. Know the difference. Oga, how many of us did you see telling you he's not from his state? My question is, do an igboman has any option than to say he's from his state here in Lagos? Even if you deny, your name will expose you. Let that stick into your skull. Yes, oodua still part of Nigeria, even if Nigeria divides today and the oodua stands, you still have right to live in any part. But like I said, your name disqualifies you completely. Chukwudi, you cannot tell me you are from Lagos. Mind that.

Oga when you write pls leave spaces so that your paragraphs can be very legible.

I never claimed am from lagos or any igbo man wants to claim lagos.

Your name logic only shows that with some advantages you can hoodwink people or get some benefits.

Am talking abt the reality here not what appears to be reality.

You do not tell me to leave lagos or to respect you in lagos when you are not indigenous to lagos. You dont say that.

Most of the omoniles in lagos are not from there, but the fact that they tax and sell lands to people does it make it right.

I am talking abt what is right and fair not what can be easily done.

And just because you bear the same name doesnt mean you are from there.
You have a state of origin and an LGA that is not in Lagos, because you have the language and name advantage doesnt mean you have the moral right to tell me what to do in lagos.

People that are unsuspecting in lagos might buy into that general yoruba propaganda but am not buying it. I will respect the indigenes and the customs of lagos but you do not deserve an iota of respect or deference from me because you are of the same tribe as them or bear the same name and can speak the same language. And even the indigenes cannot tell the residents to evacuate unless they make it an independent country.

So dont feel insulted or touchy over lagos, its part of nigeria and its a state with local govts and wards and you are not originally from it just as over 95% of the residents are not from it.

I pity the indigenous lagosians cause none of them have ever ruled that state in this nigerian dispensation.

And your name logic can also be likened to this scenario;
You go to a south american country lets say Colombia and you dont understand the language neither do you have the local names the people bear on any of your documents, it doesnt mean a Rodriguez or Enrique from neighboring Bolivia has the right to intimidate you, he has the cultural advantage but if you are naive you would miss the fact that the bolivian is also an immigrant.

Summary; Until Oodua republic becomes a real thing, until those within that region have the spine to fight for what they truly desire, me and you are all visitors to lagos state and can make it our home but not our place of origin

You freethinkers are very patient walahi

What is all these

Over 4 pages of twisting in circles and mental gymnastics and dishonesty.

Religion is a curse and a disease

Pigsandidiots:
Bla, bla, bla. Many ondo people are living in ekiti, many ekiti are living in ondo, many Osun people are living in ogun, many ogun are living in oyo. No igboman claim Lagos you say, I laugh in Swahili, I can't count how many people bearing emeka, Chigozie but trying to claim Lagos. Even on facebook, you will see your brothers claiming Lagos as state of origin. I have not seen Yorubas that will not tell you where he's from, even those that has not been to their states before knows where they come from. Why did Anthony Joshua telling us he's from ogun and not Lagos, but he has every right to say he's from Lagos. You say igbo man will tell you his village, before nko, will he claim lagos before, where will he say he gets his name from, does someone bearing chukwudi has any back up to say he is from lagos, a yoruba land. Are you ok. Do you expect someone that bears adamu to come to any yoruba state to claim any of them even if he can speak the language. So how can someone bearing kunle living in enugu claim enugu and not tell where he is from. Does he has any other option. Oga, open yor brain and reason like humans.

Oga go and rest, you are reasoning as daftly as your brothers on this thread.

If you argue with a fool, they will bring you down to your level of stupidity and beat you with experience.
The fact that all you Swners here couldnt see the reason behind my question and see the logic behind it actually speaks volumes.

You people cant see the logic in the question thats why you attack the question as simplistic. It just shows the level of clannish and myopic reasoning you people display

Of course i know lagos is yoruba land and in the SW but you foolish people still didnt try to answer why it has a disproportionate number of yorubas living there compared to other places. Forget the non yorubas in SW, think about the yorubas there and ask yourself this,

What are the reasons for the influx into lagos over the past decades ? Why lagos over abeokuta and others?

When you answer that question to yourself then tell me why the answer shouldnt be valid for Nupes, Ebiras, Edos, Bini, Igalas, Igbos, Jukun, Tivs, Hausas, Ijaws, Urhobos and every ethnic group in nigeria migrating to lagos.

Strikethem:
[s][/s]You write too much epistle. I thought you are intelligent until you asked a very dumb question that a madman that his brain has been damaged must not ask. You do not need to be, I am not from Lagos but I am from oodua land, I mean yorubaland of which Lagos is a bona-fide part. I can live in any part of Yoruba land. Are all your people living in Owerri are from owerri? Are all your people living in awka from awka? Are all your people living in enugu from enugu? Are all South African living in juhanesbourg from juhanesbourg? Are you this daft to be asking such a Mumu question. Tell me how you want to defend yourself in front of nwazurike that you are not foolish as he said with this kind question a mad man must not ask. Even in your state where you come from, do they give you all you have for free?

You just helped me answer the question and display your foolishness.

As you said "i am not from lagos but i can live in any part of yorubaland"

I will also tell you " i am not from lagos but i can live in any part of nigeria"

Most importantly i wont forget my heritage and be claiming attache to lagos because its in nigeria unlike you who doesnt care abt your state but wants to forcefully force his ancestry into lagos

I am also not from owerri but i can live in owerri and i dont have to be claiming owerri as mine when i see hausas or yorubas there. Evry nigerian has the right to live peacefully there and thrive. It will be foolish of me to be reminding every nigerian in owerri that this is igboland and my land also. If i claim to be advanced then i wont be forcing clannish attachments just because i want to have an advantage over somebody.

The questions you asked abt people living in enugu being from enugu just buttresses my point.
There are anambrarians in enugu and other nigerian nationals there, so whats the fuss about. Why should an anambrarian be fighting a yoruba man in enugu and telling him to respect his land when he is from anambra. Is it not shamelessness that will make you forcefully attach your identity to a place that had serious federal investment.

A person with dignity will live the arguments for indigenes and face his own home state of origin and think abt how that place can compete with others. Not you guys that have totally forgotten that you are from Osun, Oyo , Ekiti etc.

You better start dealing with the fact that we are all in this country together and if you like draw an imaginary line in your head to demarcate oodualand in order to feel you have sth special, if you cant fight for your independence and be free from nigeria, then oodua land still remains part of nigeria and i am a bonafide nigerian citizen who can live and do business anywhere as long as am willing to aide peacefully and pay for everything.

Strikethem:
Very laughable my brother. I have never seen such a dumb question that a kindergarten student must not ask before. Why Yorubas are in Lagos hehehehehe.

You are an idiot. Comprehension is your problem. You read at face value and cant see between the lines.

You couldnt see that the question was asking why the number of yorubas in lagos in comparison to other SW cities is very high.

Because you cant see the meaning, you cant see the potential answer and the implication of that answer.

Strikethem:
Which kind question is this for God sake. Even a kindergarten student will slap you for this kind question. Are you this daft? Asking the owners of a land why they are many there. Why don't you go and ask South Africans why they are so many in juhanesbourg, why don't you go and ask Indians why they are so many in Mumbai, why not ask Italians why they are many in Milan or Germans why they are many in Munich. So what nwazurike said about you people is very apt, so also nwosu.

You are so foolish.

Me asking that question is like asking italians why the population of milan is higher than that of genoa or calabria. And believe you me, without being defensive, they can give technical reasons stating influences like economic, infrasructural, political etc as to why those cities have higher populations. And using italy as an example, most of the people living in Milan most likely do not have ancestry that can be traced there to m0re than 300 years.

The same goes for any country. There is a reason why new york has a higher population than new jersey or Los angeles has a higher population than nevada. But your myopic mind cant see the reason behind the question.

The technical reasons that has caused most yorubas from other states in the SW to migrate down to lagos also holds for other citizens of the country. So dont act surprised that igbos and other ethnicities are in lagos.

I am almost 100% sure that you are not a lagosian by ancestry. Why are you all so ashamed of your states? No igbo will forget where he is from. We know our states, we travel there frequently, we build houses there and we are proud of them even if we utilize other opportunities presented by our country at large. For the mere fact that you see it as a taboo that people leave their regions to come to yours shows that at heart you yorubas do not believe in nigeria. You want to eat your cake and have it. You claim to support one nigeria but you dont want one nigerian migration. You expect the largest seaport to be in your region but you dont expect the largest importers to be there.

I can almost bet that you are not from Lagos as over 90% of yorubas in lagos are not from lagos originally. Being cheap, many of them have shelved their original identity to form Omo eko.

I repeat again, you are not the owner of any land you do not have documentation for. You are only emotionally attaching yourself there because the indigenous people of lagos are also yorubas. You are not the owner or co-owner of lagos or any thing there unless you pay for it. Get that into your head.

LaudableXX:


Your opening statement shows that you are bent on being mischievous. Lagos state has Yoruba origins, as well as an indigenous Yoruba population. Yes or No? The answer you give, will reveal if you are a cretin, or a practical objective observer.

Secondly, Yorubas were already indigenous to Lagos, right from pre-colonial times before the seaports, airports etc., were built. Yorubas already existed in Lagos, with some of their kith and kin spread across different areas, who came across to join them. Go back and read up the history of Lagos and its environs, as well as the different indigenous Yoruba groups (e.g. Aworis etc) that make up the state. So what is the issue? How can you even ask why Yorubas are in Lagos? It is laughable. It is like asking how can Igbos be in Onitsha or Aba?

Calabar was also once a federal capital. Even Lokoja was once the capital of the British Northern Nigeria Protectorate, and later became a centre of administration, for the British colonial government after the amalgamation. What is the population of Igbo people in Lokoja, compared to their population in Lagos?

Lagos Island was only the federal capital, and NOT the whole of Lagos state. Areas like Ikeja, Palmgrove, Ilupeju were parts of the old Western Region. Yet it did not stop your people from migrating into that part of the old Western region. Lagos stopped being a federal capital 27 years ago, but your Igbo people still keep flocking into Lagos every single day, till date. So stop trying to use that excuse of 'federal capital.' Your people also trooped into Port-harcourt en masse. Port-harcourt was not a federal capital, even though it had an international seaport, an international airport as well as lots of infrastructure invested in it.

While going up and down, your people keep claiming their SE region is economically viable. But why would anyone leave an economically viable region? And if you claim that they migrate because they want new opportunities, are you admitting that there is a lack of opportunities for your people in the SE region? It then becomes a paradox. How can an economically viable region, lack opportunities?

Laziness is really not a reason for lack of migration. And you need to stop thinking that 'buying and selling,' is the only type of business or hard work, that exists. There are people who invent things and solve problems that cause them to earn millions, without leaving their zones.

If there is enough prosperity in the SE region, how come your people still end up leaving that 'prosperity,' and going to other regions to seek opportunities? Again, can a truly prosperous area, lack opportunities? And are these new opportunities your people seek, totally absent from their region, or is your region of prosperity and potentials devoid of opportunities, that can make your people truly successful? You really need to stop contradicting yourself....

You still cant get the meaning of the opening question. No one argues that yorubas are indigenous to lagos, same with Ilorin and Ado Ekiti. Why dont these places have the same population as lagos. You yorubas migrated in droves in the 60s down to the present time to lagos to join other indigenous yorubas in lagos. So please tell me why the migration occurred, is it because you guys just wanted to be at the coast line or just felt like migrating?
You migrated because of opportunities created by the former FCT, why are you surprised that others joined you? In Abuja here, there are hundreds of thousands if not millions of yorubas here, why did they migrate here, why arent they in Kebbi state?

Cant you see that migratory patterns can be defined by the amount of federal investment in a place, i can bet you that if lagos was never the federal capital and it was always abuja or somewhere else that you yorubas would still flock there in droves.

Why arent you in your LGA, why dont you reside there?so millions of you can seek greener pasture in a federal capital and you think others shouldnt follow suit. Because lagos is in the SW, you guys now want to make it look like you have everything you always needed at home and you are so affluent that you dont need migration, if that is the case why didnt you stay back in your state and LGA?

I know you might be the typical yoruba that has never travelled out of the SW, so let me explain some facts for you
Yorubas are numerous in Abuja
Yorubas are numerous in Kaduna
Yorubas are numerous in Akwa Ibom
Yorubas are numerous in Warri
Yorubas are also in Benin
Yorubas are also in Kano
Yorubas drive taxis across the federation, also engage in crafts like automobile repairs and welding etc

If yorubas can do all the aforementioned across the federation, how much more igbos who have these skills and are also blessed with a business acumen and a culture that passes it down from generation to generation. I can confidently tell you that yorubas are in every state of the federation and igbos have a greater reason to be in those states and to have greater numbers because businesses by their nature involve expansion to new boundaries.

As you talked about buying and selling, i laughed because Igbos are into all sorts of businesses. The indigenous manufacturers of aba never ever have to step out of their boundaries, people patronize them by going there. The manufacturers of nnewi never have to step out of their boundaries, Innoson started in nnewi and his manufacturing plant is till cited there, same with Ibeto and other nnewi manufacturers.

Tell me the form of business we aint into; real estate, manufacturing, retail, importation, ICT, services etc. Just think of one industry that igbos dont have representatives in
And even your logic of innovation from one place will still involve expansion, am in the ICT industry and i know what am saying.

If you use Mark Zuckerberg as an example, i will ask you sth, doesnt facebook have an international presence? are there no facebook offices and datacenters in europe?
Doesnt microsoft have an international presence like facebook and even google and every major tech giant. Why dont you tell Uber to stay in germany and not expand to africa since germany should have everything. Am sure with your own logic, Uber left germany because germany is not viable. You cant see how foolish and contradictory that is, you cant just accept the fact that once a market has been conquered that the next thing is to find others.

How dare you now tell your fellow country man not to move about in his own country when yorubas are everywhere doing petty trade and crafts then igbos shouldnt carry their businesses and crafts elsewhere.

As for you claims about Lokoja and calabar, Lagos enjoyed more investments than those places, and those places were capitals of either Northern or southern nigeria protectorate. Lagos was nigerias first capital and nigeria as a united entity generated more revenue than the 2 protectorates combined.

Your question about my people leaving that region is pointless.
I have explained the concepts of market saturation and you dont still grasp it. I can tell you that there is prosperity in the SE but that can never be enough for the teeming number of youths and their ambitions. The people in the SE will not and have never been satisfied with just being salary earners and menial workers(not that we dont have those).

Thats why a crisis of non salary payment from SE state govs do not cripple our economy. Osun states crisis sent most people back to the farm, i can personally tell you that the lack of salary payment in kwara has turned the economic outlook there very sour.

Seasterners will never put themselves in that position. Every wise nigerian youth should know that entreprenurship is the key out of poverty, we understand that and we exploit that fact to our advantage thats why we spread and thats why newcomers into eastern markets are encouraged to look for less saturated markets outside the east and even the country. This fact doesnt mean that there isnt prosperity in the SE, it actually means the opposite.

LaudableXX:


Go and do your research. Lagos is a city with Yoruba origins. Those of us who do not come from the Southwest, already know that. Try not to ask kindergarten questions next time......it is obvious you are just being mischievous or downright silly.

You just jumped to answer without thinking deeply abt the question.

Let me draw a clear rough estimate of city populations

Why arent the yorubas concentrated in Ibadan? Why arent there 13 million yorubas living in Ilorin or Oshogbo or Ado-Ekiti?

Let me help you answer.

You guys concentrate in lagos because of the opportunities made available by;
- International deep seaport
-Federal capital status
-Billions of dollars in infrastructure invested in Lagos etc

Now get this into your head. If you guys can flock to Lagos in droves in this Federal Republic of Nigeria to take advantage of opportunities even though lagos is not your state of origin then there is no reason why Igbos or any other tribe wont do the same.

I asked you that question so you would ponder on the reason why some cities attract more investment and population than others but you didnt see the idea behind it and you were talking of lagos having yoruba origins. Doesnt Ilorin have yoruba origins or oshogbo and every other SW city. Why dont they boast of yoruba populations numbering above 10 million like lagos does.

Also for your claims of igbos not prospering without moving out, let me clear the points you raised there.
There is enough prosperity in the east in Onitsha, Aba , nnewi, Enugu etc. Without federal investment, billionaires of eastern origin have been groomed by the aforementioned towns and success still goes on there. If you had an inkling of understanding about business then you would know that business people always move to areas of lower investment saturation in their markets in order to expand new frontiers in their businesses.
Igbos even sell in south sudan and somalia, only a novice would think this is as a result of poverty back home. A lazy man wouldnt understand why a person would want to explore a business opportunity for selling electronics in South sudan, the lazy person would think you must be running from home but if only he would think then he would see and understand that markets do get saturated and moving to far flung areas is never a thing of shame but of adventure and expansion.

Igbos move to lagos because of the federal infrastructure and opportunities there and they do that like most nigerians do. Igbos also move to maidugiri and even the most underdeveloped LGAs in nigeria because they see things that other non business savvy individuals will never see there even the locals and with this business acumen, they continually exploit the full potentials of the SE, if the potential of the east is expanded by federal investment then igbos would take advantage of that.

LaudableXX:


Sadly everyone can see that you are the one that is not making sense, on this thread. Go back and read up on the the build up, to the civil war. Your Oxford trained bearded general declared secession, seized federal govt assets in the Southeast, and refused to rescind his decision, even after a police action was declared to bring him back into line.

Several emissaries at home and abroad tried to get him to see reason, but he refused. He knew that his region lacked ammunition, men and materials to go to war, yet he refused to back down and this decision cost his people 3 million souls. After he declared secession, was he expecting the rest of the country to applaud him and give him a send off party, especially when he had seized federal govt assets in the SE region?

Secondly, what strange "factors of production located in a particular region through the handy work of the federal government over the years," are you talking about? Is it the sea port? Isn't there a seaport close to the SE region, like the Port-harcourt seaport? Port-harcourt seaport has been in operation long before the colonial masters left. Not too far from there is Onne sea port, which was established closer to the SE. In fact, Onne sea port which covers an area of 2,538.115 hectares was also added, several years ago. Are you talking about an airport? Hasn't there been an international airport in Port-harcourt for several years? Akanu Ibiam International Airport in Enugu also started receiving international flights a few years back.

The federal capital was moved from Lagos to Abuja in 1991, more than 27 years ago, but your people have not stopped trooping into Lagos till today. And that bring us back to the same question. Why can't they stay in their region and make a success of their endeavours?

If your region was so economically viable, with an active business environment like you said, and active construction or building projects, why do your young people still troop into other regions daily, trying to eke out a living? is it that they cannot take advantage of the economic viability in the SE region?

Nobody is disputing the fact that igbos are not found in other parts of the country, but the question still remains: Why? They can be found in areas that are not even economically viable, in different parts of this nation. So if your region is as fantastic and as economically viable as you claim, what is chasing them out of the place? Now, why would anyone leave a commercially vibrant region for a non-viable one?

Last but not the least, I never said that there was nobody in the Southeast. Try not to confuse me with someone else. Nobody has said that "there is any state in Nigeria apart from Southwest that the Yorubas are more active than the Igbos," so only goodness knows where you got that ideology from. Please try to think clearly before rushing to hit your keyboard next time. May God grant you understanding....

Please permit me to ask a question

Why are there so many yorubas in lagos compared to other SW cities like Osogbo, Ado-Ekiti , Ilorin etc? A very large percentage of the yoruba populace is resident in lagos, please why Lagos in the southwest? Why not Ilorin or Abeokuta? Am not saying that those places dont have strong yoruba populations but why does Lagos attract the most number of yorubas?

resurgentxtian4:


Forget about my dislike for your tribe(millions of Nigerians don’t like igbos too) and face the topic.

Make we face the collective threat facing our religion.

Even your bible says " In Christ, there is no jew, scythian, greek cause Christ is in all and all in Christ"

He wont forget the dislike you have for his tribe because your dislike has always led you guys to not see the big picture.

And as for many nigerians not liking our tribe, thats ok. As you said, the muslims are coming down south and we are in this together